Well, I have been researching for days to try and find the BEST place to obtain some royalty free music for my summer project coming up. I am willing to pay for it, but my Gosh! Some of these sights want 50.00 to use one track for 4 minutes at a time! That really adds up. Some sights offer 10 tracks for 100.00 and you can do whatever you want with it. Thats not too bad, but most of the time, 6 out of 10 tracks I wouldn't use on a dog video. So, without further complaining, I will ask my fellow members Where is a DECENT place to get some good Film Score? Tell me what companies have I missed, who is the best for the money? Thanks! J

I also purchased all 700 plus tracks(about 100 titles arranged differently) from Stock20.com. These are different from your typical orchestral stuff, mostly piano, guitar....180.00 bucks for the whole site. Great deal, and package this with the Hark Music Productions package and you have the orchestral filmscore stuff and good intro and ending stuff for independent films..I am very satisfied.

John try Stock20.com

Great pricing and very good selection.
All original compositions.

I'm looking specifically for a site with plenty of Christian Rock royalty free music for a youth ministry program video. I've found a couple songs on some of the sites listed previously in this thread, but not what I need. Any ideas on a royalty free site with plenty of Christian Rock?

Thanks for the help...

Kevin,

I think your best bet might be This page at ProductionTrax.com (https://www.productiontrax.com/subcategory.php?id=45).

It's not all great, as this site is a bit of a free for all in terms of allowing anyone to upload material but certainly they have this genre well-covered.

Good luck!

Colin

P.S. For anything else check out my own site below :-)

www.musicbakery.com
www.freshmusic.com
www.sounddogs.com (have downloadable individual sound effects too)
www.iamusic.com
www.uniquetracks.com
www.flyinghands.com
www.opuzz.com

I've used some from all of them. They all have many different kinds suited to different tastes, moods, etc. I tend to like these too because they all have download options which I prefer over buying CDs.

Anyone try Digital Juice's backtraxx music libraries? It looks pretty good, quite the selection, over +1000 songs..... http://www.digitaljuice.com/products/product_volumes.asp?cid=1&pvid=1

Revostock has royalty free music for $10 per song. Good selection and a good website for searching and previewing. They also sell video clips in various formats for quite cheap as well.

Here's a couple mmusic examples:

http://www.revostock.com/FileCloseupAudio.html?&ID=15069

or if your more country

http://www.revostock.com/FileCloseupAudio.html?&ID=16648

Another source of excellent music at reasonable licensing fees is Magnatunes.com

I've gone through 100s of those songs, and I've found maybe 3, which that are decent. The rest is, yeah... There are no sites out there that have music for sale you would actually hear in a commercial spot, or movie, etc. I'm talking like, music you'd actually wanna hear. Not some "corporate loop synth, zappy weirdness". Haha. That's my frustration speaking. And, I actually electronic music, just not what I've been finding on these sites. It's very frustrating, because I know there are sites out there with good quality music; it's just a matter of finding them. I don't want to settle, and sell my self short and my clients for using low grade music like this. If anybody has had any luck finding some sweet music, please let me know. The dropdrop composer on revostock is by far the best I've found so far. Sorry for the rant, and I apologize if I've offended anybody. I hope I haven't. You guys rock.

-douglas joseph.

If you guys are ever doing a bigger production consider getting a blanket license from these guys- Audio Network - Production Music Library (http://www.audionetworkplc.com/)

Its $395 but they've got tons of good tracks and you can use as many as you want in one single production.

Anyone try Digital Juice's backtraxx music libraries? It looks pretty good, quite the selection, over +1000 songs..... Digital Juice - The Leader in Royalty Free Professional Animations, Stock Footage, Music, Layered Graphics, Clip Art and Templates (http://www.digitaljuice.com/products/product_volumes.asp?cid=1&pvid=1)

I have quite a few of their stacktraxx libraries, which are the multitrack versions of the backtraxx. I find them to be of better than average quality and work fine for many situations.

I can recommend the Strata Series from Smartsound.

For those familiar with music production, better results can be had when mixing the StackTraxx and/or Strata Series smartsounds with other loop libraries inside Acid or Reaper. This way you can mix and match or eliminate a drum track and replace it with a much better groove, etc.

