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Krystian Ramlogan
March 10th, 2007, 01:49 AM
This is a very visually stunning and exciting film. I'll hold back on major comments right now but there are strong artistic elements throughout the film and it offers a great ride.

Once more people have seen it we can chat on it some.

I'm definitely going to see it again!!

Krystian.

Gabriel Yeager
March 10th, 2007, 09:12 AM
Thanks Krystian! I have been waiting to hear what people thought of it here on DV info net. I did not go see it due to reading that it had a bit of nudity, is that true?

It did look like an awesome movie, and a very artistic one at that, like you said!

Thanks,
~Gabriel

Mike Horrigan
March 10th, 2007, 11:17 AM
It has some nudity and sexual content.

Overall, I loved it. Visually, I thought it was excellent. Definitely a fun ride, and I would see it again in a minute. The crowd I saw it with was VERY into it. Spontaneous clapping and cheering throughout.

Cheers,

Mike

Krystian Ramlogan
March 10th, 2007, 01:16 PM
There is some nudity, but it fits into the overall themes in the film; it's not overdone and is brief.

The crowd I was with were also into it and there were cheers and clapping at points where everyine were so into it you just had to show some emotion!!

The textures, colors, set design, lighting and compositions are all influenced by Clasical Art and there is a scene at the end which is very very painterly; don't want to say which to spoil it for anyone.

It's a very visceral and thrilling movie and I am going to see it again this weekend!!

It's not perfect, but we can talk more on that once more people get in on this discussion.

Mike Horrigan
March 10th, 2007, 01:48 PM
The textures, colors, set design, lighting and compositions are all influenced by Clasical Art and there is a scene at the end which is very very painterly; don't want to say which to spoil it for anyone.

I know what you mean. I actually found that there were a few scenes like that. Very well done, like a work of art.

I can point them out once some time has passed and more people have seen the movie.

Cheers,

Mike

Bob Thieda
March 11th, 2007, 03:40 PM
We just got back and I have to say we liked it very, very much....Stunning in fact!

At times it was to loud, but that's probably just our theater...or maybe I'm getting old. :)

Although I understand its was never intended to tell the true historic story, I was still somewhat distracted by my knowledge of what really happened.
But that's not the movies fault.

All and all, it well be added to my DVD collection for sure.

Bob T.

Dylan Couper
March 12th, 2007, 10:24 AM
The textures, colors, set design, lighting and compositions are all influenced by Clasical Art and there is a scene at the end which is very very painterly;

By "Classic Art" do you mean the comic book that it was based on? :)

Great cinematography, but we've seen enough visually stunning movies in the last few years that this doesn't really add anything new. The story is sparse (whops, nearly typed "spartan") with next to no plot outside the one we all know. Characters are fairly uh.... (damn it)... spartan....

And if I had to watch one more slow motion battle scene, I would have puked.

Overall, I did enjoy it, as it was chock full of whoop-ass, just really not worth a theater ticket, but most movies aren't these days.

John Vincent
March 12th, 2007, 12:32 PM
Well, here's my 2 cents:

Freedom, sex, violence, loyalty, betrayal, self-sacrifice, and love are just some of the multitude of subjects touched upon in Zack Snyder's amazing swords and sandals spectacle, "300." This film, along with CASINO ROYALE, returns the macho action film to the throne of movedom.

300 tells the story of the Battle of Thermopylae and of the king of the Spartans, Leonidas (played brilliantly by Gerard Butler, in his first break-out role) and 300 of the world's toughest soldiers. Based on Frank Miller's graphic novel, the film retains the book's sensibility, with it's over-the-top violence, hyper-real colors, camera angles, and just slighter-not-real look. But unlike SIN CITY, the "comic-ness" doesn't overwhelm the realism and humanity of the tale.

300 starts like it's spiritual father, CONAN THE BARBARIAN, with a narrator (David Wenham, VAN HELSING) telling of how Leonidas became the king he is. In terms of plot, the film is simple - 300 bad-asses defend their land and life against the largest army on earth. In terms of how this simple story of heroism speaks to the human condition, it is vastly intricate - and fun. Everyone else I spoke to who had seen the film felt as though they could've watched it immediately again, a testament not only to the state of the art story telling, but also the story.

Synder never let's the sfx (much of which is amazing amounts of blood shed in all of it's iron age glory) overwhelm the film, despite the fact that the entire film was shot on a blue screen stage. All of the characters seem real, and all of them are well acted. The sound design, editing, and music are also top notch. In terms of editing, Snyder invents a new manner of not cutting by using three cameras for each action shot, each one tied next to the other, each with a different focal plane. By using CG, he fades between the 3 angles, never cutting, providing the ultimate in "Hollywood Classic Narrative" by going from long shot, to medium shot, to close-up, all w/o a single cut. And all of this is magnified by the amazing fights going on during all of this; fights with characters you care about. Simply brillant film making.

