Hi Bret,

I see that you have installed premiere on your media drive (120GB maxtor). Most people install it on their system disk and leave the media drive just for video/media clips.

All though it might not make much difference, I would probably try un-installing it from your 120GB and install on your system disk. See whether you get the same problem?

Cheers,

Ed

That worked! *confused*
not sure why that would do it, but right now I don't care. It works ad everything looks good.

Thanks for all the help!

- Bret "computers are just weird" Pritchett

Hi Bret,

Glad to hear that it is now sorted :-)

As for why it works now - I don't really know either. it could be that Premiere was taking resources to run premiere which it need to play the clip (thru-put) this has now been freed because you have re-installed premiere on another HD. But I don't really know.

Enjoy,

Ed

Is there any way to export a 1920x1080 MPEG2-TS file using Premiere Pro? I tried exporting a 1920x1080 file with Adobe Media encoder, but it re-sized the file to 1920x920. After being on the phone with Adobe tech support for hours the so called head engineer informed the tech support goon that Adobe Media Encoder does not export 1920x1080 files. Has anyone been able to find a work around? Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Scott

It is an issue with the shipping Abode Media Encoder within Premiere Pro. We have fixed this issue with Aspect HD, but PPro has this error when used alone. If you don't have Aspect HD, you can use Premiere 6.5 to make the correct export.

You know, I'd edit it in 720p. It is technically a higher resolution due to the progressive nature, then once youhave output the movie back to the camera or deck, you can do an upconvert from the deck to the camera or visversa.

Does that help?

DBK

Is there a plug-in out there that has different title transitions other than the normal cross dissolve transition? What I'm try to ask is if there is anyway I can use the video effects for a title transition, but make the effect focus only on the title part of the layer.

Is this unclear to anyone? If so, I'll try to explain it more clear.

Thanks,
Ryan Krga

Hi all,
I'm still working on getting my DV500 DVD working with Premiere as posted a while back, still not having any luck. I've found that I can install everything except the DV500 Pinnacle software and avi file capture and playback is fine (using Soundblaster Audigy firewire port with GL-1), but once I install the software avi playback is horribly jerky and stuttered. This goes for all video programs, even Windows Media Player.

In searching the archives, some have mentioned Pinnacle version 4.5 compatibility problems. I have upgraded Premiere 6.0 with the 6.0.1 patch and am using the 4.5 DV500 software (originally had 4.0). I've even seen some people recommending using 3.0 drivers.

Is there really a compatibility issue with these software version combinations? For reference, here's my machine's setup:
ABS Awesome 3500 computer
2.4 GHz Pentium 4
512 MB Crucial Ram
120 GB Western Digital 7200 RPM HDD, 8 MB cache, partitioned to 30 and 90 MB (OS and Media use)
ATI 8500LE graphics card
DV500 DVD capture card
MSI 648 Max motherboard (SiS648 chipset)
Sound Blaster Audigy
WinXP Pro

Thanks for any help,
Jeff

Hi Jeff,

I've never come across that problem before. I'm currently running DV 500 with Premiere 6.5 on my Dell machine: 2.4Ghz P4, 1gig RAM, 40GB system drive and an 80GB media drive.

I can't remember what version of DV 500 drivers i'm using but i'm sure its 4.something (DVD version).

I also know somebody who is using DV500 DVD version and does not have this problem. Hes running P6.5 on a 600MHz P3, 768MB RAM, 40GB for system files and 60GB for media.

I don't know what to suggest at the moment. Did you follow the installation instructions to the word?

It might be your partitioned drive causing the problem. Might be worth changing that back to 1 big volume. and possibly buying another (small) disk and using that for your system stuff and your large one for your media. You'll probably get better thru-put.

