Hello all, our feature, White Men Can't Dance, will be out Dec 8th in theaters around the country, checkout the trailer here:

www.dv3productions.com/WMCD.wmv

it's not a final cut, but I thought you guys would like to see!

-Obin
obin@dv3productions.com

Hey respect for your movie and your achievement but man thats a long trailer, I felt like i saw the film.

Andy.

Trailer needs a lot of work, pretty flat and confusing. This looks more like a WB midnight movie but then again, so does Facing the Giants and it is doing well. My brother in law owns a regional theater chain and I cant find this anywhere on anyones release list or IMDB or anywhere... where is it coming out on 12/8?



ash =o)

Carmike for one, and we are dealing with many more..NDA, I can't talk about it much till deals are signed. sorry you guys don't like trailer, I guess you should not see the film.

GJ Looks Great ! Ill spend the time to watch it!

GJ again!

Hey Ash, I just watched your reality show trailer, reminds me of a Band reality show we recently produced with VH1. Obviously you did not have that much budget to work with, but it looks good... luck on it!



Trailer needs a lot of work, pretty flat and confusing. This looks more like a WB midnight movie but then again, so does Facing the Giants and it is doing well. My brother in law owns a regional theater chain and I cant find this anywhere on anyones release list or IMDB or anywhere... where is it coming out on 12/8?



ash =o)

Carmike for one, and we are dealing with many more..NDA, I can't talk about it much till deals are signed. sorry you guys don't like trailer, I guess you should not see the film.


Sorry, my comments came off oddly... Basically, I wanted to know if it was going to be somewhere where I could see it. I think what we are saying is that the trailer could do more justice to the movie. The way it is currently makes it feel more like a TV show than theatrical release, it does look interesting.



ash =o)

Hey Ash, I just watched your reality show trailer, reminds me of a Band reality show we recently produced with VH1. Obviously you did not have that much budget to work with, but it looks good... luck on it!


Thanks... there was only a TINY budget, mostly had to use student shooters, etc. Should be an interesting way to promote an album.



ash =o)

Hey,

Congratulations on completing your project.

It says it is coming to theaters in December? That's less than a month away. Which theaters may I ask? Also, which distributor is distributing the movie? I didn't find anything about this on IMDB.

My apologies, and please take what I say with a grain of salt, but I have to agree with some of the other posts. In my opinion I think the trailer is a bit too long, somewhat confusing and it seems like there are three different movies going on at the time. One comedy, one family drama and one street dance. Almost comes off as a WB drama, or made for lifetime story, not that that is bad, but I am not sure that is what you aimed for. Finally, I didn't find the performances too compelling, instead almost comedic, but again, I am not sure that is what you aimed for.

In any event, the trailer may have potential to sell your project with some re-editing and more convincing voice over/narrator.

Good luck!

Obin,

This trailer has major tone issues. You just can't take a sincere moment like grandpa dying, or a seven-year-old in need of a kidney transplant, and cut it with break dancing. It comes off so...wrong. Like wrong wrong. I sure hope the movie as a whole doesn't have the tone issue that this trailer does.

If the tone of the story is more drama, then I think you should start the trailer on the downbeat of grandpa dying and the girl in need of a kidney transplant. And then go into the white dude's drive to win the contest (which, btw, is very weird, but okay, that's the story). Basically, if you flat out lopped off the first part of the trailer all the way up to grandpa dying it would greatly help this. You can go from downbeat to upbeat. But to start on an upbeat (and a really upbeat at that) then go to that kind of emotion and then right back to break dancing does not work. But it would also help if you made the drive of the story more clear. Why is grandpa even involved? Is he more connected in the story? From this trailer, it seems like the focus should just be about saving the little girl. I suppose it doesn't matter that you're stretching believability to the extreme as long as the story is focused and the tone is consistent.

If, however, the tone of the movie is a comedy, then you need to just lightly touch on the kidney transplant thing to give the white dude a motivational story drive, and cut out the grandpa dying part altogether. That highlights what the story is without involving the viewer in an emotionally sincere way.

