I'm set to pickup an unused HD100A in the box from a fellow DVinfo-netter and have been reading posts all day- I've come up with a few questions that I haven't seen addressed elsewhere on this forum- if they have been- excuse the inquiry.

1. There's no mention of any sort of image stabilization- would I be correct in assuming there is none with the HD100's?
1a. Is it reasonably easy to get steady footage without a form of IS or OS using the stock lens? Tips?

2. Using FCP 5.0.3- is it possible to capture the other modes of HDV this camera shoots as I believe 24P (720) isn't supported in v.5.0.3- or are all the modes unsupported?

3. In macro mode- what's the minimum focusing distance? My son wants me to do some insect videography and I'd like to know if this is possible with the standard lens? Will I be able to zoom in in macro mode- will I get some sort of magnification?

4. Is there an adapter to allow the use of canon EOS type lenses? I've seen various scattered posts about a P+S Technic (sp?)- any available for EOS lenses? Links?

5. What is the battery life of the standard JVC included battery? Aftermarket versions~ links?

1) No Image Stablization
2) I think only 24p is not supported
3) 3 feet for normal operation
4) There is one available for Nikon
5) 40 minutes -

I have updated your questions in HD100 wiki - http://snipurl.com/HD100Wiki - but since i am new to Wiki, I donno how to add answers without messing up the formatting :)


I'm set to pickup an unused HD100A in the box from a fellow DVinfo-netter and have been reading posts all day- I've come up with a few questions that I haven't seen addressed elsewhere on this forum- if they have been- excuse the inquiry.

1. There's no mention of any sort of image stabilization- would I be correct in assuming there is none with the HD100's?
1a. Is it reasonably easy to get steady footage without a form of IS or OS using the stock lens? Tips?

2. Using FCP 5.0.3- is it possible to capture the other modes of HDV this camera shoots as I believe 24P (720) isn't supported in v.5.0.3- or are all the modes unsupported?

3. In macro mode- what's the minimum focusing distance? My son wants me to do some insect videography and I'd like to know if this is possible with the standard lens? Will I be able to zoom in in macro mode- will I get some sort of magnification?

4. Is there an adapter to allow the use of canon EOS type lenses? I've seen various scattered posts about a P+S Technic (sp?)- any available for EOS lenses? Links?

5. What is the battery life of the standard JVC included battery? Aftermarket versions~ links?

OK- knowing this:

Is the HD100A a hand-holdable camera- or is tripod use a must? I'll need to hand-hold for various reasons...

Does anyone at all make a Canon EOS type adapter? (I have some moderately high-end EOS type lenses and would like to use them)

At 3 feet macro-range- can I expect a magnification- can I zoom in at 3 feet to fill the frame with a "bee" if desired?

Can anyone verify if any of the HDV modes is editable on a Mac runing FCP 5.0.3? (I'd like HDV 24p but I'm pretty sure my version of FCP doesn't support it- anyone using FCP to edit the 24P HDV footage?)

One NEW question- how well does it perform in low light-? I know this is subjective- but how well does it compare to say an FX-1 of which I've owned and am somewhat familiar with.

Thank you all for the help- I need as many answers as possible to avoid buying a camera that isn't going to suit my needs.
(and I maybe buying it tonight!!!)

1a. Is it reasonably easy to get steady footage without a form of IS or OS using the stock lens? Tips?


I'm just going to address this... In general, the heavier a camera, the steadier the picture, because your little involuntary movements won't affect the camera as much. Best advice is the get the Anton Bauer battery pack upgrade and put a big honking battery on the back of it. It also shifts the center of gravity back toward your shoulder, which also helps.

EDIT: I don't think 3 feet is the minimum macro focus distance, I think that's the minimum regular focus distance. Even an insanely cheap lens should go closer than 3 feet with macro.

The more I investigate the more it seems the HD100 isn't the camera for me.

No IS/OS, no native support in FCP (24P HDV) and various other nits are killing the deal for me......it's a bit big anyways....... the FX1 is in the lead for me.

Thanks guys.

Enjoy the FX1

I just wish the FX1 had interchangeable lenses and was a 720p.

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. I don't have time to correct it all right now because my call time is in an hour, but I'll respond when I get back.

