New Canon HD footage up:
http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/index.shtml

Well... half of it at least. I'm really amazed that the microscopic HV10 1-CMOS looks as good as it does!

Moved here from Canon XH forum.

The direct link is http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/hd_cmos.shtml

Files are H.264 video in QT7 format.

Cheesy content - bad compression - '1080' files rendered at 1629*916 (?) - and all the samples are progressive (which as we know is omething the HV10 does not do)

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Lee, you're being too harsh IMO. I think the clips give someone not acquainted with the HV10 an idea as to its quality. Frankly I think the clips don't show the real sharpness & resolution the unit is capable of, but it does give an idea as to its potential.

Tough crowd.

All it is is footage showing the cam's capabilities.

Tough crowd.

All it is is footage showing the cam's capabilities.

LOL I agree it's not supposed to be some masterpiece or motion picture. In some ways I like the more amateur look as that's what / how the camcorder will be used by most people.

The large and medium links would not download for me using Safari. The "small" clip looked amazingly good considering the camera, although it choked my Mac G4 on playback.

Suffice is to say that when looking at these clips many would confuse the results with a far more expensive professional camera. I just did a very brief shootout between an FX7 and my HV10. I've been considering the FX7 as a replacement for my VX2000. Amazingly (I shouldn't be amazed at this point), the HV10 actually showed less noise and looked a tad more polished than the FX7. The FX7 showed a bit of edge enhancement that Sony always seems to like to enhance the 'apparent' sharpness. The HV10 simply looked a bit more professional with its amazingly low noise floor and absence of edge enhancement. This is certainly not to say the FX7 looked bad, it looked very good and I believe by lowering the sharpness of the FX7 you could probably get rid of that edge enhancement. Also surprising was how close the color rendition of both cameras was despite the fact that one is a 3-chip and the other a 1 chip. Go figure.

But the more I see and use the HV10 the more I continue to be floored by the picture it produces.

Tough crowd.

All it is is footage showing the cam's capabilities.


:) I am mean I know !!! :)


What is wrong with giving the consumer a sample of what comes out of the product that they would buy. The H.264 compression although very good as a codec lets the quality down a little, the resolution of the 1080 sample is in fact 916 not 1080 (!!!) and all the samples are progressive and not interlaced.

Take my comments with a pinch of salt, I am a the proud father of a HV10, it is just I have seen better, more representative and impressive samples from people right here on this forum.

I played the 720P on my computer with Gateway 21" widescreen HD monitor, and it looked very good. Almost convinced me to buy this camera, EXCEPT that it doesn't make up for this camera's lack of an external mike input and accessory shoe.

Well, Mark, you're in luck!

From B&H Photo:

Canon HV10 - $999
Zoom H4 Field Sound Recorder - $300
2gb Lexar SD Card for the H4 - (about) $100

Total - $1,400

About the same price as just the HV10 from most stores (ie. Best Buy, Fry's, ect.)

Well, Mark, you're in luck!

From B&H Photo:

Canon HV10 - $999
Zoom H4 Field Sound Recorder - $300
2gb Lexar SD Card for the H4 - (about) $100

Total - $1,400

About the same price as just the HV10 from most stores (ie. Best Buy, Fry's, ect.)

Wow, $999 for this cam has got to be the biggest steal in my video career. Absolutely unreal!

buy a XDCAM for 10 or a F900 for 100 times the HV10 price, buddy ;)

I was wondering when they'd get round to it Is on same page as the HV10 clips

http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/hd_cmos.shtml

I was wondering when they'd get round to it Is on same page as the HV10 clips

http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/hd_cmos.shtml

Thanks Steven. Strange... description said there was some outdoor shots in the first vid but I didn't see any, just the footage of the club. Also, it looked like they were using a Brevis or something in the second vid.

Yes, I noticed the HV20 clips there late last week. A bit disapointing that they're all shot in the club, but at least the girl looks good.

I'm confused with the HV20 clip that is in 1080p. HV20 is capable of 1080i, correct? Or does Canon deinterlaced the clip and post them as 1080p?

It DOES shoot at 1080P, and 1080i.