The point is you can't do both. Definitely not in the trailer. So pick one.

THanks for the notes Jeff, I can see you really have strong feelings about this. good. What we did was take the breakdance comp that is at the END of the film and splice it with the story of the kid and her dad and mom in need of help. building both storylines till the end and "the winner is" moment, otherwise it's a very dull trailer..trying to jump it up a bit by having the 2 storylines merge at the end to the "Winner is" moment...

I guess in your mind that does not work. Maybe I should show you the old trailer and see whaty ou think of it.

BTW it IS a comedy a drama and a dance film. so....you hit the nail on the head Brian

higher quality encode 66megs

www.dv3productions.com/clients/wmcd/wmcd.mov


Apple and QUicktime like it, and they are going to put the trailer on the quicktime HD trailer website.

btw if you would like to see the original directors cut trailer checkout

www.whitemencantdance.com

let me know your thoughts. I cut this new one for free. fyi

Obin,

First, sorry I came across so strong. Now that I got a good night's sleep and rewatched your trailer, I think you can fix it by cutting out the first three break dancing sections in the beginning (during the emotionally sincere stuff). It is just too jarring. We don't need to have that setup for us then.

If you do cut those parts, then we'll start by jumping right into the tight family bonding stuff and move gently into the dramatic kidney shift of tone (still not sure grandpa is needed in the trailer), then we'll move gently into the solution, which is his drive to win the break dancing contest. And I don't think you need to recut those first 3 break dancing sections in the trailer later either. The big banner of a $40k prize tells us the deal.

IMO, this will solve your tone issue. Now. The other big issue is being able to sell me on the fact that this guy has any chance at winning this contest. Is there a line in the movie where he says something like: "I know I'm old and don't look like I have any skills, but back in the day, I used to kill at these things." One more line like that in the trailer would help. But this is where the main tone issue in the movie might be: the ending. And it will all depend on how much you sell (and therefore somehow show us) that this guy has a chance. I'm assuming some kind of body double from wide angles, but that is a precarious place to be for belieability's sake. I'd love to see how you guys pulled this off. If you don't pull it off, the tone will be all wrong, meaning it will be funny when it's supposed to be sincere.

Btw, it looks and sounds great. And this other trailer from your website is not so good. I'd recut the one you first posted here and put it on your website in place of it.

so what your saying is don't intercut the dancing, run the trailer like the film runs...?

The film is a family film. it's not all that, but it works and people like it. I am more of a Domino type flick fan. ;)

Anyway, where in the trailer do we say that the old guy wins? I will not spoil the film and tell you what happens in the trailer, what good would that be, but from your above posts it seems that you think the old guy wins??

The goal of this trailer is to give people a taste of the dancing and a taste of the goofy family that is in trouble.
the original trailer was how the Director wanted it.

Yes, I would definitely run the trailer the way the film does. Drastic changes in tone only work over time, gently done. Well, IMO, anyway. And there's enough dancing at the end to get the taste of it.

About whether he wins or not...from a tone POV, it's irrelevant. The tone will be predicated on how he looks when he's break dancing. If he looks like what my dad would look like if he trained like Rocky and started doing head stands and windmills and such, it will come off laughable. If you rotoscope my dad's head onto someone's body doing those moves it will come off laughable. If you show my dad doing little arm moves he can handle in tight shots and then show a wide shot of someone diving into head stands and windmills, it will come off laughable. Which is good if that's the tone you're going for, but if you're going for sincerity, that laughing is the worst case scenario.

From a story POV, I assume he wins. If he doesn't, what are you gonna do pull some magic ending out of a hat? That's hard to do without feeling cheap, unearned, and unsatisfying. And you can't let the girl die. So of the possible options you have (from what you've shown me), I hope you chose to have the guy win. The hard part of that route is making it convincing, that's all. And if you went for the magic ending route, the hard part is disguising it along the way, so it is believable but isn't obvious. Then when he doesn't win, boom, you pop that on us, and everyone is happy again.

