http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/handycam/PRODUCTS/HDR-SR1/

AVCHD is H.264 based agreed by Sony and Panasonic.

The ones by Sony seems to be only connected via USB.

I don't understand why they don't use HDV as the recording spec......why introduce a new spec when we're just getting our NLE's to edit HDV!!!!

Soon their will be too many HD variants and incompatibilties across the board- NLE's will need constant updating to keep up with ever changind HD variants......I wish they would have followed DV and used it upscaled instead of the mpeg-2/4 variations.........

...Apple users will have the most problems as PC's account for far many users although Apple users are more prone to try video editing as their machines are touted for such purposes....

...technology presses on although in too many directions for mass adoption!

I don't understand why they don't use HDV as the recording spec......why introduce a new spec when we're just getting our NLE's to edit HDV!!!!

We can only speculate what the manufacturers are thinking, but using AVC allows them to fit more recording time on non-tape media like DVDs and flash memory.

I don't understand why they don't use HDV as the recording spec...HDV by definition is a tape-based format (meaning, an HDV device can only be called HDV if it has a tape transport mechanism). AVCHD is a format designed to record to one of three tapeless mechanisms; those being either flash memory (SD card), three-inch DVD, or hard drive.

like how I did with FX1.

It looks like Sony will have a handson seminar at Sony Plaza in August with UX1.

http://www.sony.jp/event/iteseminar/topics/ux1/index.html

My biggest worry is artifacts.

Just want to know - definitely 60i at this point? Or any "p" as in 720 or... egads... 1080 24p - guess not, eh? Like, they would have touted it bigtime with the official news release...

dang!

Kaku

There is a bit of debate about the actual data rate these recorders are using over here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71876

About the meaning of the Japanese text next to VBR in this spec page:

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/handycam/PRODUCTS/HDR-SR1/spec.html

It seems to be saying that 15mb/s is only the average, not the top bit rate. I am very eager to clarify which it is, because we could virtually order camera after first review, if it is only the average and not the max? If you could come over there and help use that would be good.


Thanks

Wayne.

From the spec. describes,

High Vision (HD) Quality
Approx. 15Mbps@XP mode, Approx. 9Mbps@HQ mode, Approx. 7Mbps@SP mode, and Approx. 5Mbps@LP mode.

Standard Quality
Approx. 9Mbps@HQ mode, Approx. 6Mbps@SP mode, and Approx. 3Mbps@LP mode.

All is Variable bit rate. Doesn't say much about the top rate.

And for Mark's questions, it is basically 1080/60i.

Also, it has the same memory record function as HC3, 3 seconds of 240field/sec. capturing recorded as 12 seconds of 60field/sec (overcrank).

Also, records sound in surround with extra microphone.

Kaku, thanks. Does the wording beside VBR, indicate that 15mb/s is an average figure, or does it just indicate that VRB is averaging?

Look forward to seeing your review ;).

Kaku, thanks. Does the wording beside VBR, indicate that 15mb/s is an average figure, or does it just indicate that VRB is averaging?

Look forward to seeing your review ;).
The word in front of the numbers (yaku in japanese) mean approximately.

Kaku, thank you very much for this, it is what i expected, does not really indicate that it is an average value.

I forgot to ask, any cameras you plan on looking at around the place?


Thanks

Wayne.

here is what my translation program spits out:

