I think I may be getting interference from the priest's wireless mic during the ceremony. I have my Sennheiser G2 100 series UHF (A 518-554 MHz) placed on the groom. I've done 4 weddings so far so I'm a newbie. Here's how they went:

# 1: No interference, not sure if priest had his wireless turned on during vows or not.

# 2: No interference, priest did not have a mic

# 3: Interference, priest did have wireless mic on

# 4: Interference, priest did have wireless mic on

It isn't consistent. It just sounds like very loud static for a brief second every now and then. However, it is really distracting when I have to use that audio during the vows. I was able to minimize it as much as I could in post, but you can still kinda hear it.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what I need to do to fix the problem? Thanks!

Try having a secondary mic placed either on the groom or minister. I run into this sometimes with my Senn G2 as well. One option you have with a secondary mic is to dub that in over the interferance, and with some tweaking it the difference in mics would be acceptable.

Interference is a weird thing.

When you had the interference problem did this happen in the same church both times?
First you want to do a sound check (if possible) with the other wireless systems on to make sure you're not going to get interference-if you do hear anything like static then you need to change your freq. Having said that I can honestly say in all the years and all the weddings I've done I have never had interference from a churches wireless system. MOST not all but most of them seem to run a VHF system which will automatically put their freqs way down below yours. However there is of course the possiblity that they are running a decent UHF on a freq close to yours therefore possibly causing the problem.
However the more like suspect is 1) cell phones which when they hunt for their network which they all do when turned on they can couse a static type noise on your wireless or 2) blackberrys-they are in my opinion the worst. They cause more havoc than cell phones when they hunt for their network.

So the answer is 1) do a sound check with ALL the wireless systems on or at least check the freq of the churches wireless-many times the freq range is labeled on the back of the transmitter and 2) make sure YOUR cell phone is OFF. There's not much you can do about anyone elses.
Not much help but I've got a feeling that you're getting the noise from a source other than the wireless of the officiant.
Oh yeah, one other thing it COULD be is when the priest moves he's getting a clothing rub that your hearing. Most of them just throw the mic on their robe somewhere and don't pay attention to the nois they can make when the cloth rubs against the mic.
Don

When you had the interference problem did this happen in the same church both times?

No.

First you want to do a sound check (if possible) with the other wireless systems on to make sure you're not going to get interference-if you do hear anything like static then you need to change your freq.

I did a sound check for # 3 but I guess it wasn't good enough. Like I said, the interference is kinda sporadic. For the other jobs I didn't have enough time.

Try having a secondary mic placed either on the groom or minister.

This isn't an option for me right now.

Not much help but I've got a feeling that you're getting the noise from a source other than the wireless of the officiant.

Well that stinks. I have a wedding tomorrow so we'll see what happens. It's in a catholic church so most likely the priest will have a wireless. I'll make sure I do a good sound check and then hope for the best.

Thanks for your comments!!

It sounds to me like it could be some sort of dropout, or loose connection. Usually when I get interference from another wireless mic, it's immediate and continuous.

Check all your connections. (lav to transmitter, etc.) Be sure to use new batteries. (not re-chargeables)

Also, try putting your wireless on the groom instead of the priest. That way you can place it like you want it, and there'll be no robes to rub against it. You can hear the vows better anyway, but if you don't have another mic, you'll loose the priest when he moves away from the couple. Better yet would be to use 2 or more mics, mixed, and monitored.

I hope I've been helpful. Let us know how tomorrow turns out! BTW, you might also try an iRiver placed near the front as a back-up system.

Good luck!

Mark

Andrea,

You are likely experienceing interference aka. "hits" imo. I have three pairs of the same system as you along with a couple Lectrosonics diversity systems that are rock solid by the way......night and day difference from the Sennys!

My senny's have experienced the same thing you are describing every now and then. You can go to Sennheisers website to print out the open freq's for your city area, etc. This print out table shows what radio, tv stations, etc. are in the area of a given city along with the freqs they are using. It is a very good idea to know this, and change your freqs accordingly. Let's say I am shooting in LA and using my sennys on Sat, then on Sun I am shooting two hours away in San Diego, chances are....I will need to change the freq, or run a chance of being close to someone who is one my freq.....but you can research this by the freq table at Sennheisers website.