Anyway, good luck with everything.

It almost feels as if you made the film as much as you think you know about it! ;)

Anyway, it's been good talking with you Jeff, thanks for your feedback and as much thought as you have on the subject I hope you get to pickup a copy of the film at your local blockbuster soon!

I gotta tell you I don't think that tone is everything in a film.
This film may not follow ANY of the "standards" and "rules" of story telling, good chance it does not. It's indy. BUT people like it, and cry while watching it. I could never ask for anything more.

BTW Jeff, what do you do?

Obin,

I guess we'll have to disagree on the tone thing. I think it's one of the most important elements of a story.

Anyway, as for what I do...I work a suck hole job while I'm pursuing a career in film. I've studied screenwriting for the last four years and have written thousands of pages and have given A LOT of thought to the structure of what makes an effective story. I made a short film this past year (35min comedy) and am currently expanding its tone into a full-length feature and have a game plan for how to get from here to where I want to be. So I am by no means a critic for the sake of being a critic. I study what people do and learn from it. I offer my feedback when I see something I think can improve with a few tweaks and to put the story they present to me in the context of my understanding of what effective storytelling is.

While I agree in theory that there aren't any objective rules one must abide by in telling a story, there are story principles that have evolved over the centuries of people telling stories to each other. And no one has all the answers. I think each story idea (meaning the main idea/plotline/character arc that pervades a story) has inherent strengths and weaknesses that force it to go in certain directions. There are no perfect story ideas. Whether you're talking about a 200 million dollar movie or a $5,000 dollar Indie flick, every story idea will have flaws that need careful tending and crafting and often a magician's sleight of hand and misdirection to make them work. Which is why it is so utterly critical that we choose our story ideas very very carefully, become aware of what our inherent story flaws are, and figure out how to apply that sleight of hand.

In your case, I outlined the fact (again, this is just from what you showed me) your story flaw, which needs to be overcome, is convincing the audience the old white dude can break dance. I can not possibly be the only one who thinks it is at least a little stretch of believability. But it's not like you can't tell that story, or that there are "rules" which need to be followed or not followed. But suspension of disbelief is one of those "underlying principles" of storytelling that can not be ignored. So I hope a LARGE amount of this story was spent making me believe he has a chance. I WANT to believe this. I love underdog, Rocky-like movies. But Sly Stallone looked like he could win. The action sequences, full of blantantly missed punches that were supposed to be real can easily be overlooked if the overall impression is good, mostly because by the time the ending arrives I have a lot of emotion invested in Rocky. I'll let it go. Whatever. Go Rocky. The same can be true for your old white dude. But you only get so much rope before you hang yourself. In fact, this is so important I hope it was THE issue to figure out before one second of film was shot.

I guess the bottom line is how utterly critical it is that we choose our story ideas very very carefully, examine their flaws, and see if they can be overcome, before we invest our time.

I am on your side. I hope you pulled it off. And, yes, let me know when it's in Blockbuster. Somehow I got real involved in this and now I want to see what happens. Best of luck.

your story flaw, which needs to be overcome, is convincing the audience the old white dude can break dance. I can not possibly be the only one who thinks it is at least a little stretch of believability.

Nope, not at all. I wasn't going to say anything, but after watching both trailers I thought the acting was hokey and the story, if not lost on wether it was a comedy or a drama, just plain bizzare. I wouldn't go see this movie.

Now, that's just being totally honest, and Obin, be assured, there are tons of great movies out there I didn't like, and I'm being very judgemental based on what I saw in the trailer.

I also noticed that your movie looked like it was shot very well, very professional and nice lighting work. While I agree with everything that Jeff says, I also think you're past the threshold with this film, and if we "don't get it" then too bad for us and just move on and focus on the positives. Not everyone will like your film, but you made it, you're happy with it, and you're getting great responses to it. Keep pushing it. You can apply the critques to your next film if you want to. Congrats on your completing your film, I wish you the best success with it.
(PS, the story is no more weird than that rapping Kangaroo film, but then again, that was pretty weird!).