Most impressive is Gerard Butler who, wearing little more than a loincloth, shield, and red cape, manages to make you believe that he is a king, and that he is a leader of the toughest S.O.B.'s in man-kind's bloody history. Simply put - he's great. The rest of the 300 are ripped, but not with steroids - they look strong, but realistically so. They seem like real men, something a man could possibly aspire to be.

When films like ROCKY, PREDATOR, CONAN, and FIRST BLOOD hit the cineplexs in the late 70's, early 80's, they brought in an era dominated by action stars and their films. They inspired a whole genration to hit the gym.

But these stars and films quickly got cheesy; they became too strong, too powerful - more super-human than human. Steroids came to dominate sports. Perhaps it was cynicism that led to the extinction of the action star for most of the 90's and the first half of this decade. Outside of LOTR, BRAVEHEART and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, there have been very few action films that could inspire in the last 15 years.

300, along with the new Bond, puts the action film, helmed by the new bred of action star, firmly back on its pedestal of most satisfying film. The action star, sans steroids, is back - in brillant bloody technicolor action film.

BOTTOM LINE: 5 outta 5 stars

Krystian Ramlogan
March 12th, 2007, 02:39 PM
Hey Dylan, I'm sure you were kidding, but by Classical Art I mean renaissance art and works from greek civilization. The color palette, the lighting and the compositions are all very reminiscent of paintings and sculptures which typify the greek period.

I disagree: this film does add a lot visually that we have not seen before, again the compositions and cinematography are very neo-classical and some shots are very painterly.

While I can agree that perhaps the slow-motion effect was overused, I believe that Mr. Snyder was going for a different feel and my personal opinion is a ballet-like pantomine for the battle scenes, poetry in motion, paying homage to the phsyicality of the battles in a way you can only appreciate in slow-motion.

How many times have you seen fight scenes with so many cuts, you could barely follow the lines of action?

I'm not saying the film is perfect, it isn't. And there are elements which remain sparse - you could have used this word you know :-) but this film, like the book is one man's interpretation of a historical event, not a documentary or exposition about historically accurate facts. I rather like this interpretation, but I understand at its core, it is not trying to be real in a way that maybe Blackhawk Down or Saving Private Ryan may have tried to emulate reality.

It's an exciting film and I am sure it will influence many filmmakers to go out there and reach for something new.

Just my 2c,

K.

Marlon Torres
March 12th, 2007, 07:00 PM
I loved every frame of this movie!

Dylan Couper
March 12th, 2007, 10:41 PM
It's an exciting film and I am sure it will influence many filmmakers to go out there and reach for something new.



It was damn sexy, I'll give it that. But beyond that, I didn't see anything outstanding.

Tony Tremble
March 23rd, 2007, 04:34 PM
I saw the film tonight.

I must say after reading the comments I wondered if I'd seen the same film as the previous posters.

The dialogue was about as bad as it gets. What a stinker of a film.

What is really worrying is that the director is charged with bringing The Watchmen, one of the truly great graphic novels, to screen. On this performance that looks like a disaster waiting to happen.

TT

Liam Hall
March 23rd, 2007, 06:47 PM
I haven't seen it yet, but I did hear a very funny review on the radio today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/entertainment/kermode.shtml

I don't always agree with Kermode's reviews, but he's always entertaining.

Enjoy.

Liam.

Chris C. Collins
April 5th, 2007, 03:01 PM
True eye candy, although I think it could have less cliche dialouge and more steadicam battle sequences!

Those were straight up insane! (I'm sure they're on YouTube wink wink)

Krystian Ramlogan
April 5th, 2007, 05:50 PM
I think you guys are forgetting the material is adapted from a comic book and as a translation into a film retains a lot of the characters comic book dialogue, hence the director can't take the blame squarely. Rather, the material must stand on its own merit here.

As for the Watchmen. It is also a comic book, I'm a fan, I did a short film last year based on it "Ink Blot" (you can see it on youtube, so, I am a filmmaker who just happens to be a big fan), and I believe Zack Snyder will do a great job and tell a good story based on the Graphic Novel - which is what he did with 300.

Neither 300 nor The Watchmen have modern dialogue that can translate into great character dialogue on screen "If you try to retain much of the Original Writing". It remains to be seen what direction the film will take, but I'll put my wish in for some updated dialogue.

