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Cliff Gilmour
March 3rd, 2007, 03:08 PM
SDHC card readers can be picked up for as low as $8 shipped to anywhere in the USA on ebay.

Michael Eskin
March 3rd, 2007, 04:21 PM
Guy,

Have you had any luck getting Vegas 7 or Premiere to recognize the HDV files that Nero Vision 4 exports from an AVCHD file transcode? I'm getting errors on import of these files in every editor or transcoder I've tried to import them into. They play fine either in WMP or PowerDVD, but won't import.

Paulo Teixeira
March 3rd, 2007, 07:26 PM
Guy,

Have you had any luck getting Vegas 7 or Premiere to recognize the HDV files that Nero Vision 4 exports from an AVCHD file transcode? I'm getting errors on import of these files in every editor or transcoder I've tried to import them into. They play fine either in WMP or PowerDVD, but won't import.
I don’t know if this will help at all but you should try changing the extension to .mpeg.

Michael Eskin
March 3rd, 2007, 07:32 PM
Guy posted the answer on CCinfo, rather than use the HDV export, use the MPEG-2 export with the output parameters set to 1920x1080. That did the trick!

Scott Muhlbaier
March 3rd, 2007, 10:38 PM
First, a NEW review from PC World about the HDC-SD1:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129478-page,1/article.html

and second, Panasonic has finally put the manual online. Looks very nice!:
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/HDCSD1PP-MUL.PDF

One thing of note: since there is no optical digital feed, to play back 5.1 sound recorded from the 5 mics, you need an amplifier that has an HDMI connection. That's the only way to do it.

I'm still baffled by the lack of interest...have the review sites like CC review gotten this in yet or is Circuit City the only place to get this for awhile?

Paulo Teixeira
March 4th, 2007, 12:44 PM
First, a NEW review from PC World about the HDC-SD1:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129478-page,1/article.html

and second, Panasonic has finally put the manual online. Looks very nice!:
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/HDCSD1PP-MUL.PDF

One thing of note: since there is no optical digital feed, to play back 5.1 sound recorded from the 5 mics, you need an amplifier that has an HDMI connection. That's the only way to do it.

I'm still baffled by the lack of interest...have the review sites like CC review gotten this in yet or is Circuit City the only place to get this for awhile?

It definitely is a shame when you consider the video quality of this camcorder is a whole lot better then the SR1 that has a higher bit rate.

As for that review, it’s just like the ones I linked to where they don’t compare the SD1 to an HDV camcorder. Plus the camcorder may retail for 1500 but in B&H and Circuit City, the price is at 1300.

Besides the fact that the PAL version of the SD1 has a better/newer decoder than the NTSC version, the only thing I hate about it is the lack of a focusing ring. I think the reason why a lot of people don’t have in interest in this is because it records to memory cards.

For a 1300 dollar camcorder that includes a 4 gig memory card and ¼” chips, the price isn’t that bad at all; especially if you consider that the chips in the FX7/V1u are of the same size.

Cliff Gilmour
March 4th, 2007, 01:34 PM
I have the newest issue of the German magazine Hifi test TV Video in my hands. They review 5 cams.
Canon HV 10
Panasonic DX1 (SD1 with DVD drive)
Sony HDR-UX1
Sony HDR-SR1
Sanyo Xacti.

Testwinner = Panasonic!
Referenzklasse 1,2 (1= perfect 2= great 3=good 4=bad 5=crap)
So they give it almost a perfect rating!

I haven't read a single negative review of the SD1. The 2 people who bought it at my advice also are very happy with it. Guy's review was the only review with negative aspects on the www.

Guy Bruner
March 4th, 2007, 03:30 PM
My review was a first impressions and I don't think it was negative. I didn't have an opportunity to test the cam. In fact, Panasonic personnel hovered over my shoulder the entire time I was trying to shoot something. I had to leave CES early and Panasonic waited until after I left to make the cam available off its tether. I was the only one with software and hardware that could work with the AVCHD files. It is very possible that the SD1 and DX1 have excellent video. Examples I have seen posted since CES are interesting, particularly the comparisions to the HC3. I'm looking forward to the opportunity to really test the SD1.