I've gone through 100s of those songs, and I've found maybe 3, which that are decent. The rest is, yeah... There are no sites out there that have music for sale you would actually hear in a commercial spot, or movie, etc. I'm talking like, music you'd actually wanna hear. Not some "corporate loop synth, zappy weirdness". Haha. That's my frustration speaking. And, I actually electronic music, just not what I've been finding on these sites. It's very frustrating, because I know there are sites out there with good quality music; it's just a matter of finding them. I don't want to settle, and sell my self short and my clients for using low grade music like this. If anybody has had any luck finding some sweet music, please let me know. The dropdrop composer on revostock is by far the best I've found so far. Sorry for the rant, and I apologize if I've offended anybody. I hope I haven't. You guys rock.

-douglas joseph.

If you want music that you would hear in a commercial spot, go to killertracks.com. My corporate clients like to use their music, and I always find myself hearing the same songs in TV commercials, news shows, etc. I think it has the best music, but it's not royalty free unfortunately, so quality comes at a price.

If you want music that you would hear in a commercial spot, go to killertracks.com. My corporate clients like to use their music, and I always find myself hearing the same songs in TV commercials, news shows, etc. I think it has the best music, but it's not royalty free unfortunately, so quality comes at a price.Just a bit of clarification ... "royalty free" does not mean the music is used for free. It means you don't have to continue to pay on-going royalty payments each time the piece you've used it in is aired or viewed. You pay a single fee to license it and that's it. Compared to non-royalty free where each time the piece is aired, the broadcaster will pay a royalty to BMI or ASCAP, etc, which in turn is then distributed to the copyright owners.

Stock Music - Royalty Free Music with an Edge (http://stockmusic.net/)
not the cheapest guy in town ($30 per track)
but a lot of surprisingly good tracks.

Best

Vasco

I would second Ken's comments about Digital Juice Stacktacks, and Sonic Fire's strata series. I have not gone as far as he has, but the ability to render each instrument set layer and play with them gives you more flexibility than simply using a one layer track from somewhere else. Sony Cinescore is also not bad, but has much less music to offer and at a higher price. (Pricewise DJ is lowest, SonicFire next and Sony highest).

I often find myself going first to Digital Juice, then Sonic Fire then to other selections in my small but growing library. I would add that SONY will now allow individual track download/purchases for $10, which is a step forward. I just wish they had a bigger library.

ps. I just listened to Vasco's recommendation and was impressed.

ps. I just listened to Vasco's recommendation and was impressed.

So was I, Chris, the first time I landed on their website, four years ago.
Then, looking for cheaper stuff, I've spent quite some time exploring
other RFM sites - and kept going back to stockmusic.net.
I'd be glad to have somebody suggest other sites offering the same quality...

Best

Vasco

Vasco, if by quality you mean real instruments (instead of synthesizer stuff) a good sample rate and nice scores, I think the ones I mentioned can provide quality stuff - I don't like ALL of their offerings (and there is some of that synth music here and there) but overall there is some stuff that easily meets THAT definition of "quality".

The opening score in this little clip posted for the UWOL challenge uses SonicFire and has gotten favorable response:

Glacier Park Film Project Early Trailer on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/3291609)

There is another source: local bands. Many will give you rights to their song in return for a credit. And there are many modern "composers" who can score stuff for cheap. Just ask in the Sonar and Cubase forums.

The only problem I have with complete scores is flexibility. For example, if someone is speaking I tend to like to take out all the mid range instruments that clash with the voice and often just leave the drums and bass at a lower volume. That's where these multi-track libraries come in handy, and especially SonicFirePro which can export also the individual sections within those single tracks. With little knowledge of Sony Acid or Reaper, scoring becomes much more powerful.