Cheers,

Ed

Thanks, Ed. I originally had the drive as a single partition, but partitioned it to try and fix this problem; no change. A second physical drive is in the works as soon as the church authorizes the purchase. What's strange is that if I don't install the DV500 software, Premiere works fine (that's how I'm using it now, with the Soundblaster's firewire port). However, I don't have Adobe 6.5, so I wonder if that might be part of the problem. I have used 6.0 on my home PC, a PIII 800 MHz with 192 MB Ram and a generic firewire card, both before and after I partitioned that one and had no problems in either case. This Pentium 4 computer has been fully wiped and reinstalled twice, both times I made sure to install Premiere first, then the DV500 software. Originally I had version 4.0 then upgraded to version 4.5, still no change.

Thanks,
Jeff

Steve,
I think Ed hit the nail on the head with the 'activate recording deck' idea. So far, export to tape is the only method I've used with Premiere 6.0 (don't have a DVD burner at home yet). I go to a GL-1 and it works fine, but my first attempts failed because I hadn't checked 'activate recording deck'.

Jeff K.

Hi Jeff,

I have driver version 4.5 just to confirm.

Have you checked to see whether your hardware is compatible with the DV500 card.

If I come across something i'll let you know.

Cheers,

Ed

Talk about bringing back an old thread - thats over 2 years old!!!

I do hope Steve has solved his problem by now :)

The only questionable piece seems to be the motherboard, which isn't on the compatibility list but I'm waiting on response from Pinnacle for confirmation. The motherboard's a whole separate battle in itself; I ordered the computer from ABS with a Gigabit motherboard with Intel chipset and during this video problem troubleshooting I discovered they'd put in an MSI SiS chipset based motherboard, which has some similar problems to VIA based motherboards. I'm hoping to get ABS to replace it since we're still under our 2 year service contract (crossing my fingers).

Haha! Wow, I should check the dates more often. I found this thread on a search for Premiere related problems....

Jeff

Jeff,

I'm also running a DV500/Prem 6.5 and am having no problems at all. You've hit the nail on the head with your motherboard suspicion. The DV500 is the pickiest piece of hardware on the planet and doesn't play well with others. I had a similar problem when I first bought the DV500 4 years ago. The guys who originally built the machine didn't pay attention to the motherboard and I could never get the machine to work properly. I totally rebuilt it with a compatable motherboard, second HDD, and a Matrox G400 graphics card over the GEForce card they put in and it has been rock solid since the V2.0 drivers came out. I'm currently using V4.5/Prem 6.5 but have had no problems, other than the dodgy DVTools capture app, since V2.0. I had Prem 6.0 and also had no problems.

The Audigy could also be causing a problem as some people have reported problems with firewire conflicts. If you get the new motherboard you will need to set the DV500 up one either PCI slot 1 or 2 with it's own IRQ. This is very important in getting everythign stable. IRQ sharing and the DV500 are two words you shouldn't use in the same sentence.

If the church gives you the go-ahead on the second hard drive you will also notice a big improvement in stability and performance but that goes for pretty much any NLE system and not just the DV500.

This is a common problem with Premiere and hardware supported NLE systems like the DV500. One thing to alwys do to ensure that Premiere picks up the camera is to make sure that the camera is connected and switched on before booting up your computer. This allows the coputer to recognise the firewire device during the driver/device sequence of the boot. I do this every time I edit and have never had a problem with Premiere not exporting to the camera.

That's right, Darren. I would do all my upconverts that way, too. I like that I can do upconverts even just to various HDTVs for playback purposes. I crashed my 1.6 ghz G5 trying to do an output to 1080i. But I hear the AJA Kona card can help out with upconverts--Darren can confirm or deny that, since he actually has one! ;-)

heath

I've both upconverted, and down converted the signal and played it out the KONA card.

It works fine. The key is hard drive speed.

DBK

Well, I called ABS this morning and they claim that I ordered the MSI motherboard, even though I told them that the only motherboard offered with the system at the time was the Gigabit model with the 845 chipset....but I have no proof so I guess I eat this one. God, give me strength!!

Hopefully moving the PCI slots around will help, I've read elsewhere that SiS chipsets have a chance of working (50/50) but I'm not getting my hopes up. Can I get some suggestions of moderately priced motherboards that have worked well with the DV500 in case I have to go that route?

