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Steven Gotz
November 8th, 2004, 05:53 PM
If you are used to exporting a still as 4:3, you might just need to change your settings and export at 16:9. But make sure it is square pixels, meaning you have to do the math.

Jiggy Gaton
November 8th, 2004, 07:03 PM
thanks steve! frame rate # is the prob. I have 130+ frames at 50kb each so i dont know what i was thinking. I was hoping that imageready would smash it all down to an animated gif of about 100kb but that's just dreamin. i am going to try the export at 5 fps and see what happens, but maybe it's not possible to make small animated gifs that have a video look ?!? ke garne.
jigs

Steven Gotz
November 8th, 2004, 09:34 PM
How big are your frames? Maybe you should reduce the size to no more than 320X240, and reduce the color to 256 if it hasn't already been done. At 5 frames per second, it doesn't exactly look like video.

K. Forman
November 8th, 2004, 09:54 PM
Somewhat smooth animation is 12-15 frames per second.

Kent Metschan
November 8th, 2004, 10:19 PM
Could you shed some more light for me? The pixel aspect ration I thought would work is "D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16:9 (1.2)". I've also tried square pixels and that doesn't seem to work either. Do I need to change the frame size? It's set for 720 x 480 which is the dimension of the project.

Steven Gotz
November 8th, 2004, 11:13 PM
Well, you can't export 1.2 ratio pixels and expect them to work in anything except a video editor is my guess. Try exporting 864X480 and see how that works for you.

That is what I meant by doing the math. Multiply 720 by 1.2

Karel Bata
November 9th, 2004, 05:58 AM
1 - Anyone know if there's a way of getting Cleaner SX to show up as one of my export settings in Premiere 1.5?

2 - If I can't do that, what should my export settings in Premiere be to allow me to then import into SX? I know it should be the same frame size and frame rate as the source material, but what codecs shoudl I use?

3 - And, while I'm here, how do I switch off Premiere's tendency to process everything - by that I mean getting Premiere to not process cuts-only material?

Many thanks

Rob Lohman
November 9th, 2004, 06:03 AM
<<<-- but maybe it's not possible to make small animated gifs that have a video look ?!? -->>>

I would say that is indeed not possible, due to the fact that GIF's
are only 256 colors and you will only be able to store a couple of
frames (and thus a very low framerate).

I do believe PNG has animation support as well up to full 24 bit
color, but that will increase the filesize even more.

Rob Lohman
November 9th, 2004, 06:17 AM
Steven has a good point, that is also the reason why I asked what
your exact project settings where.

In Vegas (for example) this happens automatically (ie, it does
this transform for you), but it appears this does not happen in
Premiere.

As Steven indicated the math is simply. Check what the pixel
aspect ratio is in your project settings and multiply this number
by the width (720) of NTSC. When exporting choose 1.0 as
pixel aspect ratio (all stills need a 1.0 PA ratio!) and enter the
calculated width as the resolution and leave the default height
(should be 480).

Jiggy Gaton
November 9th, 2004, 06:34 AM
thanks all, you guys are the experts with thousands of posts! i give up. i thought i could decorate a website with just little bits of great footage but by the time u get it down to 320x5fps it looks pretty bad. i tried swf (flash) but its the same problem. one of these days i'll get into streaming video but not now. i was going to have animated gif icons for some downloadable avi or wmf clips but the best thing would be a simple gif. i guess i'll just wait till the next tecnological advancement. thanks again for all your comments!
jigs

Rob Lohman
November 9th, 2004, 07:11 AM
You don't need streaming to offer a movie. If you encode your
movie into QuickTime or Windows Media you can easily offer it
for download, ofcourse those files will be much larger in size.
You can even fake the "streaming" part.

What most people see as streaming is a movie that plays within
their webbrowser. You can easily do this with both Windows
Media and QuickTime without having a streaming server (just
a plain webserver). The underlying difference between this
apparant streaming and real streaming is the way how the
movies are (or can be) transmitted to your audience.

Just as an example: with the fake method you can't do a live
event broadcast for example and multicast that to your audience.

Jiggy Gaton
November 9th, 2004, 08:51 AM
thanks for that! yes i understand. i just wanted to make the button more attractive for the download (fake streaming!). like play a bit of the movie just like i do for my DVD menus. the problem we have in nepal of course is almost everyone is on a very slow modem line, or a shared broadband that's even slower!
jigs

Dan Euritt
November 9th, 2004, 03:24 PM
jiggy, you have a good idea and it can work, but you'll have to drastically decrease the frame sizes that you are working with... 320 is waaay too big.

i create animated video gif icons from seriously cropped video sources using settings like 64x48x6fps, which as a real short clip, equals 21kb in size... i put transparent bevels on each side, it looks great!

