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Bill Edmunds
July 23rd, 2006, 05:49 AM
Just read this in Filmmakermagazine.com. What gives? Is my brand new HD100 going to crap out? What are these "failures"?

http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/spring2006/line_items/my_hdv.php

Mike Marriage
July 23rd, 2006, 05:57 AM
I have had audio issues with my camera - a crackling sound. It is going back when I get the chance.

I once also had it refuse to record and I had to take the battery off to "reset" it before it would start recording.

Steve Benner
July 23rd, 2006, 08:32 AM
I never had anything wrong with my camera.

K. Forman
July 23rd, 2006, 09:00 AM
I've got issues that cause solid red frames in PP2, and possibly back focus issues. Hard to tell with my eyes. Either way, it is getting replaced by the dealer.

Jack Walker
July 23rd, 2006, 12:18 PM
On this line, since my camera is not shopped yet, I wondered about these things:

1. How long does it take and what does it cost to send in a camera for warranty repair if needed?

2. Is the incidence of the problems so high that an extended warranty is advisable?

3. Is the HD100/HD110 more susceptible to problems than other cameras when traveling? (I am used to the PD150 which seems virtually indestructable.)

4. Will the the .7 century wide angle adapter give good results, or for professional quality work is it necessary to buy the JVC wideangle lens (essentially more than doubling the cost of the camera).

5. Do the glitches and tape drop outs reported in threads here make the HD100/HD110 an unwise choice for live events or not repeatable video situations?

6. Dealers I spoke to all referred to the HD100 as a "filmmaker's" camera. Does this mean that it is best used in set-up shots with relatively short takes, with the video reviewed after each take?

7. Are there any issues traveling with the HD100 internationally as compared to a more consumer looking camera such as the Z1U. Is the the HD100 dependable enough to travel with internationally (Germany, Austria, Russia, Korea, Israel) with a one or two person crew?

Thank you.

Steve Oakley
July 23rd, 2006, 02:01 PM
1. How long does it take and what does it cost to send in a camera for warranty repair if needed?

shipping costs whatever 8-10lbs costs from you to the nearest service center. go to fedex.com or upsp.com and find out. JVC has been very good at quick turnarounds, 3 days for the A upgrade, and they did another repair for me same day. very good.


3. Is the HD100/HD110 more susceptible to problems than other cameras when traveling? (I am used to the PD150 which seems virtually indestructable.)

if you've traveled with a betaSP or HDcam setup, I'd rate it nearly as durable - see me comments about the VF below. otherwise, its a very solidly built camera.

4. Will the the .7 century wide angle adapter give good results, or for professional quality work is it necessary to buy the JVC wideangle lens (essentially more than doubling the cost of the camera).

it should be fine... go try it before buying. the real wide angle lens is a great peice of glass which you may well like better than the stock lens, but the stock lens is much better then what you have on your PD150 by a big margin. its not perfect, but its pretty good for the price.

5. Do the glitches and tape drop outs reported in threads here make the HD100/HD110 an unwise choice for live events or not repeatable video situations?


any camera that uses tape can have dropouts. your PD150 is just as suseptable as the HD100 or a DSR500 or F900.I've heard horror stories about PD-150's having massive drop outs and eating tapes because of tape path misalignment, which sony can fix. yet you trust that camera to work.

just remember, the one person who has a problem out of 10,000 people will cry all over the place, making others think there is more of a problem than there really is.

tape is tape, its not perfect, niether is film. you're really over estimating the problem. cameras & tapes these days are very reliable. the best thing is to try to stick to using the same brand of tape all the time, which ever brand you prefer. Everyone can tell you a horror story about every tape brand out there, and how they will never use that brand again. it happens. bad tapes happen, dust gets into the transport when chaging tapes, ect. all cameras that use tape can have these problems. I've run about 40hrs of tape through my camera, and so far, its been flawless.

even hard disc recording can fail. nothing is 100%, but its dam close to 99.99%. if .01% is a problem, maybe this is the wrong career for you.

6. Dealers I spoke to all referred to the HD100 as a "filmmaker's" camera. Does this mean that it is best used in set-up shots with relatively short takes, with the video reviewed after each take?

horse hokey! its a great news/doc camera because of its should mount style. you can run the camera on your shoulder without ever having to look at the buttons because its very well laid out. its a great run & gun camera, better than palmcorders, thats for sure.

