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Charley Gallagher August 13th, 2004, 07:39 PM I used Premiere 6.5 for awhile and it did the job. I loved the look and feel of Premiere Pro but had similar problems to yours, Brian. I would spend a lot of time with Task Manager running and watch where the memory was going. I ended up putting in 1.5 meg of memory and most of the lag problems went away.
However I feel there is a memory leak in Windows or in Premiere Pro, at least on my machine. Memory is used, then when it is no longer needed, it isn't given back. It is likened to an Inn where people sign in and are supposed to sign out. On a busy day it would appear that all 100 or so rooms are taken, according to the REGISTRY because 30 of the people who left never signed out.
I know Windows XP leaks memory and I somewhere found a fix for that (don't ask, I can no longer find the source and I just reinstalled Windows tonite but might not need it as Vegas does behave poorly) but my take on the situation is that Premiere must do it also, OR something on my machine, and your machine, is doing it.
Just a suggestion but watch your performance in Task Manager when it gets slow. Then save the project and reboot. Try the very same task and see if it doesnt run better. I would reboot Premiere Pro after long periods of use and it always came back running better.
Tyler Smith August 14th, 2004, 02:47 AM Hi,
well i've just got into this editing game and am popping my cherry with premiere 6.0. I'm kinda struggling with basic concepts and need some help (like how to get those transtions to work!)
I am a recent ex-student and am low on cash (thats kind of why I ended up with this old version of premiere), as such i was wondering if anyone new where i could access an online resource where i could score some free info.
thanks
tyler
Rob Lohman August 14th, 2004, 05:58 AM I don't think Premiere Pro supports that yet, but I could be wrong on that.
Carl Walters August 14th, 2004, 09:08 AM I'ver now got my ppro 1.5, installed and running. After sorting out the set up (i use it with Matrox) I must say I am more than over the moon with it. SO far so good. At last I can sit down and edit without bugs and freezes.
(I'll bet now the next time I use it I get a problem!!)
Richard Maloney August 14th, 2004, 03:04 PM I think its great also.
The stability is improved, but I would recommend that you change the default auto-save to 5 minutes and make backups as you go file>save as copy. Also, the things we ask it to do once you get speedy are really intensive for the computer so give it a bit of breathing time eg. when its conforming an audio file wait till its done- not long!
Steven Gotz August 14th, 2004, 03:48 PM You might want to start by watching some free tutorials at http://www.wrigleyvideo.com
Drop by my site for links to other tutorials sites (and lots of other links). You might even want to spend $25 and take the VTC tutorials online.
Mark Williams August 14th, 2004, 05:40 PM Tyler,
Try the following:
http://www.adobe.com/education/dvtraining/premiere6/main.html
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?14@@.ee6b372
Both are good sources to get the basics. Also, if 6.0 is stable on your system you will find it quite capable of doing all kinds of special effects type stuff. I have used it for years and have yet to outgrow it even though it is tempting to go with the newest software with all the latest bells and whistles. But, just look at any good production and they use mostly basic disolves and cuts. Thats where I believe you need to be starting out. I use the 6.5 version and expect it to meet my needs for many years to come.
Regards,
Mark
Christopher Reynolds August 15th, 2004, 02:39 PM I recently bought Premiere Pro 1.5, didn't upgrade due to...well, legal reasons that I will omit from here. BUT, I'm glad I didn't upgrade because when I installed Premiere Pro 1.5, I tried loading my Premiere 6.5 files with it, and of course, it had to conform the file to a Premiere Pro 1.5 file. When I loaded the file finally, all seemed fine, but when I played it (It was a music video without fancy effects and strobing, so the sound synch had to be perfect) the sound was horribly out of synch, and many of my effects were gone! Since then, I stuck with Premiere 6.5 to finish out the editing, then exported it to an AVI file to add titles in Premiere Pro 1.5 (6.5 had a horrible flaw in titles where if you changed the shadow color form anything but black, it would turn into a blotchy mess). It isn't an issue anymomre, but just curious if other people had this problem before. I keep hearing people praise Vegas and bash Premiere, but my girlfriend and I just spent $1,600 on the Video collection Pro set, and I'm very happy with it, and don't plan on changing NLE platforms due to the price of doing such. Anywho, what was your experience in transferring 6.5 files to 1.5?