Vasco, if by quality you mean real instruments (instead of synthesizer stuff) a good sample rate and nice scores, I think the ones I mentioned can provide quality stuff - I don't like ALL of their offerings (and there is some of that synth music here and there) but overall there is some stuff that easily meets THAT definition of "quality".
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Chris, "after careful reviewing"..., well: you sold me on Digital Juice and/or SonicFire.
Thanks for the very useful suggestion!
(lesson learned: never let a graphically off-putting website - Digital Juice - put you off...).
But I'd like to have your opinion on the following: the Sonicfire Pro software seems to give you extra flexibility, but their scores are pricier; the Digital Juice tracks sound very good and are cheaper, but the Jucier seems to have limited capabilities... Does that (if true) really make a difference? If you had to pick one (so as to profit from bundling), which way would you go first: Digital Juice or SonicFire?

All the best

Vasco
PS: greetings to the Big Austrian fellow over there :-)
(we proudly managed to get rid of those Austrians back in 1291...)

Vasco..

Let's start by saying that in the imperfect world of Royalty Free "canned music" some of the important things to look for are real instruments, on separately renderable tracks and some ability to manipulate track length to a custom length. There are other criteria and I am only picking a few of my most important ones.

Using those criteria and looking at SonicFire Pro (SF or SFP) versus Digital Juice (DJ), Sonic Fire Pro wins. Why? Because they will assemble a cut on a song to a desired final time length, and Digital Juice won't do that. You can stretch a DJ piece a little, but you more or less are locked in to the length. Sonic Fire Pro also offers a neat little feature that will allow you to easily overlay a musical "crescendo" at any selected point in a track ("Add HIT") that I find useful in assembly editing with a soundtrack. They also offer a "mood" selector as well as a "variation" selector that will subtly alter the music, increasing the number of available renditions of any particular piece - again on Strata series only.When you have the right music in Sonic Fire you can easily make it fit in many different variations. An easily customizable program for music dummies like me.

Now... pluses for Digital Juice. First off, more of their stuff is layered. They have about 50 or so stacktracks albums out and all but a few are layered. Sonic Fire has a lot of offerings but not that many are layered (the so-called Strata series). Sonic Fire's price is also about twice the price of DJ's offerings and their "sales" are mainly non-layered stuff they seem to be trying to unload.

The good news is that you can "test drive" all of either's offerings before you buy. I'd only caution you to be sure that if you are listening to a SF cut you like and think you want to buy, know if it is multiple layered or not before you buy, many of their still are not.

I've only used Sony Cinescore a little, mainly because I like the ease of use and selection in DJ and SonicFire more, and I also think that SONY's music selections are overpriced compared to DJ and SF and also they do not offer much of a range of music *I* would find useable.

The Richard Band series in Sonic Fire is very nice, rich sounding music to my 'tin" ear. If you listened to that score for my "placeholder" clip, that was Richard Band Scoring Series 7 - "Heartland Americana".. I recently did a 30 second commercial where a DJ 30 second clip was perfect, really exactly perfect, and mainly due to the BIG selection they offer was I able to find such a nice fit of music to the idea. The :30 length was a no-brainer and so changing the length was not so important as in other situations. Ability to change the musical sound by using varying tracks was.

So for me, I have both, like both, use both. DJ is easier on the pocketbook though.

Hope this helps.

Chris

ps. If I could ONLY have ONE, and only had $100 to spend, I'd *start* with Digital juice.
pps. As I make longer movies I find the ability to customize a SFP score into many variations and use more of it in the main soundtrack is a plus.

Thank you so much, Chris!
As soon as I'm done with Uncle Sam's paperwork
(and I have my "State of the Wallet" assessment ready)
I'll go for either one of'em
(or maybe both, courtesy of the aforementioned?)

Best regards

Vasco

Vasco,

I have to second Chris' endorsement of Sonic Fire Pro and SmartSound music. The "Richard Band" series is incredibly rich sounding music, even his single layer stuff. I was lucky enough to catch that volume 7 "Scoring Suite" on a half price sale when they first introduced it for a week and so far have used that same track Chris used in two projects.

If I didn't have it I would pay full price for it today, it is that good.

Sonic Fire Pro 5 comes in two versions, the Express Tracks version often comes free with a single disk music purchase, but the Scoring Edition (which also includes the Express Tracks) is well worth the upgrade price.