Obin,I guess we'll have to disagree on the tone thing. I think it's one of the most important elements of a story.


I agree 100%. It’s just very difficult to critique someone's work that has invested money, time and effort with getting defensive arguments as to why the work doesn't have flaws. The most important lesson, in my opinion, is to learn to separate yourself from your work and judge it objectively. That is a lesson I am learning quickly and assisting my advancement in filmmaking.

Robert McKee famously quoted in "Adaptation" saying that there are no rules, but guides that have been proven to work. I agree with you and the other posts, that the trailer didn’t work, but Obin has his own vision, which he will either succeed or fail with. What we say really doesn’t matter unless he is willing to accept constructive criticism. Adaptation is actually a really good movie to watch to see how a stubborn writer who insists on changing “the working format” ends up realizing that it’s a losing battle.

The story structure is ancient and there are certain working elements that you will find in every entertaining story. You can tell a joke without a punch line, but you’ll probably end up with little or no laughs. You can write a store without structure and end up with a bored and confused audience. Is that a goal as a filmmaker? I think not.

I continue to say that movie making is extremely difficult, but there is generally a reason why it is a good idea to listen to other people uninvolved with the project, especially if there is a collective agreement on the flaws.

Nope, not at all. I wasn't going to say anything, but after watching both trailers I thought the acting was hokey and the story, if not lost on wether it was a comedy or a drama, just plain bizzare. I wouldn't go see this movie.

Cal, we know each other pretty well now =) Its difficult to make any comments because on one hand I believe that most people post to get feedback, but it adversely affects their work they tend to become defensive, so I usually reframe myself from any sort of engagement. On the other hand its so inviting to engage in the exchanging of opinions. I just hope that people would take comments as constructive; not as retentive.

Obin has his own vision, which he will either succeed or fail with.
Not really. Obin wasn't the writer. He wasn't the director. He wasn't even listed as a producer. He was a the DoP (and Editor). In those roles, I think he did a great job. The images look very good. I have no idea what it was shot on. There were some shots I didn't like, but composition is a directing decision. The DoP doesn't fail in any sense because of an odd script and sketchy directing... We all must shoot things for directors without a sense of taste at one time or another. I don't let those kinds of shoots affect me, and neither should anyone else.

sorry to burst any bubbles around here but it's not t"my" film, as, you can see in the trailer it says "A Peter S. Vinal Film"
I shot it and cut it, my brother is doing the color time on it. and we did some vfx on it.

you guys really are the best around here! such a positive vibe man! ;) really, chill...this is after all an "indy" flick...

What would I direct? I like Scott brother films and stuff like SinCIty

I just thought you guys would like to see our latest gig..it's our first feature...

kinda makes me feel like never posting here again. Can you honestly say, if you had the replys I have you would not feel the same way?

I don't even want to know what the Director would say if I was to copy+paste all the comments in here to his inbox!

lets take a vote, should I do that? would it be a good or bad idea?..he was asking what people think of the trailer I cut for free for him(that would be the version I posted here first) and I told him I would let him know....................

BTW the "Old White Dude" has had a dream for more then 20 years to make a movie, be it good or bad. you gotta hand it to a guy that has never done anything like this give it an all in move and just make the film, that is Peter S. Vinal. I don't think he "hangs himself" at the end of the film at all, it works out as it should. And no I never said he won or lost the danceoff...

[QUOTE=Brian Duke] The most important lesson, in my opinion, is to learn to separate yourself from your work and judge it objectively. That is a lesson I am learning quickly and assisting my advancement in filmmaking.

This is the attitude that will foster real growth. I've learned the same thing countless times. It is not easy to hear criticism of something you worked hard on, but that is how we grow as artists. The ones who "get" that exponentially increase their chances for success.

Obin, you might consider flipping the tables on how you're perceiving this thread. The critical comments are the ones you should cherish and hold up and examine. Discard what you don't agree with and learn from the others. I would definitely send these comments to the director. If I was him, this is exactly what I'd want to hear. What would you rather hear, "great job" from fifty different people? How does that help?