Paulo Teixeira
March 4th, 2007, 04:25 PM
Examples I have seen posted since CES are interesting, particularly the comparisions to the HC3. I'm looking forward to the opportunity to really test the SD1.
Hopefully you get to test both the NTSC and the PAL versions to really make a good review because as you know, the PAL version is allegedly much better.

Guy Bruner
March 4th, 2007, 06:12 PM
Paulo,
That is not likely. We only get the NTSC versions.

Aaron Tinling
March 8th, 2007, 05:22 PM
Congrats on the cam Aaron. What's your opinion on it after one week? How do you connect it through HDMI? What's your HDTV?
Well, I'm very pleased with the SD1. Even though it's missing a couple things like a viewfinder and a headphone jack, it has surprisingly rich features and a very pleasing image. I have an older Toshiba HDTV, and the component output from the camcorder looks quite beautiful...better than what I've been able to see with computer playback so far.

I've successfully converted the .mt2s files to HDV format and imported them into Vegas. It's my first foray into hidef editing in Vegas, and I'm impressed by how good the performance is. Yay Vegas!

I've also attached a Rode Videomic with a bracket, and it works just great, though the mic looks bigger than the camera.

I've been working on a full writeup on the SD1 on Navagear: http://www.navagear.com/2007/03/panasonic-hdc-sd1-high-definition-camcorder-review-part-1/

If you leave me comments on the posting, I'll try to address them in the next segment of the review.

Steve Nunez
March 8th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Aaron- how are you generating M2t files?

Derrick Whitlock
March 10th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Steve, I am also interested in his reply on how he is generating his m2t files.

I have had my SD1 for about a week and I did a little looking around for a good program for transcoding the files. I found three possible solutions.

1. Nero Vision 4 [demo]. Not really what I was looking for since I don't think there is a way to batch process my files. But it handles the highest resolution.

2. Elecard Converter Studio Pro [demo]: Could have been the best solution, but... The regular version was about $250 or so and they don't advertise the price of the Pro version and you will need the Pro version for the high res and batch processing, so I passed on this option for right now. But I liked the setup and the implementation. It Also handled the highest resolution. I may come ack to this in the future.

3. Adobe Premier Element 3.0 & Main Concept's plugin. Only two negatives here for me. With no batch processing and only having the ability to handle 1440X1080i [it may handle higher res than this, however, I can't seem to find the option] this is not a long-term solution for me. But the positives far outweigh the negatives so far. Implementation is seamless in APE 3.0. Cost of the two together was about $150-160. Quick preview is nice before I convert. Since I would like to shoot most of what I do right now in the 1440x1080i, the limitation on res is not a factor.

Now I found a bunch of other apps that might get the job done in the near future but they didn't seem to work for me right now. The one that I want to keep an eye on is called "Super". Oh, and its free.

Derek Weiss
March 10th, 2007, 01:29 PM
Will eRightsoft Super software recognize AVCHD?

Guy Bruner
March 10th, 2007, 02:33 PM
Try MPEG Streamclip. SUPER doesn't yet support AVCHD.

Derrick Whitlock
March 10th, 2007, 04:03 PM
Try MPEG Streamclip. SUPER doesn't yet support AVCHD.

Thanks Guy. I had tried this one as well and I couldn't get it to work. I get the error that it can't find the first frame in the video. Have you had success with SD1 clips in this app?

Derek Weiss
March 10th, 2007, 11:24 PM
Does this little cam have the ability to do variable frame rates other than standard?

Guy Bruner
March 11th, 2007, 06:34 AM
Have you had success with SD1 clips in this app? I haven't used MPEG Steamclip except for reading the stream metadata. It requires buying the MPEG2 plugin for Quicktime and I already have other software for that. Others have reported that MPEG Streamclip will work on AVCHD. You might have to change the MTS extension to MPG. I use NERO mostly when working with AVCHD. But, it doesn't have batch features as you noted.

