Thanks Pasquale, Sedona is an old stomping ground for me. In 1968 before slide rock was open to the public it was an abandoned homestead. Lot's of apples we used to film there on old 16mm. Anyway...

I still was not able to find the specific answer to a simple question. Does Motion have a setting for HDV 1080 24P in it's drop down box for settings? If so...where?

I posted this question a week ago but I think it got lost. I am still trying to get an answer.

I don't see a preset for importing an HDV 1080 24P clip into Motion directly. All kinds of other settings but not "HDV 1080 24P". Anyone know if there is a setting? If so, how to do HDV 1080 24P in Motion, is it possible or is there another way for this to be done I am missing? Thanks

John,
Just chose 'custom setting' from the drop-down menu after selecting 'Start with new project'. You can select your frame rate and resolution there. You can also save the custom setting so next time it'll appear in the drop-down menu.

Hope that helps,

Liam.

Thanks Liam
I will go and check that out this morning. Waiting to see some more on your website too.
John

Anyone know if you can get reversed telecined 24p footage (Cinema Tools used to remove 3:2 pulldown from Canon HV20 24p footage) to work in a FCP 1080/24p timeline without rendering.
I am mixing footage from a Canon Xh-A1 and the new HV20 and on of the two must be rendered to work together.
I capture the Xh-A1 24f footage using the 1080/24p easy setup (HDV capture preset) and it captures well as 23.98 fps HDV footage.
I capture the HV20 footage using the HDV Apple Int. Codec which makes it 29.97 fps HDV 1080/60i. I then reverse telecine with Cinema Tools that footage to 23.98fps and it looks and runs great.
But if I put it in my 1080/24p timeline I still have to render it. If try and capture the Xh-A1 footage with HDV AIC it captures only at 29.97fps.
Is this maybe a fix that will come along with the next FCP version?
Help please.
Ryan

It seems they are talking about this here on the second page:

http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=89642&page=3&highlight=hv20+footage+24p

Has anyone tried yet?
For some time, I've wanted an easy way to take some 1080i60 HDV footage, and slow it down to 24p to use in my 24p timeline, and it produce smooth slow motion effects, as if it was shot 60p and slowed to 24p.

Previously, this was a time and space consuming method that involved After Effects (which I don't have).

If anyone has any feedback, or would be willing to give this a shot, I would greatly appreciate it.

FYI, I use a Canon XH A1.

I'm not positive but would you not use motion 3 to do this?

use the nattress plugin

Okay, I was messing around with footage I shot on both the XH-A1 and the HV20 both in 24p mode.

I set up a sequence in FCP that was 1440x1080 HD 24fps using ProRes 422

I brought in footage from the A1 and it immediately recognized the 24 fps giving me only the green band render above the timeline. 24 progressive frames. Next I dragged some footage from the HV20 as a fluke to see what it would look like. To my surprise I didn't notice any interlace lines, nor did I notice any strange cadence stutter. It looked just like the A1 footage. Straight 24fps video.

Are my eyes deceiving me? Has anyone else attempted this?

I'll give it a shot. The green render line is dependant on your processor power. Did you frame by frame step through the clip? No iipppiippp?

I frame by framed the clip. I didn't see any interlace lines as far as I could tell. Granted it's on a 20 inch imac in a 4 inch window, but the lines should be fairly obvious right? What else should I look for in the clip?

Hmm, I guess one way to find out would be to export the clip in 24p watch it at a higher res... DOH!

I feel supremely stupid... it's been a long day.

use the nattress plugin

I did try this. Didn't seem to work well. Can you recommend any settings?

No, it doesn't.

But here is a VERY streamlined way of doing it in FCP/Cinematools.....

1) Capture in FCP use Apple Intermediate Codec.
(Doing this saves a step and a great deal of time.)

2) If captured as HDV, then you must export to AIC, DVCPro HD, or other intraframe codec
(If you do step 1 you don't have to do step 2)

3) Secondary (right click) click on the captured footage and "Open in Editor." Find the first of 3p frames for the start and then find the last of 2i frames for the finish. "Edit/Trim to Selection."

4) Save that as a self-contained QT mov.

5) Open saved file in Cinematools. Reverse telecine button at bottom.
Capture Mode = Field 1 - Field 2
Fields = DD
File = New Smaller
Frames = 23.98

6) Save file and re-import into FCP.

That's as streamlined as you can get. If you have a bunch of clips you can "Batch" them and save some more time. Put all the clips you want in a folder then "Batch." But for some reason you have to select "Field 2 - Field 1." Don't know why.