And the ones who should be considering not posting anymore are the ones who spend some of their valuable free time to watch the posted stuff, think about it, and then comment, only to have their thoughtful comments totally blown off by the original poster.

And, btw, the comments I made are about story principles. They are as important to an editor as they are a writer. I gave you my impressions from what you presented. Once again, best of luck to you.

EDIT: I just noticed you added the 20-year dream thing. If he has no intention of making future films, there is no reason to hear constructive feedback. But the tone stuff about your trailer might help him make a decision of whether to change it or not. And he should hear that your trailer, even as is, is more effective than his.

I just thought you guys would like to see our latest gig..it's our first feature...

kinda makes me feel like never posting here again. Can you honestly say, if you had the replys I have you would not feel the same way?

I don't even want to know what the Director would say if I was to copy+paste all the comments in here to his inbox!

lets take a vote, should I do that? would it be a good or bad idea?..he was asking what people think of the trailer I cut for free for him(that would be the version I posted here first) and I told him I would let him know....................

BTW the "Old White Dude" has had a dream for more then 20 years to make a movie, be it good or bad. you gotta hand it to a guy that has never done anything like this give it an all in move and just make the film, that is Peter S. Vinal. I don't think he "hangs himself" at the end of the film at all, it works out as it should. And no I never said he won or lost the danceoff...

Obin, try to remember that show buisness is, first and foremost, the "buisness of show". With that comes criticisim, be it constructive or otherwise, it's how you use it to your advantage. You say you want to make Scott Free type films, well that's BIG budget territory so toughen up and live your dream to make that happen. Keep posting here and for what it's worth, I would show the director the comments, if anything he would be getting a feel for the audience's taste towards his vision. Good luck and continued success.

thanks again for the words. really.

I wish the Director was on this board..;)

Not really. Obin wasn't the writer. He wasn't the director. He wasn't even listed as a producer. He was a the DoP (and Editor). In those roles, I think he did a great job. The images look very good. I have no idea what it was shot on. There were some shots I didn't like, but composition is a directing decision.

We are not really discussing the director of photography job on the shoot, as most if not all of us didn't seem to take issue with that. But Obin DID defend and discuss story line, tone, characters etc, which other disagreed with his assessment, so the comments should be welcome and appreciated. If Obin posted it and said he had no involvement in the story, tone, editing etc, then we probably wouldn't be debating this. However, it appeared, at least to me, that he was looking for feedback, and, feedback shouldn't only be welcome when delivered positive.

Remember, we don't offer comments because we want to put the filmmaker down, but they construed as to encourage improvement and further success.

thanks again for the words. really.

I wish the Director was on this board..;)

Obin, whatever you think, please do not think our comments are a reflection of you as a person, but we are judging a trailer, which should not sum up who you, the producer or the director are. Again, the comments are reflective of the work, not the persons. We all make mistakes as filmmakers, but they do not personify who we are as people, but only reflect certain choices we made.

In any event, you should not be discouraged by a few negative comments, especially since they are respectful and constructive. If more than a few people point out the same issues, there may be something to it.

I urge you not continue to work and strive to improve your work to archieve your goals and success, but leave room for disccussion of your work.

Remember, we don't offer comments because we want to put the filmmaker down, but they construed as to encourage improvement and further success.

Absolutely. Hey Obin, just to let you know, I wasn't going to pipe in at all, but I agreed with what Jeff was saying, and he seemed to be looking for a little support, so I chimed in. But I can't stress enough that there are TONS of "good" movies out there that I just didn't like at all. I didn't mean my comments as a put down, more just as a support to Jeff that yep, I found issues with the story too. But from the responses that you're getting from audiences, maybe you just need to say "screw the critics". I'd take the posts in this forum with a pretty heavy grain of salt. If they'd posted "Open Water" here, we probably would have all responded with our little suggestions, but they believed in their film, and pushed it through against all odds. Sorry we're such a salty bunch! :)

If they'd posted "Open Water" here, we probably would have all responded with our little suggestions, but they believed in their film, and pushed it through against all odds. Sorry we're such a salty bunch! :)

I actually didn't think Open Water was that good, in fact, I thought it lacked a story. Not every real life event deserves to be on the big screen without a complete 3 act story, even if you have to fabricate drama to enhance the story. This obviously doesn't go well for documentaries. I would have told people that made Open Water that they needed a better and more distinct ending.