Ever since I got the Lectrosonics UCR-401, I have never experienced a single sound issue.

Also, I know tyou said an "extra" wireless mic is not an option right now, BUT....if you are selling your services to anyone.....a secondary is a MUST and not an option. You really need this back up, and it could also be a device such as an iRiver.

You should never count on one single piece of gear.....back up(redundancy) is a must imo.

Here's my take on your current issue.....do the steps to check the freqs that are in use for your area via sennheiser,
ALWAYS check the freqs that the church is using, or dj, etc. Get a back up system no matter what and use it. WIth one single sound source.....you, me or anyone.....will experience hits, or problems at some point or another.....this is where the back up system will help if not save the day.

Also, call out for a member named "Douglas Spotted Eagle"....he is very very knowledgable about audio stuff....
GL, Joe

Andrea, first thing you should always do when you are setting up in a new venue and using a wireless is do a room sweep (not just a sound check).

What you want to do is make sure all wirelss transmitter are turned on (except yours). Then just turn on your wireless reciver only and look at the frequency light on your reciever.
If it is flashing or on, then chage to a different frequency as that one is being used. Once you find one that isn't in use (shouldn't take too long), you will be good to go.

Also it's good to have a backup audio plan always, as things like this can happen. Trust me it happens to us all.

A small digital recorder or mini disk either with a lav on the groom or officiant (double mic them with wireless and recorder) or tap into the PA sound system for a tapped feed.

Wow, Joe, I looked up that mic online and it looks very nice. The problem? Everywhere I checked it lists for more than $2,000! I think that's a bit out of her price range, lol. I know it's out of mine.

My suggestion is to get a digital voice recorder (like an iRiver, I use Olympus systems). They are going to cost you less than a 2nd UHF system, and although the sound quality won't be as good, you will NEVER have issues with interference because the systems do not have to transmit/receive a signal.

I used to use wireless mics, and I got so sick and tired of random static that I decided to just go with DVR's. I haven't regretted the switch once, but I would like to upgrade at some point to DVR's with better sound quality.

Wow, Joe, I looked up that mic online and it looks very nice. The problem? Everywhere I checked it lists for more than $2,000! I think that's a bit out of her price range, lol. I know it's out of mine.

My suggestion is to get a digital voice recorder (like an iRiver, I use Olympus systems). They are going to cost you less than a 2nd UHF system, and although the sound quality won't be as good, you will NEVER have issues with interference because the systems do not have to transmit/receive a signal.

I used to use wireless mics, and I got so sick and tired of random static that I decided to just go with DVR's. I haven't regretted the switch once, but I would like to upgrade at some point to DVR's with better sound quality.


Hey Trav., yeah....the Lectrosonics are up there in price but they are worth every penny, really. The thing I don't like about dvr's is the lack of monitoring you can do with them. I like monitoring every ounce of audio that is coming in.

I do have an iRiver as part of my audio gear too, but rarely use it yet. I have heard good things about the iRivers though.

Cheers- Joe

Thanks everyone for the tips and advice!! It's disconcerting that other Senny owners have this same issue. I do have an iRiver that I was planning on placing inconspicuously somewhere on the altar, probably the lectern so I make sure I get good audio of the ceremony music and readers. Should I make better use of this 2nd audio source and place it on the priest? Priests always seem to have their own agenda so I never planned on having to mic them and deal with them. Do you find that they are generally accommodating to your request to mic them?

Using your tips and tricks, I plan on getting to the church super early tomorrow to try and work out these issues with the Senny. Hopefully I won't have any problems. Thanks again everyone! I'll let you know how it goes.

Joe, I agree that it's nice to be able to monitor your audio, but I haven't had a single issue with my unmonitored DVR's in the past 2 years and so far this year. Well, I had an issue ONCE. I forgot to replace the batteries in one of them with new batteries, so it stopped recording mid-ceremony. I could have done the same thing with a wireless system, though. Can't stop the ceremony to change batteries, lol.

