Hi,

I've had my HC7 for over a month now, and am starting to fall into a rut with some of the settings I use. When developing techniques for a new still camera, I have found it helpful to search website forums for tips from others, often giving me ideas of new settings to try. Maybe in the camcorder world there is less of a one size fits all, and this wouldn't be as useful. But, I would appreciate if anyone could post useful settings or techniques they use regularly that I might try.

For example, most still and video cameras I've used seem to have a "sweet spot" where they perform best. Has anyone determined a compelling shutter/exposure combination (or a group of settings) useful for general or specific shooting situations? Is there any particular focal length that seems to be particularly appealing (I have noticed at some zoom settings, when focused on the foreground, I can get an unappealing diamond pattern bokeh in the background- by slightly changing the subject distance, etc., these can be eliminated).

To kick things off, here are a few of the features I have been experimenting with and others may find useful:

For quick on the fly adjustments when I'm shooting nature outdoors, I have gravitated to the spot metering mode since I can quickly and easily change the settings very quickly with instant feedback. I use the LCD screen as a touch screen monitor, and can really fine tune what I want in terms of exposure in a quick and interactive way. This is especially helpful when there is a lot of contrast and I am trying to avoid blowing out something that might otherwise look very overexposed. Implementing zebra bars can help with gauging how far to adjust this.

I am now leaving X.V. color on- I don't have a monitor to display it, but I'm doing this on the assumption that soon it will become standard, and then I'd like to have the extra color space. I've seen posts on the web which hint at what the HC7 is recording, and I'd rather have the richer colors to work with someday, even if I can't see them now.

I have turned off autoslow shutter, since contrary to what I'd intuitively assume, I have read in some posts on several sites that it seems to contribute to noise. I don't know if anyone else has experience with this, but I am leaving it off until I understand better what this function actually does.

Well, any tips or suggestions would be great. I have really enjoyed this camera, and as my first HDV camcorder, I am learning how I need to be much more rigorous with shooting techniques to achieve good results. It has been a real learning experience, and I'm glad to be exploring HDV now, since it seems the pace of video technology is accelerating. Thanks.

Ruth

Well, since I haven't had any responses to this post I thought I'd add another paragraph to clarify the type of things I'm hoping someone might want to share in using this camcorder. I am still enjoying it, and wonder what settings other users are finding that prove helpful.

For example, in the SLR world, the Nikon 50mm f 1.4 lens is not quite as sharp at f1.4 as at f1.8 or above, and seems sharpest at between f2.2 and f2.8. In terms of replicating these settings, as far as I can tell, the HC7 exposure is just adjusted by using plus or minus on the exposure manual control. So I have focused more on varying the shutter speed, then manually adjusting the exposure plus or minus to get what appears optimal exposure this way. Has anyone found anything like a "sweet spot" for this camcorder? Also, I have played with the scene select settings, like twilight- has anyone found any useful settings with these? It would be nice to compare notes. Thanks for any findings you might have with this camcorder.

Hi Ruth. Sorry, I have an HC-1, so I can't be of much help to you, but at least you'll know that someone is reading your posts and paying attention to you :). Personally on my HC-1 the only settings I've changed is warming the color balance and the saturation up slightly (1 notch). I know someone with an HC-3 and its saturation is still higher then my HC-1 even after notching it up. Is the HC-7 your 1st HDV camcorder? How do you like it?

Thanks, glad to know someone is reading this :)

Do you leave the color balance and saturation set permanently, or just for certain situations? I've played with those, but usually leave them at the default level, since my camcorder already looks pretty saturated.

Yes, the HC-7 is my first HDV camcorder. I've been through a lot of camcorders over the years, but have to say this is my favorite. Not just because of the footage- making it hard to look now at my old hi-8, etc. footage. But also because I find it really easy to use and make lots of adjustments quickly. I guess it's probably similar in many ways to the HC-1, and I imagine you are happy with that.

Thanks again for your response.

Thanks, glad to know someone is reading this :)

Do you leave the color balance and saturation set permanently, or just for certain situations? I've played with those, but usually leave them at the default level, since my camcorder already looks pretty saturated.

Yes, the HC-7 is my first HDV camcorder. I've been through a lot of camcorders over the years, but have to say this is my favorite. Not just because of the footage- making it hard to look now at my old hi-8, etc. footage. But also because I find it really easy to use and make lots of adjustments quickly. I guess it's probably similar in many ways to the HC-1, and I imagine you are happy with that.

Thanks again for your response.

