James Cumpsty
January 4th, 2007, 06:33 AM
Hi Guys (first post here)
Thanks for a wonderful resource, I have learnt just about everything I needed to shoot recently here.
I had been lurking over at DVXuser for a while before I found that Canon were bringing out this camera (I got to pick it up at IBC2006 and decided then and there). Though to be honest if Sony had got the V1 out first I might have gone the other way. (I have a HC3 for fun days out, and poss 2nd camera)
Just thought I would jot down some things that I have gleaned that might be useful to other new purchasers. I live in PAL land and am very happy that 25F is a viable option on this machine. Plus the only way I used to get 16x9 was by cropping deliberately wide things for the web using tools in Premiere (shooting on an old VX1000).
I have Premiere Pro2 so with the patch at Adobe, I could start straight away editing in this format(25F). After I had captured of course.
To do this I tried out the Aspect HD Intermediate Codec Free Trial (which is a standalone capture utility & presets for Premiere Capture too). I was suitably impressed, I bought it before the time ran out. It just takes the worry out of editing and the scare stories of MPEG2 editing. Not sure how it works, but on my machine, not a glitch. I needed to shoot something the weekend that I got the camera (I wonder how often purchase decisions are governed by how desperately we want/need things?). I live in the sticks - so rental isn't really an option for me. It was a little music video - no budget. So 2x500w work lights from Homebase, tripod, makeshift case (didn't want to carry it in the box!), standard miniDV tapes (TDK ME) and I was ready to go. Takes were almost guaranteed to be 4 mins 20secs as that is a bit of top/tail, essentially the length of the song. That was good as I didn't want to go over the 4(ish)GB limit of a standard DVD. (Might want to archive or supply another compositor with certain takes).
Wanted to get the highest possible quality to test system, I opted to capture into a computer on the day as well as to tape.
Time was tight, so I didn't get a chance to test it thoroughly, but went with my laptop and a Freecom USB2 400Gb external drive hanging off it (brand new, so expecting peak performance). Now this is some 'laptop' - it has a 20" screen, it is infact a movable desktop really - Dell XPS 2010. It's a Duo Processor (not the latest, but recent) a 5400 100Gb (System
Drive) 1Gb Ram etc...XP Media operating system. Mini Firewire socket. Looked into the DV Rack monitoring and scope things, but in the end just went with the Zebras and built in monitor on camera. No decent sound needed as it was just miming to the pre-recorded track. Firewire to firewire cable attached, computer on, camera on (Preset Library loaded from here), Project settings in Premiere adjusted, and away we went. No problems at all.... Was hoping that I would be recording uncompressed (am still not sure if this is the case...) White room, white furniture, tiny movement in 30% of screen - 5-6mb per sec (55563kbps)? in CineForm 10-bit Visually Perfect HD (source Gspot
v2.60)
Can this be right?
Maybe with camera pans etc it would get up to 25mb (which is what I was
expecting...) though in 5mins that is 2gb.
Took the Manual with me, but didn't really want to get it out in front of the already nervous 'talent'. So AGC was on(opps), and I think I dialed in the colour temp in K rather than the AWB (thank goodness) set the f-stop at 2.8 (but was Aperture Priority, rather than Manual, so the shutter might have wandered round the 25-50-75-100 sort of range.. You only make mistakes once eh?) Set the Camera recording to tape - then start the capture in Premiere. Playback on computer screen elicits 'ohhs' from helper and singer, comments about it not looking like 'video' abound.
Great - rough edit some of the clips together (at the shoot itself) Just line up the peaks in the sound files to the *.wav talent has been miming to For a quick, very rough edit, I used Multicam feature in Premiere Pro. Stack the files you want to use. Drag this sequence into another sequence, right click and select enable Multicam... Cut it by sense of smell (no audio to be heard... for some reason). Decide 'we got it'. Everyone happy. Wait for lights to cool down. The next bit was back at home (it takes a few hours - some of this) Render an *.AVI/AspectHD uncompressed of that timeline, apply Magic Bullet 'Look' to that one - render it and output to another uncompressed AVI, drop it into Vegas - output to Tape from there (it creates a m2T file for you before starting your deck/camera) out it goes to archive. Delete the huge files you just made....
A simpler way is to use Canopus Procoder 2 - you have quite a few controls over the look - though not as generic or wide as Magic Bullet. Plus it will render a higher quality m2T (I think) and deliver a whole host of web sizes/bit rates at the same time. I have found that it is quicker to make an AVI to work from rather than working directly from the timeline (which seems to take forever) Make a H.264 Quicktime of a four minute song = 30mb and post it up at Youtube.com - send the talent a link and get comments.
Ignore comments. Plug away at it so the song benefits the visuals not the other way round! :)
Do the component outs going through a BlackMagic card deliver better
(larger) files than the HDV socket? My laptop has a PCI Express slot and this looks like a way to go. Is it worth it from this source? (Is it straight, no compression 1920-1080?)
