I'm contemplating a wide angle adapter for the HV-10 - my brief time with it in a store leads me to think that this would be a useful accessory.
I have come across a wide angle adapter made by a Japanese company called Raynox, which appears to do what I want. The specific model is the Raynox HD-5005, which offers 0.5x magnification. Info on this converter is here: http://raynox.co.jp/english/video/hd5000pro/index.htm
I was wondering if others have experience with this company's converters and any advice on using such a device with a camera such as an HV-10.

Separate but related question, sorry to sort of hijack the thread David-

I was looking also for the Canon wide-angle adapter, Canon lists the model# as " Wide Converter WD-H37C" . (note the C on the end)

I looked around <company X>, <company Y>, <company Z> etc for the WD-H37C part,
but they only listed WD-H37 ... not H37*C* .
Product code# is 1305B001AA per Canon manual/website , compatibility only w/ HV10, not Optura10/others (which the H37 part seems to be for.)

Canon's website lists also WD-H37 wide adapter, but for Opturas...
that product code# appears to be 8836A001AA.

I checked <Company X> details for the listed WD-H37 (NOT C part), and it has the 8836A001 number. I think this is DIFFERENT part. ??

Can anyone confirm there really is a functional etc difference here, eg two different/incompatible parts?

If so / meantime, people may need to be very careful ordering the right part.

Also note, the Tele Converter TL-H37 and FS-H37U 37MM Filter Set DO seem to have the same part# and compatibility listing, across the HV10 and Optura 10/20, so those are OK.

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We are planning to purchase the hv10 for a pov camera that we can plan to throw in many different uses, for a travel show. A wide angle lens / attachment is definitely needed for this purpose, will the Canon WD-H37C 0.7x Wide Angle Converter be appropriate for a HDV shoot?

We are planning to purchase the hv10 for a pov camera that we can plan to throw in many different uses, for a travel show. A wide angle lens / attachment is definitely needed for this purpose, will the Canon WD-H37C 0.7x Wide Angle Converter be appropriate for a HDV shoot?
I downloaded the manual that is linked in at the top of the forum. On pg 86, that is the one listed.

I am debating about using one as a POV helmet cam myself. Need a wide angle too.

cool! thanks for the info, i am guessing the wide angle is notgoing to distort the HD image too much then, if anyone has any experience with this, please post your comments. Thank you

Spike, have you found a fit for a POV case yet or are you even doing a helmet mount? So far, the best site I have found is this guide at Mountain Bike Bill's and Pete Fager's.

http://www.mountainbikebill.com/HowToVideo.htm
http://www.petefagerlin.com/video_how_to.htm

I have purchased the set up in question and it works great when your not zoomed in, there is distorting on the edges. When I purchased this wide angle lens I knew it was not a full zoom through.

I use the camera as a POV in conjunction with my XL-H1.

I have come across a wide angle adapter made by a Japanese company called Raynox, which appears to do what I want. The specific model is the Raynox HD-5005, which offers 0.5x magnification. Info on this converter is here: http://raynox.co.jp/english/video/hd5000pro/index.htm
I was wondering if others have experience with this company's converters and any advice on using such a device with a camera such as an HV-10.

I have this combination (HV10+ HD-5050), it works just like you would expect, no vignetting anywhere in the zoom range even on full wide angle.

HV10 + Raynox 5050 Wide angle on full wide.

Actually there is some vignetting when you are on full wide (I just didn't notice it on the LCD - it must overscan a little)

http://www.filefactory.com/file/884d91/

!! I change my mind yet again !!

There is no vignetting on the Raynox HD5050 wide angle lens - I left the plastic extender ring on by accident - hence the vignetting on the movie posted above.

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/4316/wideez0.jpg

Wow! And it is only $95USD at B&H! And it has a filter ring!

Wow! And it is only $95USD at B&H! And it has a filter ring!

Yep! the lens end is threaded (62mm) so you have the option of sticking filters on this end or the camera end (37mm).

Cool, thanks-
is the HD5050 big enough to also block (or otherwise confuse) the IAF sensor?
eg you need to disable Instant AF ?

What is the effect on the full telephoto?