Hi Ruth
Yes, I leave those permanently set. Again, they are only one step away from the default setting. I have the HC-1. My Dad has the HC-3, and at its default settings, the saturation is higher then my HC-1 with +1 saturation. I would guess that continued somewhat through to the HC-7. Its just a matter of personal preference. If your HC-7 looks great at default, why worry about it or mess around with it. Then again, you can experiment too. I'm sure eventually on this forum people will be coming up with their ideal receipe for setting up an HC-7. Good Luck, and Have fun with your new 'toy.' - PK

From what you say, maybe the cameras have evolved in terms of their saturation. I will definitely play with it some more and see what seems most real. I also have played some (it does sound like my toy!) with the white balance, and that has been a great feature for me- it seems the white balance works really well on the HC-7.

It sounds like you've got a Sony family. I almost got the HC-3, but wanted the mic input. I have an audio background, so the sound is equally important to the image for me. I'm glad the HC-7 came along so I don't have to wait any more!

Thanks again, I am enjoying it. Took it to the Smokies yesterday and got some great video of a mother bear and her two cubs. I was really glad as I was videotaping that I had this camera.

I'd like to see what people think about how the "sharpness" setting in the HDR-HC7 affects the video image, since people are always complaining about Sony's edge enhancement as compared to Canon's camcorders; i.e., is a lower sharpness setting in the HC7 more pleasing to the eye for these folks?

Hi Ruth and Dan -

HC3 saturation was a bit TOO saturated IMO, looked nice for the consumer, and once adjusted down was AOK. So far the HC7 seems the most neutral at the stock setting, with xvColor on.

I'm leaving the xvcolor on too, same basis - it should give me more to work with if and when it becomes "standard". I haven't seen it look "bad" so far.

Auto white balance has seemed farily accurate so far, but I know auto works good.

I know some people hate the touch sceeen, but I like the "spot" focus myself - might have to try to spot exposure a bit more! I also stripped out the "p-menu" to have JUST 2 pages, and just the things I want at my fingertips - that way I can adjust almost everything "on the fly" - it's a pretty fast interface for me at least. If you haven't gotten around to playing with "p-menu", take a few minutes to do so - you can add any function in the camera menu, delete the ones you don't want, and reorder the whole menu to your personal taste! Don't like the interface? Just change it!!!

I usuallly leave the control wheel preset to adjust exposure, as I find that even with AE set to -2 to -4, the overall exposure tends to the "too bright" (every camera I've ever owned did, so this isn't a criticism, just an observation) - I'd imagine that spot exposure would be handy here too.

I'll have to take a picture of my rig once I get it dialed in - it's pretty familiar since I've used it with my HC1 and 3 along the way - dual flash brackets for a "mini fig rig", and multiple cold shoes for mounting "stuff", and Sony LANC controller (considering a different one with focus at the moment). Throw on a WA lens, and the thing looks pretty impressive!

Still getting to know the camera - going back and forth on auto slow shutter - not convinced it's noisier than dropping to 30 manually, and it does save a step or two if you're in low light. Overall, it's better in low light if only by a smidge than its ancestors (far better than the 3 from my direct observation).

Not sure if those will give you some ideas, but at least you know someone's "out here"!

DB>)

Dave,
I'd love to see a pic of your rig! Post it when you get a chance.
Yes, I've customized my p-menu, too, and I'm down to 2 pages. I think it's fast too (and I disabled the sound that the touch menu makes when you touch it).
I'll have to experiment with the control wheel defaulted to exposure. Right now I have it set to control focus.
Have you experimented with the sharpness setting?

Yep the first thing I do is turn that annoying beep off... stealth mode!

I played with the sharpness a bit, couldn't see a lot of difference, but will have to hook it up to a big screen and see... on my list of "things to do" <wink>!

DB>)

Dan and Dave,

Thanks for the feedback. I like the touch screen a lot. The spot metering works really great for me. When I'm shooting outdoors, as the sunlight changes, I just touch the screen where I want to set the exposure, and keep adjusting it until it looks right. Then I often shoot a couple other settings of the same scene, unless it's something that happens fast and I only have one chance to shoot. I would like to use the spot focus, but so far even with my sturdiest tripod and head, the camera itself moves a bit when I do this, so adjusting it as I shoot doesn't work- I would like to have it focus on something in the foreground and then touch it again and have it fade to something in the distance, for example. But it is good for setting up the shot on what I want to focus on when taking my time to get everything set up just right.

I keep changing my mind about the p menu. I started with 4 pages, then dropped to 2, and now am up to 3- eventually I'll figure out what I REALLY use the most and try to pare it down again. But it's nice to have things quickly accessible, so I either scroll up or down to get to what I want quickly. Out of curiosity, what do you have on your p menu?

