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Jared Heck
March 24th, 2004, 12:21 PM
I don't know if this will help anyone but I was having a similar problem with Premiere Pro and my JVC deck. I changed two things that seemed to have resolved the issue with me. First off never use the Firewire port on a Creative card, i have had more problems with my computer locking up than anything else from that card. Second make sure you use a high quality cable, something with the large magnetic shields on both ends. Premiere seems to be a lot more sesitive to this than other programs, the upside is that it is a lot more accurate and faster doing exact time code searches.

Thanks

Jared

Andrew Cleary
March 26th, 2004, 09:45 AM
well, in pro you can use any transition on any video track. most of them make it real hard to look good, but you can use them all. if this doesnt answer the question, IM me.

Lars Siden
March 28th, 2004, 11:38 AM
Hello Tim,

Problems with playback and capture as you describe often involves poor drivers for the Sound card ( 75% ) or the GFX card.

First Playback:
If you have an onboard soundcard that you don't use - make sure it is disabled in BIOS. If you're using an onboard soundcard, update both Motherboard/Chipset drivers and soundcard drivers.

Too be on the safe side, make sure you're using the latest gfx card driver as well.

And the classic stuff: Disable background stuff like Anti Virus and software firewalls etc etc

One more thing: Make sure that you HDD:s are using DMA mode 4 or 5 ( or better ) and _not_ PIO mode ( you can check this in device manager ).

Secondly missing timecode:

I have the same problem with my XM2/GL2 - just turn on OPTICAL scene recognition and you should be fine.

Best regards,

Lazze Z

Brad Carter
March 28th, 2004, 06:51 PM
premiere 6.5 and pro (I tried both). On exporting a DVCAM project to mpeg2 for DVD... I see a aliasing or flickering that looks like edges get pixelated and it pulses about every 1/2 second. When i switched to Pro it still does it but not as bad. I've read multiple forums regarding this problem, and the common advise seems to be to change the output to constant instead of VBR or variable bit rate. I see it in the pre-burned video and on the DVD. Tried different projects too... still does it. Changing to constant bit rate fixed the problem in the titles, but I still see it a little in video, although it's only visable in a static shot... if the camera moves it's too hard to see. Anybody ever see this and fix it? Thanks.

I'm using AMD 2ghz and winXP

Frank Granovski
March 28th, 2004, 07:16 PM
Just curious, how did you shoot the footage and what lighting did you use?

Shayne Ramirez
March 28th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Funny when I tried the demo, my impression was it was the sharpest looking overlay I've ever seen. I don't know if it's hardware based anymore. Is that your problem? If you are doing anything that needs color correcting or motion graphics, you gotta be checking it on NTSC. It would probably even be a much better workflow anyways to edit it up without filters and such, then once done, add the filters as the last step, while running it through your cam, hopefully for a short time.

Andrew Cleary
March 29th, 2004, 07:18 AM
when i try to capture footage, i drop a whole lot of frames. just wondering if there are settings that i should be using.

Brad Carter
March 29th, 2004, 07:31 AM
Natural light, DVCAM.

Rob Lohman
March 29th, 2004, 11:20 AM
This only happens when you capture 24p footage? Not with
normal 30 fps footage?

I'm not sure whether PPro actually supports 24p capture. IF
it supports it, it will only do this with a 24p camera. Not with a
"normal" camera. Again, I'm not sure PPro supports 24p editing.

Ed Smith
March 29th, 2004, 11:56 AM
As far as I am aware of the release version of PP does not support 24p. As 24p is becoming increasingly popular I would expect Adobe to support it in a 'patch' for PP. From reading Adobes forum thats the 'message' i'm getting.

Andrew incidently what settings are you using at the moment?

I don't use 24p, so am slightly unsure.

Theres a whole thread about it here:

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?13@6.4551cODodfd.0@.2ccef537

Thanks,

Ed

David Hurdon
March 29th, 2004, 02:36 PM
Is it possible you have the field order reversed? Given that you're seeing it in other projects it sounds like it could be a settings issue and field order would be something to check when you see edge flicker.