Thanks,
Jeff K.

Jeff check out this (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/docsupport1.asp?division_id=8&langue_id=2&product_id=564&product_name=DV500%20DVD&page_id=343) page for a full list of compatable motherboards.

Oh dear Jeff, Its a shame that some companies do that. There is nothing worse than finding what you ordered is not exactly what you get. I guess you should have rasied the question when you first brought it.

As Adrian said check out the compatable motherboard list from Pinnacle and then do more research into the mobo when you have picked one.

Obviously there is no guarantee that a new mobo will fix the problem. It might be worth holding out a little bit longer to see if anyone else can come up with anything.

All the best,

Ed

Okay, here's my problem. I just got a BRAND NEW GL2, I go into Premiere Pro to capture the video like I always do, nothing has changed, I haven't changed anything. I click on Record, I click on Play...it will capture 54 Frames then say cannot find timecode...it does this NOMATTER where I am on the tape. There are not timecode breaks. I can capture properly in Vegas however it drops frames like crazy, 118 frames for 10 min of video which is absolutely unacceptable to me.

I've tried Premiere 6.0 and 6.5 and they both do the same thing, cpature 54 frames then freeze. I even went so far as to load the Premiere Pro trial on another computer of mine and it does the exact same thing. I have NO idea what the problem could be and it is REALLY stressing me out as you can see by the caps!!!

I would use Vegas but i fear the problem is deeper in something else as it drops frames when I capture in that.

Also, when I do capture in 6.0, 6.5 or Pro, I can turn off device control and hit record and hit play on the camera and it will SOMETIMES record okay, however it turns our very choppy in parts and is still unusable video. Windows Movie Maker seems to be the only thing that captures properly and the quality is horrible on that, even with DVI capture turned on.

PLEASE HELP ME!!! I have a project that I'll be filming on the weekend and I need this to work!!! My friend with a GL2 used the same copy of 6.0 as I just did and he doesn't have these problems!!

BTW I did a search and found nothing on this.

Okay, I just did a test with an old tape and it will capture using both device control and no device control enabled when I'm using footage filmed on my old TRV38, however not new footage I filmed on my GL2. It is still somewhat choppy but it does not show dropped frames even though there is no doubt you can see where its dropping them.

Tim,

Where are you viewing the footage when you capture, via a TV or on the PC monitor?

How about loading the same clip that is choppy into windows media player and see whther it is still choppy there?

Did you record in frame mode?

What are you using as your tape deck? Have you tried playing the GL2 footage in your sony camera, and then capture via your sony camera?

PC spec etc might be useful.

Thanks,

Ed

The footage looks fine on my camera, just when I dump and playback on this computer

Its a P4 2.8GHz, 120GB HDD with 8meg cache, a Radeon 9700 and 1 GB of ram so I know there shouldn't be any problems there.

The file is choppy wherever I play it, its choppy in the same parts I can see on premiere when capturing and on WMP. I no longer have my Sony camera or I would, I'm going to school to see if the school computers will work to dump with.

Okay, I just tried dumping my tape at school and it works fine, no problems whatsoever. I used a JVC MiniDV Player. Not deck, just a handheld player. No choppiness whatsoever.

So here's the problems, I really hope somebody can help me:

Home Computer - Dumping with GL2

Premiere Pro -

DV Control Enabled
Captures 54 Frames then says "Can't Find Timecode" nomatter what tape I use or on what camera it was recorded

DV Control Disabled
Will capture up to 54 frames on tapes recorded with GL2, will capture all on tapes recorded on another camera however it is choppy.

Premiere - Same as Above


Vegas - Will capture anything, but drops frames constantly on everything.


School Computers - JVC MiniDV Player
Captures anything recorded on my GL2 or older tapes, and I'm using Premiere 6.5


The only other test I can see is to bring my GL2 to school to capture however I don't really want to do this because our school computers have somehow fried 5 Canon ZR60 ports and 3 XL1s Ports so I don't need my GL2 port to be fried. I've come to learn Canon ports are very fragile.