7. Are there any issues traveling with the HD100 internationally as compared to a more consumer looking camera such as the Z1U. Is the the HD100 dependable enough to travel with internationally (Germany, Austria, Russia, Korea, Israel) with a one or two person crew?

a camera is reliable as you treat it for the most part. I have found the VF a bit fragile, I bent it. I took the thing apart, very carefully bent this metal bracket back, and the whole thing went back together and is fine. I'd expect the camera to be quite reilable as long its its not dropped or slammed around or rained on without protection - I've shot the camera in the rain no problem. You do have to treat the VF and LCD with respect, but thats true with any camera that has similar. one thing I really like about the sony 600/700/900 is the flip up viewfinder bracket. that can really make carrying the camera around far less prone to VF damage when you have the camera on a shoulder strap.

perosonally, if you are goning to be in remote areas or where getting parts are hard, I've buy a spare VF and LCF bracket assembly along with a full set of jewlers screwdriversX2 ( because they break too!). I used to travel with a spare sony broadcast VF - why ? because twice I've had them fail in 1o years, and was a big hero by opening my bag of tricks and pulling out another VF. both failures happened right in the middle of NYC - I was up and running in a matter of minutes and the shoots went on as if nothing happened. even in NYC, it would of taken an hour or two to get a new one - perhaps from a rental house. so the wise plan for the worst, and hope for the best. chances are, if you are reasonably careful, nothing will happen, but if it does, then a few critical spare parts can be a life saver.


Steve Oakley

Jack Walker
July 23rd, 2006, 02:27 PM
Steve Oakley,

Thank you for your detailed answers. Very, very helpful!

Jonathan Nelson
July 23rd, 2006, 04:47 PM
I find happy hd100 users all the time. I think there will always be problems with any mass produced product but the great thing is that we will always have jvc on our side (well for at least a year). If something is wrong with our unit then JVC will fix/replace it.

If hd100s were crapping out left and right then I would think JVC would find some kind of uprade to fix the problem. JVC would be out of business if it didn't confront such a massive problem. They might as well kiss their return customers good bye and hope that they keep their mouths shut. It would be in their best interests to keep everyone happy and so far, they have done a great job IMO.

I have confidence that everything will be taken care of, and if not then I guess I learned a very expensive lesson.

Scott Jaco
July 23rd, 2006, 06:05 PM
Just read this in Filmmakermagazine.com. What gives? Is my brand new HD100 going to crap out? What are these "failures"?

I was just on that website and could not find anything negative about the HD100. Please post a link.

Speaking of links, what is up with this other thread you wrote bashing the HD100?
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=54862

I honestly believe everyone is entitled to their opinion but it seems like you really want to tear this camera apart.
I don't understand where this is all coming from.

Bill Edmunds
July 23rd, 2006, 06:22 PM
I was just on that website and could not find anything negative about the HD100. Please post a link.
Right side of the page.
http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/spring2006/line_items/my_hdv.php

Scott Jaco
July 23rd, 2006, 06:33 PM
I see it now. Thanks.

I guess my feelings about the subject are simple. I've never had any real problems with my HD100. I knew before buying this camera that I would be a bit of a guinea pig. I needed a camera now, and I knew everything was going to HD. I also went to the Cypres factory to get the "A" upgrade just to play it safe.

I trust the brand name and their customer support so if anything does go wrong, I can get it fixed.

Scott

K. Forman
July 23rd, 2006, 06:59 PM
It just seems to me, that in the few years I've been on this board, I have read about different bugs in cameras. Like the GL1/GL2 "Remove Tape" issue. But the amount of people seems larger with the HD100, especially since the cam has only been out a short time. This very well could be initial design errors or whatever. Either way, it needs to be resolved. Not saying it's Pinto bad, but a problem none the less.

Greg Boston
July 23rd, 2006, 07:26 PM
Just to add some objectivity in this thread. My Sony F350 is back at the factory in NJ right now, having developed a weird horizontal line through the image with the shutter on. So yes, any brand can have issues. Very true with new designs. I know some people who won't buy a given car model for a couple years after a major body design change.