The main specifications
機
Opportunity
Ability
表
Table イメージセンサー
Image sensor イメージセンサー
Image sensor １／３型クリアビッドＣＭＯＳセンサー
1 / 3 type clear ビッド CMOS sensor
記録画素数
The number of record pixels 静止画時
At the time of a still picture 最大４００万画素相当
A maximum of 4 million pixels
総画素数
The total number of pixels ２１０万画素
2,100,000 pixels
有効画素数
The number of effective pixels 動画時
At the time of an animation １４３万画素（１６：９時）　１０８万画素（４：３時）
It is 1,080,000 pixels (4:3:00) 1,430,000 pixels (16:9:00).
静止画時
At the time of a still picture １４９万画素（１６：９時）　１９９万画素（４：３時）
It is 1,990,000 pixels (4:3:00) 1,490,000 pixels (16:9:00).
レンズ
Lens レンズ
Lens カール　ツァイス「バリオ・ゾナーＴ＊」レンズ
Curl ツァイス "バリオゾナーT*" lens
ズーム
Zoom 動画時
At the time of an animation 光学１０倍　デジタル８０倍：
10 times as many optics as this Digital 80 times as many as this :
プレシジョンデジタルズーム
Precision digital zoom
静止画時
At the time of a still picture 光学１０倍
10 times as many optics as this
フォーカス
Focus 自動／手動（リング・タッチパネル）／リニアマッハＡＦ
Automatic / manual operation (ring touch panel) / linear Mach AF
Ｆ値
F value Ｆ１．８～２．９　
F1.8~2.9
ｆ（焦点距離）
f (focal length) ｆ＝５．１～５１ｍｍ
f=5.1~51mm
ｆ（３５ｍｍ換算）
f (35mm conversion) 動画時
At the time of an animation ｆ＝４１．３～４８５ｍｍ（１６：９時）　５０．５～５９４ｍｍ（４：３時）
f= 41.3-485mm (16:9:00) 50.5-594mm (4:3:00)
静止画時
At the time of a still picture ｆ＝４０．４～４０４ｍｍ（１６：９時）　３７～３７０ｍｍ（４：３時）
f= 40.4-404mm (16:9:00) 37-370mm (4:3:00)
フィルター径
The diameter of a filter 30mm
オートレンズカバー
Auto lens cover ●
-
テレマクロ　
Tele broad view ●
-
ビューファインダー／
View finder/
液晶モニター
Liquid crystal display monitor ビューファインダー
View finder ０．２７型（１６：９）／１２．３万ドット
0.27 type (16:9) / 123,000 dot
液晶モニター
Liquid crystal display monitor ３．５型（１６：９）／２１．１万ドット
3.5 type (16:9) / 211,000 dot
クリアフォト液晶プラス　
Clear photograph liquid-crystal plus
タッチパネル
Touch panel ●
-
カメラ
Camera 最低被写体照度
The minimum photographic subject illumination １１ルクス（ナイトショット撮影時０ルクス）
11 luxs (time of night shot photography 0 lux)
手ブレ補正機能
Blurring compensation function ●（新アクティブイメージエリア方式）
- (New active image area system)
シャッタースピード
Shutter speed １／４～１／５００秒＊１
1/4-1/500 second *1
ホワイトバランス
White balance 自動／ワンプッシュ／屋外／屋内
Automatic / one push / outdoors / indoor
ホワイトバランスシフト
White balance shift ●（９段階）
- (Nine stages)
明るさ調整
Brightness adjustment ●
-
ＡＥシフト
AE shift ●（９段階）
- (Nine stages)
逆光補正（ボタン）
Backlight compensation (button) ●
-
ゼブラパターン　
Zebra pattern ●
-
レコーダー／プレーヤー
A recorder/player 記録メディア
Record media ハードディスク
Hard disk
容量／サイズ
Capacity/size ３０ＧＢ　／１．８インチ
30GB / 1.8 inches
ＨＤＤ落下保護機能
HDD fall protection function ＨＤＤスマートプロテクション
HDD smart protection
映像記録
Image record ＨＤ画質：ＭＰＥＧ４　ＡＶＣ／Ｈ．２６４　ＳＤ画質：ＭＰＥＧ２
HD Quality-of-image: MPEG4 AVC/H.264 SD quality-of-image:MPEG 2
音声記録
Voice record ドルビーデジタル５．１ｃｈ（内蔵マイク）
ドルビー digital 5.1ch (built-in microphone)
ドルビーデジタル２ｃｈ（別売マイク）
ドルビー digital 2ch (option microphone)
風音低減
風音 reduction ●（自動）
- (automatic)
録音レベル調整
Recording level adjustment ●（２段階）
- (Two stages)
動画画質（平均ビットレート／ＶＢＲ）
Animation quality of image (mean bit rate / VBR) ハイビジョン画質　
High-definition television quality of image
ＸＰ：約１５Ｍｂｐｓ／ＨＱ：約９Ｍｂｐｓ／ＳＰ：約７Ｍｂｐｓ／ＬＰ：約５Ｍｂｐｓ
