Maat Vansloot
October 15th, 2006, 04:40 PM
I am having a bit of a problem with my HD100. I've done some searching around here but have not seen any other mentions of it.
Sometimes I am getting a dark horizontal bar running across about 1/5 of the way down from the top of my screen. The width of it varies a little, but normally it is about the width of an AA battery if you were viewing on a 20 inch screen.
The horizontal bar is dark, but not opaque. It is simply a darker area of the image.
Now for the dreaded SSE part of the story. This horizontal bar often appears during the same conditions that make the SSE appear (lower-light shots, high-gain shots, FAS, etc). But sometimes the horizontal line appears under more favorable (but still not perfect) conditions where there is no trace of the SSE at all.
I am more concerned about this horizontal bar than I am about the SSE because it happens more often, but I must admit as a newbie that this whole SSE thing bothers me too. I bought my camera with total piece of mind; confident that the SSE thing was solved.
I know the whole subject has been done to death and I have read quite a bit of the many threads devoted to it. Before I bought the camera (early September 2006) I sifted through a lot of very helpful information on here. In fact, these forums provided most of the data I used to make the decision to go with the HD100 (especially the Texas Shootout).
In the end, it was neck-and-neck between the HD100 and the Panny. One thing that worried me greatly about the HD100, however, was all this talk about the split screen effect.
But, the more I read, the more I became convinced that JVC was aware of the problem and working diligently to solve it. From what I read here, I believed (perhaps naively and/or incorrectly) that the new "A" upgrade had taken care of the problem and now every thing was A-OK.
So that clinched it, and I went with the JVC.
Well, when I got it and started testing it I saw that I did indeed have the SSE problem (as well as the even worse horizontal bar problem). First I was a little pissed, then a little worried, but then I calmed down and thought "Hey! No problem! I'll just send it to JVC and they'll calibrate it and clear it all up for free!!"
But then I started reading the SSE postings in much greater depth (yes, I should have read them more carefully the first time, but pre-purchase, once I read that the "A' update fixed the SSE problem I thought "hmm... problem solved" and stopped reading the SSE threads)
So on my POST-purchase perusal I started reading things like-- "Well, if you are only seeing the SSE in +6dB or worse then you are doing pretty good. If you send it back to JVC and ask them to fix it they'll just laugh at you, and say 'that's as good as it gets!'"
OK-- I am both paraphrasing and exaggerating there but I was amazed that HD100 owners casually accepted a camera that could not produce an acceptable image in low-light/medium gain situations.
This camera, after all, seems to me to be more of an ENG/news photography camera than any of the other sub $10K HD/HDV cameras. If anything, the HD100 needs to perform BETTER in low light-- not worse. Not everybody with an HD100 is making films with perfectly lit sets.
So, I apologize in advance for being a little snarky. It's just that it cost me a lot of money and I want to be able to occasionally--not even very often at all-- shoot in low light with out big bars and lines on my screen (the grain, of course, is quite normal).
To summarize-- I am really most concerned about this horizontal bar thing that I've never heard anyone else here on DVinfo even mention. As for the SSE, if a calibration could make it al little better, that would be great too.
PS-- I've tried letting the camera warm up for a while before shooting and that does seem to help somewhat with both the SSE and the horizontal thing.
PPS- I've checked, and yes my camera does have the little "A" sticker underneath by the shoulder pad.
This was a very long post, but this issue is very important to me. Thank you all for reading it and I hope you will find it in your blessed little video hearts to help me out here.
In other words…. HELP!
Sometimes I am getting a dark horizontal bar running across about 1/5 of the way down from the top of my screen. The width of it varies a little, but normally it is about the width of an AA battery if you were viewing on a 20 inch screen.
The horizontal bar is dark, but not opaque. It is simply a darker area of the image.
Now for the dreaded SSE part of the story. This horizontal bar often appears during the same conditions that make the SSE appear (lower-light shots, high-gain shots, FAS, etc). But sometimes the horizontal line appears under more favorable (but still not perfect) conditions where there is no trace of the SSE at all.
I am more concerned about this horizontal bar than I am about the SSE because it happens more often, but I must admit as a newbie that this whole SSE thing bothers me too. I bought my camera with total piece of mind; confident that the SSE thing was solved.
I know the whole subject has been done to death and I have read quite a bit of the many threads devoted to it. Before I bought the camera (early September 2006) I sifted through a lot of very helpful information on here. In fact, these forums provided most of the data I used to make the decision to go with the HD100 (especially the Texas Shootout).
In the end, it was neck-and-neck between the HD100 and the Panny. One thing that worried me greatly about the HD100, however, was all this talk about the split screen effect.
But, the more I read, the more I became convinced that JVC was aware of the problem and working diligently to solve it. From what I read here, I believed (perhaps naively and/or incorrectly) that the new "A" upgrade had taken care of the problem and now every thing was A-OK.
So that clinched it, and I went with the JVC.
Well, when I got it and started testing it I saw that I did indeed have the SSE problem (as well as the even worse horizontal bar problem). First I was a little pissed, then a little worried, but then I calmed down and thought "Hey! No problem! I'll just send it to JVC and they'll calibrate it and clear it all up for free!!"
But then I started reading the SSE postings in much greater depth (yes, I should have read them more carefully the first time, but pre-purchase, once I read that the "A' update fixed the SSE problem I thought "hmm... problem solved" and stopped reading the SSE threads)
So on my POST-purchase perusal I started reading things like-- "Well, if you are only seeing the SSE in +6dB or worse then you are doing pretty good. If you send it back to JVC and ask them to fix it they'll just laugh at you, and say 'that's as good as it gets!'"
OK-- I am both paraphrasing and exaggerating there but I was amazed that HD100 owners casually accepted a camera that could not produce an acceptable image in low-light/medium gain situations.
This camera, after all, seems to me to be more of an ENG/news photography camera than any of the other sub $10K HD/HDV cameras. If anything, the HD100 needs to perform BETTER in low light-- not worse. Not everybody with an HD100 is making films with perfectly lit sets.
So, I apologize in advance for being a little snarky. It's just that it cost me a lot of money and I want to be able to occasionally--not even very often at all-- shoot in low light with out big bars and lines on my screen (the grain, of course, is quite normal).
To summarize-- I am really most concerned about this horizontal bar thing that I've never heard anyone else here on DVinfo even mention. As for the SSE, if a calibration could make it al little better, that would be great too.
PS-- I've tried letting the camera warm up for a while before shooting and that does seem to help somewhat with both the SSE and the horizontal thing.
PPS- I've checked, and yes my camera does have the little "A" sticker underneath by the shoulder pad.
This was a very long post, but this issue is very important to me. Thank you all for reading it and I hope you will find it in your blessed little video hearts to help me out here.
In other words…. HELP!