I've been using the control wheel for manual focus, since I often fine tune that when shooting in the woods, since things like branches mess up where I'm trying to focus. But I'm getting pretty good at switching quickly between the different control wheel options. One thing I don't like is I often use the LCD to compose the shot- especially when shooting low down at weird angles that aren't conducive to using the viewfinder. And then it is a pain to lift the LCD to access the button and control wheel, depending on where I have the LCD angled. But other than that, I like it.

Dave- yes, I'd like to see a picture of your rig. Might give me some ideas.

Thanks again for your input.

Here are my settings for hc1.

Sharpness -2 gives a natural image without too much edge enhancement.

Colour 0. Hc1 has a very nice and realistic colour balance.

F4 gives the sharpest picture.

+9 db gain would be max in low light. I'd rather go 1/25 shutter than raise gain.

I'm shooting with the x.v. color, too (HC5). This way, the little cam is recording all the data it can.

Mikko,

Thanks, I will experiment with the equivalent of those settings on the HC7, though of course they are two very different cameras, and even some of the specific settings aren't possible. But I appreciate your insights.

Any tips for settings before I film under water?

Thanks

Hi guys - just took a pic of my bracket rig - seems HV20 owners are having stabilizing issues, so though I mihgt help them a bit, posted over there, but I realized I owe this thread a picture too!

This is a great little rig for mounting accessories and stabilizing the small cams without too much expense and hassle. Hope it gives you some ideas!

DB>)

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/attachment.php?attachmentid=2934&d=1177692222

How did you put that together? It looks like camera brackets, which must help with added stability. Any other hidden pieces? Thanks for sharing the photo.

Ruth

Hello all,
Ruth I have migrated from the still photography to an HC3 a few months ago and realized that the Fstop speed relationship works differently on the moving pictures camera. After a lot of experimentations where I tricked the HC3 into lower speed so I could climb to f11 and higher, I noticed that my sceneries(I shoot a lot of them)went soft, and it seems at least as far as my experiments went that F4 was the sweet spot. As far as other settings as sharpness colour and AE, I went up and down on all, and reverted pretty much on the standard settings as I could not see that much difference otherwise.The main thing I still control from the wheel near the lense is the aperture, and focus.
Those are thoughts with the HC3 and I am sure your HC7 cannot be that different.
Cheers from Maryland
Patrick

HI Ruth -
I'll post a couple more pictures later, but it's two stratos folding brackets and a flat one bridging between them - the two stratos screw into a tripod hole and and another set of threading at the end of the tripod screw slot on the flat bracket (not all have threads, this one does) - then the whole thing attaches with the tripod screw on the flat bracket to the camera. The total rig is VERY solid, very little flex, and it is quite good for stabilizing the camera without being big and clunky.

DB>)

[QUOTE=Ruth Happel;657879]...
For example, in the SLR world, the Nikon 50mm f 1.4 lens is not quite as sharp at f1.4 as at f1.8 or above, and seems sharpest at between f2.2 and f2.8.
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I don't own the HC7 yet, but here is a little of what I have learned about lenses through training and experience. In the filmmaking world, getting a faster lens, meaning one with a lower fstop number such as getting an f1.4 lens as opposed to an f 2 lens, means that the lens is generally built to a higher tolerance. So the f1.4 lens set at f2.8 might be marginally better than an f2 lens set at f2.8.

Another very big factor that affects us in the camcorder world as opposed to the 35mm still film world is the phenomena of diffraction. Diffraction is a fringing effect that sets in as a lens opening is made smaller. Sure, making the opening smaller (higher f-stop number) increases depth of field and makes focussing less critical but the diffraction effects undo the benefits. For that reason, your video cam may put out a sharper image in bright sunlight when an ND filter is put in place. In the 35mm world the optimum fstop is often around f5.6-f8 for that reason.

Today's video camcorders have very small chips, which make the diffraction effect come into play at larger openings (numerically lower fstops) so the optimum setting for a lens may be around f2.8 or lower. That is one of the design problems of using smaller chipsets, and why video pros often want 2/3" optics.

Thanks for all the responses- very helpful.

Patrick- your experiences with the HC3 are very useful for me. I'll experiment some with what you describe.

Dave- I've got a few folding brackets sitting around I rejected for mounting my GPS to my camera, so will play with those in a new context- always good to recycle equipment.

Mark- I have experienced the negative effects of diffraction in still photography, so it's good to keep that in mind with video, where it seems even more of an obstacle to good imaging. I appreciate your insights, and will experiment more with these settings. I sometimes do use an ND filter too, so will consider trying that more extensively when conditions permit.

Thanks again.

Ruth

This thread needs a bump ;)

My notes for having it for 5 hours...

You cannot fit a Raynox 5050 Wide in the HCC sports housing (a question I saw on another forum).