Obin, I think the problem was your initial post. It was set up like "watch our movie that we made coming to theaters next month" not, "check out the trailer I cut for an indie family movie."

That is why my initial reaction was so harsh. I am well aware of projects that are not as good as they could/should be due to poor direction, lack of budget, poor script, not enough time, etc. I think we should all judge within the parameters of a particular project. Also, lets face it... there is a TON of production and not all of it can be or is even MEANT to be slick and for the masses. I shot some of The Ultimate Gift http://imdb.com/title/tt0482629/ and it looks to be a "b" movie but may do OK at the box office.

Facing the Giants is not a good movie, certainly not one that you would think would be in the theaters but... guess what? It has grossed over 70 TIMES its production budget in theaters and will probably triple or quadruple that on DVD.



ash =o)

And I watched it, in the theater here, on 35mm film.

Really it does not matter what anyone says, as long as we have some success with the film. That is all that counts for me. it's not my film.

I learnd a ton. I can say that about making WHite Men...now I see that film making is not that hard, but it starts with a good story/script...we are in pre pre production on our next, mystery/thriller..

...now I see that film making is not that hard, but it starts with a good story/script...

Would that it were that easy!

here is some interesting info.

the folks at MGM said after viewing the trailer:

"Looks like a good film, it's refreshing to see a trailer that ends in a climatic moment"

A HD version of the trailer is going to be on quicktime.com's film trailer page very soon.

I agree. You should not even see the breakdance stuff till the end of the trailer. It should go in order for the most part.

But I don't care about any of that. I just want to see more of this chick!

http://www.whitemencantdance.com/images/WMCD_Still_4.jpg

Hey guys...want more to shred apart?

here ya go:
http://www.dv3productions.com/clients/headtotoe/Day_spa_cut3.mov

feel free to KILL it!!

This is OUR work. from start to finish.

how 'bout this:
www.dv3productions.com/castle2.mov

Obin,

The spa spot is great. Nice everything: camera work, lighting, editing, music....

In the spirit of finding something besides telling you it's great, here's two small things:

--i watched it a bunch of times. the first time, the first two shots felt quick. once i watched it again and knew the pacing, it worked fine, but if it's for tv, most people will probably only see it that first time. (the fades to black may have contributed to it feeling quick--for me).

--there's a shot in the middle (right after the Redkon product) that also seems kind of quick. like you were forced to if you wanted the next dissolve to match the music. it also feels a little too close-up (maybe in context of the other ones--it stands out to me).

Great job, though. No one is going to care about these little quips of mine.

What's the deal with the castle? Was it only supposed to last a few seconds? It looks awesome.

it's the start of a vfx shot....2 sec yes that is all that will play

"WHITE MEN CAN'T DANCE" MAKES WILMINGTON FILM HISTORY!
PREMIERES THEATRICALLY DECEMBER 8, 2006 IN SIX STATES


"White Men Can't Dance" is making Wilmington, NC film history as the first independent film to be fully financed, written & produced, cast & crewed, shot on HD & edited in Wilmington, to secure theatrical distribution in six states. The World Premiere will be at Carmike Cinemas, 111 Cinema Drive, on Friday, December 8, complete with a Red Carpet’ arrival of the Cast, Crew, Investors, and MEDIA at 6:30 pm and the Public Screening at 7 pm. Frank Capra, Jr. and other dignitaries will attend.