I use two NLE's that use a SmartSound plug in so the music score can be laid in right in the video editor and that is convenient if you don't need to work with multi layered versions of the score, but having used the Scoring Edition as a "stand alone" I cannot imagine being without it. You can time the sequence to be scored in the NLE, go to SFP and mark the timeline. If you would like video to reference you can render a low res version of that portion and have SFP Scoring Edition show it in a small window while the score variation is being test played.

Incredible.

Thank you so much, Bruce!

best

Vasco

After my last post, comparing Sonic Fire Pro and DJ, I got to feeling like I might have been a little unfair to SONY Cinescore - I mean while I disclaimed much experience, a re-reading of that post sounded like I was dissing it more than a little. That got me thinking, and with a little time on my hands I decided to jump headfirst into Cinescore and see what I had been missing. My timing worked out perfectly because SONY has a 35% off sale going, and also you can now "cherry pick" their entire music selection library for Cinescore and download any single song for roughtly $6.50..

So having spent a good long evening running through SONY's excellent tutorials and playing with Cinescore for a while, and then the next night picking up 8 really nice pieces of Cinescore music that are to my taste, I can perhaps bring a bit more "fairness" to the prior, mostly DJ and SFP focused discussion.

The final pps in that thread talked about being able to score longer pieces for longer films, and mentioned the benefits of SFP for that task. Well, SONY is as good, no wait, probably even better, than SFP in that regard. Let me give an example.

When I had a better sense of Cinescore, I was still plagued by the notion that a lot of their music failed to "grab" me. When I saw the sale and realized I could pick up individual titles from larger (and expensive) collections, I listened to darn near each and every one and selected 8 out of what were probably over 100 or so possible selections. (Maybe even more.) One of them was "Sun Stone". Let's use it as an example.

Sun Stone is a generalized musical theme. It has however, 19 (YES 19!) available variations, from "real flamenco" to and including "easy listening", "flutes intro" and 16 others.
Each can blend into the others, the musical theme is the same. Now if that isn't enough, there are 8 selectable "moods". In this case from "exotic" to "full band" to "guitar version" and 5 others. So far the permutations and combinations are already well over 100!

Each piece has a number of "sections" which you can further arrange to customize the piece even more. Finally you can adjust the tempo and intensity.

Now a lot of this is a lot like SFP, but to be honest it offers more variations and variety than SFP.

With the ability to purchase individual tracks (and especially on sale through this month) I'd have to add Cinescore as a very worthy contender for anyone needing true scoring software. It is more expensive than SFP but on sale not by much, especially considering what it has to offer.

After cherry picking SONY's Cinescore Music library, I now have some stuff I really like (but didn't want to buy a whole theme kit for one song before) and I will definitely be using it more in the future.

If SONY would reduce the price full time to the current levels and offer even more choices for their music, this one could become a staple in any film-makers arsenal.

If you are making 15 plus minute short films, or longer, SFP and Cinescore deserve a good look see as a departure point for your musical scoring needs. I have to admit that the extra $$ for Cinescore, even at the sale price levels, can be justified with the greater variations available to the filmmaker wanting a truly unique and custom score.

ps. I would point out though, that while SFP does not offer the variations that SONY does, SONY does not offer control over each instrumental channel like SFP does. SONY generally chooses certain instruments for you and lets you chose from their selected groupings. I encourage interested folks to visit both websites and indulge their curiosity. Both have excellent sites with a lot of hands on possibilities.

The "deal of the week" 3 bundles of 5 disks per bundle. $99.95.

Bundle #1 would be one I would go for if I didn't already have the 2 Richard Band volumes offered in this one. Action and Dramatic between them have some very good cinematic scores. Click on the "listen" link to hear samples of the tracks on each volume.

Here is a link to the offer, and SonicFire Pro 5 "Express Tracks" is free with any of these bundles.

SmartSound Specials (http://www.smartsound.com/specials/index.html?utm_source=dow35packs&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sfp4&utm_term=header_img)

Bruce... Thanks. I got their email earlier in the week and have been pondering maybe picking up one of their 3 selections of music... Mind you, it is not the end of the world that none of these is multi-layered, BUT... this is an example of what I said about their sales not including the multi layered stuff. NONE of the sale pieces are ML, and some of it is their earlier stuff. Good prices though if it fits your needs.