David Hurdon

Jon Kamps
March 29th, 2004, 05:23 PM
ok got a system that I would like to update to Pro. its currently got 6.0 on it. anyone sucessfully get Premier pro to run under Premier Pro??

also how well does it run on lower spec systems

P3 933
256mb ram (most likely will add another 512mb
Matrox G450 Graphics Card

Zack Birlew
March 29th, 2004, 06:11 PM
Heheh....dude, Premiere Pro is Windows XP only and it absolutely will down right suck with lower spec systems. I think 2ghz is the minimum requirement on the box isn't it?

Glenn Chan
March 29th, 2004, 07:10 PM
You can try the demo for it, as well as Vegas (runs very well on weak systems), Edius, Edition, Avid Free DV, etc.

Chris Thiele
March 29th, 2004, 07:24 PM
Ron,
Thanks for your post!!!
I was getting very frutrated trying to work out why I wasn't capturing the second channel. Yes it recorded at 48k both channels, but I couldn't capture both.
Tried 32k and hey presto, both now are captured.
The only problem is I want to record with 48k - one of the reasons I bought the PDX10, for its ability to record audio well.
Tried scenalyzer (spelt with a Z, had probs finding it at first) and the footage recorded at 48k was captured perfectly with this program. 48k does give ssooo much better audio.
This is a significant problem that the PDX10 has.
Now I have to buy extra software to solve Sony's fault.
But thanks again Ron - at least you provided a satisfactory solution.

Rob Lohman
March 30th, 2004, 02:46 AM
PPro is XP only. Sorry.

Johnny Cheung
March 30th, 2004, 02:57 AM
When I started the new project, I accdientally picked square pixels 1.0 as the pixel aspect ratio in the general setting, then when i am done and exported the video, i noticed that the pics are all compressed (distorted) a little bit, but there is no way I could change the pixel aspect ratio in the general setting....so is there any way to fix it? coz i really dont want to start it all over again.... thnx

Ed Smith
March 30th, 2004, 02:58 AM
Hi Jon,

Your hardware specs meets the minium requirements you will need to upgrade to win XP. I recommend you upgrade to something that is a bit more powerful.

Heres the spec from adobes website:


Intel® Pentium® III 800MHz processor (Pentium 4 3.06 GHz recommended)

Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional or Home Edition with Service Pack 1

256MB of RAM installed (1GB or more recommended)

800MB of available hard-disk space for installation

Microsoft DirectX-compatible sound card (multichannel ASIO-compatible sound card for surround sound support recommended)

CD-ROM drive

Compatible DVD recorder (DVD-R/RW+R/RW) is required for Export to DVD

1,224x768 32-bit color video display adapter (1280x1024 or dual monitors recommended)

For DV: OHCI-compatible IEEE 1394 interface, and dedicated large capacity 7200RPM UDMA 66 IDE or SCSI hard disk or disk array

For third-party capture cards: Adobe Premiere Pro certified capture card

Optional: ASIO audio hardware device; surround speaker system for 5.1 audio playback

Arnaldo Paixao
March 30th, 2004, 03:28 AM
Forget it. You will be waisting your time trying to run Premiere Pro in your PC. Premiere 6.5 will run ok. I have both of them and tried them in low and high spec machines.

I have Premiere 6.5 + Win XP Pro in a Pentium3/700Mhz notebook with only 128M of RAM and it works very well.

Best regards,
Arnaldo

Brad Carter
March 30th, 2004, 06:02 AM
No. I experimented with reversing the order and tying no fields. I have been working too much overtime at my regular job and haven't had time to do more testing. I found this problem on two other forums just this week so there must be somebody who had it and knows what it is. I'm a video engineer and never saw it in my television broadcast experience, so I'm leaning towards the compression thing. I upgraded to pro and I'm restarting the project and will export a new version in a few days. Maybe by then somebody else who had experience with the issue will chime in.

thanks

Kris Verstappen
March 30th, 2004, 06:20 AM
That is correct. As far as I know you can't get that done anymore in Premiere Pro.

However, if you're working on a dual monitor setup, why not just extend your desktop and drag the preview on the second monitor? Then you save your workspace so you don't have to do it every time.

It's a bit of extra work, but I'm happy with it. And hopefully they will add the overlay again in the next version.

