View Full Version : Original Star Wars to be released


Marco Leavitt
May 4th, 2006, 12:38 PM
Thank God. I've been eyeing those bootlegs on eBay.

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1530180/05042006/story.jhtml

Cole McDonald
May 4th, 2006, 01:06 PM
This is the only series I love that I haven't let them double dip me on! Big fan, but I hated the little structural changes to the stories. Now I have to go vote with my $$$ to let Mr. Lucas know this was a good decision.

Marco Leavitt
May 4th, 2006, 01:09 PM
Yeah, maybe not a big deal in the world scope of things, but, I hate — HATE — the revised versions. I can't wait for this.

Marvin Emms
May 6th, 2006, 09:56 AM
I also hate the changes, and I grew up with the original so as with a lot of people, these felt like a personal attack.

Does this seem to anyone else like a day late and a dollar short though?

Assuming a 2.35:1 release in anamorphic NTSC resolution, this would only have about 360 lines. With HDTV having a sizable foothold allready, HD-DVD having arrived, just, Blu Ray being round the corner could Lucas not have given us the original in HiDef?

Maybe this is his point, he does not want the original version making a lasting impression on anyone and of all the times he could have released, 2.35:1 on DVD will age the fastest right now.

Cole McDonald
May 6th, 2006, 11:44 AM
...2.35:1 on DVD will age the fastest right now.

Making it way easier to re-release the whole thing for the 10th time once HD DVD becomes more common...this guy knows how to make money off of us.

John C. Chu
May 6th, 2006, 02:23 PM
I'm hoping that it will make an appearance on either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray this year.

Let me count how many times I have purchased "The Empire Strikes Back" as an example.

The first time I got "Empire" was a really hi-quality internal promotional copy unauthorized/"bootleg" VHS copy almost 2 years before it came to home video.[Yes, it was illegal, but I was the only kid on the block with it]

The next time I purchased The Empire Strikes Back was on VHS for like $24.95

When I got my first LaserDisc player back in the late eighties, I paid $69.95 for each the first CBS/Fox widescreen versions.[That's almost two hundred bucks!]

Then about six years later, the new remastered versions came out for $44.95 each on LaserDisc [Which I also purchased].

I never did buy the ones on DVD, because they were the special editions--but if they do come out in some flavor of high-def, I'm definitely going to drop even more bucks.

Damn! George Lucas is a genius!

Marvin Emms
May 6th, 2006, 05:40 PM
Cole, assuming what he wants to do is make money from films.

I'm extremely surprised its happening at all as what Lucas seems to want to do is reedit history to make him look like a better filmmaker with more easily digestable morals to the toy buying public.

I'd say 'If I hear "Collect them all you can" one more time I'll kill someone' but the truth is, these Lucas franchised adverts are on several times a day selling everything from Darth Vader/Spaceship transformers to fast food.

Joe Carney
May 6th, 2006, 11:17 PM
I got ahold of some bootleg DVDs that were obviously copied from VHS. So now the official releases are offering both the original and enhanced versions, so you can take your pick. I'm looking forward to this.

Milking us for all it's worth. hehehe

Kelly Goden
June 9th, 2006, 09:36 PM
:)

http://www.devilducky.com/media/45466/

Dylan Couper
June 10th, 2006, 01:04 AM
:)

http://www.devilducky.com/media/45466/

AWESOME!

I like the ring tone from '24'.

Tim Goldman
June 10th, 2006, 07:29 AM
Yeah, btu I think the originals that are being released are ether based off the laserdisc print, or matted wrong or something.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa121.html#fr
more here

John C. Chu
June 10th, 2006, 08:03 AM
Yeah, btu I think the originals that are being released are ether based off the laserdisc print, or matted wrong or something.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa121.html#fr
more here


The laserdisc remasters of the first three films are very nice.

The clean up they performed was to remove things like matte lines around the Millenium Falcon in the asteroid scene.

Unfortunately, what will ticks me off of the new announcement, is that they are *NOT* going to release the originals in anamorphic widescreen DVD...just regular old letterboxed! Which means widescreen HDTV owners are not going to be happy.

Tim Goldman
June 10th, 2006, 09:38 AM
While they do look nice, their lower resolution then dvd, but better then VHS. This just reinforces the idea that the consumer is being milked for every last cent they have. While george may not be personaly in charge of this release, his name is the one the dvd's are connected with, and he has exclusive rights to the prints (the only this is being released is cause of fans). While I enjoy the first 2 and 1/2 films, I don't expect I will lay out money for these.