Tim,

First of all, Vegas should not be dropping frames like crazy. That leads me to believe there's a system problem somewhere. However, you may want to try Scenalyzer Live and see if it works.

As a first step, how about verifying that all of your hard drives are set to DMA and NOT PIO.

Hey Tim,

I, too, just bought a GL2 not too long ago and actually just dumped some footage into Premiere Pro as a test yesterday.

I dumped both interlaced and frame mode footage.

The -very- first time I went to record on the device control I hit Record, and then play, because I just wanted to record from that point. That's when I encountered the error that you spoke of.

Pretty dreadful feeling, I feel your pain.

I backed up the tape a bit, and this time just hit Play. The tape rolled forward and when I got to the point I wanted to record, I hit Record to go from there. It started to record and did not give me the error again.

I was expecting to get the error again because let's face it, that's not quite a genious workaround (I usually start simple), but from there it worked like a charm. Footage came in and exported later just fine.

Might want to give it a try (if you haven't already).

anyone here used premier pro?

I recently tried it at the store and found out that it no longer uses overlay for the main viewer (still does the clip viewer).

This is a real problem for me because I wanted to upgrade, but I used this feature heavily in the older version. because I am on a low budget I used my geforce card to zoom full screen the overlay window to my second monitor for easier editing. I cant do that now because adobe has killed this feature.

I was wandering if anyone had a work around - like patch or plugin.

I have been told to use a external monitor or TV and hook it to my DV cam (ie. pc > DV > TV) but i dont like the idea of leaving my camera on for ages as i do my edits.

Hope someone can help - or atleast explain why adobe has removed this feature - please dont tell me its cos it increases performance - because if thats the case we should have been given an option.

thanks

I'd like to get one of those colored keyboards, but I figure I should just learn the strokes rather than spend the money.

A full list would be great, a picture of the keyboard with the buttons would be awesome.

Thanks!

Premiere comes with a stand-alone list of keyboard shortcuts, printed on nice, sturdy paper... at least mine did...

I was afraid of posting this as I haven't cracked the box open since I got the bundle last summer. A 'look in the box stupid' would have been appropriate. :)

I'll check (I'm away from the office right now). I got the Video Collection Bundle, but I'm sure if it came with the individual PP it would be in there.

Thanks!

I have the previous Digital Video Collection, which came with P 6.5, AE 5.5, P-shop and Illustrator and the box included "Quick Reference Cards" for each application (I'm back home and looking at them right now...). So I assume yours will, too.

They're nice -- three-paneled and printed on sturdy paper so you can stand them up on your desk and look at them easily

Hmmmmm..

I just looked in my box and I don't have any quick refrence cards for anything in there. Just a bunch of advertisments.

Dang. Those cards sound perfect. I wonder why I don't have any.

I bought it straight from Adobe, brand new.

Does anyone know if PP transitions etc. can be viewed in their effects window without applying them to the timeline?

Me Again,

Just to clarify the question, in premiere 6.0 as well as Vegas, transition examples (motion) can be viewed outside of the timeline in the transition menus.

It seems that Premiere pro only lists their names, not motion examples.

Is this true?

transitions are fully viewable and configurable after being applied in the timeline. Just highlight the transition and edit in the effects menu, each effect has a flyout button where you can adjust the transitions parameters and even see your clips.

I believe that all the shortcut keys are mentioned in the help file in Premiere. Might be worth looking there.

Cheers,

Ed

I am currently a fluent user of Vegas Video and really like the software. However, I'm getting into using After Effects for composite (muuuuch faster and more flexible than the basic titling in Vegas) and I'm finding Encore to be much more powerful than DVD-A with Vegas.

I have a couple questions about going to Premiere though...

1. I've heard it's incredibly "buggy". There are annoying hesitations and pauses when starting/stopping playback with the space bar, that the program often freezes up for no reason, and that "saving after each and every edit stroke is a way of life with Premiere".

