glad to hear dvinfo is all over this like a can o' paint...nice work-up, chris!

More like a big, red Camkote cover...hehe.

A little inside joke between Meryem and myself.

-gb-

You guys aren't reading the right web sites...

See http://www.dvinfo.net/canonxh/watchdog.php under "additional features"

See also http://www.dvinfo.net/canonxh/xhfaq.php -- hope this helps,


Well I could say "time makes fools of us all" but since we both posted at 7:44am ....... can we have a seconds count? :)

It’s no successor to the GL2 but it is safe to say that this can be considered a successor to the Sony Z1u. Sony better release a successor from now until October because most people will definitely pick up the Canon XH G1 and the sales of the Z1u will be compromised. The 20X lens alone will be the deal breaker to most people.

these look impressive. now maybe apple will get off its butt and fully support 24f. i was on the verge of pulling the trigger on a used Z1 because i was getting tired of the wait, but now there's something truly worth waiting for....

I tell you what. You send me $5500 US and I'll send you my "nicely-used" Z1U. I'll then buy the XH G1 when it comes out in November and let you know how I like it! Do we have a deal?

Seriously, this new HDV camera from Sony is making me rethink my Z1U. Of course, as you state Meryem, I would wait until Apple fully supports 24f.

I'm thinking about a Sony XDCAM as my next camera for some of my work, but for the field work I do--and for those of you who don't know me field work usually means 3-days away from civilization in the humid rainforests of the Amazon or a similarly remote place--a small form factor camera is the only way to go. I did not buy the Canon XL H1 because it was a little too big and conspicuous for me.

Meryem, if you can, I suggest waiting for Apple's full support of 24f (which I imagine is around the corner) and then buying one of these new Canons.

I noticed on the Camcorderinfo.com comparison chart (http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-XH-A1-XH-G1-XL-H1-Panasonic-AG-HVX200-Sony-HDR-FX1-Compared.htm) that they show the G1 and A1 using 24P, not 24F like the H1, but 24P. This must be a typo.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=172

I noticed on the Camcorderinfo.com comparison chart (http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-XH-A1-XH-G1-XL-H1-Panasonic-AG-HVX200-Sony-HDR-FX1-Compared.htm) that they show the G1 and A1 using 24P, not 24F like the H1, but 24P. This must be a typo. Canon's info is 24F and 30F, and it is already determined that the GH cameras will use the same CCD block as the XL H1, so F mode it is. So the "24p" quoted elsewhere is irrelevant. BTW, that's what you get for going to other sites. DV INFO has the INFO and direct links to official information. ;-)

I never thought I'd be after a handycam again. But this certainly looks like my ideal B camera.

i'm betting you're not going to be able to squeeze that price out of a Z1 for long, jeff, you better unload it while you can!

it will be interesting to see how the other camera companies react. this *is* the proverbial ball out of the park, in my humble opinion. this is the ultimate travel/outdoors camera, and it will perform most excellently in the studio as well. every other HDV camera release has involved some sort of compromise for the types of work i do (too small zoom, inadequate audio set-up, no in-camera progressive option). this is the one.

actually, this is the two! i think getting one of each of these will be the way to go....

i wonder how that red camkote will work with one o' these!

Do these cameras even have a tape slot?

Canon's info is 24F and 30F, and it is already determined that the GH cameras will use the same CCD block as the XL H1, so F mode it is. So the "24p" quoted elsewhere is irrelevant. BTW, that's what you get for going to other sites. DV INFO has the INFO and direct links to official information. ;-)
haha,
Well, mistakes happen.

JVC HD2 any money on it!

They are the first and now the last to come up with a replacement prosumer camcorder.

This news is great!
Canon will really sell many of these, with those features combined with that price!

Only negative thing about it is, why would many people buy the XL H1 now?
Okay it looks more pro, and you have more lens choice, but this models are cheaper, have a MANUAL IRIS RING and the expensive model has audio over the HD-SDI!

EDIT: ps, maybe this thread can be moved to the new boards about these cameras too?

i'm betting you're not going to be able to squeeze that price out of a Z1 for long, jeff, you better unload it while you can!

it will be interesting to see how the other camera companies react. this *is* the proverbial ball out of the park, in my humble opinion. this is the ultimate travel/outdoors camera, and it will perform most excellently in the studio as well. every other HDV camera release has involved some sort of compromise for the types of work i do (too small zoom, inadequate audio set-up, no in-camera progressive option). this is the one.