Steven Gotz August 15th, 2004, 08:37 PM As you discovered, the import of the older product's files into the newer product was not flawless. A new set of effects, and a new codec, really made the changes significant, and most people just finish up in the old program and then move on.
I would like to have seen a more seamless import, but it just didn't happen.
Jeremy Bond August 16th, 2004, 01:25 PM Hi, Using Premiere 6.0 and just starting out. Shot some footage, captured using firewire and edited with Premiere. But when I look at the edited footage it's a really bad quality - quite "line"y in parts. When you then look at it on full screen (as an AVI in Media Player) it looks even worse, like it's video shot on a poor mega pixelled digital stills camera that deos a few seconds of video! What's up? Help MUCH appreciated!! Thanks ,,,,,,
Glenn Chan August 16th, 2004, 01:38 PM Does it look fine on a TV? Hook up a TV to your camcorder/deck.
Ken Wagner August 16th, 2004, 03:44 PM Why use Premiere to do time laps when you can use Scenalyzer? Check it out. .. awesome little application. I think the link would be www.scenalyzer.com. Much better than Premeires DV capture interface.
. . .and no, I'm not associated with Scenalyzer.
Richard Lewis August 16th, 2004, 04:48 PM Hi Carl, glad to see that its all working.
It's really nice to finally edit without glitches and freezes.
Are u using the Matrox rtx 100 extreme?
Jeremy Bond August 16th, 2004, 05:03 PM Well I don't have the cables required to go to TV from my computer. It's fine on the camera itself, but it's when the image is captured on the computer...Any clues?.... Thanks
Carl Walters August 16th, 2004, 05:43 PM ......Are u using the Matrox rtx 100 extreme?...
Yes I am Richard. I purchased the extreme pro kit earlier this year, i missed out on the free upgrade to 1.5 by just 8 days. At least it's working okay now.
Ed Smith August 17th, 2004, 02:49 AM Hi Jeremy,
The only way to really tell how good the quality is, is to hook it up to a TV. Maybe if you export a small bit to tape and then play it back on a TV, would find out whether it is actually bad picture quality.
By expanding the image to fit your computer VGA monitor you will defiantly loose resolution. Reason being that video is captured at 720x576 (PAL). If you then expand it to say 1024x768 you will be stretching the pixels which will make it, look like it was shot on a poor digital camera.
Can you please explain what you mean by liney? Do they appear all the way through? Are they horizontal or vertical? Do they appear quite heavily when you are panning or tilting? Maybe you could post a picture of the problem?
I often get horizontal lines when playing footage on my Dell 17" VGA LCD screens. I'm to too sure exactly why, but certainly the lines do not appear when exporting back to tape or making a DVD.
Cheers,
Jeremy Bond August 17th, 2004, 03:42 AM Hi Ed. Thanks for your reply. Yes by "Line"y I mean horizontal lines in parts. Sounds like you describe on your screen too. It's a shame that one can't see a god resolution moving picture on the screen as one edits. But what you are saying is, put those images on a TV screen three times the size and it should fine? Is it possible to hook TV up to computer base and view that way? - or must I go to tape (not set up for this). Thanks so much...
Glenn Chan August 17th, 2004, 08:57 AM Most but not all camcorders can convert from DV/firewire to analog on the fly.
Set Premiere to show video through firewire. (sorry I forget the location of this setting)
Set your camera to convert DV --> A/V (aka analog)
Not the other way around!
On your TV, be sure it's on the right input. Line 1, line 2, etc.