Hi all, Yes I am another person confused by 24p. My hope is that you anwer this and we will have an easy thread for newbies like myself in similar circumstances to find.

I shoot Wedding Videos. They are burned to DVD.

The problem: I shot my project in 24p.
I did not shoot in 24p advanced (24p advanced is sometimes referred to as 24pa)

I am using Final Cut Studio

How do I capture this? I have tried the Easy Setup: DV-NTSC 24p (23.98) It does not look right. in the viewer, it repeats a frame every 4 frames. In the canvas, it's appears heavily interlaced. Also in the canvas it looks like it's going at 28 frames a second.


Secondly, should I just record in 24pa from now on? Then I can just use the advanced pulldown removal in the easy set up. Is this correct knowing that I will be using DVD Studio Pro to burn my final project?

I want to make sure that when I use the slowmotion feature when editing, I am not repeating a frame every 4 frames.

Sorry for being redundant. I know this has been covered. I have read the threads using search, but I am still confused.

compressor can handle the pulldown removal as well. i've been capturing to hdv60i and then using compressor to remove pulldown and output to hdv24p, saves a lot of space, and i haven't had any issues, at least with the pulldown removal, sound sync is a different story...and different thread...

Ok, after more searching, I finally found the answer in the "Non-Linear Editing on the Mac" forum.

Here is the link:
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?p=551796

It was harder then heck to find. I think it would be good if we left this thread here for others to easily find.

If you search for 24p and time code, you get pages of results. Most of them say "we covered this in another thread." Of course no one provides hyperlinks, or anything. Hopefully this will make it easy to find. I have learned some more stuff that will make it easy for a newbie to 24p get started on the right track. I will do a write up tomorrow.

This is for XL2 owners that use Final Cut Pro.

I'm no expert, so please someone chime in if there is a better way.

If you have recorded your footage using 24p and you have NOT selected the advanced pulldown (2:3:3:2) then just capture your footage in Final Cut Pro using the DV-NTSC (Found in the easy set up). If you shot in 16:9, then use the DV-NTSC Anamorphic setting in easy setup.

So in otherwords, just capture it as if you shot it in 60i. Don't try to capture it using any of the 24p capture settings. They won't work.


Ok, so now you have your footage on the scratch disk. You will notice that every fourth frame is repeated. Now you must use Cinema Tools to get rid of the repeated fourth frame and get you to the 24p.

Open Cinema Tools. Hit Cancel when it asks you to open a database. Go to the menu bar. Select 'File', then go down to "Batch Reverse Telecine..."
Now simply find the first mov file on your scratch disk. You only have to select one. Cinema Tools will change all of them for you, preserving your originals and puting them in convienient folders on your scratch disk. If you have not already press the choose button. on the next screen, make sure it says "Conform to 23.98", "File: New (smaller)", and "keep originals". Press ok, and Cinema Tools will go to work for you. Now go get something to eat, play with your dog, watch an episode of star trek...

Your almost done and ready to edit.

Open up Final Cut Pro. In easy setup, choose "Cinema Tools 23.98fps From DV NTSC" You will need to start a new sequence before the setting will take effect (File > New > Sequence)

Import your new mov files by going to File > Import > Files. The new mov files are in the "reversed" folder.

Like I said, this is how I did it. Not saying it's the best or only way, but my footage looks great, no visible interlacing and is in 24 frames a second (no repeated frames)

It was harder then heck to find. I think it would be good if we left this thread here for others to easily find.



This topic is about 24P editing on the Mac and does not belong in the XL2 forum.

So remember, if you are going to edit in the 24p timeline, use the advance pulldown (2:3:3:2) when you record.

So, I finally figured out how to take my 60i footage to super-slow 24p.
Nattress plugin. Guess I'm buying it tomorrow.

Test clip here:

480p:
http://www.paradigmpictures.net/video/60ito24p.mov

Just started to edit a documentary I been shooting and I got some problems and some questions. :)

Im using Fcp6 and I captured my 24F material from my XH-A1 using 1080p24.

Anyway when I have like 30 tapes of material I like to cut it down and get rid of all the stuff I dont need. So I been editing the material down and now I want to put it back on tape again. Here I have problems.

I have 1 hour of material that I want to output on a minidv using the xh-a1 in vcr mode. When I use print to video it works fine but after 13 minutes of material the camera stop getting signal or something (no video just blue). Anyone have an idea what to do. I got a fast seagate 500gig external HD and its nothing wrong with the cords. Loads of clips though.