I guess that means you're not accepting my offer? ;)

I agree that this will make the competition stand up and take note. The XH G1 has many of the features that I wish my Z1U had. Perhaps a new announcement from Sony in a few months?

It’s no successor to the GL2 but it is safe to say that this can be considered a successor to the Sony Z1u. Sony better release a successor from now until October because most people will definitely pick up the Canon XH G1 and the sales of the Z1u will be compromised. The 20X lens alone will be the deal breaker to most people.

As a Sony FX1 user, I agree, particularly with respect to the zoom issues. However, on the Sony side, we have been watching the status of the FX1, and its in and out of production rumors. Is it possible something with a dockable hard drive on board is coming, much like their consumer HD just released ??? And perhaps with 24f capability ??

We are in amazing times. The manufactureres are working overtime to try to outdo each other.

They are on the Canon US Website...

Do these cameras even have a tape slot?

Yes, they do. Look at the close up of the left-hand side of the camera from Chris's XH Series Watchdog page: http://www.dvinfo.net/canonxh/images/imgg1buttonsb.jpg You will notice the "Open" button near the top right.

Basically, any HDV camcorder is tape based at this time and records on to standard MiniDV tapes.

That's right, if it doesn't use Mini DV cassettes, then it ain't HDV.

What I haven't found yet is the SD card slot. I'm assuming it's inside the battery well. Maybe.

That's right, if it doesn't use Mini DV cassettes, then it ain't HDV.


LOL!!!! Spoken like a Pro!!

That's it! I'm buying two of them. I requested a budget for two Z1U's or an H1 in September. Forget it, I'll rent until these puppies hit the stores.

Hello,
The lux rating shows 7 lux . Wonder how it will hold up in low light.

My Z1U is supposedly 3 lux and still it wants lots o' light :)

Chris great site you pulled together XH's - so fast too.

Cheers
Paul

I’ve been in denial about being a Canon fan, but the jolt I got with these new cameras made me confront it. ;) I love Canon!!

It would be okay giving up the interchangeable lens capability for what these have, even assuming these lenses have that same Canon softness that frustrates me at times on wider shots (I still use XL1s). Love that instant AF feature!

Chris, your Watchdog pages are amazing. You “throw together” stuff real good! Thanks!

This is another big blow to the 720p format. We now have 8 1080i HDV cameras compared to the 3 720p HDV cameras. Those 3 720p cameras will be pretty much the same with just a few features added such as the HD200 and HD250. I have always been a huge fan of 720p but it is getting hard to stick with it since everything else seems to be going 1080i. Unless JVC comes out with some killer options for handheld 720p cameras I think I will have to kiss 720p goodbye.

Very nice cameras indeed. I guess if you use a mattebox you won't be able to use the secondary AF sensor thing since it will be blocked.

It might be too early to tell but I had some questions. What do you guys think?

- Do you think the on-board mic will physically interfere with a mattebox?

- If you select the constant zoom speed for the zoom rocker will it still ramp up smoothly to the set speed (and ramp down) or does it just go right to the set speed?

- Can all of the 36 zoom speeds be accessed by a remote lanc controller or will there be a proprietary Canon zoom controller?

I’ve been in denial about being a Canon fan, but the jolt I got with these new cameras made me confront it. ;) I love Canon!!



Stop it NOW! - Canon have got this just so right for me. Interchangeable lenses . . . ? Oh well.

But look at the specs of the 3-Ring WITH the 20 zoom PLUS a 1/3 chip, and me with my sorry 1/4 on my XM2.

I've been badgered and bullied "When yah gonna step up to HDV then G?" . .well, Lorinda, when Canon come WITH a design that fits me . . Mr.C, I really think you've done it this time! I really think you do.

The lux rating shows 7 lux . Wonder how it will hold up in low light.

My experience with the XL-H1 was that it's not bad in low light, but you have to be careful about using any extra gain. If the new cameras are similar I think they'll hold their own against the Sony HDV models in poor lighting, but the latter produce cleaner images. Call it a toss-up?