-gb-

Steve Oakley
July 23rd, 2006, 07:35 PM
this guy is using some lose adjective's. I'll simply ask this - show me the links, show me the proof. I think this guy is on a tangent, nothing more. Its also a point to note - its not the "A" model. JVC has also provided great service. I'm sure you can find HVX200 and XL2 problems too.

I know some one who was going around saying the HD100 wasn't built very well because a student snapped off the lens mount lever on the body trying to tighten it until the lens until it clicked!. that lever is one beefy part, so some one applying enough force to break it off should of had a clue maybe they we're doing some thing right. it was gross operator incompetence, yet some one is running around saying the camera isn't well built. so take this stuff witha grain of salt... sure this person made of had a problem, but I would hardly call that an epidemic of a problem... wanna take about tape stock ? I like panasonic PQ pro tapes, never had a problem with 50+pcs of them, yet there are places on the web were people say this tapes are total disasters. they assume that because it happened to them, its happening in mass to everyone, wrong assumption. bad news travels better and faster than good news.


Steve Oakley

K. Forman
July 23rd, 2006, 08:41 PM
There are several of us in this thread- http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71691&highlight=hd100+problems
Most of us have the A model, one guy has 3 with this problem.

One here, but he was also using Panny tapes-
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70699&highlight=hd100+problems

Two guys with tapes getting eaten here-
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71107&highlight=hd100+problems

You want more? Do your own search. Like I said, it seems like a lot, and it may just be the new product bugs working out. But it is a huge pain in the rear as well.

And I don't count people who overcrank a knob, drop it in a pool, or knock it off the table or tripod. This is an out of the box problem, not an imagined one, not a user error.

Jonathan Nelson
July 23rd, 2006, 08:50 PM
Heck, they are still saying that SSE is an issue.

It is too bad that we don't have any tools such as a poll to help concentrate the truth of the matter.

I just give everyone my xp and they can take it or leave it. You get enough people with the same problem and I think you might find a legitimate flaw.

I backed out of buying lots of products due to user opinions and I have not regretted it. All I know is that I have had extremely good luck listening to the guinea pigs with their positive/negative opinions. You just have to sort threw it all and eventually you will figure it out.

K. Forman
July 23rd, 2006, 08:56 PM
Actually, I haven't noticed any SSE in my cam. They fixed that issue. Now, about the drop outs and red frames... :)

Jonathan Nelson
July 23rd, 2006, 09:13 PM
Actually, I haven't noticed any SSE in my cam. They fixed that issue. Now, about the drop outs and red frames... :)

SSE is a non issue for sure but there are still people out there who list it as a hd100 con. Its just an example that relates to what Steve Oakley was saying. I agree with him on the most part except for the tape issue of course!

I can't say for sure that the drop outs or red frames are an inherent flaw. As you said in another thread, we might be the only "blessed" hd100 users. We will never know until we either get a working replacement or a public out cry. IMO, the drop out/ red frame problem is an ISSUE but only because I have had it in both my jvc's and now I see others on this forum with a similar problem.

If this truly is an issue, we should be seeing more "oh s***, my footage is gone" threads.

K. Forman
July 23rd, 2006, 09:19 PM
I suppose, but we also need to consider how many people on this board have the HD100. Then, the percentage of owners with issues. If there are only 10 members here with this cam, and 6 of us are having the same problem, you can do the math yourselves. Then, what about the rest of the web boards? I rarely go anywhere but here, so I can't say. But others have said users of HDusers forums have expressed issues too.

Steve Oakley
July 23rd, 2006, 09:21 PM
There are several of us in this thread- http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71691&highlight=hd100+problems
Most of us have the A model, one guy has 3 with this problem.

One here, but he was also using Panny tapes-
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70699&highlight=hd100+problems

Two guys with tapes getting eaten here-
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71107&highlight=hd100+problems

You want more? Do your own search. Like I said, it seems like a lot, and it may just be the new product bugs working out. But it is a huge pain in the rear as well.


yes I do. so far, lets be generous, and that 6 people had problems. JVC has sold what, 12,000+ cameras, more now. lets see, thats .005% defect rate - assuming there really was a problem with the camera, not one bad tape going through and crudding the heads up. Ok, great, that one wierd red pattern looks like something odd in the camera. thats ONE. Do you think any product has a 100% reliabilty rate from the factory ?

