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Phil Bloom
October 23rd, 2006, 07:15 AM
I have made a demo video using my Sony A1e, Steadicam Merlin, Letus35 flip enhanced and others.

Link is:

http://web.mac.com/philip.bloom/iWeb/Site/HDV%20demo%20video.html

Jeff DeMaagd
October 23rd, 2006, 01:37 PM
That's very nice.

Oleg Kalyan
October 23rd, 2006, 01:37 PM
Philip!
Enjoyed watching it, would like to see more of telephoto lens and rack focus, to get more of 35 adapter, which lens have you used on 35? What is the name of the song at the end? It's great! How would you rate A1 to your other cameras? I shot a wedding with it, also using Z1 and Canon H1 and on some shots A1 looks crispier...Regards, Oleg.

Phil Bloom
October 23rd, 2006, 01:54 PM
Thanks very much!

I like my A1, I much prefer the Z1, it's far better for the 35mm stuff as you have total manual control over everything. But considering the size the A1 is amazing.

I used a fast f2.6 35-70mm sigma nikon mount lens for the 35mm stuff.

The song is by Jeff Alexander, called Come Wander with Me. It's off the Air compilation CD, late night tales

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Night_Tales:_Air

Phil

Martin Noboa
October 23rd, 2006, 03:48 PM
yeah, thanks for the info
I also have a hvr a1, and I´m saving to get an sgpro adapter for a film project next year,
but I guess I would have to save first to upgrade to Z1, considering what you said about the manual control, and the fact of mediocre low light performance of a1...

Tony Macasaet
October 23rd, 2006, 05:45 PM
Very well done. It left me wanting more... and with enthusiasm about what this little gem can do.

Jack D. Hubbard
October 23rd, 2006, 10:27 PM
Phil,

Very nicely done. I may have missed it; but what kind of fisheye did you use?

jh

Phil Bloom
October 24th, 2006, 01:09 AM
Thanks everyone.

The fisheye is the century optics .3x. I got it for about $300 from Adorama.
It's a lovely little lens.

Bill McMullen
October 24th, 2006, 02:26 AM
Hey Phil, looks great! Very honest-looking video, complemented by your gadgets rather than overwhelmed, like some of the 'rack focus' shots we see on the internet when someone's using a Letus or something.

I have a nearly identical set-up, and although you have titled your video well, letting us know what's being used and when, I was wondering if you used Magic Bullet on these shots. I noticed it listed on your homepage and I'm wondering... LookSuite? Magic Bullet 24p conversion? The opening shot seems to have that trademark 'doubling' of combined fields, so I'm curious if you used Magic Bullet, Natress, or anything at all. And which encoding method did you use to create the 'demo4.mp4' file?

Thanks for the info.


EDIT: I want to clarify that by 'honest-looking' I'm talking about the nature of what we're watching, not whether or not it looks like 'video' or not...

Phil Bloom
October 24th, 2006, 02:43 AM
Thanks Bill,

The opening looks like that as it is sped up by about 20000x! But yes I used Natress 2.5.1 to de-interlace the video, using I think the fast de-interlace smart blend. I also crushed the blacks a little more and brought the saturation up a notch or two. The colour setting on my a1e was already up by about 3 notches and I was using cinematone 1.

Surprisingly the de-interlacing on the pure HDV footage played through my HD monitor was much more subtle than I expected, the interlaced footage itself was pretty lovely as it was. The "clean" footage itself from the A1 was great, but as everything from film to minidv a bit of colour grading always helps!

I encoded the .mp4 version directly as an export from Final Cut Pro

Bill McMullen
October 24th, 2006, 02:53 AM
Well, it looks good to me...

Most of what I've been doing with my A1U lately is very untreated video for interviews I've been collecting, but I've also invested in a 'narrative' set-up as I call it, following a helpful list from RP Cuenco, with the Letus35 Flip, follow-focus, Cavision rods, Magic Bullet, mics, etc. but I haven't experimented with that set-up too much. As you must know, it's a 20 minute exercise to put that whole thing together and it quadruples the size of the camera!

So I'll take all of those settings into consideration as I mess with my set-up on my next project...

Thanks again.