Nevertheless a heads up for the sale was A GOOD IDEA... thanks !

CHRIS

ps. The number 1 offering was my choice too. The Richard Band series is really good stuff.

New Smartsound sale.... $49.95 for strata series (multi-layered) including new releases. or 6 for $250.

Very good music at: Triple Scoop Music : Award-winning music for professional photographers and videographers! (http://www.triplescoopmusic.com) they have both vocal and intrumentals.

And a new (and finally decent) sale from SmartSound. This is a good priced sale with lots of multilayered stuff.

SmartSound Specials (http://www.smartsound.com/specials/index.html)

11:59 tonight the biggest sale SmartSound has had ends.

I snapped up 4 albums this time, 3 of them Multi-Layer!

Even though they are single layer the Richard Band 1,2,3, and 6 are outstanding values at $24.95! (I already had 1,2, and 6 and paid a lot more than this price for them. Here is part of the email I got from them. Chris has a link in the post above.

========== From SmartSound ==================
We have OVER 30 Multi-Layer Albums on sale for just $39.95 each! That's the lowest I've ever seen them priced. ("Theatrical Impact" is a must-have at $39.95! So many great deals.)

Check them out:
SmartSound Specials (http://www.smartsound.com/specials/index.html?utm_source=mar09spring&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=trmsfp4&utm_term=specials)

I'd like to suggest you
jamendo.com

I would point out that while Free and legal music downloads - Jamendo (http://www.jamendo.com) is a neat place with lots of participating artists uploading their work, use of the music there is NOT royalty free for use in films or other audio visual works.

I recently purchased BackTraxx 1 for a documentary film I'm producing only to find out they have an entirely different license for commercial use. They told me on the phone I could use it however I wanted as long as the music was embedded with other media and not available for download separately. However, after reading the EULA that doesn't seem to be the case. Does anyone know what Digital Juice charges for a song if I want to broadcast it as background music in a film?

Digital Juice just contacted me. I can use the music anyway I wish as long as it's synced with other media.

@ Chris:What you mean?You have to pay for that kind of use?

Yes, synch rights are not free, and carry other conditions.

Been a while since this post was in active. Meanwhile, as I write this today, 6 months later....Cinescore has a GREAT sale going on, just FYI... SmartSound is changing their marketing and DJ is as well. It is all good for film makers.

Sony's Sale: http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/cinescore?keycode=64147 Good thru 12/31/09

Hey Chris, is it easy to use?A couple of dvinfousers were suggesting each other to pick this with other boxes.....I need this for historical docs and national geographic style docs(i wish), do u recomend it to buy?

thx

There are two open submission libraries I use. There's a lot of crap on these, but you kind find good composers too. Of course music is one of those things where there are many opinions.

Royalty Free Music & Stock Audio - AudioJungle (http://www.audiojungle.net)
Composers: sashqxxx, soundroll, mich1s

Here is a collection of good tracks I made: Good Music Tracks - brettsherman - AudioJungle (http://audiojungle.net/collections/296084-good-music-tracks)

RevoStock: Affordable Stock Video Footage, After Effects Projects, Music and Sound Effects (http://www.revostock.com)
Composers:DanPhillipson, Darko Saric, DropDrop

Here is a mediabox I made with what I think are good tracks. I even added a couple of pieces I made, though I wouldn't put myself in the same category as the other composers. One of these days I'll have time to do some composition.

RevoStock: Affordable Stock Video Footage, Music and Sound Effects (http://www.revostock.com/MediaBox-Empty.html?&ID=8415)

Marcus.... the "Big Three" companies making music software specifically for film makers which is "Buy it Once, Use it Forever, no further fees, costs, hassles, etc", are SONY Cineform, SmartSound (Sonic Fire Pro) and Digital Juice. There are other sites where you can get sound FX, and individual pieces of music, sometimes for free, sometimes "free" but with a licensing requirement ($$) for use in a film (it may be free to download but has usage restrictions). I use a mix of all of them. It's ideally not a you can only have one... one size does not fit every need here.

