Waiting for some footage of HV20. Hope someone gets hold of this cam and uploads some footage.
Rgrds

Hi Susan, you're in for a little bit of a wait... the HV20 won't be available for about two months yet.

Waiting for some footage of HV20. Hope someone gets hold of this cam and uploads some footage.
Rgrds

Susan, I suspect the footage will look virtually identical to the HV10. If you like that footage, you'll like the HV20. More features and better low-light.

Susan, I suspect the footage will look virtually identical to the HV10. If you like that footage, you'll like the HV20. More features and better low-light.
Here's a link to the HV10 footage...
http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/hd_cmos.shtml

That was HV10 footage. I am looking for hv20 footage, which I hope some Japanese sites, bring that up, from a pre-release model.

I'm pretty sure that the HV20 is going to become my first camera! I can't wait to get my hands on this thing...

That was HV10 footage. I am looking for hv20 footage, which I hope some Japanese sites, bring that up, from a pre-release model.
That's why I labeled it as HV10 footage. Just to give you some idea...

Don't expect the HV20 footage to look that different...

Mike

Both cameras use the exact same CMOS chip and image processor. Even their lens properties are the same. There won't be any difference between the two as far as the video is concerned... the readily available HV10 clip from Canon will give you a clear indication of what the HV20 will do.

The only "unknown" at this point is the 24p mode. Expect some downloadable video later on as we get closer to April.

Splitting these posts out as a separate thread...

I thought I saw something about the HV20 having a slightly lower lux rating for night-time shooting, and lower noise overall, than the HV10.

ok then, imagine HV10 footage slightly brighter with slightly less noise.

What about high motion scenes? I read on this forum that the HV10 was poor in these situations compared to the HC3 (wich also has the rolling shutter problem)

I don't know why, but I want it. Canon please stop.

What about high motion scenes? I read on this forum that the HV10 was poor in these situations compared to the HC3 (wich also has the rolling shutter problem)

24P is not going to help that! :)

Both cameras use the exact same CMOS chip and image processor. Even their lens properties are the same. There won't be any difference between the two as far as the video is concerned... the readily available HV10 clip from Canon will give you a clear indication of what the HV20 will do.That is correct. Canon advised me today that it will have the same quality as the HV-10 but in a rectangular shape. Again.....April release date.

The decision to change the shape was done by their marketing people. It appears consumers want the aformentioned shape over the vertical style. Personally, the vertical style fits my cycling and touring lifestyle. Nice and flat, small and compact.

That was the reason I sold my HC-1. Too bulky for my travel purposes.

i was thinking it would play closer to the PQ of a XHA1.

...it would play closer to the PQ of a XHA1.Nope -- it's the exact same sensor and almost the same lens as the HV10. Therefore it will be closer to the picture quality of the HV10, not the XH A1. The only thing it has in common with the A1 is the Digic DV processor.

In the right light under the right conditions (outdoors on a good day), it'll cut well with an A1. But so does the HV10 right now. Bottom line, between the HV10 and A1, the HV20 will be closer to the HV10. Hope this helps,

Nope -- it's the exact same sensor and almost the same lens as the HV10. Therefore it will be closer to the picture quality of the HV10, not the XH A1. The only thing it has in common with the A1 is the Digic DV processor.

But the same cine color mode based on the custom presets included with the Canon XH series. . .

Well, based on just one of them though. Preset #8 to be exact. And it's not exactly the same as the XH preset, either. Better to describe it as "inspired by" that one particular preset.

I haven't even started using my HV10, and I don't really care to replace it soon, but I hope that some of the features of the 20 will be available through firmware upgrade.
Does that make sense to anyone more familiar with the process than myself?

why i am optimistic about the PQ being closer to A1 is regarding the progressive
mode. that when compared with HV10's interlaced footage deinterlaced in post will result in softer image.

and comparable low light performance to A1 which should also boost shadow detail during day that would be super uber.

and comparable low light performance to A1 which should also boost shadow detail during day that would be super uber.well shadow detail in day really has very little to do with low-light performance.
shadow detail will be a function of things like sensor-latitude (same as HV10..), gamma curve (prob same as HV10), Digic processing (same as HV10) and, simply, the exposure used for the shot.

I think Chris said it very well - its similar optics and same CMOS sensor as HV10, so if you want to know what the video will look like, just look at HV10 footage. (which is really excellent).

XHA1 is 3-chip CCD, this is single-chip CMOS.
- Both HDV, but they arrive at the end-image by quite different paths.

ok thanks Stu, didn't know that.

i will move down from cloud 9 down to cloud 7.. still high!

HV20 sample footage, and Japanese review posted:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070207/zooma294.htm

Great, thanks! Here's a translated version -
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fav%2Fdocs%2F20070207%2Fzooma294.htm&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

I also located two other clips not listed on the page there that are worth grabbing -
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070207/ezsm2.mov
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070207/ezsm2.mov

Actually, in movie ezsm4.mov at the end where there's a sunset and it pans down over the bicycle. That looks glitchy. What would be causing that, the rolling shutter, OIS, or could it just be a bad tripod move? It's not a good sign if it's caused by the rolling shutter or OIS.

I also located two other clips not listed on the page there that are worth grabbing -
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070207/ezsm2.mov
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070207/ezsm2.mov

Actually, in movie ezsm4.mov at the end where there's a sunset and it pans .


Aren't both files the same? Is there any other link?

Those clips are on the page. There are 3 clips of the woman that are the same except for the different shooting modes used.

The ones on the page are 3, 4 and 5 if I remember correctly. The others that don't appear are 1 & 2.. Sorry I just posted 2 twice. Just different shots of the girl with different settings. Looks good.