How true is this? I do have proper hardware - P4 2.8 with Hyper Threading, 512MB high speed ram (probably going to 1Gb soon), and I have high speed S-ATA hard drives, the latest motherboard with high speed busses and so on. My edit machine is also "clean" in that it is used only for editing... it doesn't have all those other extra applications running in the background - so the machine is powerful and clean.

Should I expect to have "bugs" with Premier Pro with this setup then?

2. I do not use "A-B" edit on Vegas... I use an edit style where all the clips are added to a single timeline, and the clips are auto faded if bumped into eachother. Premiere in the past has had an A track and a B track, and fades occured between these tracks. This sounds like more trouble than me. Can I make Premier work the same way as I'm used to working with Vegas?

3. Finally .... if you were me..... what would you do?

-I have a lot of time invested in learning Vegas and I am fully fluent in Vegas. Anything you need, I can do in Vegas. But I will also be using After Effects and beyond that - vector work taken from illustrator. I'll then be formatting to Encore DVD to actual author my DVD's for me. Is it worth it to me to re-invest about 100 hours to re-learn a new software package?

Will I be happier after loading up Premier and integrating between the two?

Any clairifications on this subject would greatly help.

Thanks!

Does Vegas not allow the import of Photoshop and Illustrator files, or anything with an alpha channel or something? I'd just stay in vegas and import the results from the other programs into that... unless Vegas can't handle those files.

Using AE and Encore is fine. But why do you want to switch to
Premiere as well? I see no advantage in that (unless you have
a hardware board that only works with Premiere). AE should be
able to load Vegas' DV AVI files and vice versa.

Thanks for the reply.

I think it's more of a workflow issue than anything. Vegas will import just about anything, but in a limited way. For example, it will not preserve the layers of a photoshop doc. That's a big limiting factor for me.

The main issue for me is workflow between AE and Vegas.

For example, a wedding film....

1. I want to use cinelook (sp?) to add an old B&W film effect to a few clips. As I understand it... I have to load these clips into AE, apply the filter, then render a new copy of these clips. I then open Vegas and load these clips as media and add them to my timeline. If I want to fade in and out of my effect, I need to keep going back to AE and re-rendering it, "trial and error" style until I get the look I'm after.

2. If I want to wait until my entire project is done (say a 60 minute video) to go back and add my text and compositing... I render it as an AVI, then I'll open AE, and load the ENTIRE 60 minute piece just to go back and add a few titles at the begining, then re-render the whole thing again. The reason this approach is required is that in my editing style, I often fade-in text slowley in one scene, and allow it to fade-out into another scene.


I know there are simpler and more efficient ways to do this, but with AE/Premiere preserving the tracks for eachother, it seems like it would be much more time efficient to use 2 tools that were specifically designed to work together.

My real concern is that I've heard premiere is buggy. Does it have this reputation or is it stable and usable for most people?

Thanks again!

You can easily use Vegas and the other programs. When moving between Vegas and AE, use UNCOMPRESSED AVI files. If you are wanting images, Photoshop files are fine. Likewise, you can use PNG. Both of these will allow Alpha channels. To move to Envoy, just render MPEG and AC-3 from Vegas. It should (hopefully) use them just fine. No need to lose the time invested learning Vegas.

Have you tried doing B&W/Filmlook from within Vegas? Have you looked at the tools from Zenote? Or Pixelan? Or Boris?

I would NOT pass a 60 minute video to AE. Just pass the small section(s) you need to actually modify. So if you are adding titles over the first 2 minutes, only pass the first 2 minutes instead of the full 60.

Also, you can always frameserve from Vegas to AE.

Kevin --

1) Bugginess: I save often in Premiere. Then again, I save often with every application, from Word to Photoshop. To me, the threat of crashing has been a component of simply being a Windows user, not of being a Premiere user. I've actually heard that Premiere Pro is *more* stable than previous versions, although I'm not ready to upgrade from 6.5 just yet...

