Luke McMillian
May 10th, 2006, 06:12 PM
Hey all,
After finding a good price on a rode videomic, I decided to pick one up because of great reviews of the sound comparing it to the Rode NTG2. So now I've played around with the video mic for a bit, and realized like many others that it is indeed very sensetive. I'm wondering if it's best to get a stero volume control from radio shack to adjust the sensetivity of the mic, or get a beacktek or similar adapter. I plan to use the video mic for the majority of it's use as a shotgun mic on a boom pole.
so I guess here are my choices
1. from the Pan gs400 mic input a stero volume control from radio shack, and plug that into either a 25 foot 3.5mm extension cable, or a couple rode videomic extension cables attached together because they are only 3m long, which i don't think is long enough for attach it to a boom pole. Is it acceptable to buy a bunch of rode extension cables and attach them together, or is it better buying something longer from radio shack?
I understand for production you need at least 25 feet for booming?
http://www.rodemicrophones.com/?pagename=Products&product=VC1
And then into the rode video mic wrapped around a rode boom pole, or something similar..not sure what to opt for. Also I've noticed there is no way to control the volume in the gs400 i get from my headphones, it's usually loud, I may opt for another volume control for headphones, so they';re not blasting in my ears or the sound persons. What do you guys think of that?
Not sure which set up is going to give me the most noise out of those cable choices.
Now my second choice is from a post I read on here where a gentleman said this
"It isn't necessarily true that you "get what you pay for" with these cables. They are all
shielded, and all are going to deliver about the same level of performance whether you buy
from the shack or from B&H. If I recall, you have the GS150.. unbalanced input..the best way
without question to pull long cable runs is using balanced cable, connectors, inputs and
outputs.. this means looking into something like the beachtek XLR adaptor, converting your
Rode to a balanced XLR connector at the end of its built in cable, and running the rest of
the distance over balanced line into the beachtek. Any 25' unbalanced cable is bound to pick
up noise and deliver it to your preamp. (in your case the mic input on the 150) This is why
I am so opposed to spending so much money on anything with "monster" in the name.. it's like
using 20 feet of concrete when 5 will do just fine.
By the way, you need more than just a 1/8" phone plug to 3 pin XLR to convert properly.. You
need a 1:1 isolation transformer somewhere in the line as well, between the unbalanced phone
plug and the balanced cable. Radio Shack sells these guys, and they are the only way to
properly interface unbalanced equipment with balanced. They allow the signal to pass
unmodified (not amplified or attenuated) from one side to the other while blocking RFI (the
noise induced on the cable from external sources)
The Rode VM's primary purpose is to be mounted on the shoe, and used with the supplied patch
cable. You'll note it's coiled. The length and number of coils is a deliberate engineering
technique to minimize noise induced on the cable. It is unbalanced gear and is not intended
to be used for long cable runs. That being said, a little creativity will help you around
this limitation.
Tim
So now I'm wondering if you could actaully get a balanced connection from that set up, or if you'd just be benefitting from using xlr cables, which have more shielding?
So It would go from Pan GS400 to beachtek http://www.beachtek.com/dxa4.html to xlr cable say 20 feet, into maybe the rode vxlr http://www.rodemicrophones.com/?pagename=Products&product=VXLR then going into video mic, on boom pole with dead cat.
(or instead of the beachtek maybe use that shure a96f that's supposed to be used for hooking up xlr cables to 3.5 mm camcorder inputs.)
Also as regards to lgain evels for having the videomic on the acessory shoe, where is the best place to have it at?
And when the video mic is used on a boom pole where is the best place to have the gain?
So basically I want to find out a couple things. How to adjust the high sensetivity of the video mic hooked up to the pana gs400 using either the stero volume control or beachtek or shure without getting additional noise, hiss etc.
I want to try and get enough extenstion cable to a boom pole and video mic without getting a noisey setup, using either the unbalanced lines, or the xlr set up if that actually decreases the noise and makes it balanced?
And finally to hopefully make this as a sticky for future videomic users who need to just find one spot for their answers.