Philip Williams
June 10th, 2006, 12:54 PM
Wow, I just now noticed this thread and had no clue the original editions were being released. Being the Star Wars geek that I am, I was quite excited. What an anti-climax I experienced when I read on to discover that these aren't going to be anamorphic.

I don't know... I suppose its more convenient than flipping the laser discs, but that's about the only selling point here. 1993 video quality packaged with 1997 convenience.

Obviously this would have been a good time to master these films in HD for the DVD release in Sep and an HD release in 2007 to coincide with the 30th anniversary.

www.philipwilliams.com

Rob Gregory-Browne
June 23rd, 2006, 12:25 AM
I also hate the changes, and I grew up with the original so as with a lot of people, these felt like a personal attack.
I could never understand why anyone cared. We get director's cuts of movies all the time. Writers update their books. Lucas does it and everybody freaks.

Makes no sense to me.

The only good Star Wars movie was Empire anyway.

Marco Leavitt
June 23rd, 2006, 08:12 AM
Director's cuts usually come very close to the original movie and maintain the integrity of the look and feeling of the original film. It can also be a way to get around the censors who limit what we are allowed to see in theaters. What Lucas did was clumsily dump updated technology on top of the original analog effects, drastically changing the look, and even some of the content of the scenes. This is a movie that is so closely tied to popular culture (and in my case, my own childhood) that the overall effect just stinks. I realize that in the end, it's just a movie, but at the same time it's one of the few pieces of art in our country that has had a near universal impact. It's really a shame that Lucas doesn't seem to respect that. Few filmmakers ever get the chance.

Rob Gregory-Browne
June 23rd, 2006, 08:46 AM
Director's cuts usually come very close to the original movie and maintain the integrity of the look and feeling of the original film. It can also be a way to get around the censors who limit what we are allowed to see in theaters. What Lucas did was clumsily dump updated technology on top of the original analog effects, drastically changing the look, and even some of the content of the scenes. This is a movie that is so closely tied to popular culture (and in my case, my own childhood) that the overall effect just stinks. I realize that in the end, it's just a movie, but at the same time it's one of the few pieces of art in our country that has had a near universal impact. It's really a shame that Lucas doesn't seem to respect that. Few filmmakers ever get the chance.First off, director's cuts are sometimes quite different from the version released in theaters. I've seen some that included extended scenes, changes in editing, characters that didn't exist before.

Second, since it WAS Lucas's movie, his own original creative vision, I think WE should respect his desire to improve what he thought imperfect.

I saw the original Star Wars at Grauman's Chinese Theater in L.A. the day it opened. I bought the original video tapes. When Lucas did his update, I watched it and, frankly, couldn't see what all the fuss was about. Hans Solo is a bit less of a mercenary brute and the special effects were more spectacular.

We could argue the Hans Solo bit, but overall, the new version WAS an improvement. Lucas owes nothing to his fans. He didn't ask them to become obsessed with the movie. He made what he thought would be a popcorn sci-fi serial that nobody would see and it just happened to catch on.

Boyd Ostroff
June 23rd, 2006, 08:59 AM
This topic has really been beaten to death here and elsewhere. We all have our own opinions and never the twain shall meet. Personally, I'm in Marco's corner on this one. I don't dispute Lucas' right to do whatever he wants with his property, but it just saddens me that he doesn't seem to "get it." I saw the original Star Wars in a theatre on the day it was released and sat through a second showing immediately afterwards. It made a lasting impression on me.

I'm sure I qualify as the last person on earth to watch the latest excuse for a Star Wars film - Episode 3. Picked up a copy a few days ago and started to watch it last night. After 3 minutes I was ready to give up, but hung in there for another half hour. I guess I'll get around to watching the rest of it later. I felt like I was watching a computer animation festival. I do 3d modeling and computer animation myself, and am really impressed with what they acheived here, but along with shooting the live action on video, it gives the film a comic book appearance that I find unappealing. It certainly isn't even the same genre as the original movie.

Really, all the sequels have been mediocre at best IMHO. The early ones are pretty much like what I'd expect from Hollywood sequels, but I really dislike the more recent ones. Bad writing, bad acting, excessive special effects/CGI. They seem to be targeted to kids. And they follow the theory that if it looks cool to blow up a spaceship, then blowing up 100 spaceships will look 100x cooler.