Does this little cam have the ability to do variable frame rates other than standard? The SD1 only records in 50i/60i.

Yow Siang
March 21st, 2007, 06:18 AM
Hi Aaron,
I am unable to see any hotshoe on the camera, would there be a problem if i want to mount an external mike or lighting? how did you do it?

ys

Chris Wren
April 1st, 2007, 07:28 AM
There is no hotshoe on the camera so I mounted a adapter on the bottom of the camera to hold my video-light or microphone.

Yow Siang
April 1st, 2007, 09:54 PM
Like to ask what do you use to edit the video? as i know not many software support it right now?

Guy Bruner
April 2nd, 2007, 05:24 AM
Nero Vision can edit it or convert it to another format that is compatible with more prevalent editing software. Also, Elecard Converter Studio can convert it.

Derek Weiss
April 2nd, 2007, 07:39 AM
Like to ask what do you use to edit the video? as i know not many software support it right now?

I've been using Nero. It works, but it's clumsy. Batch capture and render is possible, but you're left with one long clip, which tends to choke a bit in Vegas 7d.

I'm hoping the NAB timeframe brings Vegas 7d into editing AVCHD.

Paulo Teixeira
April 2nd, 2007, 05:57 PM
The SD1 review is on Camcorderinfo

Michael Stimson
April 8th, 2007, 04:33 PM
I have a new computer with Vista and I also got the new Panasonic HDC-SD1. I had read that Nero 7 would allow me to view and edit my video, but I am unable to. I'm not real tech savvy so any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Guy Bruner
April 8th, 2007, 05:40 PM
Copy the .MTS files over to your hard drive using HD Writer. Then, you can open them in Nero Showtime. You'll have to use ALL FILES to open them as Nero still doesn't recognize the .MTS extension.

Michael Eskin
April 9th, 2007, 09:49 AM
While I can use Nero Vision to convert the files to MPEG-2, is there some trick to getting Nero Showtime to play the files with proper A/V sync? I've got a pretty fast system, AMD Athlon64 4600X2 with 2GB RAM, ATI X800 graphics card (no h.264 acceleration). PowerDVD seems to have no problem playing the files.

Guy Bruner
April 9th, 2007, 08:59 PM
I haven't had that problem with Nero Showtime, Windows Media Player or PowerDVD7. I am running an Intel E6300, 2GB RAM, and an ATI X1600-based, hardware accelerated video card.

Erik CaPaul
April 9th, 2007, 09:34 PM
I have problems with AVCHD audio not quite in sync, and some skips.

I have an Intel E6600 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo, Nvidia 8800GTS, 2GB 667Mhz DDRII RAM, playing from a 7200RPM SATA drive fully defragged, with nothing running in the background. Clean install of Vista, and clean install of Nero upgraded to the latest version.

Nero claims to be Vista compatible. Not sure what the problem is. I have a tech support request in to them.

Windows Media player plays it much better-though a couple of glitches sometimes.

I can covert the file to HD2, Mpeg2 and it plays fine then.

Erik

Guy Bruner
April 10th, 2007, 06:01 AM
Ah. Vista. There are lots of problems with that OS.

Erik CaPaul
April 10th, 2007, 09:23 AM
Ah. Vista. There are lots of problems with that OS.

Agreed, I'm sure they'll work out the bugs down the road--but Nero shouldn't be claiming Vista compatibility too soon if they need to get the major bugs out yet.

However, Michael is having similar problems as me--Michael, do you have Vista or XP?

Erik

Michael Eskin
April 10th, 2007, 09:29 AM
XP... PowerDVD plays them just fine, its only Nero ShowTime that has A/V sync issues. I've got an ATI X1950 graphics card on its way, will be interesting to see if it makes a difference having the hardware h.264 acceleration.

Guy Bruner
April 10th, 2007, 11:00 AM
I'm running Nero 7 on both my core duo laptop (X1600 video) and core 2 duo desktop (X1600 video). No stutters or sync issues since Nero updated to Ultra Enhanced. It did stutter on my laptop at CES until I got the new software. BTW, I'm running XP on both well into the future.