before you can go around saying there is this huge problem, lets see a few hundred cameras with the same problem. Then you might have a claim with basis that there is a design or manufactoruing defect of significance.

most of those problems have been tape related.

true story. I bought a Sony 327A camera head + case many years ago, its long gone now. COD charge was $6500. Delivered via fedex. I watch the truck pull up, the box is about 3 1/2ft tall, and almost as large square. the driver's knows the COD value. he pulls it to the back edge of the truck, and pushes it off, drops 3ft... thankfully no damage but my point - the camera may of well of left the factory perfect, but a good drop could of knocked out the tape path alignment. It happens.

before you can pronouce a design or manufactoring defect, you have to rule out all the other factors.

case in point. guy has two cameras. shoots on cam A with tape A and sees drop outs. plays the tape in the camera again, still NG. puts the tape into CAM B, and still problems. Now guy loads new tape into both CAM A and B. BOth record messed up now. His conclusion = both cameras are defective. Truth, the first tape was shedding, and contaminated both cameras. Way too many people assume cause action relationships without considering all the facts.
sometimes a bad DV head clog will take three or even four passes with the head cleaner. I've had this twice with my DSR-20. nobig deal, not the end of the world, its tape and it happens.
I've live through a few 3/4 head clogs where one head clogs, but not the other. everyother field is bad. Again, its tape, and its the nature of the beast.
another user has claims about panasonic PQ tape. I've used cases of the stuff just fine. again, it just happens sometimes. people are jumping to quick conclusions without fully examining the facts, or even bothering to get them, but are just running around claiming its the cameras fault.

so unless you can pile up a few hundred similar cases, its pretty hard to make some of the claims being alleged.

Steve Oakley

K. Forman
July 23rd, 2006, 10:37 PM
You have several valid points. Being the new owner of a fine cam with some issues is just really a bummer. I've struggled, scrimped, and sold my house, to get it, based on working results. It is being resolved, and pretty quickly at that, so that's good.

I also don't think every one of them is bad. I really do think it is a beatiful piece of equipment, when functiong properly. Mine isn't. And the first place I go, is to this forum. There are enough highly experienced folk here, and somebody knows the answer. Sure enough, there are several people here with the same issues. I don't even know how many members own it, but there are a few.

Ultimately, all that matters in the end? The camera I just spent $6,000 on, works like it is supposed to.

Drew Curran
July 24th, 2006, 02:56 AM
I suppose, but we also need to consider how many people on this board have the HD100. Then, the percentage of owners with issues. If there are only 10 members here with this cam, and 6 of us are having the same problem, you can do the math yourselves. Then, what about the rest of the web boards? I rarely go anywhere but here, so I can't say. But others have said users of HDusers forums have expressed issues too.


Keith

This is what forums like this are all about - people having problems or questions relating to their cameras. 99% of people will never even visit a forum like this.

You quote 6 out of 10 users being high. If we apply this to 12000+ sold, that makes approx 8000 faulty HD100's...

I haven't had any dropped frames or errors yet. I'll be sure to post if it ever happens.

By the way i'm using ProHD tapes.


Andrew

Dennis Stevens
July 24th, 2006, 05:53 AM
Of course this all started because of one article that stated 'HD100 fails for various reasons'....

Well, could that statement be a little more vague? 'Fail' could be the thing doesn't start, too a few more artifacts under certain conditions, to who knows what.

I guess the caveat 'for various reasons' can be interpreted to include 'things like bad tape that have nothing to do with the camera design.'

K. Forman
July 24th, 2006, 07:35 AM
Actually, I think this started because some cameras didn't work at a satisfactory level.

John Vincent
July 24th, 2006, 08:30 AM
Remember that Andrew Young took one the 1st JVC 100s into the depths of Madagasgar, where he literally dropped it into a river in the middle of a jungle.

He dried it out over a fire and BAM! It started working. That's what sold me...

I think that considering there's over 12 thousand of them out in the market and counting AND the ability to report any failings as soon as they happen on forums like this, there have been very few complaints - especially after the firmware upgrade/better calibration to fix the SSE problem, then the "A" upgrade to correct anything else...

That coupled with what has to be the best customer response in the biz - don't sweat it!

jdv

Dennis Stevens
July 24th, 2006, 08:42 AM
Actually, I think this started because some cameras didn't work at a satisfactory level.
The thread started with a quote from an online article stating 'Stories abound....' etc.