Tim

I just wish the FX1 had interchangeable lenses and was a 720p.

And 24P capture.

Tim, I'm eager to read the corrections......please post when possible- I want to make the right choice.

I have a few questions that might help you decide.

1. Why do you want to shoot in 24p?

2. Your signature already has FX1 listed in it yet you don't own one?

3. IS/OS - why? Do you want a consumer camera or a professional camera?


Let me answer my own questions.

1. Weather you can edit or not in 24p with your software package is really up to your software package. I can edit HD100 footage all day and night long on my PC using Cineform (which has announced will have FCP support soon). If you have a MAC, then there are other work arounds for now but FCP has announced they will support the HD100 files in the next release. Aside from workflow there are other reasons to use Cineform when editing, take a look at their multi-generation editing tests showing how much their codec stands up the HD editing, effects, etc.

Further if you really care about true 24p then why would even consider the FX1? It doesn't do Progressive period, and even its 24f hack which degrades your already poor interlaced footage is not so good. So in my opinion if you want 24 then the FX1 is not for you and in that case the 24p editing argument (even removing the solutions I've mentioned) is not a valid reason to discount the HD100.

2. It seems your mind is made up, and your trying to be convinced into buying something. My experience tells me that even if we "show you the light" regarding the HD100 if you bought it you would regret it because you have some type of affection for the FX1. It's hard to forget something your in love with.

3. No professional camera/lens package supports IS/OS. Why do you think that is? You should be able to get a very steady image with the HD100 due to its size, weight, shoulder pos, etc. You should also use a tripod, even with a camera that has IS/OS. When you are shooting a clean HD image, do you really want some electronics or optics trying to guess at what a stable image should look like? I've seen horrible results with IS/OS.

While on the subject of lenses, how will you change the lens on your FX1? Sure many of you will never change a lens anyway, but why not invest in something that can grow with you?

Don't buy a camera because of buzz words, specs, numbers, etc. Like I pointed out earlier about 24f on the FX1 - if you are going to use these types of things to decide on a camera then make sure you understand how they are actually implemented on the camera. Just because Sony puts the 24 number on the box/camera, doesn't mean it really is 24. In fact most reviews of the FX1/Z1 talk about how BAD their 24 support is.

Response:

I prefer 24p because of the look, as everyone else seems to like and the clean translation over to SD footage for standard DVD's. It's been noted all over various forums that source footage from 24P looks great when converted for DVD use.

My sig shows the FX1 because I did have one and sold it (to Meryem on this forum) and have forgotten to update it.

Just because "pro" ENG type cameras don't feature OS/IS doesn't mean it's not truly a great feature. It would have been a nice feature that could have been disabled by a switch as on many various other cameras. At the HD100's price point- many amatuers (like myself) are considering it and would benefit from a form of image stabilization.

As for FCP support- presently there's none and that's a BIG issue for me right now. I'm a Mac user and have spent allot of personal time learning FCP (since V1) and don't want to switch to a PC for an editing solution. What is NOT clear is wether or not FCP supports it's other non-24P hdv shooting modes- anyone know for sure?

As for my mind being made up- not a chance! My main reasons for considering the HD100 are:
1. Since I've owned an FX1 previously I'd like to try something new.

2. FCP slows quite a bit with the 1080i footage as compared to the speed I get with 720p footage from the HD10u (I've owned that as well)....I like progressive and would rather have a progressive HDV camera if at all possible.

3. Interchangeable lenses are a plus. I was hoping someone would have some sort of adapter for Canon EOS type lenses (like EF adapter for XL series) as I have several lenses from my Canon EOS Mark II N camera. This would be a real plus for me as I'd like to do a little macro videography as well as extreme telephoto for my occasional "hawk" videos. The FX1 can't be outfitted with telephoto type lenses and is limited to CU filters for macro use.

4. The HD100 just looks killer. That "pro" look should help it maintain some degree of resale value when reselling becomes a consideration.

Anyway I don't want to go on about my personal choices or reasons- but I did want to clarify my purchase intent.
I maybe meeting someone tonight about a new unit that has not been opened or used- my biggest gripes are the size of the HD100 and the lack of FCP support......this is why I scour these forums for hours reading everything I can.