Without comparing video, just through the LCD, the Raynox 5050 with or without the adapter rind does not viginette in any noticible fashion (will need to get footage to really see it.)

The 3w Sony light is 3watts. I will have to shoot some stuff to see ranges on it (it was less than $30, so I decided "what the heck, I will try it")

The HCC sports housing is big. Bigger than the old VHS-C brick cameras and almost up to VHS size. Width is bigger.

If you were wondering, the HCC has a flipout mirror with sun shades. When you plug in the remote control, the image on the LCD flips. You fold the LCD in so that the screen faces out. Since the image flips, in the mirror, it is normal. Cool.

The HCC has not warranty for your camera. If it leaks, regardless, it is your problem to pay for.

Why could they not put a focus ring on instead to that stupid dial? They are fractions of inches apart. And filling out the registration survey (optional), they never ask if you want a focus ring when they ask about what you would like on a camera.

For a Glidecam 2000 with a Bogen (hex style) QR plate, it is 1 washer on each screw for balance. You will need to extend the tube. 2 washers is too much. Without a QR plate, you may need NO washers.

The clip that holds the battery in is the weakest link. I see trouble in the future with it. A good bump on the FH100 battery might damage it.

Hiya George -

Never reallly had a problem with vignetting on a WA - I think unless you get one with far smaller threads, you should be fine - isn't the 5050 37 or 43mm?

The 3w light is handy - sometimes even useful for "fill" light - won't reach too far or brighten that much, but will get you close in video in low light. While the HDV cams are supposedly so poor in "low light", I find they do fairly well with what you can feed them from an add on light. The 10/20W model with a diffuser is nice if pricey (and you need a different battery, but I already have those from my HC1). Just having the 3w one is a good idea for an cheap accessory!

I'm looking at modding the HCB sleds to mount the camera farther back so a WA can be fitted - lots of room back there, just a matter of figuring out a suitable mounting situation since obviously the "factory" mounting positions and screw aren't going to work - plus I'm thinking moving the camera back will foul up the mirroring... HMMMM, still will be on my list of whacky things to try!

It's understandable that Sony leaves the setup and checking of the housing to the user - can't really expect them to cover "consumer malfunctions".

And YES, a focus ring would have MADE this camera - but the practical fact is it would have made the camera bigger TOO - I've got a cheap LANC controller on the way that suppisedly will control focus - for my rig, this would be even better than a ring, so anxiously await the arrival and testing...

I had an HC3 prior to this, and the HC1, and they have all used a similar battery retainer/release - don't worry about it, you'd have to set out to bust it and be pretty brutal - if you insert and take out the battery as designed you'll probably NEVER break this... plus if you're using the pull out viewfinder, it would protect against "a bump" to the battery - and that pull out VF is certainly better than the prior fixed versions!!

Flying these small cams is tricky any way you slice it - I dug out an old Hollywood VS1 that was sort of too small for my HC1 (only rated to 4 lbs., but has a incredibly smooth and blanced micro bearing gimbal). The HC7 balances quite nicely on it, looks like sombody left a big steadi rig in the dryer and shrunk it a LOT! I was going to sell that "micro" steady rig, but now it has a purpose, and it really does behave like a much larger package! I'd think the glidecam would be "overkill" and a pain to balance... good to know you got it balanced - HD benefits A LOT from having a stable shooting platform over handheld, and these mini cameras present some unique challenges when EVERY tripod/steady/whatever dwarfs the camera itself!

Speaking of whacky things, I tried dropping a tape from the HC7 into my HV20... and vice versa. The strangest thing happened - the vid from the HV20 didn't look as good on the HC7 LCD as it did on the HV20 LCD, and the HC7 vid looked AWESOME on the HV20 LCD... I've come to the conclusion that the LCD on the HC7 leaves a lot to be desired, while the HV20 LCD really "pops" the visual perception... still testing the ACTUAL VIDEO QUALITY, but starting to think that the obvious difference between the LCD's on these two may be one of the things that makes HV20 owners so much more excited about that cam over the HC7...

I'm not seeing huge differences in the actual tape shot and dumped to Vegas to edit... in fact I think the HC7 with xvcolor on is getting a "truer" color balance in the purples and reds. Purples seem to be more vibrant (since my kids LOVE purple, this is IMPORTANT, at least until they grow out of it!), and the reds don't overdo it when comparing to the HV20. Still got more test footage to shoot, but the HC7 looks better and better to me, with the only "advantages" of the HV20 being 24P and better low light handling (and that not by "much", but enough to justify it as a tool).

I'm still spending time with the two cameras - the HC7 definitely is a more familiar and comfortable cam to me, and way better built - enjoy yours George! ...and fuggedabout that battery retainer!

DB>)