Premiering in digital theatres in NC, SC, AL, TN, TX, and GA, with strong box-office attendance opening week, "White Men Can't Dance" will open theatrically nationwide. Advance tickets go on sale November 28 at Carmike, as a portion of the profits will go the Children's Miracle Network to help terminally ill children.

Written, directed, and starring Peter S. Vinal, and produced by film veteran, Francine DeCoursey, "White Men Can't Dance" is a heart-warming family film, rated PG, about a former break-dancer who has just lost his Dad, his job, and now his precious six-year-old daughter is seriously ill and needs an expensive operation. Determined to raise the money to save his daughter's life, he calls on his former dance trainers to help him get in shape for an "old-school meets new school" break-dance competition with a large cash prize. The finale is a dynamic Break-dance’ competition featuring some of the best B-boys’ from NY, California, and Puerto Rico, incorporating innovative camera techniques to make the dancing look 3-dimensional.

In his directorial debut, Peter Vinal (a REMAX Real Estate broker, filmmaker, former break-dancer and musician) pays homage to some of his heroes: His inventor father and artist mother, Jerry Lewis’ comic antics, and Walt Disney. "White Men Can't Dance" features many talents from Wilmington's impressive film community in both cast and crew. Peter Vinal, Elizabeth Roberts, Tyhm Kennedy, Dick Olsen, Marc Whitehead, Maxwell Paige, Stacia Crawford, and introducing young Kaitlyn Cox as "Beanie"; Sarah Mather, Wilmington's own "American Idol" finalist, also performs.

DV3 Productions provided the impressive technical team with Larry Olson as Tech Dir., Obin Olson as Director Of Photography and Editor, Amariah Olson as Camera Operator and Animator; Joyce Marling as Costume Designer and Set Decorator, Joan Shay & Don King in Hair & Make-up, and Julia Tasker as Script Supervisor. As Producer, DeCoursey also served as Prod. Mgr, Casting Director, Locations Mgr, Accountant, Catering/ Craft Service, etc.

"We built a strong family of cast & crew, all doing many jobs, to bring the project in on time and on budget!" said DeCoursey. "That's the challenge and the magic of low-budget independent film. We also want to encourage the production of more wholesome, family films. There’s too much violence and negativity in the world. We need more films with hope and heart."

Executive Producers Peter Vinal and Jon Vincent secured all the funding locally for this family film from church friends and fellow realtors.

"This is for all of us! If we succeed, hopefully we encourage more investors to fund independent films in NC, allowing for the profits to return to the state. Though we surely want to continue to attract big-budget Hollywood productions to film in NC, we also want to see our regional film industry evolve into a more indigenous, independent filmmaking center," said Vinal. "We have everything we need to succeed. We just need to expand funding and distribution support! North Carolina can lead the way!"

For more info, visit: www.whitemencantdance.com

Go to - Youtube.com- Search "White Men Can't Dance Trailer" - then play it.

I was talking with some people this weekend and this project came up. They are hoping it will catch on in the church community and be supported like Facing the Giants. The generally consensus with the people I was talking to, one who had actually seen a cut of WMCD, is that is a bit obtuse, even for the church crowd. At this point, they arent even making film prints as I understand.

You have to love these press release things, someone helps cast extras on a couple local shoots and they are referred to as an "industry veteran" LOL...

I wish you the best of luck Obin and it is my personal feeling that your talent shines brighter than this project. As a christian myself, I wish these types of movies werent hyped up and theatrically released. Facing the Giants has no business in theaters, it is a TBN movie at best...



ash =o)

Ash, again thanks for your comments.
No they are not making prints. It's going digital only for now.

Ash, thought you would enjoy this pitch that we produced:

www.madisonrosemusic.com

it got a VH1 Pilot made...

Ash, again thanks for your comments.
No they are not making prints. It's going digital only for now.

I thought this was coming in the theaters in December? What happened?

Ash, thought you would enjoy this pitch that we produced:

www.madisonrosemusic.com

it got a VH1 Pilot made...


I did like that, great EPK for a band...the band is good too which helps!


ash =o)

Dec 8th in 21 theaters