The other thing I like about DVR's is that it actually frees up my cameras to record their own audio, so with a 3 camera shooot and 2 DVR's I get 5 sound sources from every ceremony. Good stuff.


Andrea, as far as mic'ing officiants, I don't really ask. I just nicely tell the officiant (at the rehearsal) that the following day I will be placing a mic on them and the groom so I can get good audio. The only times I've gotten resistance is when they are worried about my system interferring with the church system. That's where DVR's come in so handy, because I can then assure them that it's impossible for my system to interfere because it doesn't transmit.

Good luck with your next shoot!

Joe, I agree that it's nice to be able to monitor your audio, but I haven't had a single issue with my unmonitored DVR's in the past 2 years and so far this year. Well, I had an issue ONCE. I forgot to replace the batteries in one of them with new batteries, so it stopped recording mid-ceremony. I could have done the same thing with a wireless system, though. Can't stop the ceremony to change batteries, lol.

The other thing I like about DVR's is that it actually frees up my cameras to record their own audio, so with a 3 camera shooot and 2 DVR's I get 5 sound sources from every ceremony. Good stuff.


Andrea, as far as mic'ing officiants, I don't really ask. I just nicely tell the officiant (at the rehearsal) that the following day I will be placing a mic on them and the groom so I can get good audio. The only times I've gotten resistance is when they are worried about my system interferring with the church system. That's where DVR's come in so handy, because I can then assure them that it's impossible for my system to interfere because it doesn't transmit.

Good luck with your next shoot!


Trav, thats good to hear about the iRivers....I like the devices....just yet to use them. One of the cool things about the Lectrosonics unit I have is that is dispalys the battery levels for both transmitter and receiver on the digital receiver unit, this is sweet.

I think the DVR's are an great low cost way of having back up audio gear.....True Diversity wireless systems are the only way I want to go from now on.

Audio in my opinion is the most challenging part of shooting live "unstaged" events such as weddings....atleast to get really good stuff. No matter how well it has went in the past, I treat everyone with great care and attention....it's easy to lax about it when it has worked well for so long, but when you least expect it......audio problems can occur, and this is where the back ups save the day.

Joe, just to clarify, I use Olympus DVR's. I've never used an iRiver.

I think I may be getting interference from the priest's wireless mic during the ceremony. I have my Sennheiser G2 100 series UHF (A 518-554 MHz) placed on the groom. I've done 4 weddings so far so I'm a newbie. Here's how they went:

# 1: No interference, not sure if priest had his wireless turned on during vows or not.

# 2: No interference, priest did not have a mic

# 3: Interference, priest did have wireless mic on

# 4: Interference, priest did have wireless mic on

It isn't consistent. It just sounds like very loud static for a brief second every now and then. However, it is really distracting when I have to use that audio during the vows. I was able to minimize it as much as I could in post, but you can still kinda hear it.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what I need to do to fix the problem? Thanks!

Intermittent static on a wireless mic system is a momentary loss of signal from transmitter to receiver. The result is static. Work backwards. Physical cable connections are the weak link in any system. They are, first and foremost, potential failure points.

Based upon your examples, I would first examine the priest's mic.

With the system on, stress all of the cables. Start with the mic to transmitter. Then move to the receiver to what? ...camera? Sound System? While stressing the cables, i.e., bending and twisting, you get static, replace the cables.

Next, play with the squelch/mute adjustment on the wireless system. Squelch/mute is essentially narrowing the broadcast bandwidth a transmitter or receiver will tolerate. Most wireless systems place this control on the receiver, but some systems allow transmitter strength as an adjustable option. Caution! Narrowing reception bandwidth reduces physical distance between transmitter and receiver.