Jiggy Gaton
November 9th, 2004, 05:54 PM
dan, another good tip! of course. i'll give that size a shot. thanks,
jiggy

Trond Saetre
November 10th, 2004, 03:18 AM
You can correct the pixel aspect ratio in Premiere Pro.

Highlight the (image)file in the project window and
Choose:
File -> Interpret Footage

Kent Metschan
November 10th, 2004, 09:10 AM
Thanks everyone for their feedback. I never would have figured it out without this forum.

John DeLuca
November 11th, 2004, 01:13 PM
I used the shadows/highlights effect on a wedding I did over the summer. I noticed a flickering effect every so often with the brightness. When I disable the shadows/highlights it goes away, so I dont think it was recorded that way. This has also happened with the magic bullet filmic plug in aswell. Any help is appreciated.

John

Ed Smith
November 12th, 2004, 03:29 AM
Hi John,

Does it do the same thing if you apply the same effect to another clip in another project?

What version of Premiere are you using?

What settings are you using?

Where did you notice the flickering effect (TV, PC monitor etc)?

Thanks,

Ed

Christopher Najewicz
November 12th, 2004, 12:28 PM
Hi, I've searched the forums but I can't seem to find the answer to my question, so if it's been discussed before, I apologize in advance...

I have been working on a DVD for a band, I am all done with it and it has been sent off to be manufactured, I am working in Premiere, and I have been frameserving to CCE for MPEG encoding.

Anyhow, my dilemma is this, I was recently told that we need to send this off to the UK for distribution, so I need to convert the whole thing to PAL.

My question is this, what is the best workflow to convert?

I do have Canopus Procoder 2...

Can I export PAL from premiere by simply resizing to 720x576 at 25fps, or do I need to open a new project and import my outputted NTSC DV file (will this cause a generational loss?)

Am I better off just converting my encoded NTSC content via Procoder?

Thanks for any help, I am concered about quality since this will be a commercial release that people will (hopefully) be paying for.

John DeLuca
November 12th, 2004, 12:32 PM
Its not consistent with all clips, and only happens "here, and there". I was out on a sunny day, bright background(lake), dark foreground(shade), camera static when noticed. The dark areas that where brought out(dark areas made brighter) seem to be the areas affected. Using pro 1.5, 30p, 4:3 timeline. Shot with a GL2, daylight balance, no exposure lock. I noticed it on my computer monitor. My guess is that when the dark areas are made lighter, you can see the exposure change in the shadow areas alot easier. Hard to see whats going on when the tiny GL2 screen is jacked up all the way on your tripod.


John

Dan Euritt
November 12th, 2004, 07:33 PM
if you shot and edited it in ntsc, you should be able to encode to pal mpeg2 via procoder, right off of the premiere timeline... or just import the finished ntsc dv avi into procoder, if that is what you have.

there are presets in procoder for converting ntsc dv directly to pal mpeg2 for dvd... the field settings might not match, i usually have to correct that... you can use the same audio that you used for the ntsc dvd when authoring the dvd... encode it at the highest data rate you can get away with, i use two-pass mastering mode vbr with 8800 max on the video.

Jiggy Gaton
November 13th, 2004, 10:24 PM
hi all, happy tihar! well, i have a clip that is 30 or so minutes of a sunrise in the Annurpurnas and i want to speed it up to less than 30 seconds or so - ya know that effect - clouds wizzing by and sunlight quickly illuminating the peaks. how do i do that in premier? Is there another option other than just changing the speed/duration link by 6000% or so?!? is there something in AfterEffects that's better?
thanks!
jigs

Brendan Sundry
November 14th, 2004, 05:23 AM
I have no problems captuing in avi format in premiere 6.5, but when i select quicktime i get the "unable to connect to capture driver" message. Just wondering if there is some driver i could download and install to fix this problem?

Ed Smith
November 14th, 2004, 06:21 AM
Hi Jiggy,

You might want to try taking out a couple of frames every so often (say every 1 minute take out 25/30frames). This will then hopefully give a timelapse kind of effect, you would need to experiment with it though...

Another thing to try could be motion blurs, guassian blurs and so on.

All of these effects will need to be used with speed change...

Thanks,

Jiggy Gaton
November 14th, 2004, 09:49 PM
thanks ed! i got it by increasing the speed by 6000%, exporting the results, and even speeding that shortened bit up. but is still does not look like the stuff ya see on national G or in commercials. I think my filming technique is the problem - ya just can't put the camera on auto and let it roll for 30 minutes - i think you have to be there on manual, make exposure adjustments, then cut out the adjustment "jerks" later during editing. in auto my GS400 did not do a very good job making smooth exposure adjustments - i bet the xl1s would have been better.
jigs

Dan Euritt
November 14th, 2004, 11:54 PM
fwiw, i don't think that you will gain anything by capturing footage with quicktime instead of premiere.

