what am I doing wrong... New HDR - HC3 into premiere 2.0 going thru firewire??? port busy??? seems im connected & XP see the Sony camcorder?? what proj settings should I use when importing HDV??
any assistance given most appretiated!!!

First, make sure you have Service Pack 2 on your XP OS.

Okay, I'm working with only knowledge of the FX1, but I think it works same.

2nd, be sure you camera is set properly to send HDV over firewire. I believe HC3 can convert to regular DV, and it may be set that way. To fix it, you need i.link conversion set to "off". Turn the power switch on to VCR mode.

Third, when you start Premiere Pro, select a new project, and select type as HDV 1080 30 (Sony 60i).

Fourth, select the capture utility in Premiere Pro 2.0 and you should automatically be able to capture from the camera tape. If you don't see a time code up, press the fast forward or reverse icons with the mouse selector, to see if you have actual connection. I know that sometimes Premiere Pro will not show the current timecode on the tape without actually moving the tape.

That should get you going.

Correct. The 2nd point about the HDV ilink conversion setting is the common "gotcha". If your camera is being recognized as a DVcam, then your camera is either in DV mode, or has the ilink conversion setting to "ON".

Turn off the cam, unplug the firewire cable. Turn the cam back on, and change the menu settings to HDV, with ilink conversion "OFF". Turn the cam off, plug in the firewire cable and turn it back on. (It is important that you do not pull the firewire cable while the camera is ON, nor should you ever pull the cable on the PC side while the camera is connected. You can fry your camera).

In some rare cases your camera may not be recognized by the OS, but premiere or other HDV aware application should see it anyway. Simply start Premiere and run the capture utility. If your transport controls work, then your connected.

thanks for your help... I hadnt seen a preset window for Sony in premiere?? is it the same setting for HD SD?? 1080i 30fps???

my capture control works... just cant see any video in the capture window?? the error is (cannot capture... tryresetting camera???)

very frustrating???

thanks again???

thanks for your help... I hadnt seen a preset window for Sony in premiere?? is it the same setting for HD SD?? 1080i 30fps???

HD SD ?? I think the two are mutually exclusive. HD means High Definition. SD means standard definition.

So if you are capturing a high definition tape, you select HDV 1080 30 (Sony 60i). If you are down converting or actually captured your tape in MiniDv Standard definition, then you select that type of preset when you start Premiere Pro.

I hope I understood you question right.

Sorry your having trouble. Sony HC3 should be 1080 60i, unless you recorded in a different format. I have an HC1, however it should be similiar. When playing back on the camera, you should see "HDV1080i" on the LCD. If so, then select an HDV 1080 60i project.

thanks for replying... when I meant SD HD... I meant High Def.. Serial digital... not standard def... I have a demo version of Premiere 2... and wondering if I just dont have the proper... new project menu / file??? I havent upgraded from my legal 1.5 version... thats why I wonder if a full blown version of 2.0 has some difft new project settings??? the camera is recogonized when I take HDV to Standard DV (ON) meaning footage shot in camera 1080i.. I guess w/switch on ... conversion happens in camera and is sent thru firewire... but I cant seem to get anything w/conversion OFF?? camera isnt even recogonized in my computer??? although I had a demo copy of Sony's Vegas... and it saw the camera as a HC3... but still wouldnt display the footage??? how many options / catagories are there in your versions of Premiere 2.0???

again ....... Thanks so much

Mitch

Mitch, I don't think the 2.0 demo will work with HDV.
If you have 1.5, then you need apply the 1.5.1 "HDV" upgrade. Download it from adobe.com. It's free.

That version will install the free version of cineform intermedia HDV plugin. It will allow you to capture and convert you M2t files to an intermediate AVI that is easily editable. The only penalty is a larger file size, but it works like a charm.
In fact, Cineform recommends that you capture with PPro 1.5.1 for the time being until they get some issues worked out with HDV capture in PPro 2.0

Oh, you will also need to upgrade XP to service pack 2, it will provide drivers that will recognize your HDV camera.

Mitchell:

If you just want to capture HDV material to your computer, look for free program on line called HDVSplit.

And the Trial version of PremierePro 2.0 will not capture HDV... its a licensing issue with the trial version, as I understand it.

I FOUND the update for premiere pro 1.5

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2654

works like a charm!!!! Again so much thanks... Im sure you know how frustrating it can be when you get a new toy!! & cant utilize it right!!!

much much Thx !!!!

Mitch

Our jobs done here... the next step is obviously clear... it's time to have a beer.