Ed Smith
March 30th, 2004, 01:32 PM
Hi Johnny,

You might be able to save your project but you are going to have to change the resolution of your pictures.

For DV NTSC create and save it at a 720x540 frame size to prevent increases in the resolution or 640x480 to prevent field distortion on a field rendered file.

There is a help page about this in PPs help file. go search and type in square pixels.

Hope this helps,

Ed

Steven Gotz
March 30th, 2004, 02:54 PM
I am pretty well known on the Adobe forums, and I help moderate the forums at http://www.wrigleyvideo.com. If you haven't dropped by my site at http://www.stevengotz.com/premiere you really ought to.

I just haven't posted here in a long time.

I can think of one more real bug that has yet to be addressed. But will be in the next revision. Adding many JPEGs or TGA or PSD files to a timeline can cause a problem. But only at certain sizes. Best to use TIF or one of many workarounds. I sent in over one hundred stills for Adobe to play with and they told me they found the problem.

Steven Gotz
March 30th, 2004, 03:14 PM
I believe that the $99 for only 4 hours is a waste of money in comparison to the great job Jacob Rosenberg did on the Total Training videos. For only $80 more, the Total Training is a slam dunk.

However, a new competitor, priced between the two, and presented by an Emmy award winning editor, is now available.

Take a look at http://www.classondemand.net/ClassOnDemand/Public/product.aspx?Product.formState=2&Product.ProductSelected=124

For only $149.95 you get Tim Kolb taking you through two real world projects.

Tim and Jacob are both great presenters. But if money is an issue, you could try Tim's with confidence.

However, if you also need After Effects training, the combo price at Total Training is unbeatable.

Chris Hurd
March 30th, 2004, 11:15 PM
While I can't find fault in the suggestion to visit the official Adobe forums, I will say this. Many of our members feel most at home right here and may not feel like bothering with other online communities. After all, DV Info Net is the only video forum anywhere with a real-names-only policy, and maintains the most consistently fair moderation relative to its competitors. Frankly, we're the best at what we do. Not the biggest, not the loudest, but definitely the best in terms of a friendly community spirit, solid technical and creative information, and a "you're among good friends" atmosphere.

Are we the official Adobe Premiere forum? Nope, and we never will be. However, if it's a Premiere answer you're looking for -- or Vegas, or whatever -- we'll find it for you. In short, if you decide to look around elsewhere, you'll quickly find that nobody does an online community like we do, with a prevailing sense of mutual civility and fellowship in addition to all of the great information within. I'm very proud of that, and I know our dedicated members are as well. Thanks,

Steven Gotz
March 31st, 2004, 08:32 AM
Chris,

I don't know if you were responding to me, but I never suggested visiting the Adobe forums, I merely stated that I am well known there. It says "New Boot" by my name and I wanted to let people know who I am.

I understand your policies, and would normally avoid sending people off-site. But my site has a serious collection of links, and I imagine it could be useful to your members. And the tutorials on the wrigleyvideo site are worth a look.

I do appreciate the sense of community, and would never intentionally do anything to disrupt it in any way.

Bret Pritchett
March 31st, 2004, 12:20 PM
I'm trying to put text over the video (having peoples names at the bottom of the screen over video of them). I know I have to use "new title" for this - but I don't see how to tell it to use the video as a background and not a color

thanks
Bret

Ed Smith
March 31st, 2004, 12:54 PM
Hi Bret,

This is how you do it:

Go file> new> title

Create your title and place your text where you want it to appear. Do not choose any other options.

Click on close (x) and save the title. It will now appear in your project bin.

Drag the title from the bin to video track 2 above your clip.

If you then play your timeline, the title should appear over your video in your preview monitor.

Does that help,

Ed

Bret Pritchett
March 31st, 2004, 01:24 PM
LOL probably the one thing I didn't try

thanks - very easy

John Britt
March 31st, 2004, 02:05 PM
I'm going to piggyback on what Ed said and just add that Premiere's top menu bar functions ("File," "Edit," "View," etc) will apply to the title window when it is open -- meaning you can Save a title while working on it (not just when closing it by clicking on the X) and access other functions via the menu bar.