Thanks again for a great community
Thanks for a wonderful resource, I have learnt just about everything I needed to shoot recently here.
I had been lurking over at DVXuser for a while before I found that Canon were bringing out this camera (I got to pick it up at IBC2006 and decided then and there). Though to be honest if Sony had got the V1 out first I might have gone the other way. (I have a HC3 for fun days out, and poss 2nd camera)
Just thought I would jot down some things that I have gleaned that might be useful to other new purchasers. I live in PAL land and am very happy that 25F is a viable option on this machine. Plus the only way I used to get 16x9 was by cropping deliberately wide things for the web using tools in Premiere (shooting on an old VX1000).
I have Premiere Pro2 so with the patch at Adobe, I could start straight away editing in this format(25F). After I had captured of course.
To do this I tried out the Aspect HD Intermediate Codec Free Trial (which is a standalone capture utility & presets for Premiere Capture too). I was suitably impressed, I bought it before the time ran out. It just takes the worry out of editing and the scare stories of MPEG2 editing. Not sure how it works, but on my machine, not a glitch. I needed to shoot something the weekend that I got the camera (I wonder how often purchase decisions are governed by how desperately we want/need things?). I live in the sticks - so rental isn't really an option for me. It was a little music video - no budget. So 2x500w work lights from Homebase, tripod, makeshift case (didn't want to carry it in the box!), standard miniDV tapes (TDK ME) and I was ready to go. Takes were almost guaranteed to be 4 mins 20secs as that is a bit of top/tail, essentially the length of the song. That was good as I didn't want to go over the 4(ish)GB limit of a standard DVD. (Might want to archive or supply another compositor with certain takes).
Wanted to get the highest possible quality to test system, I opted to capture into a computer on the day as well as to tape.
Time was tight, so I didn't get a chance to test it thoroughly, but went with my laptop and a Freecom USB2 400Gb external drive hanging off it (brand new, so expecting peak performance). Now this is some 'laptop' - it has a 20" screen, it is infact a movable desktop really - Dell XPS 2010. It's a Duo Processor (not the latest, but recent) a 5400 100Gb (System
Drive) 1Gb Ram etc...XP Media operating system. Mini Firewire socket. Looked into the DV Rack monitoring and scope things, but in the end just went with the Zebras and built in monitor on camera. No decent sound needed as it was just miming to the pre-recorded track. Firewire to firewire cable attached, computer on, camera on (Preset Library loaded from here), Project settings in Premiere adjusted, and away we went. No problems at all.... Was hoping that I would be recording uncompressed (am still not sure if this is the case...) White room, white furniture, tiny movement in 30% of screen - 5-6mb per sec (55563kbps)? in CineForm 10-bit Visually Perfect HD (source Gspot
v2.60)
Can this be right?
Maybe with camera pans etc it would get up to 25mb (which is what I was
expecting...) though in 5mins that is 2gb.
Took the Manual with me, but didn't really want to get it out in front of the already nervous 'talent'. So AGC was on(opps), and I think I dialed in the colour temp in K rather than the AWB (thank goodness) set the f-stop at 2.8 (but was Aperture Priority, rather than Manual, so the shutter might have wandered round the 25-50-75-100 sort of range.. You only make mistakes once eh?) Set the Camera recording to tape - then start the capture in Premiere. Playback on computer screen elicits 'ohhs' from helper and singer, comments about it not looking like 'video' abound.
Great - rough edit some of the clips together (at the shoot itself) Just line up the peaks in the sound files to the *.wav talent has been miming to For a quick, very rough edit, I used Multicam feature in Premiere Pro. Stack the files you want to use. Drag this sequence into another sequence, right click and select enable Multicam... Cut it by sense of smell (no audio to be heard... for some reason). Decide 'we got it'. Everyone happy. Wait for lights to cool down. The next bit was back at home (it takes a few hours - some of this) Render an *.AVI/AspectHD uncompressed of that timeline, apply Magic Bullet 'Look' to that one - render it and output to another uncompressed AVI, drop it into Vegas - output to Tape from there (it creates a m2T file for you before starting your deck/camera) out it goes to archive. Delete the huge files you just made....
A simpler way is to use Canopus Procoder 2 - you have quite a few controls over the look - though not as generic or wide as Magic Bullet. Plus it will render a higher quality m2T (I think) and deliver a whole host of web sizes/bit rates at the same time. I have found that it is quicker to make an AVI to work from rather than working directly from the timeline (which seems to take forever) Make a H.264 Quicktime of a four minute song = 30mb and post it up at Youtube.com - send the talent a link and get comments.
Ignore comments. Plug away at it so the song benefits the visuals not the other way round! :)
Do the component outs going through a BlackMagic card deliver better
(larger) files than the HDV socket? My laptop has a PCI Express slot and this looks like a way to go. Is it worth it from this source? (Is it straight, no compression 1920-1080?)
Thanks again for a great community