Steven Fokkinga
November 15th, 2004, 07:44 AM
Hello everyone,

I have the following problem: on a documentary I edited a while ago I made a final export to mpeg-2 for dvd. Now after the job was delivered and concluded, due to a hard-drive crash I lost all my orignal captured .avi files. That was very nasty, although not a disaster because the job was already concluded and I also still had my source files on the dv-tapes. Now my client would like a shorter version of the documentary. It only involves a few very basic steps; cutting out some parts. So I tried to re-edit my mpeg-file (I know, that's not going to do the quality any good, but this client isn't that picky on that for this low-budget project) but couldn't get any results as premiere screws up the timeline; the audio isn't sync anymore, there are skips and freezes, etc.
Now I'm sure this is because of the intra-frame compressing of mpeg (and the GOP and I-frames, etc.).
My question is if there's any way to do this edit in premiere with a plug-in or mod, or to do it in another program. The only other option I have is to go back to the source dv-tapes but that would take me a week to edit, whereas some cuts in the mpeg-file would take me 5 minutes (on a working program, that is!). I even tried those freeware videosplitting apps who claim to do mpeg but they screwed it up as well. Ideas, anyone?

Steven

Rob Lohman
November 15th, 2004, 08:10 AM
Where are you located in Holland? You might try loading the
MPEG2 in www.virtualdub.org and have it export it as
an uncompressed AVI file. If that works you'll be set. If not you
will probably need another edit program (I have Vegas here and
it should be able to do this).

Rob Lohman
November 15th, 2004, 10:36 AM
With digital format you can only capture in DV, although QuickTime
supports DV I don't think you can capture to it (it looks like it
switched to analog capturing which it can't find). If you need a
QuickTime DV avi file on the PC just capture it in AVI, drag it to the
timeline and export as QuickTime DV.

Steven Fokkinga
November 15th, 2004, 06:30 PM
Hi Rob, I'm from Delft.

I tried virtualdub, but all it says is: "no video frames found in mpeg-file" It says that on multiple mpeg files, also video from another sources (ripped from dvd). Could this be a codec problem? They play normally in media player or other players, just when I try to re-edit them (in premiere) they screw up. Any thoughts?

Steven

PS I don't have Vegas so can't check if that works

Dan Euritt
November 15th, 2004, 09:25 PM
you do not want to re-encode the mpeg2 file at all... that means you'll need a real mpeg2 editor.

womble is what i use, you can download the free trial and see how it works for yourself... it has a window that tells you what is being re-encoded and what isn't, you should be able to get away with simple cuts-only editing with no re-encoding at all.

of course, that assumes that you have already pulled the mpeg2 files out of your dvd.

canopus also has an mpeg editor that should not do any re-encoding for simple edits.

Will Robertson
November 15th, 2004, 09:28 PM
I really really need some help on this one. I have my camera connected to my computer through a firewire and I am going out from the camera to a tv. In theory this should work, but instead anytime the computer is connected to the firewire it freezes premiere so it doesn't play anything nothing is being outputted or shown at all. As soon as I disconnected the firewire or turn the camera off Premiere goes back to normal.

Do any of you know how to fix this? Please help! Thank you


WILL

Lars Siden
November 16th, 2004, 02:41 AM
Hi,

I had that problem with Premiere 6 / 6.5 ... never did fix it for good - a temporary fix that worked for some time was to delelete the firewire driver from "device manager" and let Windows rediscover it. Never had this problem with Premiere Pro


// Lazze \\

Rob Lohman
November 16th, 2004, 05:12 AM
That's an excellent idea indeed Dan. There is also a program
somewhere called M2Edit I believe. How large is the file?

Mirko Sohr
November 16th, 2004, 05:48 AM
http://fcchandler.home.comcast.net/stable/

try this one of have a look for the MainConcept mpg2-support for premiere, its working quite nice, u can import every mpg2 file and edit easily

;P

always keep in mind, google is ur best friend :)

Steven Fokkinga
November 16th, 2004, 07:04 AM
Thanks Rob, Dan and Mirko!

I managed to get it done with the womble-thing! That saved me a week's work!

Many thanks again!

Steven

Mirko Sohr
November 16th, 2004, 07:09 AM
ur welcome... i hope u can be succesfull, and it useful in ur case

Cliff Hepburn
November 16th, 2004, 09:33 AM
I always plug in and power up the camera before starting Premiere and never had any problems. Are you starting Premiere before turning on the camera?
HTH
-Cjh

Will Robertson
November 16th, 2004, 10:26 AM
Usually I'll wait until Premiere is loaded and then plug it in but I've tried it both ways. I'll try what you suggested Lars and see if that helps, thanks.

Dan Euritt
November 16th, 2004, 11:30 AM
just for drill, make sure you don't have anything else connected to the firewire bus the camera is on... perhaps there is a hardware conflict.