XP: SP:abbreviation 7Mbps [ about 15 Mbpses/HQ:about 9 Mbpses /, and ]/LP gas:abbreviation 5Mbps
スタンダード画質　
Standard quality of image
ＨＱ：約９Ｍｂｐｓ／ＳＰ：約６Ｍｂｐｓ／ＬＰ：約３Ｍｂｐｓ
HQ: SP:abbreviation 6Mbps [ about 9 Mbpses / ]/LP gas:abbreviation 3Mbps
データコード　
Data code ●（撮影日時、カメラ情報）
- (Photography time, camera information)
オリジナル編集
Original edit ●（削除）
- (Deletion)
プレイリスト編集
Play list edit ●（追加、削除、移動）
- (An addition, deletion, movement)
静止画
Still picture 静止画サイズ
Still picture size 静止画モード時
At the time of the still picture mode ４００万画素相当　４：３（２，３０４×１，７２８）
4 million pixels 4:3 (2,304x1,728)
３００万画素相当　１６：９（２，３０４×１，２９６）
3 million pixels 16:9 (2,304x1,296)
１９０万画素相当　４：３（１，６００×１，２００）
1,900,000 pixels 4:3 (1,600x1,200)
３０万画素相当　４：３（６４０×４８０）
300,000 pixels 4:3 (640x480)
動画撮影時
At the time of animation photography ２３０万画素相当　１６：９（２，０１６×１，１３４）
2,300,000 pixels 16:9 (2,016x1,134)
１７０万画素相当　４：３（１，５１２×１，１３４）＊２
1,700,000 pixels 4:3 (1,512x1,134)*2
静止画記録メディア
Still picture record media “メモリースティック　デュオ”／
"memory stick duet "/
“メモリースティック　ＰＲＯ　デュオ”／ハードディスク
A "memory stick PRO duet" / hard disk
フラッシュ
Flash ●（プリフラッシュ調光）
- (プリフ rushes tone light)
ピクトブリッジ
ピクト bridge ●
-
その他
Others アクセサリーシュー
Accessories shoe ●（アクティブインターフェースシュー）
- (Active interface shoe)
本体内充電（付属バッテリーの満充電時間）
Charge in a main part (満充電 time of an attached battery) ●（約２時間３０分）
- (About 2 hours and 30 minutes)
仕
仕
様
It needs.
比
Ratio
較
較
表
Table システム
System 映像入出力端子
Image input-and-output terminal ＨＤＭＩ端子
HDMI terminal ●
-
コンポーネント端子
Component terminal 特殊Ｄ端子（Ｄ３／Ｄ１出力対応）
Special D terminal (D3 / D1 output correspondence)
映像入出力
Image input and output 特殊コネクター（出力のみ）
Special connector (only output)
Ｓ映像入出力
S image input and output 特殊コネクター（出力のみ）（別売ＡＶケーブル使用）
Special connector (only output) (option AV cable use)
音声入出力端子
Voice input-and-output terminal 特殊コネクター（出力のみ）（映像出力端子と兼用）
Special connector (only output) (an image output terminal and combination)
ＵＳＢ端子＊３
USB terminal *3 ●（ｍｉｎｉ－Ｂ／ＵＳＢ２．０　Ｈｉ－Ｓｐｅｅｄ）
- (mini-B/USB2.0 Hi-Speed)
ＲＥＭＯＴＥ（リモート）端子
REMOTE (remote) terminal ●
-
ヘッドホン端子
Headphone terminal ステレオミニジャック
Stereo mini jack
マイク入力
Microphone input ステレオミニジャック
Stereo mini jack
基本バッテリーシステム
Basic battery system “インフォリチウム”Ｍシリーズ対応
"Information lithium" M series correspondence
電源電圧部
Power supply voltage part ＡＣアダプター８．４Ｖ／バッテリー７．２Ｖ
AC adapter 8.4V/battery 7.2V
消費電力　
Power consumption
（動画撮影時）
(at the time of animation photography) ビューファインダー使用時
At the time of view finder use 4.8W
液晶モニター使用時
At the time of liquid crystal display monitor use 4.9W
外形寸法：幅×高さ×奥行＊４
Outside Size: Width x height x depth *4
（付属バッテリー装着時）
(at the time of attached battery wearing) ７８×８４×１６５ｍｍ（７８×８４×１６５ｍｍ）
78x84x165mm (78x84x165mm)
本体質量
The amount of these constitutions 約６４０ｇ
About 640g
撮影時総質量＊５
the time of photography -- the total -- mass *5 約７２０ｇ（ＮＰ－ＦＭ５０〈本体付属品〉使用時）
About 720g (at the time of NP-FM50 <main part accessories> use)
約８００ｇ（ＮＰ－ＱＭ７１使用時）
About 800g (at the time of NP-QM71 use)
約８７０ｇ（ＮＰ－ＱＭ９０使用時）
About 870g (at the time of NP-QM90 use)