Cool, thanks-
is the HD5050 big enough to also block (or otherwise confuse) the IAF sensor?
eg you need to disable Instant AF ?

The lens does block the IAF sensor, see pics here >>

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7812/iafblockkd4.jpg

But strangely the auto focus doesn't seem to mind (??) perhaps it switches to standard auto-focus automatically when big lens' or thumbs stop it from taking a meaningful reading (??)

What is the effect on the full telephoto?

Same as the un-lensed HV10 on full telephoto but with 100% more area in the picture (the lens is a 0.5X) so it is like not having a lens attached and not quite zooming in as much.

Thanks for the pics. My biggest concern is the level of image fidelity is lessened by the use of the adapter. It's a bit hard to tell in the stills, but the movie clip does show some softening and "separating" of the image. Personally, I'd be interested in a higher grade of lens. Currently I'm considering the Century Optics/Schneider line found here:

http://www.schneideroptics.com/ecommerce/CatalogSubCategoryDisplay.aspx?CID=1069

I've been disappointed with cheap wide adapters in the past. My goal is to find the best quality adapter possible to maintain as much image quality as possible.

... It's a bit hard to tell in the stills, but the movie clip does show some softening and "separating" of the image ...

Not to mention the barrel distortion. But that's to be expected, I guess...

I use a Raynox HD-6600PRO49 49mm (Wide angle lens) with my Canon HV10, and it works flawlessly! No vignetting; no barrel distortion. I originally bought this WA lens for use with my Panasonic GS250 --- which likewise, produces excellent results with WA attached.

VM/HDG

I use a Raynox HD-6600PRO49 49mm (Wide angle lens) with my Canon HV10, and it works flawlessly! No vignetting; no barrel distortion. I originally bought this WA lens for use with my Panasonic GS250 --- which likewise, produces excellent results with WA attached.

VM/HDG


Do you have any footage or stills you can post ?


Cheers

Lee

Lee;

About an hour before you requested footage/stills taken with my Raynox WA lens, I deleted raw capture files, which I had filmed of Amish country locally. I capture, edit, author and burn in HD format (1440x1080), which results in humongous raw files on the computer. Once I output to DVD (HD-DVD spec), and backup the DVD Folder to external Hard Drive, I immediately delete RAW source files, in order to make room for subsequently-filmed HDV content.

I may have a still photo, or two from the Amish Country shoot, but --- I'm not sure which ones were taken with WA lens attached.

As for video samples, I don't know of a way to edit/convert/reduce an .EVO file, which is the file format of my Amish Country, HD-DVD Folder content??? Presently, this is the only WA footage that I have.

With my Raynox WA being .66x, as opposed to .50x of your Raynox WA, I assume this difference accounts for why no vignetting and/or barrel distortion when attached to my HV10??? I should clarify that when used on my Panasonic GS250 (43mm to 49mm step-up ring) minimal vignetting occurred, due to its being THICKER than the smaller step-up ring (37mm to 49mm) used with my Canon HV10. That said, the "vignetting" with the GS250 at full WIDE position was barely visible in 16x9 clips played on the computer; but ... totally not present when those clips are edited to standard DVD.

With the weather being bleak here locally, I don't plan on doing any outdoor filming, until the weather breaks. If you still wish me to snap some indoor stills with the Raynox HD-6600PRO49 mounted to my HV10, I'll try and attach a sample, or two ... as time permits.

VM/HDG

With my Raynox WA being .66x, as opposed to .50x of your Raynox WA, I assume this difference accounts for why no vignetting and/or barrel distortion when attached to my HV10??? I should clarify that when used on my Panasonic GS250 (43mm to 49mm step-up ring) minimal vignetting occurred, due to its being THICKER than the smaller step-up ring (37mm to 49mm) used with my Canon HV10. That said, the "vignetting" with the GS250 at full WIDE position was barely visible in 16x9 clips played on the computer; but ... totally not present when those clips are edited to standard DVD.

I got vignetting in the corners with the HD5050 Pro when I left the step-up ring in place, bizarrely it was 37mm to 37mm (??) so removing it made no difference with regard to attachment - but it did bring the lens 2 or 3 mm closer to the camera giving me a vignette free image.