Digital Juice Stacktracks are probably the easiest to use and the least "customable" of the big 3. They have an extensive selection though. Used to be one of the best pricing wise, but SONY and SmartSound have started marketing better and now DJ MAY be more expensive, especially in light of the lack of customizable features.

SmartSound is a very good product, and they are making it better. It takes a little to learn, but not terribly difficult. Good selection of tunes. Highly customizable.

SONY Cineform may be the best of all, though it has a somewhat restricted library content wise at the moment and until recently was expensive. Now with this sale it is one of the best price wise. Has more fetures than SmartSound, but also lacks a few they DO have that I like.

I'd make the following analogy - DJ is akin to Microsoft Movie Maker, while SmartSound and Cineform are closer to VAGAS/CS4/Premier/Avid. More work to learn and use, but WAY more flexible.

Depends on what you want out and more importantly need of your music. In many instances a DJ track has been "PERFECT". Sometimes I need more flexibility to tailor the length and sound of the music to fit.

With SONY and SmartSound you can manipulate the music and "sort of" do you own scoring. (Apologies to musicians, I know that is not what you would consider writing a score).

All 3 of the "Big Three" have websites where you can experience what they have to offer. Check em out.

I give a more detailed analysis in an earlier post in this thread.

Chris S.

ps. The idea of licensing music is not outrageous,and if you find something you like don't be shy about asking for a rate quote. I have even found music I liked and when asked, gotten permission for free non-commerical usage, with a proviso that it did not include commecial usage, which would have a fee attached.

pps. I cannot recommend one over the other. If you can only have one, it really would depend on your needs and how what they have to offer fits those needs and only you can know that. They are NOT expensive and I cannot imagine not having all 3.

A new stock music web site with royalty free music is Tune Society.

Tune Society: Production & Media Music Community - Royalty-free (http://www.tunesociety.com/)

I found the music to be top notch stuff. Of course, because any musician who wishes can upload their tunes, not everything is going to be something you like. But the pricing is very reasonable, you download the tunes right there, and you get some very quality music.

Hope this helps,

Jim

SONY Cineform

That should be: Sony Cinescore :)

Thanks guys: so i'll buy tomorrow CINESCORE!

I was wondering if anybody of u has ever bought song from jamendo, they r very cheap!
But i was wondering if there's something hidden i don't know when i purchase...for example if they have some kind of right once you buy their music for your own movies...i don't know?Anybodu out there have experience in that?

thx

Synchronize the music in timed relation with other audio/visual content in a software product, hardware product, electronic media such as DVD, CD and the like, whether for sale or free, and reproduce/duplicate such product up to a number of 10,000 units before needing any additional mechanical licensing.

If you publish to the web I take it that means you need additional licensing if your hit counter goes above 10,000?

Looking at Sony Cinescore's theme licenses I don't see any mention of such a restriction. Is my understanding correct?

If you publish to the web I take it that means you need additional licensing if your hit counter goes above 10,000?


Take a close look at that license part you quoted. It's referring to making physical copies of a hardware distribution medium such as CD or DVD. Nowhere does it mention web posting or distribution by download at all. A license is something that says what you can do. If it's not explicitly permitted, it's prohibited. Unless there's a specific phrase somewhere else in the license that contradicts, I would interpret it to mean that any form of web publication is not licensed and thus prohibited. You could use the song in a DVD you're making of a wedding for the bride and groom and you could sell them ten copies for them to give to familiy and friends but you could NOT post the video on YouTube (according to what you posted - I haven't read the Jamendo license and have no idea what else it might say).

Ouch, have to read these licenses more carefully. Thanks Steve.

I wish these were easier to interpret, take the Cinescore Theme Pack EULA

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/loop_libraries/eula.asp

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Sony Creative Software, as Licensor, grants to you, the Licensee, a limited, nonexclusive right to use the Content Offering on a single computer for your individual use. You are free to use the Content Offering in your own original compositions without restriction. Neither the Content Offering nor any portion thereof may be resold or redistributed as loops, music beds, clips, visuals and/or graphic images except as otherwise integrated into your own works


Seems to say I can use the Theme Pack on one computer (I get one copy). But I can integrate it into my video.