Phil Bloom
October 24th, 2006, 03:19 AM
I would normally recommend shooting the video "clean" if you have the ability it grade it yourself, it gives you so much more flexibility in the edit.

You are one up on me with the follow focus!

The A1 is an amazing bit of kit, I have always been a bit snooty of "toy" cameras coming from a full size broadcast camera background. Finding them useful but never a replacement. That is until I first laid my hands on a z1. The picture quality is incredible, true the buttons are fiddly, the focus ring and iris controls are not great but once you get used to them you have a truly amazing camera and much more flexible and a full size camera...and then I tried the A1. How on earth can a camera this small, with only one chip create pictures that look as good as that?!

Just by using a small camera when you film people makes them so much more relaxed if they aren't used to being filmed. I was amazed at how easy and relaxed people were with my a1 (and letus flip with a fat lens on it), normally they see me with my big camera and run a mile!

I have been basically playing with all the new gear for the past few weeks and it took some of it with me on holiday to the states to give it a proper workout. Hopefully I should be using it, mainly the z1, but definately the letus flip and steadicam merlin on some paid broadcast work in the next couple of weeks. I will be keeping all my cinematone settings, gamma etc to neutral as they will be professionally graded in a post production house after the edit, although if I had time to do it myself FCP and Natress does it just as well!

Magic Bullet is great, but the editors package for Avid and FCP is a grading package only and doesn't de-interlace, you need Magic Bullet suite that only runs on After Effects. The great thing about Natress (although i think it is for FCP only) is for a hundred quid you get grading and lovely de-interlacing. Actually, the best de-interlacer I have used for Avid is by 3prong, called Speed Ramp, it's really lovely, no jagged edges.

Phil Bloom
October 24th, 2006, 03:28 AM
one thing, most of the DOF footage in the video, apart from the dancing woman was shot near the beginning of my experiences with the Letus, so there is a sort of film of grain over some of it, this was down to me not having fresh batteries in it. You really don't lose much detail at all with it, I was shocked at how sharp and detailed the image looked using it on a big screen tv!

Phil Bloom
October 24th, 2006, 03:30 AM
yeah, thanks for the info
I also have a hvr a1, and I´m saving to get an sgpro adapter for a film project next year,
but I guess I would have to save first to upgrade to Z1, considering what you said about the manual control, and the fact of mediocre low light performance of a1...


The SGpro gives lovely footage, the other one I would recommend although a bit more expensive is the Brevis35. It's much smaller, doesn't need rods and Dennis Wood is bringing out a screw on flip adaptor for it by Christmas which would make your life much easier. I basically went with the Letus35 flip enhanced purely because I need the footage to be the right way up. I don't want to be fiddling with magnets, I am certainly not going to hold my camera upside down but most importantly for me is that when I am employed as purely a cameraman for hire I can't give clients footage that needs flipping in the edit, they need to be able to look at and log rushes off the tape without turning the monitor upside down!

don't discount the idea of using the A1 with a 35mm adaptor after all it's what I used to shoot this video, you just have to be really careful as grain creeps in all the time, I also found I kept knocking my zoom control slightly. The z1 would give you much more control, feels much better with an adaptor on it and you won't get any grain (unless you want to!) but if you already have an A1 my advice is buy a 35mm adaptor for it first, giving you time to get used to it, practice with it then when you eventually get a z1 you will be very confident about how much light you need and how to get the best out of it.

Actually instead of buying a z1 if your interest it in making films then you have to get the new V1 (it's also cheaper!) as it shoots lovely progressive, has full manual controls and is a bit smaller and lighter than the z1, it also if you are using it with a DOF adaptor, has a 20x zoom, twice the length of the a1.

The only compromises I can see over the z1 are that it only shoots Pal (or NTSC if you buy the U version) and it doesn't use third inch chips, it uses quarter inch chips which makes it even harder to get shallow depth of field than with an a1 or z1 so you HAVE to buy a 35mm adaptor! Someone on another thread in the V1 are with a brain the size of a small planet worked out that you get 33% more depth of filed with the v1 than a z1/a1 at the same focal length, shooting distance, iris etc... So that is quite a lot, meaning to get a soft background on say a medium close up without a 35mm DOF adaptor you will need to shoot about 2 miles from the subject (well maybe not as far as that!). With a DOF adaptor on my A1 I can get a soft background on a medium close up pretty much from as close or as far from the subject as I want.