Third, do an internet search to see if there are any high power transmissions in the local area that could overwhelm the extremely limited transmission power of the wireless mic system your were using. Visit the website of the manufacturer of the system you are examining. There is usually a table in the support section of that website that will identify the high power transmitters in your local area that could overwhelm your systems's weak signal. Most of the time these high power transmitters will be TV stations. It used to be only VHF systems were affected. HD TV transmissions will have significantly greater impacts upon UHF systems as HD broadcasts become more common.

These are the most important issues to troubleshoot. There are others, ranging from the start-up whine of heating/air-conditioning electric motors to cell phone communications that COULD be causing the problem. The farther one gets down the troubleshooting line the more variable the issues become because wireless means without wires, which also means being vulnerable to a host of sometimes bizarre reasoning to arrive at a logical conclusion. Hard wired is always best, and almost always impractical.

Audio has smaller file sizes compared to video, and thus appears to be easier. Nothing could be further from reality.

As convoluted as all of my comments may appear, trust that once you have gone through the trouble shooting process, subsequent issues will be so, so simple to resolve.

I sincerely hope my comments have been of help.

"It just sounds like very loud static for a brief second every now and then."

"It sounds to me like it could be some sort of dropout,"

Sounds like a dropout to me. You could be moving through dead spots. I think they are created by radio waves phase cancelling after bouncing off something. I am not a radio engineer, but that is the gist of the explanation I read. Move the receiver a bit. Of course, it could also be little burst transmissions from things like cell phones. Always make sure your cell phone is off during an event; maybe leave it in the car.

"Does anyone know what might be going on and what I need to do to fix the problem?"

Change channels, get a backup DVR, start saving for a Lectrosonics system.

"Ever since I got the Lectrosonics UCR-401, I have never experienced a single sound issue."

I have a Lectrosonics 100 series multi-channel that is in the $1200 range. It has been flawless. I was bitten bad by an audio problem and have never regretted spending the money on the Lectrosonics. Half of video production is audio. If you spent $3000 on a camera it is not crazy to spend $1200 on a microphone. Audio is important. If this is a persistent problem, start saving your pennies. The Sennheiser are considered decent systems, but they aren't the very best. At least a backup iRiver in the groom's pocket would help and only cost about $100. Backup systems are a great idea and you will probably be very happy with a great Lectrosonics system. They retain value and are practically bulletproof in their operation and physical construction.

"HD TV transmissions will have significantly greater impacts upon UHF systems as HD broadcasts become more common."

I doubt there will be many more HD channels over broadcast introduced. The big networks have put up transmitters, but I doubt it is cost effective for every single channel to put up their own tower all across the country. At Lectrosonics site there is a freq. table for transmissions relating to their frequency "blocks".

http://www.lectrosonics.com/cgi-bin/tv_form.pl

Thanks again everyone for your help! I listened throughout the ceremony and didn't hear any of this interference yesterday, so unless this issue shows up in post for some odd reason, all went well. Here's what I did:

- made sure I had fresh, non-rechargeable batteries
- checked the room by turning on my receiver and then the priests transmitter and got nothing
- checked the Senn. website for the open channels in my area and made sure I was in one of them
- made sure cell phone was off
- placed mic on groom early and listened and sounded great
- also, when placing on groom, I left the mic wire hanging out of his inner-jacket pocket instead of shoved inside. I have the wire folded up and twist-y-tied but before I was just putting it all in his pocket. I read in the manual that the wire shouldn't be crossed with the antennae and maybe that was happening when it was all inside the grooms pocket.

So I'm not really sure where my issue lies, but all was good last night.

It sounds to me like it could be some sort of dropout, or loose connection. Usually when I get interference from another wireless mic, it's immediate and continuous. Check all your connections. With the system on, stress all of the cables. Start with the mic to transmitter. Then move to the receiver to what? ...camera? Sound System? While stressing the cables, i.e., bending and twisting, you get static, replace the cables.

I thought of this too and tested that a few weeks ago and got nothing. By the way, I have the mic plugged straight into the camera.

Next, play with the squelch/mute adjustment on the wireless system. Squelch/mute is essentially narrowing the broadcast bandwidth a transmitter or receiver will tolerate. Most wireless systems place this control on the receiver, but some systems allow transmitter strength as an adjustable option. Caution! Narrowing reception bandwidth reduces physical distance between transmitter and receiver.