With the weather being bleak here locally, I don't plan on doing any outdoor filming, until the weather breaks. If you still wish me to snap some indoor stills with the Raynox HD-6600PRO49 mounted to my HV10, I'll try and attach a sample, or two ... as time permits.

VM/HDG

Anything would be great !


Lee.

Lee Wilson;

I attach two pair of still images taken today, taken with and without Raynox HD-6600Pro (49mm) wide angle lens. Like I said, I see no barrel distortion, nor vignetting with this WA lens.

See attached, and I welcome your remarks,

VM/HDG

I plan on purchasing the HV10 in the next month. Reading this thread caught my interest as I do have the Sony VCL-HG0737Y wideangle 37mm lens. The front of the lens is 77mm. Anyone know if this will work with the HV10 or is this just getting too large?

Hawood: That telephone pole in front of the red container there looks a bit bent to me. Checking it in Photoshop reveals the same thing. It's not bad, though, and not noticeable if you're not specifically looking for it.

Hawood: That telephone pole in front of the red container there looks a bit bent to me. Checking it in Photoshop reveals the same thing. It's not bad, though, and not noticeable if you're not specifically looking for it.
I think the telephone pole is bent. The one further to the right appears to be straight. The further away from center, the more bend it should have, so not sure. It looks like a harder picture to compare than Lee's using the corners of the room.

George and Even;

Guess what? I viewed the original WA shots in which the "bent telephone pole" is included, and ... indeed you're right, the specified telephone pole in the original likewise, appears to be slightly bent inward. I'm speaking of the telephone pole with a yellow rectangle sign which reads "Stop Ahead". The yellow sign isn't readable in the reduced-in-size posted photo, but it's clearly readable in the full-sized original.

Okay, so what to make of the apparent bent telephone pole? Well, I took it upon myself to go out into the cold, sunny morning here, and see for myself whether the pole in the photo in fact is bent, or straight. Without a doubt the actual pole in question is bent to the left, as seen in the small sample photo I posted. Interestingly, most of the telephone poles in the posted scene were newly installed about a year ago. I noticed at the time that the newer poles were thinner than the originals being replaced; and that they tended to sway with the wind. Not sure why more flexible wooden poles were used to replace the originals?

If you compare the WA shot with the "Without WA" shot, I think you will notice the same inward bend that confirms my on-site observation.

Note: I originally intended to post comparative, indoor samples (WA vs. non-WA) which clearly show no barrel distortion, or vignetting. However, I encountered a problem in which the flash favored the left side of the scene, while causing the right side of the photograph to be grainy. RE: the large WA lens interferes with the flash, which is mounted left of the WA lens.

Okay, so after a bit of experimentation, I managed to snap an indoor WA sample, in which the flash is not obstructed by the WA lens.

See attachment ...

VM/HDG

I plan on purchasing the HV10 in the next month. Reading this thread caught my interest as I do have the Sony VCL-HG0737Y wideangle 37mm lens. The front of the lens is 77mm. Anyone know if this will work with the HV10 or is this just getting too large?

I own the same lens.

As a test, I took my Sony lens into a camera seller and popped in on a display HV10 a few weeks ago. I don't recall any vignetting or barrel distortion. As for disrupting automatic sensors, etc. I didn't have time to do a full range of tests. My most immediate observation was that it didn't make a very wide-angle image. At its widest setting, the HV 10 lens is 43.6mm (35mm equivalent). With a 0.7x wide-angle adapter attached, you get a 30.5mm (35mm equivalent). Still not very wide, in my opinion. I'm looking for a high-grade 0.65x or 0.55x.

Of course, it all depends how wide you want to go.

Well, as I said, there may (or may not) be some barrel distortion, but if there is, it's not much of an issue. The images seem fine, and I'm sure once you start filming (as opposed to shooting stills, which I'd do with my 5D anyway), you're not going to notice anything. I've added a 5050 to my next B&H shopping list. :)

Lee, do you know what the diameter or size of the front of the Raynox HD5050 is? I want to be able to put some sort of a UV/clear / ND filter there, however I don't know what the size of front part of the wide angle is... Thanks

Spike

It's 62mm.