Jeremy Bond August 17th, 2004, 10:13 AM Please help. I amn based in UK. No option for 25p on Premiere Pro 1.5. only for standard NTSC, standard PAL and 24p (*which, as we all know is NTSC). I phoned Adobe UK and they couldn't help either - I practically had to explain what 25p was! Does ANYONE have a DVX100AE? What are you editing on? CAN it be done on Premiere? One source now says the only software they knwo that does it is Avid... but whatever the case is I'm happy with Premiere. Can I get it to work?????
Thanks..
Rob Lohman August 17th, 2004, 01:19 PM Also keep in mind that the preview screen for Premiere is exactly
that, a PREVIEW. Windows Media Player is also playing back the
file (per default) at 50% resolution that introduces even worse
artifacts when scaling up. As said by other people watch your
edited footage on a TV. Cables for that are cheap!
Rob Lohman August 17th, 2004, 01:22 PM It's been a while but what you normally do is select PAL and then
after that change the interlaced setting to "none" or "progressive"
Ed Smith August 18th, 2004, 03:25 AM Hi Jeremy,
YES Premiere Pro can edit your footage.
When you start a new project, if you select the custom settings tab, make sure the settings are:
From the top, general tab:
DV PLayback
25 FPS
720x576 (greyed out)
D1/DV PAL (1.067)
Progressive scan (No fields)
25fps timecode
If you then click on save preset, give the preset a name, say: DVX100 Progressive capture (PAL)
Give the project a name and click OK.
Your project is now setup for progressive scan, which I think you need.
Cheers,
Jeremy Bond August 18th, 2004, 03:40 AM Ed and Rob, thanks. I will do this. Is that what you edit on Ed? Why is it though that there is an automatic way to do this for NTSC (24p)- but yet you can set it manually? Isn't that odd?
Jeremy Bond August 18th, 2004, 03:44 AM Thanks everyone. I bought a lead and - I firewired from computer back into the camera (export to tape) and then staight out from my S video and audio phonos onboard to the scart on my TV. Images look great! Thanks for you help. These forums are a godsend! Imagine us all before this....tearing our hair out for days on end in isolation (well I know I would be)!
Pat Engh August 18th, 2004, 08:53 AM A bought the Matrox Extreem, but then later found out that in wasn't compatible with my machine, as for now I'm just using my sound cards Firewire for capturing...
Kin Kwan August 18th, 2004, 11:02 AM There's really only ONE option that you have to change if you want to edit 25p. (fields > no fields) It makes sense for Adobe to make a preset for 24fps since it's a different frame rate than NTSC or PAL. It'd be a hassle for them to make a whole new preset for progressive PAL and progressive NTSC, instead they made it an option that you can change.
-KiN
Vamshidhar Kuchikulla August 18th, 2004, 01:52 PM I am using Adobe Premiere Pro. When editing the audio levels of captured clips and .mp3(songs) pitch level is different when recorded onto vhs. Can anybody tell me how to get the same level pitch of captured clips and audio songs.
suggestions greatly appreciated.
vamshi
Alexey Ravichev August 18th, 2004, 03:10 PM hi Ed,
I tried setting dv control to generic, panasonic, panasonic dvx100a, you name it... nothing works.
I don't see anything in preview window.
I am not sure what exactly you are asking about when talking about settings, I just use ppro1.5 preset for 24p standard (nonwidescreen).
The funny thing is that dv control works as far as rewinding and stopping goes... well I started repeating my first post..
Any suggestions?
Another question is whether I get the same result if I grab by some other program (say windows movie maker) and then open this footage in ppro1.5? Will I get the same result as if grabbing directly from ppro1.5?
Lukah Sighs August 18th, 2004, 03:29 PM hi, do you think it's possible to edit on a laptop hp pavillon amd athlon 2500, 512 ram? can i use adobe premiere pro or maybe even avid? or is it too risky?
thanx,
lukah
Jeremy Bond August 18th, 2004, 04:38 PM Hi. Done some work on Prem 6.0 and now moved to Pro 1.5. Finding it difficult to make the change (dumb, huh!) Is is worth learning Pro 1.5 properly? Is it that much better? If so, is there a good tutorial/website with help (other than the adobe one that really isn't great). Thanks
Kin Kwan August 18th, 2004, 05:19 PM yes.