Thank you to all whom helped and responded.
(I would like an answer to the current FCP5 support of the HD100's other HDV modes- can they be edited presently?)

If you're worried about size, I would'nt buy the HD100.
The HVX200 sounds more like the features you'll perfer.

Having said that, I own the HD100 and would not trade it for any other sub $10K camera.

Thanks everyone, I'll have to make do with another FX-1. It's not perfect in it's specs for my wants- but it seems to be the best choice for me personally. I'll likely buy a new Intel Mac tomorrow at B&H as well as I'll need some serious power, to handle the 1080i the FX1 outputs.

I remember awhile back converting some of the FX1's video to 720p with MpegStreamclip and was really impressed.....does anyone know of a good way to convert the 1080i to 720p?

I'll be at B&H early tomorrow for the FX1 and Mac.....thanks for all the replies- all very much appreciated.

Steve i was in your position 10 years ago, when i had to choose between high end prosumer, or full size pro at 4x the price. I chose pro and since then i cannot even touch pro-sumer stuff.
When you go pro,the more you spend the less you get. I never miss auto focus, stabilizers or any feature that does't give me better PQ and control over it. But for occasional shooters or secondary role prosumer is fine.
Good luck with your decision and happy (profitable) shooting.
My HD100 is back on classifieds.

Thanks Chris, I definitely understand your statement.

Chris is the fellow whom I was going to buy the new in box HD100A from....his price is very good and anyone looking to buy one should contact him- he's in NY!

(He's a standup guy as well and even agreed with me about my concerns of the HD100 and the FX1 and thought the FX1 was better for my purposes- no hint of dissatisfaction of my backing out of the possible sale- he get's thumbs up from me!)

I'm in Chris Basmas's spot. I started out on pro gear from day one having never touched consumer or prosumer gear, and only lately have I started shooting video on prosumer gear like the XL1. When you move between pro and consumer gear you start to find that all of the features that consumer gear gives you to "help" like autofocus, image stabilization and auto exposure are really just getting in your way. In the end they can give a poor videographer acceptable video, but will drag great videography down into mediocrity. The HD100 is the only piece of consumer gear that I would even consider using because it's designed like a piece of professional equipment even at a consumer pricepoint.

Steve,

Have a look at some of the footage on my site, www.vidprostudios.com ... all shot hand held/on the shoulder.... most of which is fast moving sports ... in some very challenging (uncontrollable) lighting situations, almost all footage shot in 30p.
The most recent skateboarding shots "Hastings" are the most dynamic and a good demo of what can be done without a tripod, completely manual settings, manual zoom handle etc ...
I run with the A/B set up which, as stated previously in this thread provides excellent and neccessary balance as well as power for many hours.
My suggestion is; If you are really not sure, rent the camera for a weekend and see what it can do for you. I would also suggest that you rent the camera already prepared with the knowledge of all the recommended camera settings etc ... (see Paola's V3 settings in the scene files sticky thread)
Best of luck
cheers
Pete

PS: When shoulder mounted, I shoot with the viewfinder extended out to my left eye. This has made a much steadier camera for me ...

It's good to hear that IS isn't really necessary on shoulder-mount cameras. I just got back from a camping trip & I took my FX1 to shoot some HD video at the beach (the Lake Michigan coastline is a beautiful place). Anyway, I was shooting a lot of things at full telephoto & was considering how it might look without IS. I tried turning it off & it became very shaky and consumer camera-like. Naturally this is because of it's smaller size & the fact that it's not steadied by more weight & resting on my shoulder. I was interested to see how the HD-100 would handle in the same situation as I'm getting one fairly soon.

The FX1 is a great camera for many reasons. I'm glad I'll have it in my arsenal for when I need it. I only wish it were a bit more versitle in rendering highlights & shadows, but the Z1U goes a little farther down that road. Looking forward to the quality of the HD100.

Great points, but for now the FX1 is going to be the camera for me...I'm also buying a new Intel Mac to edit the HDV files as my dual 2.5G5 really isn't happy with 1080i footage (although it does well with 720p).....so today is gonna be a costly day for me.

Thanks for all the remarks and support guys- this is a great online community.

Off to B&H in a few hours......