I didn't see this before I left yesterday so I obviously didn't get a chance to play with this yet. I will definitely look into it.

Sounds like a dropout to me. You could be moving through dead spots. I think they are created by radio waves phase cancelling after bouncing off something. I am not a radio engineer, but that is the gist of the explanation I read.

Something else I need to read up on.


Now for the rest of the wedding, (insert standard photog gripe here). They were really nice and more accommodating than others I have worked with so far, BUT they still get in the way and ruin shots. I only got about 3 seconds of usable footage of the bride walking down because the photog was in the aisle. I'll definitely be slow-moing that.

I'll keep this short since I'm getting off topic, but the DJ really sucked. And because he had no MCing skills, no one listened to him when he made announcements. Consequently, no one saw the cake cutting but the 2 photogs and me. My husband, my second cameraman, was off changing tapes because we thought we had plenty of time. But the bride and groom just dove in. He came back and was like, "What the hell happened?" The bouqet and garter went the same way. The fastest I've ever seen! She threw the bouquet without any warning. Our cameras were rolling but not sure what we got since we weren't exactly ready. For the garter, the groom went down, pulled off the garter, then as he's getting back up to stand he throws it over his shoulder. No joke! It took all of 3 seconds. I couldn't believe it.

The best part of the night was this one lady dancing. I swear it was Elaine from Seinfeld! I never knew someone to actually dance like that for real. I got her on tape so once I get it up, I'll have to show you all. I was crackin' up!

"I only got about 3 seconds of usable footage of the bride walking down because the photog was in the aisle."

The videographer and photographer should be shoulder-to-shoulder when the bride goes down the aisle. Coordination of the two disciplines is not an option. Communicate what you will be doing before the event. Try to give them room when they need it and they will probably do the same for you. I use a monopod so my camera can stay in place while I move myself out of the photographer's way. I'm not criticizing you personally, but the ego wars between the two have been well-documented around here and it helps nobody. By communicating with the photographer, I have only had a single problem and that was with a photographer that believes that nobody should ever go in the aisle. I can't change his mind about that, but I still make sure to give his assistants a shot down the aisle with their long lenses.

It's good to hear your audio was better this time. I know how stressful technical problems can be.

I don't think people have a very good perspective on time when they are in big social situations. Whenever out-of-town guests are announced, the person always stands up just long enough for their knees to straighten and then they plop back down at the speed of gravity. I just don't shoot that stuff anymore unless there are extra cameras. For the events, I try to find the person serving as M.C. and try to get them to let me know when things are going to start up. It usually helps, but sometimes they forget so I find one still must be very alert.

Can you guys just "feel" when something is about to happen? I often find myself getting spidey-sense while eating dinner and start rubber-necking the room looking for someone on the move toward the podium.

Can you guys just "feel" when something is about to happen? I often find myself getting spidey-sense while eating dinner and start rubber-necking the room looking for someone on the move toward the podium.

Haha, not really, I just always feel I'm not doing my job if I'm not filming. Last wedding I was at I was at a table scarfing down a few meatballs and noticed the couple across from me opening these little fortune cookies. I just filmed them while I ate. Took me about 4-5 minutes to eat. My wife thinks I'm crazy . . and I think she's probably right, lol.

Haha, not really, I just always feel I'm not doing my job if I'm not filming. Last wedding I was at I was at a table scarfing down a few meatballs and noticed the couple across from me opening these little fortune cookies. I just filmed them while I ate. Took me about 4-5 minutes to eat. My wife thinks I'm crazy . . and I think she's probably right, lol.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm always nervous that I'll miss something when I sit to eat too. I want to be at the ready so I usually just scarf it down too and I'm ready to go again.

"Can you guys just "feel" when something is about to happen? I often find myself getting spidey-sense while eating dinner and start rubber-necking the room looking for someone on the move toward the podium.