And why do I add this comment? Because I worked with titling in Premiere 6.5 for months and months before I realized any of this. I don't think you're stupid, but you might just be as stupid as me :)

Bret Pritchett
March 31st, 2004, 05:33 PM
^ cool. I didn't know that

thanks

Agus Casse
March 31st, 2004, 07:43 PM
Hey there, i dont know if anyone have the same problem, but when i finish editing and i export the movie into a .avi file, the audio is screw, i sounds like it was saturated, and in some points where the tones are too high, it sounds like a cat inside a can of pepsi.

Any ideas ?

The only way of solving it is exporting the audio in a .wav file, but it is screwing my work. it also happened in my 2 pcs where i have it installed.

Michael Middleton
March 31st, 2004, 09:33 PM
Kent hit the nail on the head. I lurk a lot on Curt Wrigley's site, and learned to do specific tasks in Premiere that were helpful, but the Total Training vids were well worth the money! Jacob Rosenberg was easy to follow and a great presenter that made me want to keep watching and learning (not quite sure I can say the same about Deke McClelland on the Photoshop CS series, but I'm trying).

The most helpful thing that I think I got from Jacob's instructions was proper workflow, along with useful keyboard shortcuts. Well worth the price, and I paid $200 when I purchased it. I believe it is considerably cheaper now.

Michael

Agus Casse
March 31st, 2004, 11:50 PM
there is a effect called color match, it works for me, i had to match 3 diferent cameras, one of them was almost impossible but a sony, and my dvc80 matched with no trouble, also keep in mind that it works really fine if the white balance and the colometry of each cameras similar.

Ed Smith
April 1st, 2004, 02:53 AM
John,

I didn't know that either!!! You learn new things about this program everyday! I wonder if the same was in version 6?

Rob Lohman
April 1st, 2004, 04:24 AM
Any chance you are converting between 48 khz and 44.1 for
example? Which version of Premiere are you using?

John Britt
April 1st, 2004, 08:28 AM
Yeah, finally one day I noticed that a "Title" option had appeared in the menu bar (next to "Help"), which led me to realize that the "File" funtions like "Save As" worked as well (Which was great, because my copy of 6.5 defaults all title saves to my Capture folder). It isn't very intuitive because titling opens up in a new window, just like Motion, Transperancy, and other options.

Ed -- I skipped Premiere 6 (I went from 5.1 to 6.5), but I'm thinking that 6.5's titling engine was different from 6's? I have absolutely no proof of this, except the old chestnut, "I think I read it in a review when 6.5 was released." I could be thinking of a different app altogether...

Ed Smith
April 1st, 2004, 08:41 AM
Hi John, Yes the titling function was different in 6 it was version 6.5 that saw major improvements to the titling engine, thats why I wondered whether they had done the same way back then - It seemed to be a pain trying to save titles if I remember ?-)

Any how thanks for the tip.

Agus Casse
April 1st, 2004, 12:14 PM
Using premiere pro, i select the 48khz template, but seens like i am capturing in 41khz, i will check on that.

Also, the problem seens mainly when importing songs in mp3 to my proyects.

Jeff Klein
April 1st, 2004, 09:37 PM
I finally got my DV500 card working with my computer, used to have very jerky avi playback (AVI Problem in Windows XP), moving the card to a non-IRQ sharing slot fixed it. Now I'm trying to export in MPEG2 and it's giving me a System Could Not Be Initialized error. When I hit OK, it says File Or Path Not Found, but the file path it shows below the error message does exist.

Anybody seen this problem before? I'm running the bundled Premiere 6.0 with the 6.0.1 patch.

Thanks,
Jeff K

Ed Smith
April 2nd, 2004, 02:47 AM
Hi Jeff,

Glad to hear you managed to sort out your jerky playback problem, with out having to spend money on a new motherboard etc.

Can you please give us a bit more information?

What option are you using to export MPEG2?

Does the error happen as its about to do the export, or just before its finishing?

What MPEG2 settings are you using?

