http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Canon-HV20-High-Definition-Camcorder/sem/rpsm/oid/171434/catOid/-13063/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

First time I've seen this anywhere...

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. I would have passed this off as being a typo, but the description is slightly different than the HV10. The specs for the still capture pixel count is different and it mentions HDMI and a microphone input. Still weighs less than a pound though...hmm.

I could hardly believe my eyes when I found it...

Also the HV10 uses a CCD imager if I'm not mistaken. This page lists a CMOS imager.

Also the HV10 uses a CCD imager if I'm not mistaken. This page lists a CMOS imager.


HV10 uses a CMOS.

Hmmm....


strange, on that very site they have the HV10 at $1299 and the HV20 at $1099 ?

The info on that site is pretty patchy, have a look at the specs for the HV10 against the HV20, there are plenty of errors in the HV10 specs.

I think it is an error, but I may be wrong.

HV10 spec (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Specifications-of-Canon-HV10-High-Definition-Camcorder/sem/rpsm/oid/160294/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do#tabs)

HV20 spec (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Specifications-of-Canon-HV20-High-Definition-Camcorder/sem/rpsm/oid/171434/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do#tabs)

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Canon-HV20-High-Definition-Camcorder/sem/rpsm/oid/171434/catOid/-13063/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Is this a typo or not?

probably a typo because DVI would post info about HV20 before someone like CC gets info about it =D.

It might not be a typo.....

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/25/canons-hv20-hd-camcorder-leaked/

But I figured we would have heard something from canon, DVI, or Camcorder Info first??

For sure there will be a new HV20 coming soon.
Canon have to take high the competition against the new Sony HC7.

Reason why still there are no news from Canon is obvious: they have to sell in the meantime the HV10............

probably a typo because DVI would post info about HV20 before Circuit City gets info about it.Don't be so sure about that... DV Info Net has never made a priority of being first to get news out on the web. That kind of glory is fleeting. What matters more is to get the information right. That's what we do here. But thanks for the compliment anyway.

That kind of glory is fleeting.

Chris, would this not have been a great opportunity to haul out "sic transit gloria mundi" because let's face it, there's just not enough Latin in use here at DVI (in other words, carpe diem!)

We should all be commiserating with the web page desinger who inadvertantly posted that page... probably is getting a pink slip if this is a release of actual information.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Canon-HV20-High-Definition-Camcorder/sem/rpsm/oid/171434/catOid/-13063/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Is this a typo or not?

Someone screwed up because that link will tell you the page has been removed or deleted. DOH!

-gb-

Well, if the low light performance is any better than the HV10 and there is a mic jack, I might just replace my HV10. Might.

has this ever happened before? meaning, news broke of a brand new product that DVI-er's haven't read about for months? is there an example of that? just looking at our track record that's all =D. it's been pretty good, no?

Don't be so sure about that... DV Info Net has never made a priority of being first to get news out on the web. That kind of glory is fleeting. What matters more is to get the information right. That's what we do here. But thanks for the compliment anyway.

if it does 25f then Ill defo upgrade mine - HDMI and mic in are ncie to have for me rather than essential

Circuit city has removed the page, probably on purpose... Google only managed to cache the category page, unfortunately:

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:taNbAnJ26AEJ:www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Camcorders/sem/rpsm/catOid/-13063/N/20013061%2B20013063%2B40000857/link/ref/rpem/ccd/categorylist.do+hv20+site:www.circuitcity.com&hl=nl&gl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=1

You never know when Google erases it, so for those who haven't seen or can't see it anymore, it just says:
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Canon HV20 High-Definition Camcorder
•MiniDV
•High-definition recording
•CMOS technology •10x optical zoom
•2.7" wdescreen LCD
•Digital stills
$1099.99
Coming soon
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Do some of you still have the specs page, possibly in your browser cache? Remember to set it to "Browse offline" first. Posting it here directly would help :)

I for one hope they didn't make anything in the optical path smaller or otherwise lower-spec. Canon have a record of doing so in follow-up models. And then we get to blame the 'marketing department' :)

Somebody will be advised that they should not have put any reseller bulletin information before the April anouncement. That's why it is off the web.

Anyway....................same specs with a HDMI output.

The mic input would be huge for me. Did anyone actually see that in the specs?

Mic input was listed on the Circuit City page but that doesn't mean it'll happen of course, but it sure would be nice.

I think the wording on the ad was "mic terminal". It also listed "IEE1394 firewall".

I've got some information on this.

- It has 1/2 inch native 1920 x1080p CMOS progressive imaging sensor
- Variable frame rates, also 24F,25F,30F,60F 1080p mode
- XLR input
- Super-Slow-Mo mode
- Improved Low Light sensitivity
- LCD screen resolution is doubled
- User selectable Gain
- HDMI 1.3
- Captures to tape in 4:4:4
- Battery life tripled

Other than that it's not much different ;)

I'll bet "captures to tape in 4:4:4" is misinformation. Canon will announce new cameras when they're ready; moving this thread to Area 51 for now.

I've got some information on this.

- It has 1/2 inch native 1920 x1080p CMOS progressive imaging sensor
- Variable frame rates, also 24F,25F,30F,60F 1080p mode
- XLR input
- Super-Slow-Mo mode
- Improved Low Light sensitivity
- LCD screen resolution is doubled
- User selectable Gain
- HDMI 1.3
- Captures to tape in 4:4:4
- Battery life tripled

Other than that it's not much different ;)


If the above is true...

then it looks like I will be spending some more $ that I don't really have. :(

However, you are probably just stirring up the hornets nest here because that upgraded feature list sounds too good to be true.

;)

Tom, your homour would seem a little too subtle for some !!

:)

I like the fact that they have gone fully progressive and halved the price.

However, you are probably just stirring up the hornets nest here because that upgraded feature list sounds too good to be true.

You know what they say, if it sounds too good it probably is! chuckle

Tom, your homour would seem a little too subtle for some !!

:)

I like the fact that they have gone fully progressive and halved the price.

And tripled the battery life! :)

booooooooooooo!

I really was hoping the - Super-Slow-Mo mode was true!

It seems as though Canon is doing a publicity stunt because a few days ago, the words EOS-40D accidentally popped up and now this. An accident of this nature is one thing, but two within a few days?

This reminds me when the FX7 popped up in a European retailer site and the difference then is that Sony never told the site to take it down.

By the way, the camcorder will indeed have HDMI 1.3 compliant output.

I just hope its Bigger than the HV10, this cam should be more like the size of the SR1 or UX1, You'd get more stable images.

Mmm...personally, I feel like all of the tradeoffs in a camera like this are justified by the tiny size, so you can pocket it when necessary. It's pretty easy to build a camera out when you need it to be bigger with a 3rd party shoulder mount etc.

Just having the camera bigger is better. HV10 footage without a tripod looks just too amateur. And honestly... who'd carry a tripod in a once-in-a lifetime recording?

Here is a picture of it.
http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/index.shtml
It was already posted in the Area 51 section.

It looks like it wont have a focusing ring.

^I still seriously think that's an HV10, an HV20 should look like the Optura Xi in my opinion.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/images/articles/canon-optura-xi-camcorder-review-3.jpg

Since the HV20 was announced on Canon Japan's site late last night (and yes it does look sort of like an Optura Xi), I think it's safe to move this thread from Area 51 to our HV10 (and HV20) forum. No need to keep it open though. I'm sure the HV20 will (eventually) come back to the Circuit City pages. Thanks all,