＊１：カラースローシャッターは１／４～１／２５０、なめらかスロー録画は１／２４０～１／５００
*1: For a color slow shutter, 1 / 4 - 1/250, and smooth slow videotape recording are 1 / 240 - 1/500.
＊２：スタンダード画質のみ
*2: Only standard quality of image
＊３：ＷｉｎｄｏｗｓＲ９８以前、Ｍａｃ　ＯＳ　Ｘ　１０．１．５以前のＯＳを搭載したパソコンには対応していません。
*3: Don't correspond to the personal computer which carried OS before Mac OS X 10.1.5 before WindowsR98.
対応ＯＳ搭載パソコン以外のＵＳＢ端子搭載機器（テレビ、ＤＶＤレコーダーなど）での動画、静止画の再生・転送はできません
Reproduction and transmission of the animation in USB terminal loading apparatus other than a correspondence OS loading personal computer (television, DVD recorder, etc.) and a still picture cannot be performed.
＊４：最大突起部を含む
*4: The maximum projection part is included.
＊５：バッテリーを含んだ質量です
*5: It is the mass containing the battery.

付属品
Accessories
リチャージャブルバッテリーパック（ＮＰ－ＦＭ５０）、ＡＣアダプター　、特殊Ｄ端子コンポーネントビデオケーブル、ＡＶケーブル、ＵＳＢケーブル、ＣＤ－ＲＯＭ（ＷｉｎｄｏｗｓＲ用ソフト「Ｐｉｃｔｕｒｅ　Ｍｏ ｔｉｏｎ　Ｂｒｏｗｓｅｒ」）　、ワイヤレスリモコン（ＲＭＴ－８３５）、その他　
a リチャージャ bull battery pack (NP-FM50) and AC adapter a special D terminal component video cable, AV cable, USB cable, CD-ROM (software for WindowsR "Picture Motion Browser"), and wireless remote control (RMT-835) -- in addition
＊“メモリースティック　デュオ”、“メモリースティック　ＰＲＯ　デュオ”は付属していません
* The "memory stick duet" and the "memory stick PRO duet" are not attached.

連続撮影時間の目安　（実用充電からさらに１時間充電すると満充電になります）
Standard of continuation photography time (it will become 満充電 if it charges from practical use charge for 1 hour)
ビューファインダー
View finder
使用時
At the time of use リチャージャブル
リチャージャブル
バッテリーパック　
Battery pack 連続撮影時間
Continuation photography time 実撮影時間
Real photography time
NP-QM91D 約６時間１５分
About 6 hours and 15 minutes 約３時間２５分
About 3 hours and 25 minutes
NP-QM71D 約４時間０５分
About 4 hours and 05 minutes 約２時間１５分
About 2 hours and 15 minutes
ＮＰ－ＦＭ５０（付属品）
NP-FM50 (accessories) 約１時間４０分
40 minutes per hour [ about ] 約５５分
About 55 minutes

液晶モニター
Liquid crystal display monitor
使用時
At the time of use リチャージャブル
リチャージャブル
バッテリーパック　
Battery pack 連続撮影時間

I forgot to ask, any cameras you plan on looking at around the place?


Thanks

Wayne.

What do you mean, to compare to this? I'm looking into the new Canon and JVC. I think Canon would be more versatile. For SR1, I'm looking into this because of a solution for schools to adapt whole media creation education.

I don't understand why they don't use HDV as the recording spec......why introduce a new spec when we're just getting our NLE's to edit HDV!!!!

Soon their will be too many HD variants and incompatibilties across the board- NLE's will need constant updating to keep up with ever changind HD variants......I wish they would have followed DV and used it upscaled instead of the mpeg-2/4 variations.........

....technology presses on although in too many directions for mass adoption!
1/ Excellent point, which i totally support...

2/ THE NEW CANON LIGHTWEIGHT HV10 ( 440g ) and small size (104*106*56) recording in HDV2 @ 1920*1080 seems , for me, a much better evolution than going AVCHD.
I want to be able to do lightweight edits and derush on my portable, using some simple NLEs like Womble MVW before returning to the "comprehensive" NLE à la Edius, PP, etc

3/ of course some one without editing experience or need will not diagnose that and be seduced by the marketing storm of AVCHD.

4/ nevertheless, on my wishlist, a HV11 with a Tape slot replacable by a HDD or a HighSpeed ( Tosh announced it) SDSuperCard (16/32 gigs @ 25Mbps)

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