Thanks all for your help in the past, and maybe you can help me out!
Luke
After finding a good price on a rode videomic, I decided to pick one up because of great reviews of the sound comparing it to the Rode NTG2. So now I've played around with the video mic for a bit, and realized like many others that it is indeed very sensetive. I'm wondering if it's best to get a stero volume control from radio shack to adjust the sensetivity of the mic, or get a beacktek or similar adapter. I plan to use the video mic for the majority of it's use as a shotgun mic on a boom pole.
so I guess here are my choices
1. from the Pan gs400 mic input a stero volume control from radio shack, and plug that into either a 25 foot 3.5mm extension cable, or a couple rode videomic extension cables attached together because they are only 3m long, which i don't think is long enough for attach it to a boom pole. Is it acceptable to buy a bunch of rode extension cables and attach them together, or is it better buying something longer from radio shack?
I understand for production you need at least 25 feet for booming?
http://www.rodemicrophones.com/?pagename=Products&product=VC1
And then into the rode video mic wrapped around a rode boom pole, or something similar..not sure what to opt for. Also I've noticed there is no way to control the volume in the gs400 i get from my headphones, it's usually loud, I may opt for another volume control for headphones, so they';re not blasting in my ears or the sound persons. What do you guys think of that?
Not sure which set up is going to give me the most noise out of those cable choices.
Now my second choice is from a post I read on here where a gentleman said this
"It isn't necessarily true that you "get what you pay for" with these cables. They are all
shielded, and all are going to deliver about the same level of performance whether you buy
from the shack or from B&H. If I recall, you have the GS150.. unbalanced input..the best way
without question to pull long cable runs is using balanced cable, connectors, inputs and
outputs.. this means looking into something like the beachtek XLR adaptor, converting your
Rode to a balanced XLR connector at the end of its built in cable, and running the rest of
the distance over balanced line into the beachtek. Any 25' unbalanced cable is bound to pick
up noise and deliver it to your preamp. (in your case the mic input on the 150) This is why
I am so opposed to spending so much money on anything with "monster" in the name.. it's like
using 20 feet of concrete when 5 will do just fine.
By the way, you need more than just a 1/8" phone plug to 3 pin XLR to convert properly.. You
need a 1:1 isolation transformer somewhere in the line as well, between the unbalanced phone
plug and the balanced cable. Radio Shack sells these guys, and they are the only way to
properly interface unbalanced equipment with balanced. They allow the signal to pass
unmodified (not amplified or attenuated) from one side to the other while blocking RFI (the
noise induced on the cable from external sources)
The Rode VM's primary purpose is to be mounted on the shoe, and used with the supplied patch
cable. You'll note it's coiled. The length and number of coils is a deliberate engineering
technique to minimize noise induced on the cable. It is unbalanced gear and is not intended
to be used for long cable runs. That being said, a little creativity will help you around
this limitation.
Tim
So now I'm wondering if you could actaully get a balanced connection from that set up, or if you'd just be benefitting from using xlr cables, which have more shielding?
So It would go from Pan GS400 to beachtek http://www.beachtek.com/dxa4.html to xlr cable say 20 feet, into maybe the rode vxlr http://www.rodemicrophones.com/?pagename=Products&product=VXLR then going into video mic, on boom pole with dead cat.
(or instead of the beachtek maybe use that shure a96f that's supposed to be used for hooking up xlr cables to 3.5 mm camcorder inputs.)
Also as regards to lgain evels for having the videomic on the acessory shoe, where is the best place to have it at?
And when the video mic is used on a boom pole where is the best place to have the gain?
So basically I want to find out a couple things. How to adjust the high sensetivity of the video mic hooked up to the pana gs400 using either the stero volume control or beachtek or shure without getting additional noise, hiss etc.
I want to try and get enough extenstion cable to a boom pole and video mic without getting a noisey setup, using either the unbalanced lines, or the xlr set up if that actually decreases the noise and makes it balanced?
And finally to hopefully make this as a sticky for future videomic users who need to just find one spot for their answers.
Thanks all for your help in the past, and maybe you can help me out!
Luke