Sorry your having trouble. Sony HC3 should be 1080 60i, unless you recorded in a different format. I have an HC1, however it should be similiar. When playing back on the camera, you should see "HDV1080i" on the LCD. If so, then select an HDV 1080 60i project.


Question, I have Aspect HD and I have been using their 1080i/60 project setting. I also see the HDV1080/60i setting. I've been having trouble with the output quality/scaling using the CFHDV template. Does the generic HDV1080/60i project setting work better? Thanks - PK

Question, I have Aspect HD and I have been using their 1080i/60 project setting. I also see the HDV1080/60i setting. I've been having trouble with the output quality/scaling using the CFHDV template. Does the generic HDV1080/60i project setting work better? Thanks - PK

What you are capturing in that setting is .m2t native video. You are essentilly taking the ones and zeros of the tape and reassembling in the computer file. The problem and the reason for Cineform is that these files are harder in terms of processor use demands and color correction to edit. I do it regularly with a dual core AMD 3800+ chip, in Premiere Pro, and have decent results. However, the experts here will tell you that because of color space issues and processing demands, you are better editing in the Cineform intermediate format. From what I understand, however, there is a problem with getting a direct print back to tape from a Cineform edited project, due to legal rights issues. So try the native edit and see if it works well enough for you.

What you are capturing in that setting is .m2t native video. You are essentilly taking the ones and zeros of the tape and reassembling in the computer file. The problem and the reason for Cineform is that these files are harder in terms of processor use demands and color correction to edit. I do it regularly with a dual core AMD 3800+ chip, in Premiere Pro, and have decent results. However, the experts here will tell you that because of color space issues and processing demands, you are better editing in the Cineform intermediate format. From what I understand, however, there is a problem with getting a direct print back to tape from a Cineform edited project, due to legal rights issues. So try the native edit and see if it works well enough for you.


Thanks Chris. I think you are saying that using the PPro "HDV 1080/60i" project template will give you the M2t native video file. I am using Premiere Pro 1.5.1. I have Cineform Aspect HD installed too. Aspect "plugs" some of its own project templates into the PPro project setttings folder. I have only used the Aspect 1080/60i template. While editing the image quality on the PPro monitor window is great. However when I try to output to DVD the result is somewhat fuzzy, or not really sharp. Its clean, but not as sharp as my old DV camcorder. Cineform recommends making an intermediate AVI file, before encoding to Mpeg2 for DVD. This results in a sharp image, but loaded with weird interlacing artifacts - ie. any vertical line liike a post or window frame have comb edges, or a saw blade appearance to them. I've checked all my settings and can't find anything wrong. Capture setting says CF 1080 60i. pixel aspect ratio HDV 1.33. Project settings are the same, the only different one is my output to DVD - 720x480 widescreen.

From what you are saying, your performance is good with native hdv editing. Is that really true? Even after adding filters, color correction, etc in PPro? Like you say, everyone here implies you won't get much done editing natively. I have an AMD dual core machine as well. Thanks, and take care - PK

From what I understand, however, there is a problem with getting a direct print back to tape from a Cineform edited project, due to legal rights issues. So try the native edit and see if it works well enough for you.I'm aware of PPro 2.0 lack of Print to Tape support in Canon 24F, in both Cineform and native HDV using Adobe's new Canon Fmode presets...does the print to tape limitation apply to other cameras and frame rates as well?

Interestingly, Cineform have gone rather quiet about when the Print to Tape problem might be resolved. Not sure now if that is because they are dependent on Adobe to fix it first, or if both Cineform and Adobe are having the same issues with licensing?

Paul, I have also been seeing very coarse (much bigger than you'd expect with regular interlace artifact) sawtooth/combing corruption in areas where vertical lines are in motion while trying to burn DVD from Cineform 1080i60 XL H1 material. Cineform has declined to comment on what major bugs they are currently aware of (see posts #23 and higher in: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=69723), or what they have incorporated into the build they have slated for release this week. I guess it is time for us all to file our trouble tickets with Cineform tech support.

As far as native performance, at the end of this post:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?p=512272&postcount=4
are some comments I made the other day about native HDV performance.

I'm aware of PPro 2.0 lack of Print to Tape support in Canon 24F, in both Cineform and native HDV using Adobe's new Canon Fmode presets...does the print to tape limitation apply to other cameras and frame rates as well?



Not using that Cineform product, so I don't know.

I apologize, but I took your post as a more basic question, and responded on that basis.

I know I have no problem with PPro 2.0 going to tape with the native edit projects. No problems with DV either.