I know that some people like these movies, and that's fine; they just aren't for me. Lucas' earlier works were brilliant. These newer ones are just typical of the stuff Hollywood cranks out every day, and Lucas comes off as pompous and complacent in all the interviews I've seen. Too bad he didn't quit while he was ahead. However, I will give him credit for breaking new ground with digital production and that's something which will ultimately benefit the whole industry.

Rob Gregory-Browne
June 23rd, 2006, 10:53 AM
I think the new films have flashes of excellence -- like the Yoda fighting scene -- but are otherwise pretty bland.

Kelly Goden
June 23rd, 2006, 10:58 AM
Lots of filmmakers release director cuts, but Lucas is the only one who puts the original versions into deep freeze(until now-laser discs are better than nothing). It would make sense if there was a shred of proof that Lucas is a perfectionist but he is not. Not at all. He didnt even care that Yoda looked like Archie Bunker in the Phantom Menace. lol In fact, it is remarkable how indifferent he is to contunuity, storytelling logic etc. That is what makes his special editions all the more bizarre.

I give him kudos for his imagination--but it only works when filtered through collaborators..Spielberg, or Gary Kurtz etc. to make it comprehensible as a story. So he isnt like a painter-as he likes to compare himself to-unless you count all the artists and people who contribute to the vision as mere paint brushes.

He does listen to some critical response though. He had said JarJar would be prominent in all three prequels and he changed it.


I finally watched Revenge of the Sith last week. There are a few fleeting moments near the end where you almost felt you were watching a real movie--where the characters were talking to each other and seemed to have some emotional/dramatic investment but it only lasted a few seconds(i read that Francis Ford Coppola suggested Lucas get a dialogue coach since he was "so busy" with all the other aspects of the film--I guess sitting in front of an HD screen with 10 assistants can be draining). Otherwise the movie is no better than the previous two. They contribute nothing to the Star Wars movies. They should have remained a back story. If Lucas had tried to have continuity, then we couldnt have seen Yoda until ESB, we couldnt have known that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were the same people, Obi Wan Kenobi would have been "General Kenobi" etc.

Anyway--I would argue the legacy of the original films comes down to using A budget technology towards a b grade serial adventure story. The prequels do not have the same tone/style, a jarring contrast. Bit even as a slow political drama, the substance isnt there. And the fx sequences just dont have the sense of excitement. This may be partly due to the novelty wearing off(there is so much competition from other digital fx movies these days) but it isnt the only reason.

Tim Goldman
July 27th, 2006, 03:54 PM
I just saw this over at thedigitalbits.com, it's alitle something about the up comeing starwars dvd's...hehehe
" By the way, I've learned that our very own Russell Hammond was at the Star Wars panel at Comic-Con on Friday, and his reaction was much like the others we've heard who saw the DVD clips. Apparently, Lucasfilm went to a lot of trouble to first show a doctored clip (supposedly from the DVDs) designed to look deliberately bad - something that they'd spent money to actually create! - in order to make light of the criticisms we at The Bits and MANY others have leveled on the forthcoming DVDs' quality shortcomings, and in order to make the actual DVD clips look somewhat better by comparison. In fact, Russell says that Sansweet's comments (that we posted earlier) were made right before showing the deliberately bad looking clips, as a way of playing up the joke. THEN he played the actual clips from the DVDs, and according to Russell, "It looked like crap too!" (Russell's exact words, spoken in an outraged tone to me this morning over the phone.) In other words, it looked exactly like we figured it would... soft, washed out, lacking in contrast and detail, etc... exactly what you'd expect from 15-year-old, non-anamorphic laserdisc transfers gussied up for DVD and blown up on a big screen. I'd like to refer you all to a lengthy post we made here at The Bits in May, which remains our definitive statement on this issue. In it, we point-for-point refute every single argument that Lucasfilm has made as to why this is the "best they can do." It was written by myself, along with our own Robert A. Harris, who is one of the foremost film restoration experts in the industry. I think you'll find it interesting reading, and we stand by it 100%. By the way, you'll find more fan complaints about the new DVDs here at OriginalTrilogy.com and a funny bit here at MSNBC."

check out the thedigitalbits.com , prettty cool site