It's good to see that we've finally got the next generation of the GL-cameras. I didn't expect them to include the HD-SDI option and XLRs though, but then it's just like the GL1/XL1-dynamic (ie. only difference is form factor and interchangeable lenses).

I have a translater on my computer and this is what it says.
(starting at the top of page 2?)

(section one)
"- 1/3 type entire pixel several approximately 167 ten thousand pixels, adopting the 3CCD system of effective pixel several 1440×1080. HDV The high resolution, horizontal resolution 800TV book of standard highest level was implemented."

"- Adjusting to hi-vision age, it evolved throughput loading "DIGIC DVII" substantially. Color repeatability and the rich graduation repeatability which are superior are implemented."

"- Depending on optimum encoding processing of the CANON individual HD codec LSI The high picture quality record of HDV/playback is made possible."

(section two)
"- The fluorite, the UD lens, it installs aspherical lens each 1, loading 11 group 16 optical 20 time zoom video L lenses which administer extensive multi coat. You are proud of the picture quality which excels from wide angular photographing of 35mm film conversion 32.5mm to the telephoto area of 650mm."

"- Suppressing the blurring of wide frequency with super range optical type hand blurring revision function (shift expression)."

"- The outside measuring sensor was added to former TV-AF, you answer the severe focusing of HD at high-speed high accuracy with "super quick AF". Low at the time of luminous intensity photographing and, power is shown at the time of 24F/30F photographing."

"- It squeezed to the lens tube section and arranged the manual adjust ring and improved operativity. In addition, it adds high-speed zoom mode, direct can obtain the operation impression at the time of zoom ring use."

(section Three)
"- The high picture quality of HDV1080i, the high powered 20 time zoom
lens, mass approximately 2330g * loading the high-level interface
which answers the use of the professional onto the lightweight compact. Mobility is shown in use at collection of data and the location site and the like where the space is limited."

"- It is superior in weight balance by enclosing the battery to the body, it supports stock photographing which is stabilized."

"- Loading 2.8 type liquid crystal monitors. It corresponds to various scenes such as high angle and low angle photographing.
* Mass of 1 XH G1 photographing time (hood and BP-950G, the tape and the memory card it includes)"

Thats all I have done for now... Sorry for the bad translation! Its just what the computer did.

EDIT: Sorry I did not read the full thread! I now see that Mark Utley said;
"These cameras are now on Canon's USA site.
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...categoryid=172." Now I know that it has already ben done. Sorry for your time.

Gabriel.

Now with the UK too:

http://www.canon.co.uk/About_Us/News/Consumer_Releases/XH_A1_and_XH_G1.asp?ComponentID=380744&SourcePageID=26446#1

So does this mean that the GL1/GL2 will drop in price, along with the XL H1?

(section two)
"- The fluorite, the UD lens, it installs aspherical lens each 1, loading 11 group 16 optical 20 time zoom video L lenses which administer extensive multi coat. You are proud of the picture quality which excels from wide angular photographing of 35mm film conversion 32.5mm to the telephoto area of 650mm."

"- Suppressing the blurring of wide frequency with super range optical type hand blurring revision function (shift expression)."

Once more, please, in English??? lol. Sorry, but this technical stuff goes way over my head. Is this lens much different from Canon's other stock lenses?

And Graham....holdouts like us will make the leap. It's just a matter of time...and $$... ;)

Lorinda: it has a 20X zoom range going from "pretty darn wide" to "more than you'll usually need telephoto". Better than anything else in its class as far as I can tell.

Once more, please, in English??? lol. Sorry, but this technical stuff goes way over my head. Is this lens much different from Canon's other stock lenses?


I'm sorry but I cant answer that, cause I don't know what it means either... o_0

After reading the article on the camcorderinfo.net, I like the mention of a camera built for especially for news and event videographers. The arrangement of the buttons and controls, and the added third ring for IRIS on the lens speaks volumes of how much effective material I will have vs. the "frame fodder" when aquiring the shot. Something I liked about the XL1s, not the best image, but you could get more shots that worked. Now I'll have the same controls, and at HDV resolution.

The smaller size and weight will go easy on my back. A drawback to working with the XL1s. (It's not a true shoulder cam, and required a three-point rig and a wide stance).