2) A/B editing: Actually, Premiere Pro has done away with A/B editing, if what I've read is true. This is one reason why I'm avoiding upgrading from 6.5 -- I actually like A/B editing. Dunno, must be something in the water... (edit: by the way, in Premiere 6.5, you can choose to either use A/B editing or single-track editing. That's a nice feature and I don't know why they don't offer than choice with P Pro)

If you like Vegas and are proficient with it, then why not stick with it? After Effects can handle Photoshop layers really well as it is -- in fact, Photoshop and After Effects together make for some great uses of still photography in video.

And as Edward said, don't put 60 minutes of video into AE just to do 2 minutes of titling. In fact, I often do my titling in After Effects against a transperancy, then export it as an uncompressed AVI with an alpha channel; I import that file in Premiere on top of my main video tracks and set the transperancy to Alpha Key. That way I can move the title sequence or edit the underlying video without having to go back into AE to redo the whole thing.

1) when I first upgraded from premiere 6.5 to Pro, I got LOTS of bugs. Premiere was crashing like crazy. It was so bad that I had to move back to 6.5, temporarly. Now Adobe released fixes for those bugs. After installing them, my system works like a rock. Never crashed since then. (I use Matrox RTX100 Xtreme with Premiere)

2) In Premiere 6.5, you had the choice between A/B Editing and Single Track Editing. So if you found A/B editing annoying, you could always switch to the "advanced" editing, the single track.
Now in Pro, they completely removed A/B editing. you could only use the single track.

3) I don't think you need 100 hours to learn Adobe. I bought a book for Encore DVD, and took me 2 days only to completely learn the software. Super easy to use, and works really really nice with Premiere Pro and After Effects. If you have those 3 softwares, you could make awesome interactive/motion menus on DVDs, in a matter of hours. Of course, you could do it with other softwares. It's just that Adobe made it easier.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. That's a big help. I purchased a Premiere Pro book today and have learned a lot.

I think I will make the swtich, mainly when I got to looking at the "Video Collection" bundle. Woah - major software at a major savings. I'm chipping away with the demo version of AE right now, just playing with it - about to make the purchase though.

I'm still using Photoshop 5 (or is it 6?) anyway... an older version. Been wanting to upgrade to CS. Was debating over getting the basic or the pro version of AE, plus planning to purchase Encore for its normal price.

For $1500 I get AE Pro plus Encore (those 2 packages alone total over $1500 if purchased on their own), plus they include Photoshop CS, AND Audition (been needing a good pro-level audio app - wouldn't have shelled out for it by itself, but heck, it's included) PLUS they include Premiere Pro. That's a heck of a value, especially when all the products work together. (Okay, not as well as they advertise, but better than no compatabillity at all).

Anyway, thanks again.
-K

I don't think "Audition" is what you would call a "pro-level"
audio application. It is basically a new version of Cool Edit Pro
with a new name (as far as I heard). Not to say that it can't
do the job or work wonders for you. I just don't think it is
pro-level, that's all.

<<<-- Originally posted by Nawaf Alali : 1)Premiere was crashing like crazy. It was so bad that I had to move back to 6.5, temporarly. Now Adobe released fixes for those bugs.. -->>>

Where can I find a download for those fixes? Adobe doesn't seem to have them anywhere in the open on their site. Been digging and digging.

I got the "try out" version and it crashes (locks up my box, hardcore) after about 4 seconds of editing, always while a clip is playing. I'm lost.

Hey Kevin,
I am an avid Premiere Pro user. I have never used Vegas, though.

Premiere Pro is the most stable version of Premiere that I have ever used. But, there is one bug that EVERY Premiere user should know:

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/3260e.htm

This deals with saving certain projects and how sometimes you can crash Premiere. I've dealt with it a few times when I had a long timeline, but Adobe has zeroed in on the bug and currently has a work-around for it. Now, I have ZERO problems.

I monitor the official Adobe forums and that is the only bug that you'll find.

Good luck!