I also want to store this one hour material as an video file on my computer without loosing any quality (for storage). Should I just make an self contained quicktime with current setting (it doesnt lose any quality that way right?) or should I use the prores 422 or something else?

Thanks :o)

I will bump this question cause I still havent be able to fix it. :(

Everytime I print something to video my XH-A1 will record footage for around 10 min and then it will lose connection or something. The screen on camera just become blue/black. Starting to think there is a problem with the camera.

Hi I have some footage that I shoot in 24p Advance in 16:9 anamorphic with a AG-DVX100 with a 16:9 lens. I am using FC6 and in the capture settings for DV I used the Advance pull down removal and the material it is in 23.98 but is shows ian a 4:3 aspect ratio. I create a sequence and check the Anamorphic box but when I put the video on the timeline it doesn't stretch to 16:9. I tried using the Anamorphic DV capture preset and it displays as 16:9 but I don't get the Pulldown Removal!!! My fix is to go the motion tab in the clips and adjusting the aspect ratio setting to 0 for the clips that I used the pulldown removal capture mode. This is a Feature Length movie and I don't want to imagine I have to adjust the aspect ratio setting for each clips!!(that will be in the hundreds) Is there's a Setting That I can Get the Pulldown Removal and the 16:9 at once?? And also which sequence Setting I need to use the 24p or the 23.93? The movie will be transfer to film in the future? Thanks!!!

The settings I've used in the past were:

- Load the DV 23.98 48kHz preset. Check Anamorphic.
- In the Log and Capture window, go to your capture settings tab and under device control set that to Firewire. In the capture dropdown select DV 48kHz advanced pulldown removal.

Hope it helps

Thanks!!! I resolve the problem!! I needed to create a new capture setting with both Anamorphic and Remove pulldown enabled!! Also Another Question?? I have some footage in 24padvance and some in regular 24p What I need to do to use the regular 24p footage in the 24 timeline!! How do I remove the fields to convert the regular 24p to true 24p??? thanks!!!

Hi,

I have a finished FCP project: HDV footage in 720p at 24fps. Everything's rendered and ready to go.

The theater I'm screening the film at requires a Sony HDCam at 1080i/60i.

How do I get my FCP project ready to record to tape for those parameters?

This should be so simple, but I'm at a loss as to what to do?

Chris, give me a call, I can help you export this.

682-203-2994

I am in Sherman and visit Dallas twice a week.

Okay, this is going to sound stupid and weird and everything... but...

I have an HV20, and footage shot as 24P.

I like the 24P look and will use it.

Now, there's a complicated workflow, involving downloading the raw footage from the camera, running it through JES Deinterlacer, and re-importing the now Inverse Telecined film in the "real" 24P.

However, instead of doing that for 10 odd tapes I have for this short project, why can't I edit the movie first, using the 60i telecined video (which I can view perfectly well) and then deinterlace the entire movie?

Would that create problems? Would it look somehow worse? Would edits to hue and saturation look weird because of the deinterlacing process?

Because, to tell the truth, I'd rather go through the deinterlacing process as few times as possible.

Brian:

I don't know for sure, but I don't think you want to deinterlace that footage. If you do, you will probably wreck it as far as pull down removal. Why do I say that ? Not because I'm a great tech wizard, but because Cineform says don't select deinterlace when you capture and select pulldown with Cineform NeoHDV. I have captured in HDV 1080i, edited and rendered in that, and then converted with pull down in Cineform. I think you do run the risk of problem in the subsequent conversion at the cut points, or when you have a transition, but the simple edit I did that way seemed to be okay.

Brian:

I don't know for sure, but I don't think you want to deinterlace that footage. If you do, you will probably wreck it as far as pull down removal. Why do I say that ? Not because I'm a great tech wizard, but because Cineform says don't select deinterlace when you capture and select pulldown with Cineform NeoHDV. I have captured in HDV 1080i, edited and rendered in that, and then converted with pull down in Cineform. I think you do run the risk of problem in the subsequent conversion at the cut points, or when you have a transition, but the simple edit I did that way seemed to be okay.

I may be getting my terms screwed up. JES DeInterlacer is the tool used to do the Inverse Telecine pulldown. (which, as it would happen, removes the "false" interlacing from the 24P footage)

But if you tell me you've captured HDV 1080i, edited, and rendered in that, and THEN converted with pulldown, you've told me pretty much what I need to know!

:)

That makes this project a WHOLE lot simpler if I can worry about doing the pulldown after the project is edited!
-- Brian.