... a few aspirins later ...


4. RESTRICTIONS ON USE. You may not: (a) use the Content Offering on more than one computer at a time without purchasing additional licenses, (b) distribute, share, sublicense, lend, lease or otherwise make the Content Offering available to any third party (on the Internet, an information network or tangible media, by broadcast or in any other manner), (c) modify, adapt, create derivative works from or translate any part of the Content Offering (other than as integrated by you into your work in accordance with this EULA), (d) reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the Content Offering or otherwise attempt to obtain its source code, (e) remove or alter any copyright, trademark or other proprietary notice contained in the Content Offering or (f) use the Content Offering in any manner not set forth in this EULA or in the Content Offering's documentation.


(b) says I can't lend out the Cinescore theme itself on any media ... which appears counter to the point if I take it literally as it doesn't distinguish between the Theme Pack and the generated work when it back tracks in (c) . Ah, the intricacies of legalese. It's got me in a tangle, hire a lawyer to interpret what it says or bang out my own tunes with some twigs and empty cans.

Mike, you almost seem to be TRYING to confuse yourself here.

Let's start with Digital Juice. Here is the guts of their license on this issue:

StackTraxx Uses Allowed:

You may adapt, synchronize, reproduce and distribute the Content only in conjunction with and as an integral part of multimedia works and/or multiform audio presentations as created, adapted, edited or synchronized by our customers. This includes but is not limited to distribution of your non-profit or for-profit audio-visual works distributed over web, broadcast, film, DVD, radio, public presentations, and personal or private uses.

Bottom line, use it as a soundtrack, anywhere anyhow other than stand alone. Try and package their "content" however for resale as another product designed for film-makers to use as background music (e.g. using their product as your own "stand alone" product, however, is a no no - and understandably so.) That is what these licenses are protecting, the product, not your resultant use in your own film... it is JUST THAT SIMPLE.

And SONY Cinescore (sorry about the earlier gaffe calling it Cineform), even easier:

You are free to use the Content Offering in your own original compositions without restriction.

Cinescore's EULA (end user license agreement) incidentally, is for ALL SONY software audio/video products.

What many seem to fail to grasp is the disinction between "content" (the product) and a creative work done using the product and integrating the result into that work. The interest of the Product creator/seller is that they just don't want you selling or reselling their product - in the case of SONY that means their their "Theme pack" ... which is NOT the music, it is the software which allows generation of the music. A theme pack won't play on any player anywhere, it is not music. So it is the software you cannot sell. THAT is content (product) and theirs exclusively. Now that said, if you used the content (product) to create individual songs and tried to market them as your own product - as a stand alone product - to be sold commercially to allow someone else to them adapt and use as background music in their works, THAT is also a no-no. However, and this is prettty darned simple folks, you merely need to use these in your own creative works. The music you can generate and use in a work you create using that content is YOURS... no strings attached. "No restrictions". No fees, no hidden costs.

SmartSound's license is very similar as I reacll, and the only catch I remember and that Steve pointed out was is IF you have an actual a distribution of a DVD or disk with a product run in excess of 10,000 copies. How many of you fall into THAT category? And if you do, hire a lawyer - I know of a good one on here who specializes in this stuff (not me).

In short... STOP WORRYING. Cinescore, DJ and SonicFire (SmartSound) are all royalty free music. Buy them, use them as intended in a soundtrack on a film, and forget about it. You are shopping for issues where there are none.

Chris S.

ps. And I AM a lawyer. (Not that this constitutes legal advice, merely that I am perfectly comfortble using these products as I just mentioned, and am NOT worried.)

Thanks for that Chris, I was about to hit the trigger on Cinescore (lol, I have Cineform too) for use with video I'd post of the web. I was happened to be comparing Cinescore with SmartSound when the latter license started putting doubts in my mind about both.

Hey Chris, just cause you r a lawyer and cause you wrote me back about jamendo;i d like to know once you pay the songs i'm ok to use em as i like for my productions right?(speaking about jamendo system)
thx a lot Chris