And the camera has had documented problems - the SSE issue early and apparent some cameras (yours and mine, for example) have some CCD issues. At least that's what I understand JVC told TapeworksTexas and that's why they are replacing yours (and mine, BTW).

My point is saying 'Stories abound of of HD100s failing for various reasons' invites uninformed speculation, and suggests that there's a widespread problem. But it's not clear to me what the CCD issue is and how many cameras apparently have it.

K. Forman
July 24th, 2006, 08:42 AM
I'm not sure about customer response. I called the number, was 0 in the que, and still waited at least 10-15 minutes for a guy to take my name and phone number, and give me the Pro number. I called the Pro number, and the wait was estimated to be one minute. 10 minutes later, I got the same guy. He said to send it back to the dealer, or take it to a JVC licencsed repair shop. The closest one is about 2 hours from me. In the end, it is being resolved though, without having to make 20 calls, or threaten anybody. That is nice.

My biggest compliments go to Tapeworks Texas, the dealer. After posting my symptoms here, I get a call from Jason, the one who sold me the cam. He wanted to know what was up with the cam, and tried his best to find an answer. The fact that this all coinsided with Carl Hick's vacation didn't make it easier, but he found the right techs, and said they'd switch it out. Another point I am unused to; he said they would send the replacement with a shipping label for mine! No credit card charge, no having to pay to ship it back before getting the replacement... all above and beyond. I wish more folk would take their cue from this!

K. Forman
July 24th, 2006, 08:45 AM
The thread started with a quote from an online article stating 'Stories abound....' etc.

And the camera has had documented problems - the SSE issue early and apparent some cameras (yours and mine, for example) have some CCD issues. At least that's what I understand JVC told TapeworksTexas and that's why they are replacing yours (and mine, BTW).

My point is saying 'Stories abound of of HD100s failing for various reasons' invites uninformed speculation, and suggests that there's a widespread problem. But it's not clear to me what the CCD issue is and how many cameras apparently have it.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? If cameras weren't failing, there would be no article, and no thread. It may not be as wide spread as the article implies, but it is still a real issue. I have one of the cameras to prove it, and so do you, right? Or are your camera problems just your imagination too?

Dennis Stevens
July 24th, 2006, 09:24 AM
No, I'm not denying or down playing the problems at all. I just shipped my camera off to the dealer today, and am going through camera withdrawal.

My point is not that the camera is or is not having problems. My point is with the article, which makes a very broad statement. The point of the article, as I understand it, is to inform the reader about HDV and has a sidebar on the some of the HDV cameras on the market.

However, the writer makes a broad statement, then doesn't give much context. IMHO, if I was going to put that big statement in, I'd try to put some extra info in to help the reader understand what the problems are.

Frustratingly, the writer says he's also seen great stuff out of the JVC.
So 'stories abound' about it's failing, but the author has done great work with it with no problems. So the article is supposed to inform the reader, but it generates more heat than light where this camera is concerned.

Dennis Stevens
July 24th, 2006, 09:35 AM
Then again, I may be going off on a tangent due to camera withdrawal.... Sorry if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill...

K. Forman
July 24th, 2006, 09:46 AM
For some reason, I think about Ralph Nader and the Chevy Corvair. He wrote an article calling the car "unsafe at any speed", just because a few of the cars had motor mounts break while driving. This would cause the car to flip over, sometimes killing the occupants. I knew a few people that had them, and none of them died. But it was still an issue that had to be considered into the equasion.

Same with the article. No, you won't die because of this camera, but you could end up with really garbled footage and a pissed client who wants their money back. Does it happen to all of them? No. Is it likely to happen if you own this cam? Maybe, nobody has determined why it happens, yet. Is it a design flaw? Apparently not, because the reports and footage coming back from the working cameras is great. Unless JVC made a really bad design, and accidently screwed up many of the ones assembled so that they actually worked right? Leaving just the correctly assembled cams to fail? That would be too unlikely to happen, so we'll agree it is a beautiful camera *when it works*.

If I had paid $600 for it, I still wouldn't expect problems like this.