(and of course you can insert a smaller 37mm ND filter between the 'HV10' and the 'HD5050 Pro')

i tried putting in a filter between the hd5050 and the hv10 but got a big deal of vignetting when i did that. It initially led me to believe the 5050 caused vignetting but after i took out the clear filter in between, it was just fine!

i tried putting in a filter between the hd5050 and the hv10 but got a big deal of vignetting when i did that. It initially led me to believe the 5050 caused vignetting but after i took out the clear filter in between, it was just fine!


Have you removed the 37mm to 37mm adaptor ring that comes fixed onto the HD5050 ?

hmm, i didn't know the wide angle had a 37 to 37, is that why there was vignetting when i put the clear filter between the camera and the wide angle?? I will check this when i'm in the office and note back.

Yep!

There is a 37mm to 37mm adaptor on the lens when shipped, a bit of good old fashioned brute force twists it off revealing a set of perfectly good 37mm threads beneath - this will put the lens that much closer to the camera and help with vignetting.

yeah there was a 37 to 37 adapter that i took out, but i still noticed a slight bit of vignetting with the hoya filter between the camera and the wide angle... Ah well, i'll just have to get a 62mm filter for the front of the wide angle, no biggie.

I use the same wide angle adaptor with my Sony HC1 cam(37 mm). I noticed the same thing than you (you can pull off the 37 to 37 mm adaptor). But I noticed later that the rear lense of the Raynox was now in real contact with the front lense of the cam (It was not obvious, I just noticed a small dirty place at the center of the two lenses)! To check it, I put a small and thin paper between the two lenses, and yes it turned whith the lense before the end of the screw in.
I hope for you that your cam leave more room between the lenses. I think it could be the case, because I dont have any "vignetage" with the ring on, but I have some, when I leave my cam lense UV filter on.

Contrary to some other experiences the Raynox 0.5 HD5050PRO does vignette on the HV10. It doesn't look like it in the view finder, but when you pull it into the computer it is there.

Also, the image is fairly sharp in the middle, but looses sharpness as you go to the edge by a factor of somewhere between 2 & 4- just eye balling it.

It has some barrel distortion, but I kind of liked the artsy look.

Also there was some previous discussion about removing the 37-37mm adapter ring. On the HV10 that is not a good idea because the lense will rub against the camera's front.

If you are sure you are going to use it in an overscan display then it might be OK, but I think I am going to have to return it. I am going to consider the Raynox 49mm which was previously suggested or maybe the Canon 0.7X.

Rick

Hi Rick

I get zero vignetting with the HD5050 .

If you remove the 37mm - 37mm plastic ring to stop vignetting the back of the lens very slightly touchs the auto lens cap doors - these are not under power (touch them with your finger to see they will not resist even the lightest feather touch) - I have had my camera set up like this for months - no marks on either the lens or the auto lens cap.

The announced Canon wide is only .7 factor and that gives about a 30mm (35mm equiv). Any other quality options that fit these cam. I would really like a .5 (a little barrel distortion would be okay but not the fisheye look).

Useful point. . .but you only should be fine if the adapter's glass will resolve the 1080 stream, if not, no way. Chris?

I have a raynox HD5050 for my HV10 (the HD is for Hi-Def) it is a x 0.5.

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/4316/wideez0.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7812/iafblockkd4.jpg

See this thread for more details: http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=75774


Lee

Thanks for the info - I did not look back far enough for that other thread.

I looking for a wide angle lens (and or adaptor), has anyone tried some of the available solutions, and if so, do they work?

Check out what Lee posted here.

Seems like the Raynox 5050 is a nice WA. Lens

http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=75774&highlight=hd5050

I purchase the .7 wideangle and the 2x telephoto from Sunpak. Both are working very well. I am amazed at the quality I am getting with both.

I purchase the .7 wideangle and the 2x telephoto from Sunpak. Both are working very well. I am amazed at the quality I am getting with both.


I bought the Telephoto by sunpak as well and it was horrid. Maybe yours is better, but the cheap one I bought at BestBuy destroyed the HD quality of my recordings.

I plan on buying the HD2200pro by Raynox soon. It's best to buy the lenses that are HD compatible as I learned from the above experience. :)