Regarding editing issues with HDV, that is the rap on HDV editing espoused by many pros. I'm interested here more as a hobbiest, and would likely go with Cineform if it served my purposes for public production purposes. For my purposes, native hdv seems fine. But I don't have as high a standard as broadcast or pro shooters may have. I'm just happy to be playing and learning a bit about HDV.

Great stuff guys - very good to know.

Chris/et al - we're getting ready to shoot a full length film using the JVC 100. We just installed Premiere Pro 2 onto our brand new dual chip PC. We have a standard comsumer video card.

Other than the free patch for editing in 24p from Adobe, is there any reason to think that we need anything else (ie - a pro video card, cineform)?

Or can we start digitizing via the firewire port right away?

If these questions seem stupid, & they probably are, remeber I just made the transition to PC and literally doing anything is like pulling teeth!

Thanks for any input -
john
evilgeniusentertainment.com

Great stuff guys - very good to know.

Chris/et al - we're getting ready to shoot a full length film using the JVC 100. We just installed Premiere Pro 2 onto our brand new dual chip PC. We have a standard comsumer video card.

Other than the free patch for editing in 24p from Adobe, is there any reason to think that we need anything else (ie - a pro video card, cineform)?

Or can we start digitizing via the firewire port right away?

If these questions seem stupid, & they probably are, remeber I just made the transition to PC and literally doing anything is like pulling teeth!

Thanks for any input -
john
evilgeniusentertainment.com

First, I don't know you camera set up. I am using FX1. So I don't know how you set up yours to capture.

Assuming your JVC is HDV, you should be able to capture native HDV in 2.0 through firewire. As far as capture is concerned, it is at near the same bit rate, if that is right word, as DV. So actually capturing the stream is not really a problem. Since you are capturing in Adobe, you will select a project format before you start, and of course that will enable the ability to capture your HDV material.

One thing bad about the capture utility in Premiere and Vegas as well is the lack of scene detection to break down files. I have experimented with a freeware program call HDVSplit which is available on the net. (Google it) The version I have is .70 or better, and it has most of early issues resolved. It has scene detection, breaking each scene into an individual file, and captures the HDV stream. I do not know how that works with you 24p projects, however, and whether whatever flags may be in the stream are preserved.

I am using a PCI express Video card, with 256 mg memory. Months ago, I got the impression that Premiere interacts with the video card to help with the rendering process. I can tell you with my HDV native editing, I get a pretty good performance. The hard part about editing in native HDV is the demand it places on the processor. My dual core AMD 3800+ on a fairly generic mother board works well enough form me. I get reasonalbe render and output times, similar to what I had in DV with a 1.7 Mghz chip on my older system. So I am happy with that.

Again, Cineform is a step up, in that it provides superior color and editing capabilities. Also, it is actually less processor intensive, so if you are not satisfied with HDV native editing, that is your next step. Remember the Aspect files will be about 3 times the size of HDV content, because each frame is rendered individually in the Cineform codec, giving you an .avi file, rather than a .m2t file.

Thanks a lot for the response Chris.

Yes, I'll be using the JVC's HDV 24p option. I didn't know it (Pro2) didn't break up the files into scenes. Other than the work around you mentioned and/or Cineform, how would you digitize individual takes? Digitize, then stop after every take and then cue up the tape to the next scene? This is how it used to be done on the old Media 100 system...

I've heard many positives about using Cineform, but having just read today (including this thread) that there may be some real problems printing back down to tape/preparing for a film out, I'm a little leary about buying it.

Are there any problems w/ Pro 2 printing back down to tape (again assuming a HDV dump)?

Thanks again Chris,
john
evilgeniusentertainment.com

Thanks a lot for the response Chris.

I've heard many positives about using Cineform, but having just read today (including this thread) that there may be some real problems printing back down to tape/preparing for a film out, I'm a little leary about buying it.

Are there any problems w/ Pro 2 printing back down to tape (again assuming a HDV dump)?

Thanks again Chris,
john
evilgeniusentertainment.com

The only way to handle individual takes is manually, inside PPro 2.0 using HDV, as you suggest, if you want them in individual files.

I've had no problem editing my to my finished project, rendering to a final HDV then printing to tape. I normally follow that process with DV, and continued to do it in HDV. Occasionally in DV I have just rendered a project from the timeline without doing a separte file, to print to tape directly, but I don't recall if I have tried that in HDV mode, or not. I do prefer to make a separte finished product file on the harddrive to render from, so I continue to do that.

Thanks again for the info Chris.

john
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