Thanks,

Ed

Rob Lohman
April 2nd, 2004, 03:11 AM
41khz? DV is 48 khz so that shouldn't be an issue. It might be
better to decode the MP3's to WAV first (decode them to 48 khz
since that is what your project is using) so that it all matches
perfectly. MP3's are 44.1 khz (mostly).

Jeff Klein
April 2nd, 2004, 05:42 AM
Beginner's mistake: I didn't know to load the Pinnacle DVD settings from the Export Movie settings window, I thought I only had to set up the various general/video/audio, etc options. After I figured that out from a similar thread it started recording fine, but I haven't had a chance to check the results (stupid day job <G>). So hopefully this is solved....but I may be back.

Thanks,
Jeff

p.s. I'm glad I didn't have to change the motherboard, too. ABS wasn't budging on not replacing the wrong one they sent me since they claim I ordered it.

Jeff Klein
April 2nd, 2004, 03:29 PM
Well, I'm back. I listened to the wave file that Premiere created with the mp2 file, and some of the mixed in audio clips are really quiet. Also, the added in bits that I timed to match it are off time a little now. Actually, I've seen that happen after closing the project and coming back to it.

So anyone dealt with audio timing issues within Premiere and/or losses of selected audio byte levels after mpeg export?

Thanks,
Jeff

Ed Smith
April 3rd, 2004, 11:06 AM
Hi Jeff,

Never come across that sort of problem before.

Does it play Ok from the timeline?

You can export just audio as a WAV file on its own. Select your work area and choose export audio from the export movie option. Make sure the settings are set to 48000KHz and you are exporting a PCM wav file. Give it a name, and place and then export it.

I'm guessing that the audio and vidio were not multiplexed? i.e. you got 2 files, 1 audio and 1 video. So in order to see whether they are in sync you will have to import them into your authoring package.

What DVD authoring package are you using?

Hope this helps,

Ed

Barry Gribble
April 3rd, 2004, 11:10 AM
All,

Is there any way to use a Photoshop plug-in in premiere? I saw reference to that here once, but I don't think the full instructions were there....

I would love to be able to use things like smart blur and defuse glow for video... any way to make that happen?

Thanks in advance.

Ignacio Rodriguez
April 3rd, 2004, 11:17 AM
I used to do that when I used Premiere 5 (Mac) and discovered that Adobe had done something to PS plugs that wouldn't let me use them in Premiere. So I had to copy the plug's from a prevous version of Photoshop and then they worked. That was a long time ago and before OSX so it might be different now.

Barry Gribble
April 3rd, 2004, 11:35 AM
hmmmm... I believe.... maybe I should dig up an old version of photoshop?

Are the plug-ins cross-platform? I am on PC....

Thanks

Ignacio Rodriguez
April 3rd, 2004, 01:03 PM
> Are the plug-ins cross-platform? I am on PC....

I think not. However, this limitation I experienced might not exist on the PC. Try figuring out where Photoshop and Premiere store the plug-ins and then move the PS plugs to where Premiere expects it's own. Be carefull not to overwrite any of Premiere's plugs, some may have the same name. Late versions of Adobe programs support subfolders in the plug-in folders, perhaps on the PC it's also supported so you can try just copying all PS plugs into a subfolder and seeing if they show up inside Premiere's list. Hope this helps.

John Britt
April 3rd, 2004, 01:12 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Ignacio Rodriguez : Try figuring out where Photoshop and Premiere store the plug-ins -->>>

This one's easy (at least in the PC versions of Pshop and Premiere that I've owned) -- they store them in a folder named "Plug-ins" (C drive -> Program Files -> Adobe -> *App of Your Choice* -> Plug-ins)

I've tried putting P-Shop plugins into After Effects before with little luck. Some of the plugs AE simply wouldn't recognize; others appeared under "Effects" but trying to use them caused AE to crash. No permanent damage done, though. I think only one P-Shop plug-in -- Dust and Scratches, perhaps -- worked in After Effects.

Usually, the Plug-ins folder will also recognize any subfolders containing plugs as well -- so feel free to do some trial and error, creating a "Pshop-ins" subfolder in Premiere's Plug-ins folder and dropping PS plugs into it. Restart Premiere and see what happens. I doubt that many (if any) will work, but give it the old college try...