Jonathan Nelson
July 24th, 2006, 11:57 AM
I think my problem sucks because it NEVER comes up anymore. I have downloaded more footage and most of it looks great! I have to really look for the flaws but every once in a while, I see one. Whether it be a stuck frame or some crazy glitch, the problem is there.

Is this acceptable?

You can say that all tape cameras have these problems but I know for a fact that my 320 dollar canon optura has never seen this problem. At this point in time, If I had to document the second coming of Christ, I would probably use my optura because it's super dependable. The canon could still get a bad tape but it has much better odds of getting the job done.

We don't really know if our problem signifies a poorly designed/assembled camera but it doesn't help to see 6 or more people in this forum who have a similar problem.

K. Forman
July 24th, 2006, 12:40 PM
It really depends on the exact problems you are having. If it is just one or two frames on occasion, you can live with it. Two frames could be cut out and never noticed. When it is a matter of more than that, it gets harder to cover up. Unless it should happen between shots, that would be a stroke of luck! Just cut around it ;)

Jonathan Nelson
July 24th, 2006, 01:13 PM
It really depends on the exact problems you are having. If it is just one or two frames on occasion, you can live with it. Two frames could be cut out and never noticed. When it is a matter of more than that, it gets harder to cover up. Unless it should happen between shots, that would be a stroke of luck! Just cut around it ;)

Yeah but I did get one bad tape...

The first tape might have been just a fluke and since then, I have seen these small glitches. Not a big deal as long as they dont consume the whole tape.

That is why I havent called JVC or allowed them the time to help me. Right now, I am just on alert. I still hate those glitches though!

If I get more bad tapes then I will give JVC the chance to fix the problem.

K. Forman
July 24th, 2006, 01:21 PM
You might just need to run a head cleaner through it a few times.

Jonathan Nelson
July 24th, 2006, 01:25 PM
You might just need to run a head cleaner through it a few times.
Not a bad idea.

I will have to try that soon. These are brand new cameras but I guess it couldn't hurt.

I will have to research the best cleaning tape for this beast.

If I get this thing working perfectly, I will make sure to let everyone know.

Joe Carney
July 25th, 2006, 03:06 PM
I'm beginning to think I'm the only hd100 user in Northern VA. That can't be true can it? hehehe

Tim Dashwood
July 25th, 2006, 07:10 PM
Just read this in Filmmakermagazine.com. What gives? Is my brand new HD100 going to crap out? What are these "failures"?

Bill,

I finally read the article you quoted in the thread title and frankly, I think this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. I'm sorry I didn't get to this sooner.

For those who haven't read the article it is actually pretty informative. (I've added the link to the #1 post as well.)
http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/spring2006/line_items/my_hdv.php
The only issues I have with the article is that the author mentioned every other forum except dvinfo.net (even though we are purportedly the #1 destination for HD100 information) and that the information is the sidebar is incredibly out of date.

Was it fair of him to state that "Stories abound of HD100s failing for various reasons?"
Yes....but he should have made it clear that as of the publishing of the article you cannot purchase a HD100 in the U.S. - you can only purchase a HD100A, which solves the typical SSE, mode switching and firewire issues reported earlier on in the life-cycle. He mentioned that the update to the "A" model was being offered free of charge, but I think he should have researched a little deeper and stated that the update fixes most the aformentioned problems.
I think it is fair to say that with the current QC in place most of the HD100A units shipped will be problem free. As with any product built by humans and robots there will be some units that have isolated issues, but not because of design or manufacturing flaws (as suggested by the article.)

I also found his statement of "no image stabilization - a real problem" a little weird since the HD100 won hands-down in the Texas Shootout (http://www.dv.com/print_me.jhtml?articleId=189500064) as the steadiest camera because of its balanced shoulder mount design.
The other weird statement was that the body mass was small - causing it to shake. Doesn't the HD100 have the most body mass of all of the HDV cameras, XLH1 included? Odd.

My other little pet peeve with that sidebar is that the notes were not "comparitive" and seemed negatively unbalanced towards the HD100 (although he seems to favour it in the main area of the article.)

Jack Walker
July 25th, 2006, 08:15 PM
I also found his statement of "no image stabilization - a real problem" a little weird since the HD100 won hands-down in the Texas Shootout (http://www.dv.com/print_me.jhtml?articleId=189500064) as the steadiest camera because of its balanced shoulder mount design.
The other weird statement was that the body mass was small - causing it to shake. Doesn't the HD100 have the most body mass of all of the HDV cameras, XLH1 included? Odd.