I'm kind of that way, get that 'feeling', but I'm a quickly learning to depend on the DJ more and more, since things at receptions usuually require an announcment, I figure he'd know before hand. I always introduce myself to the DJ, exchange cards etc. For example, we were moving to the far side to shoot/film the reception b&g pictures, and then the DJ says oh, no, actually we're starting a (not THE) b&g dance, well, I missed 15 secs of the dance because of it. So, as a practice I make sure the DJ knows what the heck he's doing, or I just don't rely on him.

But Marcus yea, the more disorganized the event, the more my spidey scense tingles.

Andrea,

I'm glad to hear it worked out well for you! My wedding went well Saturday, too, but I did a friend a favor on Sunday and shot his ordination service. My wireless fell off the podium half way thru the sermon! It really does happen to us all!

Oh, and thanks for the laugh over that lady dancing like Elaine. Can you show us the footage?

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Marcus,

You are correct, we should be on equal footing with the photogs, but there are still those out there who think that they are IT, and don't care if they're in our shots... oh well, "Live and let live" !

As for the spidey sense, I've got that, too. Maybe we could come up with a good name that describes it as some kind of "Videographer's Sense"?

Cheers To All!

I'm going to take this all the way back to wireless audio problems and explain how it's solution, for me, helps me deal with photographers. I have mentioned that I spent $1200 for a Lectrosonics system and consider it a bargain. There is a reason for that.

My first solo wedding, done for free for a friend, was an audio disaster. I used a really cheap ~$100 system yet thought it would work as the distances were short and I had tested things out successfully before the day. Even at the setup and testing on-site things were fine. Halfway through the ceremony loud static started coming through. I ended up re-recording the vows. The couple was very happy with the video and I got a thank-you letter from the bride's mother.

About a year later, I had an affordable ~$250 diversity VHF wireless and started doing weddings professionally. I got a horrible feedback in the middle of a ceremony that was like the problem talked about in the "I picked the wrong week to stop drinking" thread:

"About 3 minutes before the bride is to walk down the aisle, there is a static, screeching sound from the speakers... Not a quick scratch. A LONG, drawn out, ear-piercing static. Thinking of it makes my head hurt. In a panic thinking I'm boinking this entire wedding, I turn off my receivers. My helper tells the priest and the groom to turn off their mics as well."

The difference is that my problem stopped when I turned off my transmitter. The other difference was that it only started when the priest approached the podium. I assumed he had a feedback problem with his PA, but it stopped when I turned off my system. I have no idea how this happened, so I'm not able to give any advice in how to prevent an issue like this. My only logical guess is that the wireless systems might have been on a similar, or harmonic frequency and his receiver started to pick up signal from my transmitter.

Having everyone in the whole church stare at you is a humbling experience.

I switched to the best-recommended system I could find and have never regretted my choice. Flawless transmission on frequencies not often used by other systems and devices allows a great deal of physical freedom and emotional comfort. I can position my camera anywhere in the room and know I will hear everything from the groom.

The second thing I have done is to deal with visual obstructions by getting a monopod and attaching a stabilizing counterweight that allows me to go high-angle in a few seconds. I don't even completely ruin the shot during the transition. I use a belt with leather pouch to hold the foot of the monopod at my waist and can stay that way the entire ceremony, if necessary. I can be quite stable as long as I don't go more than about 30 feet from the couple.

The freedom of worry-free audio and easy camera placement is priceless. I simply don't have many of the issues people around here say are their top problems. I am not the best wedding videographer on this forum, but I have almost none of the problems often reported and that is very good for reducing stress. I can spend all my time looking out for shots instead of worrying about audio problems and visual obstructions.

I would rather use a consumer camcorder and a Lectrosonics than a PD170 and a low-end wireless. It also saves time in post since I don't have seperate audio and video systems. I bought an extra lav mic since those wires are so fine I'm sure one will break some day.

A decent camera, a great wireless, freedom of movement, and event videographer tingle-sense are the basics of getting a good video. I'm still working on getting more creative with the videography. It is sometimes difficult to cover everything and get the subtle shots simultaneously.