I was wondering when they'd get round to it Is on same page as the HV10 clips

http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/hd_cmos.shtml

Anyone notice a continuity error in that movie? I think I did, but I'll wait to see what others say.

-gb-

It DOES shoot at 1080P, and 1080i.

How can I select between 1080i and 1080p in HV20? Thanks

Go to Menu > Rec / In Setup > HD Standard > HDV(PF24). See page 38 of the operator's manual.

That's what toggles between 1080i60 and 1080p24 in this camcorder. Hope this helps,

Go to Menu > Rec / In Setup > HD Standard > HDV(PF24). See page 38 of the operator's manual.

That's what toggles between 1080i60 and 1080p24 in this camcorder. Hope this helps,

From the manual, it says
"HDV(PF24): High-definition video at 1080i specifications for recording with a progressive frame rate of 24fps."

Does that mean if I record in HDV24p, I can drop it to a HDV30p timeline to do editing? Or do I need to do the pulldown removal then edit in a HDV24p timeline?

Thanks

Taky

There's a process you have to do to get the 24p out of the HV20. There's a bunch of threads on the topic, mostly involving either After Effects or Cinema Tools.

I played the 720P on my computer with Gateway 21" widescreen HD monitor, and it looked very good. Almost convinced me to buy this camera, EXCEPT that it doesn't make up for this camera's lack of an external mike input and accessory shoe.

In followup to the above, which I posted a while back, I ultimately bought the Canon HV20, which has the accessory shoe and mike input.

Moved here from Canon XH forum.

The direct link is http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/hd_cmos.shtml

Files are H.264 video in QT7 format.

Comment from a video newbie, who has never owned a video camera- and who intends most likely to buy a Canon HV-20. I happened to check out that Canon web site. It was the first time I've downloaded such files- previously only looking at YouTube videos. I wanted to see how well they'd play on my fairly high end PC.

The SD and 720 looked perfect. The 1080 was crystal clear but a bit jerky in places- the more motion the more jerkiness. I presume that jerkiness wasn't in the video but was because my PC isn't powerful enough to show it without skipping frames?

I have a Dell with Intel Core 6400 (2.13 GHz)- 2 gigs of ram, a Dell 24" flat screen monitor which has a native res of 1920X1200. The video card is an NVIDIA GeForce 7900 with 256 MB onboard ram. OS is Vista Ultimate.

What I'm concerned about is- when I record 1080i with the HV-20 and try editing it- will that jerkiness make it difficult to edit?

Thanks,
Joe

Hey all,

The HG10 sample footage on this Canon USA seethedifference page looks very good to me, but I have a question about it. (I am a new owner of the camera trying to learn how to get the best possible results from it.)

http://downloads.canon.com/seethedifference/HG10/hg10_w_bug-canon_10mbps-1920x1080-movie.mov

http://downloads.canon.com/seethedifference/HG10/hg10_w_bug-canon_2600_kbps_no_deinterlace-1280x720-movie.mov

At about 4:10 in the clip, a graphic comes up saying "HG10 24p Cinema mode", which I assume means that the footage prior to that was shot in 60i and then deinterlaced (since Apple Compressor tells me that these clips are progressive).

Notice that the Canon sample clips have a striking lack of interlace artifacts (i.e., venetian blinds and stairstepping) compared to 60i footage right out of the camera, e.g., see clips posted in this thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=101059 -- i.e., any of the 60i clips in http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/.)

When I try deinterlacing my HG10 60i footage in Compressor using its "spare-no-expense" settings (Resize Filter: Best, Output fields: Progressive, Deinterlace: Best - for the Apple users among you) the results are not nearly as good, not to mention that it takes forever. (I realize that the results depend on the type and amount of motion in the clip; as I compare my results to Canon USA's, I am taking that into account and limiting the comparison to footage with similar content and motion.)

So my question is, to you HG10/HV20 owners, if you are able to get 1080/30p results you feel are comparable to (or better than) the Canon samples, what is your workflow?

FYI: I am able to get comparable results to Canon's 24p Cinema mode footage by shooting 24p and using Apple's "1080p24 workflow for the Canon HV20 Camcorder". So my question is specifically about 1080p30 workflow.

Thanks!