Rob Lohman August 19th, 2004, 01:21 AM First: I've renamed and moved your thread to better reflect
the content.
I'm not too sure on your question either, but I'll give it a go.
Which version of Premiere Pro are you using? What are the
EXACT audio details of the tracks you are mixing (ie kHz and
sample rate)? I've had problems in the past with Premiere
to mix different rates like 48 kHz for DV with 44.1 kHz for
MP3/DVD. Try converting everything to 48 kHz / 16 bit that
isn't.
Lukah Sighs August 19th, 2004, 01:26 AM ...mmm, does this 'yes ' means too risky or that it's possible?
Rob Lohman August 19th, 2004, 01:30 AM Are you sure Premiere supports the 24p modes from the DVX100a
yet? I was under the impression that it wasn't. As you are saying
it is still 29.97 fps. Why not just capture in that format? That
should work regardless. Then figure out if you can edit it as 24p
or not.
Rob Lohman August 19th, 2004, 01:34 AM That it is possible. Although AVID usually has less "support" for
laptop editing. Ofcourse if you already have the laptop try out
the various demos on the machine before plunking down the
money. I'm running Vegas fine on my laptop for example.
Lukah Sighs August 19th, 2004, 03:56 PM alright, i wonder what would be the results of a poll about the cinema effect with premiere pro. what do you guys think is the best way to lose that ugly video image? in premiere pro postproduction of course.
Richard Lewis August 19th, 2004, 04:28 PM Hi Jeremy,
I'm new to Premier Pro too, but I think I’ve got up to speed now.
http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial/tut_premierepro.htm
(Forgot how to do the web link thing)
The above site has some free tutorials. But I don’t know if they are exactly what u are looking for.
Total training also do some DVD lessons, obviously at a cost. There’s one for $49.00 I think (don't know how much in proper money). It shows you the basics (got mine free with my Matrox card)
http://www.totaltraining.com/store/2003/tt_products/Premiere_Pro_15.asp?mscsid=
Hope this helps.
Vamshidhar Kuchikulla August 19th, 2004, 04:35 PM Alright..i am using Adobe premiere pro first released version. I use always 48k...no problem with the sound...What i mean to say is when i capture some clips have low voice... using volume control in stereo mode i can increase to a certain extent. the next clip is my song say .mp3 . The question is when we move from clip to other clip it changes. I want to know how to maintain particular audio level through out the length of the video.
thanx
vamshi
Jeremy Bond August 19th, 2004, 05:08 PM thanks Richard, will check that out! Cheers...
Ed Smith August 20th, 2004, 02:38 AM Hello,
Premiere Pro 1.5 support 24P, it as not suppported in v1.0.
Does Windows Movie maker see the camera? are you able to capture with it? I don't think WMM supports 24P but do you get video in the capture window?
I'm sure there are a few people using a DVX100A with PP, and have it working OK.
Maybe try a re-install?
Cheers,
Rob Lohman August 20th, 2004, 03:01 AM Lukah: there is no easy magic button/setting kind of thing.
It takes a lot more then "just" post-production.
We have an entire forum dedicated to this, click here to go there (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=34).
Read the threads and posts in that forum and you should have
an idea of what everyone is doing etc.
Jonathan Stanley August 20th, 2004, 10:48 AM Rob is right, this is a complicated issue. However, here are some things you can do to help. Start by adding pseudo-wide screen bars (use the clip plugin, top and bottom set to 13). Another easy way to play with the color is to use the plugins from Magic Bullet. You can download these for free from Canons website when you register your copy of premiere pro.
Another, less obvious way to improve your productions is to not neglect the audio. Bad audio is the number one mistake with amatuer video.
Hope that helps
Jonathan
Kaleem Maxwell August 20th, 2004, 08:44 PM Pitch?