Martin Noboa
October 24th, 2006, 06:51 AM
thanks man,
I tooked a look at the Sony V1, it looks pretty cool ...not that cheap though,
but I certainly would consider it over the Z1 for film projects!!

Phil Bloom
October 24th, 2006, 11:38 AM
yeah, sony are definately marketing it for the "independent film maker" rather that broadcast tv. Hence it is only a little bit cheaper than the z1 and the main selling point is progressive making it very easy to transfer it to film if needed. If I had the spare cash I would buy it. Looks lovely, little bit lighter so using it on the Steadicam Merlin would be easier and all my accessories would fit it!

John Rofrano
October 24th, 2006, 01:51 PM
Phil, Excellent video clip. Can you share with us how you like the Steadicam Merlin and what made you select it? I’m look for a steadicam and the Varizoom VZ-Ultralite and Glidecam 2000 are 1/3 the price ($299UD vs $799USD!), hold the same weight, and seem to work on the same principle. What made you select the more expensive Merlin?

~jr

Martin Noboa
October 24th, 2006, 01:58 PM
yeah, I have been reading about your problems to balance the Z1 in the Merlin. Last week I was about to order a Merlin for my film project (shooting on november 25th - 60 pages script) I was wondering and dreaming if with the Merlin maybe I could have achieve a slight dolly feeling at least, but as I´m complelty inexpierent with steadycams and I´m preproduction I´d have not much time to practice with it, plus my dop never touched one, and I prefer to be focus on the acting rather than resolving balance and steady stuff etc...
So merlin and sgpro would be for next year projects...

by the way, looks pretty good your stuff.
Would you recomend to shoot with black strech and cinematone 1 on film poyect?? (film with lots of colours in costums, despite it´s winter season here in europe)

thanks once more
martin

Phil Bloom
October 24th, 2006, 03:06 PM
Phil, Excellent video clip. Can you share with us how you like the Steadicam Merlin and what made you select it? I’m look for a steadicam and the Varizoom VZ-Ultralite and Glidecam 2000 are 1/3 the price ($299UD vs $799USD!), hold the same weight, and seem to work on the same principle. What made you select the more expensive Merlin?

~jr

Thanks John,

I love the Merlin, it's a pain in the butt to get used to but then if it was easy everyone would use it. Took me about a month of practicing to get happy with it and I still can't do a tenth of what it is capable of. Very frustrating, but the rewards are fantastic. You truly can get motion like the full size steadicam. The gimbal system is way better than any of the other systems.

I have a Varizoom flowpod, a bigger version of the Ultralite, I have the low flow add on which is great for those low POV stuff. The normal stuff is fine but you really don't get anywhere near the quality or smoothness of the Merlin. The gimbal on the Merlin is incredibly smooth and precise but for me the best thing about the Merlin is it's just so damn light! It weighs next to nothing on it's own and the counterweights are just a quarter of weight of the camera by it's clever arc design, whereas all the others are the same weight as the camera as by design stabilizers needs to be ever so slightly bottom heavy. The Glidecam is REALLY heavy without any weights so using it for any length of time is impossible.

The Merlin and the A1 are a beautiful combination, I used it solidly for two hours, had muscle and neck ache but there is no way I could do that with a Ultralite or Glidecam.

You really do get what you paid for. I would buy the Merlin again in an instant!

Just go onto the Merlin section here and read posts from steadicam old hands like Mikko Wilson and Charles Papert (a real expert, who shot American History X amongst others) who will explain just how amazing the Merlin is.

Phil

Phil Bloom
October 24th, 2006, 03:15 PM
yeah, I have been reading about your problems to balance the Z1 in the Merlin. Last week I was about to order a Merlin for my film project (shooting on november 25th - 60 pages script) I was wondering and dreaming if with the Merlin maybe I could have achieve a slight dolly feeling at least, but as I´m complelty inexpierent with steadycams and I´m preproduction I´d have not much time to practice with it, plus my dop never touched one, and I prefer to be focus on the acting rather than resolving balance and steady stuff etc...
So merlin and sgpro would be for next year projects...

by the way, looks pretty good your stuff.
Would you recomend to shoot with black strech and cinematone 1 on film poyect?? (film with lots of colours in costums, despite it´s winter season here in europe)

thanks once more
martin

Yeah I know how cold it is, got back from Miami at the weekend, back in rainy London.