What I have done to be safe in cases where you want to avoid any issues is to capture the footage, then determine which clips I want to use for sure, set them in a separate folder, and go into that and batch convert with Cineform.

Does JES actually convert HV20 footage properly ? HV20 does not have flags that other 24p has, and the pull down program has to be able to be able to detect the 24p to do it properly. That is Cineforms claim to fame, but I haven't yet heard of many others..

What I have done to be safe in cases where you want to avoid any issues is to capture the footage, then determine which clips I want to use for sure, set them in a separate folder, and go into that and batch convert with Cineform.

Does JES actually convert HV20 footage properly ? HV20 does not have flags that other 24p has, and the pull down program has to be able to be able to detect the 24p to do it properly. That is Cineforms claim to fame, but I haven't yet heard of many others..

Yeah, I just tested it out with one of my clips (and man, world of difference when it comes to the quality between 60i and 24p!)

Interestingly enough, if I can figure out a way to batch process the files, I can just batch process Tape A while Tape B is capturing...

Cool... didn't know JES did that. Of course that is MAC side, and I forgot that is your OS.

The only real problem is any transitions you have in your edited footage will change the cadence, and if any are rendered transitions or multiple shots, they will show interlacing artifacts.

I've tried both methods and the best is to pass your footage through JES DeInterlacer first before editing if you intend to have 1080-24p for your final output. The interlacing is quite visible in cross-fades and a de-interlacing pass will quite likely not remove it.

If you're using FCS2, you can also recompress it all to the Apple ProRes format too, not that you'll garner better quality from the 422 colorspace, but you will lose less fidelity in the recompression.

Does JES actually convert HV20 footage properly ? HV20 does not have flags that other 24p has, and the pull down program has to be able to be able to detect the 24p to do it properly. That is Cineforms claim to fame, but I haven't yet heard of many others..

From my understanding, JES will go through and detect the cadence of the 24 in the 60i footage by checking for interlaced data on the frames (2 interlaced, three non-interlaced) and then infer what cadence it is for your target framerate (24p or 23.98p). I have had some footage that it won't detect the cadence and thereby won't convert (out of about 150 clips, two would consistently fail to convert so I had to revert to cinema tools and the manual cadence specification).

To my untrained eye, I haven't seen too much difference in playback between the two and found no interlacing artifacts in the converted footage. The only issue I've ever come across is getting the aspect ratio to work correctly when saving to a Quicktime format.

Everything seems to be hunky dory - JES Deinterlacer's doing a damn good job now that I've fixed the kinks.

-- Brian.

Hi Everyone,

I have the Sony HVR-V1U, and I did a search on the forum to see if I could find out what capture settings work with the footage from my camera and FCS6, and didn't find much.

My question is, what capture settings work in this newer version? Can it work with the 24p footage from this camera?

Can I use the HDV 1080i60 or 1080p24 easy setup?

Or do I need to capture it and then reverse telecine it in CinemaTools? If so, what is the best codec to capture in?

Any help would be appreciated! Trying to use FCP 5 with the footage from my camera was a nightmare. I'm really hoping it's simpler in this version!

Thanks!

Sony HVR-V1U
FCS 6
MacBook Pro
2.2 Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB SDRAM

You should be using the 1080p24 easy setup if yr shooting progressive.

And the pulldown will be removed? I don't need to run it through Cinema Tools or anything else like that like in the older version of FCP?

i was considering upgrading to the v1, but i have fcp 5.1 and it's my understanding that i won't be able to capture 24p footage unless i upgrade to fcp 6??
if that is the case, does anyone know of other cameras which would fit into my current workflow? xha1, or hvx?

thanks in advance.

I'm pretty sure that's not the case. From what I understand, there's no difference in capturing 24p HDV in FCP 5.1 and FCP 6. Perhaps somebody with a little more experience capturing 24p or 24f should weigh in, but I'm pretty sure FCP 5.1 can do it.

I use final cut pro 4.5 HD and it captures 24p. So I'm sure it works for all FCP's. Need to change the settings in FCP's AUDIO/VIDEO settings then go to CAPTURE PRESETS and select DV NTSC 48KHz Advanced (2:3:3:2) Pulldown. Also make sure you set your canon xha1 to film in 24 fps in (2:3:3:2) mode in menu settings before you shoot any footage. I believe the color code for this 24fps is orange.

Hope this helps.

Well I have FCP 6, but I'm pretty sure for FCP 5 you just need to go to the Final Cut Menu, go to Easy Setup, and change it to HDV and 24fps.