This is easy to figure. Though it was not stated specifically, the steadyshot comment probably compared the HD100 to a Z1U when jogging and holding the camera out in front of you by the top handle.

The balanced comment probably compared the HD100 to a full-size broadast camera when running backward down a D.C. street while trying to get a comment from a belligerent politician.

However, used appropriately, the HD100 is better than both of the others.

The HD100 is not best-of-class of the wrong classes, but it IS best of class of its own class.

K. Forman
July 25th, 2006, 08:23 PM
I agree, when it works, it is fantastic. Even though I'm still getting to know it, I know that we will have a beautiful friendship. As long as it works right. What can I say? I'm a fickle friend.

Drew Curran
July 26th, 2006, 02:22 AM
Bill,

I also found his statement of "no image stabilization - a real problem" a little weird since the HD100 won hands-down


This is one mans opinion I suppose - If he'd actually spent some real time with the HD100 he would see that OIS is not an issue. The weight of the camera plus IDX battery kit keeps it very stable.

I had worries about this before I got the camera. But since using it in my first 'real' shoot, I find that its not a problem at all.

I've talked to a friend who owns an XL2 and he turns OIS off 90% of the time.



Andrew

K. Forman
July 26th, 2006, 06:28 AM
If you have seen my shoulder shot footage, fully zoomed out, you would understand that there are some things OIS wouldn't help. I don't blame the camera for that at all... I blame too much caffiene.

Brian Luce
July 26th, 2006, 09:47 PM
As a guy whose had a few issues with his HD100 and also had issues with the DV500, I'd still say hopskotching around video forums and then proclaiming that "Problems Abound with the HD100!!" is NOT the way to make assessments about the relative QC and reliability of this camera. It's not scientific, it's gossipy, it's flat out stupid and a true disservice to the people trying to make informed decisions about where and how to spend hard earned money.

Drew Curran
July 27th, 2006, 06:26 AM
As a guy whose had a few issues with his HD100 and also had issues with the DV500, I'd still say hopskotching around video forums and then proclaiming that "Problems Abound with the HD100!!" is NOT the way to make assessments about the relative QC and reliability of this camera. It's not scientific, it's gossipy, it's flat out stupid and a true disservice to the people trying to make informed decisions about where and how to spend hard earned money.

well said Brian!

Bill Edmunds
July 27th, 2006, 07:01 AM
I'd still say hopskotching around video forums and then proclaiming that "Problems Abound with the HD100!!" is NOT the way to make assessments
I don't think anyone is doing that here. My original post was in reaction to a magazine article. It was the author of the article who said these things.

K. Forman
July 27th, 2006, 07:21 AM
I just spent a bunch of money on the camera, and only wanted to find out why it wasn't working properly. I have to admit, I was getting swept up in the hysterics, mostly because I couldn't find a solution. JVC solved the problem by replacing the unit. At this point, I am ecstatic and don't really care what was wrong... as long as it stays away from the new one!

And I for one never really said tha camera is garbage. I never would have dumped Canon if it were. Even after the SSE issues, I bought it. I was in luck, because they seem to have eliminated it for the most part. Very few report any cases lately. So, again, it is a beautiful camera capable of amazing imagry.

Drew Curran
July 27th, 2006, 09:38 AM
I don't think anyone is doing that here. My original post was in reaction to a magazine article. It was the author of the article who said these things.


Bill, I don't think Brian was attacking you. He was refering to the article you quoted.

Andrew

Chris Hurd
July 27th, 2006, 09:46 AM
We don't allow anybody to "attack" anyone else around here.

Just as a reminder, if you see something that you believe is a flame or a hostile personal attack, please do NOT respond to it -- instead, click the "report bad post" button (to the left -- it's the red triangle icon) and let the moderators handle it. Usually we just make flames go away, and if you reply to it that means we have to make your post go away too, and everybody's time is wasted as a result. Thanks in advance,

Brian Luce
July 27th, 2006, 04:46 PM
I don't think anyone is doing that here. My original post was in reaction to a magazine article. It was the author of the article who said these things.

I realize that Bill, my comments was directed at that article...