I wouldn't go near the Merlin just yet, the balancing is just part of the hard part. The learning curve is too steep for something that you have never touched before. I bought it two months ago and still feel i need another months practice before I can really use it on my broadcast stuff with new clients. It's amazing, but you need so much practice. You can do dolly moves but only with a lot of practice. I still can't really do them, it's the stopping and starting that is hard!

If you can at all try and hire a Wally Dolly, i have one, it's beautiful. Sets up in minutes, is incredibly smooth and very easy to operate! There's nothing like a dolly for dolly shots!!!

I do tend to shoot black stretch and cinematone 1 but you are probably better off shooting clean and doing any grading in the edit, gives you more options!

John Rofrano
October 24th, 2006, 06:27 PM
Just go onto the Merlin section here and read posts from steadicam old hands like Mikko Wilson and Charles Papert (a real expert, who shot American History X amongst others) who will explain just how amazing the Merlin is.
No need to ask anyone. You’ve used all the ones I was looking at and you prefer the Merlin. That’s good enough for me. I’m SOLD! ;-) Thanks for your insight.

~jr

Phil Bloom
October 25th, 2006, 04:38 AM
Good luck with it John. It's the best piece of DV kit out there!

I just got confirmed a commission to shoot an 11 part documentary series here for channel 4. Going to shoot it using a combination of my z1/a1 and with the Merlin and DOF adaptor.

Good luck and practice every day with it!!

Michael Y Wong
October 25th, 2006, 11:52 AM
I just got confirmed a commission to shoot an 11 part documentary series here for channel 4. Going to shoot it using a combination of my z1/a1 and with the Merlin and DOF adaptor.


WOW! Will that work though? I want to pickup either a Letux enhanced or M2 and throw thaton my HC1+Merlin, but I always figure that will be impossible to balance properly with the Merlin becuz it'll end up ridiculously front heavy.

Let us konw how it works out!!!!

Phil Bloom
October 25th, 2006, 12:34 PM
WOW! Will that work though? I want to pickup either a Letux enhanced or M2 and throw thaton my HC1+Merlin, but I always figure that will be impossible to balance properly with the Merlin becuz it'll end up ridiculously front heavy.

Let us konw how it works out!!!!

I didn't mean at the same time! Although that is my next goal. DOF adaptor on the Merlin. you would have to set the focus at the start of the move as you couldnt touch the lens whilst operating the merlin.

I was imaginging doing a walk and talk with me doing the old "Don Juan" quite close to the talent. Using a very light small lens (i have an f1.4 50mm nikon which is tiny) and the DOF adaptor on the camera, i will try first with my A1, although it has such a strange centre of gravity i may come unstuck, but I think it is possible. I could move the dovetail plate to one of the most forward holes and also have it further back on the stage.

The letus flip enhanced maybe wont work because it is so big but the letus35a on its own or the brevis35 could well work. When I use my letus enhanced on my a1 it needs rod support due it only being a 37mm thread so that also might be a problem with the Merlin, although technically the a1, letus enhanced, small lens and cavision rods do still weigh less than a z1 so maybe...

I think it will definately work on the new v1, with a pd150 style centre of gravity, a fat battery on the back and half a kilo lighter than the z1 it should work really well.

Lee Kazimir
November 6th, 2006, 07:08 PM
The video link is dead. Can you repost it somewhere? Would love to watch it again.

Phil Bloom
November 7th, 2006, 02:57 AM
sorry. changed the name of my site so link died (although if you click my homepage it's still there) new direct link posted!

http://web.mac.com/philip.bloom/iWeb/Philip%20Bloom/HDV%20demo%20video.html

Tony Macasaet
January 5th, 2007, 12:29 AM
Phil, or others...

Kindly detail what is needed to use the Letus enhanced on the HVR-A1... ie rods, adapters for the 37mm threads, etc.

How much larger is this rig compared to an off the shelf A1?

Thank you.