Kyle Edwards
November 18th, 2004, 07:26 PM
http://www.dynapel.com/

Also has a slow-mo program, does a great job. I remember Premiere 6.5 doing a better job than Pro with slow-mo. Can anyone verify or am I just being forgetful?

Barry Lajnwand
November 19th, 2004, 03:12 PM
I have this really old video that is mostly in Black & White (due to it being a high generation tape, and poor dubbing). However, there are a few seconds of color footage here and there during the video. Is there any way I can use the few seconds of color footage to correct the B&W footage? I'm using Premier Pro 1.5 now, but I also have 6.5 and After Effects (if necessary).

Stephen Jackson
November 19th, 2004, 04:05 PM
When I use Premiere Pro encoder to convert my video to Quicktime it render until the last two frames and then it stops.

I'm editing on P4 2.4Ghz and 2.00 Gigs of RAM with Windows XP

I've completed 60 minute videos with multiple effects and this machine handles it well.

I can't figure why it happens.

Thanks a lot for any assistance

Barry Lajnwand
November 19th, 2004, 04:33 PM
So it encodes everything but the last two frames?

Have you tried extending your video by two frames (of extra footage or black video) so that it encodes everything you want it to?

Pete Bauer
November 19th, 2004, 06:12 PM
Don't know if yours is the same problem, but I fixed my Adobe Media Encoder (AME) "failed to return video frame" lockups with this work-around:

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/330380.html

Apparently WinXP SP2 messes with AME's use of hyperthreading. If you get that error message, the very simple workaround ought to do it (re-naming the Adobe Premiere Pro.exe file).

If this doesn't help, search around in Adobe's Knowledge Base...I've usually found answers to problems with Adobe software well documented right on the Adobe web site.

Best o' luck!

Stephen Jackson
November 19th, 2004, 08:52 PM
I've extended the frames and decreased the frames to no avail.

I don't get an error message the timer shows 0:00 and 8300 of 8302 frames encoded.

I'm going to search the Adobe database, thanks a lot

Jake Sawyer
November 20th, 2004, 11:12 PM
I have some footage that I'm editing with interviews inbetween and I'm a newbie at sound editing, so I need some help. I know the basics of sound editing, but I still haven't learned the more advanced stuff. For instance, I have a minute of two of footage with the music blaring and then suddenly I cut right to a little interview clip. The problem is at the beginning of the interview clip a big hum from a bus outside that is passing by is very loud, this was a run and gun documentary, so I can't reshoot or anything. So, how would I cancel out that backround noise, but still keep the persons voice just as loud? Also, how do I cancel out that common hiss sound? I have alot of little clips from different interviews inbetween the music and I would really like to beable not to have to fade the music all the way down suddenly, so you can hear the persons voice. I've raised and tweaked the gain, but I was wondering if theres a better way to tweak it so I don't have to lower the music all the way down when someones talking. I know these are real general questions, but any help would be appreciated!

Jiggy Gaton
November 20th, 2004, 11:30 PM
jake, with the clips on the timeline and selected go to effects / volume and adjust by adding keyframes and then moving the envelope markers up or down. for example, the beginning of one clip you gradually raise the volume and at the end you gradually lower the volume. you can add keyframes before some dialog and after some dialog to raise just the dialog volume. however, editing audio in premiere is tedious and i prefer Audition 1.5 (formally cool edit pro). In Audition you can take the hiss out of almost anything and create real multitrack soundtracks for your clips. You can even import your video file and edit the audio that way, while viewing the video realtime. however, i have unanswered posts all over the place on why this does not seem to work very well (lag time between recording and video playback). good luck!
jigs

Jiggy Gaton
November 20th, 2004, 11:37 PM
not sure if 6 has it, but 7+ has scene detection where it will capture the entire tape by scenes, select scene detect and capture tape, not in/out points. easy and works great.
jigs

Jake Sawyer
November 21st, 2004, 09:31 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Jiggy Gaton : jake, with the clips on the timeline and selected go to effects / volume and adjust by adding keyframes and then moving the envelope markers up or down. for example, the beginning of one clip you gradually raise the volume and at the end you gradually lower the volume. you can add keyframes before some dialog and after some dialog to raise just the dialog volume. however, editing audio in premiere is tedious and i prefer Audition 1.5 (formally cool edit pro). In Audition you can take the hiss out of almost anything and create real multitrack soundtracks for your clips. You can even import your video file and edit the audio that way, while viewing the video realtime. however, i have unanswered posts all over the place on why this does not seem to work very well (lag time between recording and video playback). good luck!
jigs -->>>

So, really all I can do is raise and lower the volume to cancel out the noise? My problem is it happens right when the person is talking so I couldn't lower it unless I lowered her voice also. I better go try Audition. Thanks for the advice.