Everyone has their likes and dislikes, I think 300 was fun and exciting film, which you can enjoy for at least a couple of sittings. How many other films can claim that?

Taken on the surface, it seems to be a popcorn flick but again, I say look at the compositions, the lighting, the textures, the grain and compare those to any other film out now or last year, or the year before. Nothing compares.

It is not perfect. The story and plot needed some work. The dialogue was anachonistic and not as lively as it could have been. But, I thought the film rocked and was a cut above Sin City, and it stands apart from the other Comic Book films by moving in a different direction visually. Definitely it was more enjoyable than Superman Returns, in my opinion.

Andy Graham
April 6th, 2007, 04:22 AM
IMO, these days you have two types of people ..... the meat and potatoes type and the sushi bar type.

300 is a meat and potatoes type of film, I love this film because it is based on fact. The line in the film where he says "we will fire a volly of arrows that will blot out the sun......then we willl fight in the shade" is a direct and true famous millitary quote , i remember being tought about it in school and it gave me goose bumps then . The Battle of Thermopylae is a true documented battle where 300 spartans fought a million persians to a standstill....it happened pretty much how they showd it in the film (obviously without some of the creatures) and to me as a man it is inspirational and in that respect its beyond criticism.

Andy.

Liam Hall
April 6th, 2007, 05:08 AM
I am neither meat nor potatoes nor sushi, but in my humble opinion there has never been a movie made that is beyond criticism.

I think it's also necessary to point out that this movie is an entertainment and not an historical reconstruction or educational film. It is after all based on a comic book and not a historical account. If it were based on fact they would have called it "1400" to reflect the 700 Thespians and 400 Thebans that fought alongside the Spartans.

Yes the battle of Thermopylae actually happened but do you seriously think it was conducted in such a homo-erotic manner?

Liam.

Andy Graham
April 6th, 2007, 06:14 AM
Yes the battle of Thermopylae actually happened but do you seriously think it was conducted in such a homo-erotic manner?

Liam.

Firstly to address your comment about it not bing a reconstruction or historical account.....humans have told stories of battles and such for thousands of years and filmmaking is just the modern way of telling tales the same way we have always done. This is a film based on the battle of Thermopylae just as the comic was based on the battle of Thermopylae and what they both do is remind us of the events that happened.....it may not be exact (enter the entertainment value) but let me draw your attention to religion..... there are many tales in all religions that cannot be exactly true but they may be based on real events and this is exactly the same.Its about people telling tales to keep the memory of the past.

Secondly yes i do think it would be conducted in a homo-erotic manner, classical studies is full of homosexuality....from emperors to commoners it was widley practiced. If you look at the origins of the olympics men in greek times or roman times for that matter would strip and rub olive oil on their bodies and then wrestl naked. War in those days was the province of men and subsiquently it had a homo- erotic air about it.

You can pick away at the technique the director used but the fundamentaly human need to tell stories of events is why in my opinion any film made about real events are untouchable because however bad the film is it serves its purpose just by reminding us of the real event.

Andy.

Jay Kavi
April 9th, 2007, 06:33 PM
Ok film. Visually great, but as previously said, the dialog and acting werent so hot. Also, the use (or overuse) of slow motion got old. My friend and I got into an hours deep argument about this, but my main gripe was the casting. The spartans (greeks) were anglo with english or scottish accents. And the "bad" guys were all ethnic looking. I'm not saying to movie was racist (the bad guys were coming from asia/africa) just inconsistent. they shoulda used real greeks.

Mark Kenfield
May 20th, 2007, 07:01 PM
I think 300 kicked all kinds of ass. I thought it was great. Easily the best sword and sandals film since Gladiator revived the genre back in 2000 IMHO. Its plot IS paper-thin and character development no thicker. But as an example of pure, beautifully shot, kickass spectacle goes - it's fantastic. I've seen it twice now (once on Imax) and it just gets the audience fired up. You remember it for different reasons to those you remember a film like Gladiator for, but you DO remember it.

Theodore McNeil
May 27th, 2007, 08:28 PM
I just saw it and ... As a piece of Art, it's awesome. As history, it's garbage.

Have to admit I found more fascist than homo-erotic.

Terry Lee
May 27th, 2007, 08:40 PM
Wonderful film. I think that the message lies within the feeling you get from the cinematography. Of corse this film should not be taken as a historical representation. It was a recreation of a comic book right?

Anyway, I think Zack did a wonderful job with this film.

Anyone know what cameras they used?

thanks.