My hopes are for more accurate skin tones, another canon trait that I liked when filming people in all kinds of lighting. I'd sure like to see some sample video.

Is "jet black" the official color of every HDV camera out there? I'm not saying it doesn't look cool, I just wonder why Sony, JVC and Canon simultaneously dropped their grays and silvers when a new format came along.

What if I'm on a night shoot and I stumble and break my $7000 camera just because it's sooo stylish I can't even see it? That's what worries me.

Hello,
The lux rating shows 7 lux . Wonder how it will hold up in low light.

Cheers
PaulI'm going to guess that the quoted 7lux is the Japanese version of lux rating.
This would equate to the "USA" version of min.lux rating at about 3lux, or basically very similar to the FX1/Z1 IMO.

Does anyone know how much these baby's are going to cost?

Thanks!

Gabriel.

How about the weight of these puppies? I am curious to see if I'd be able to use my merlin steadicam.

What if I'm on a night shoot and I stumble and break my $7000 camera just because it's sooo stylish I can't even see it? That's what worries me.

Hmmm. Maybe you could line it with neon glow lights like the kids are putting on their cars these days? :-)

Maybe its already fitted with a neon glow in that circular side bit thingy.

Lorinda: it has a 20X zoom range going from "pretty darn wide" to "more than you'll usually need telephoto". Better than anything else in its class as far as I can tell.

That the one big gripe I have with the FX1, in order to shoot decent wildlife, you need to put on an extender, and there isn't a lot of good stuff out there yet...

Maybe its already fitted with a neon glow in that circular side bit thingy.

That would be really cool if it was! That would most definitely add to its appeal...

The smaller size and weight will go easy on my back. A drawback to working with the XL1s. (It's not a true shoulder cam, and required a three-point rig and a wide stance).



These are a bit heavier that FX1 at 2000 plus grams. With nearly the same form factor, I am betting you will have still be dealing with a weight issue and balance, much the same as with the FX1.

That would be really cool if it was! That would most definitely add to its appeal...

If I recall correctly from testing the XL-H1, the side thingy may have some lights in it so you can read the dial and display in the dark. This should be one very sweet camera... why the heck didn't they ship it last year?!?

How about the weight of these puppies? I am curious to see if I'd be able to use my merlin steadicam.

Someone quoted 2100 to 2200 grams depending on model My conversion says over 4.5 lbs.

If I recall correctly from testing the XL-H1, the side thingy may have some lights in it so you can read the dial and display in the dark. This should be one very sweet camera... why the heck didn't they ship it last year?!?

Man! Thats awesome! Now I don't know what camera I should get! I was thinking of going for a gl1 or 2, but now I don't know!

I wonder if Panasonic would ever decide to put a 20X zoom lens on the successor of the HVX200.

I also wonder how Sony would have reacted if Canon were to release the 4000 dollar XH A1 right now.

Lorinda: it has a 20X zoom range going from "pretty darn wide" to "more than you'll usually need telephoto". Better than anything else in its class as far as I can tell.
Thanks, Kevin. I need to just be patient and have a look. It's easy to get caught up in the excitement! :)

Speaking of that, Gabriel and James, babies and puppies cost $3999 and $6999, and weigh 4.98 and 5.14 lbs. ;) If you check back on the links provided, there's a ton of info for us! I got a kick out of your enthusiasm, though!

These are a bit heavier that FX1 at 2000 plus grams. With nearly the same form factor, I am betting you will have still be dealing with a weight issue and balance, much the same as with the FX1.

I was comparing with the Xl1s, it's forward heavy and awkward (I could feel it pulling forward. When I rented a GL1, it was more comfortable), and one of the reasons I was looking at the Z1U. I think the XHA1 would do nicely on a rig.

Thanks, Kevin. I need to just be patient and have a look. It's easy to get caught up in the excitement! :)

Speaking of that, Gabriel and James, babies and puppies cost $3999 and $6999, and weigh 4.98 and 5.14 lbs. ;) If you check back on the links provided, there's a ton of info for us! I got a kick out of your enthusiasm, though!

Ahh! Thank you! I don't think I'll be able to afford that after all... :( But I'll try as hard as I can!