Do you mean the music or voices sound higher (as in Chipmunk voice) or lower (as in Mr. Big) to each other.
Or do you mean volume, as in one clip is louder than the other?
I'm a bit confused here. Can you explain your problem in a bit more detail? Which clip has the problem when you play it in premiere? The mp3 or the sound you captured?
Lukah Sighs August 21st, 2004, 09:34 AM hi,
must sound as a rather stupid question for you die hard premiere pro users...but anyway, how can i make a splitscreen? on the left and the right side an image, seperated with black. there is no transparancy thing in pro like in 6.5.
thanx!
lukah
Steven Gotz August 21st, 2004, 08:46 PM There are a few ways to do this. One is using a garbage matte. But since you want a black line, I suggest that you use the crop effect on the top track.
Lukah Sighs August 22nd, 2004, 05:40 AM thanks for the info, but when i crop my image i've got only a part of it in the splitscreen. i would like to show 2 times the whole image...
Kin Kwan August 22nd, 2004, 12:45 PM Hi! I'm having problems exporting to DV AVI or AVI with Premiere Pro 1.5.
First Problem, Exporting to DV AVI:
When I export with the Microsoft DV AVI codec with Premiere Pro, the file plays fine with Windows Media Player, but TMPGEnc can't decode the file properly. (I'm only getting audio and no video) Now, if I put that same file into Adobe After Effects and export again with Microsoft DV AVI, TMPGEnc decodes it properly. (But I don't want to do this because 1) it takes more time and 2) that's another generation of compression which degrades quality.)
Second Problem, Exporting to HuffYUV:
When I export to HuffYUV, Windows Media Player and Virtual Dub doesn't decode the file properly. It seems like some frames aren't compressed correctly. I can use Adobe After Effects and export as HuffYUV with no problem, same settings and everything. I use HuffYUV version 2.2.0, I always convert to YUY2 and I have "Always suggest RGB format for output" and "Enable Full Size Output Buffer" selected.
Can anyone help me with my dilemma?
-KiN
Dan Euritt August 22nd, 2004, 12:54 PM what format was the footage in when you first brought it into premiere pro?
if it was from a dv camera, it wouldn't get compressed at all when exporting... except for the transitions, of course.
why are you using the huffy codec? and why use tmpgenc? the mainconcept mpeg encoder in premiere pro is xlnt.
Steven Gotz August 22nd, 2004, 12:59 PM Yes, that's true. But if you want the entire picture twice, side-by-side, it will be twice as wide as it is usually, or, half as tall.
If you want two copies of the same video, put one copy on one track, and another copy on the next higher track.
You can use the scale parameter of the Motion effect to make each one smaller, and the position parameter to make one on the left and one on the right.
Kin Kwan August 22nd, 2004, 01:35 PM Hey Dan, thanks for the quick reply.
Yes, the footage is brought in from a DV camcorder and I did do some color correction on the footage, hence the compression when exporting. The problem I have here is that I can't open the DV AVI file in TMPGEnc when exported from Premiere Pro, but I can open it in TMPGEnc when it's exported from After Effects. (Both compressed with the Microsoft DV codec)
The reason why I'm using TMPGEnc is because I've never exported a final copy of a project directly from Premiere. Premiere has the worst resizing/deinterlacing methods and other post processing filters. TMPGEnc has superior deinterlacing/resizing filters plus I've been using it for awhile and I'm use to encoding MPEG files this way :] *NOTE* I'm a new user to Premiere Pro, but I've used Premiere 5 and 6 for a long time and they were notorious for having bad post processing filters. If this has changed in Premiere Pro, please correct me!
I use the HuffYUV codec because, again, Premiere doesn't have good post processing filters. I use Virtual Dub and AviSynth to deinterlace/resize/denoise/etc my video before I compress it in DivX/Xvid/etc. HuffYUV is the best lossless compression out there (IMHO) and that's why I use it.
Hope that clears things up a bit.
-KiN
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