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Shawn Kessler May 2nd, 2006, 06:59 PM Ive got a question for all you out there using the DRHD 100 for the GYHD 100
camera. How do all of you import the fortage youve just shot into final cut
pro 5. After I download the files from the DRHD to my mac then try to
import them in i get a wrong file error. help anyone!
Shawn Kessler May 2nd, 2006, 07:00 PM Also i forgot to mention the files are MT2 hdv 720p 30 thanks for anyone who can help.
Travis Surovcik May 8th, 2006, 01:12 PM From what I understand, Focus Enhancements is working on a software update for the DR-HD100 to save your files in Quicktime format so that they can be imported properly into FCP. They are expecting it to be out sometime this month and it will be available for download on their webpage. If I hear anything more, I'll keep you posted.
Travis Surovcik May 11th, 2006, 07:05 AM In the meantime, while the update is being worked on, you might want to check out this converter utility called MPEG Streamclip by Squared 5. A free download at http://www.squared5.com/svideo/mpeg-streamclip-mac.html. It works remarkably well and is a good solution until the update is released.
Shawn Kessler May 20th, 2006, 04:17 AM thanks travis yes I already use streamclip it does work well. But still cant
wait till the update comes out. Im tired of converting everything. thats
why i bought the DRhd 100 to avoid this. oh well at least it wil be fixed soon
thanks again shawn
Digital Film Pictures
Matt McEwen May 20th, 2006, 10:50 AM The QuickTime update is close. We expect to have it ready in the next month or so.
Sorry for the wait...
Matt McEwen
Travis Surovcik May 25th, 2006, 07:20 AM Matt, that update you're speaking about, is that for the DR-HD100 or is that for all of the drives? Also are there any other fixes or tweaks that are going to be included in that update?
Steve Benner May 30th, 2006, 04:44 AM Matt, that update you're speaking about, is that for the DR-HD100 or is that for all of the drives? Also are there any other fixes or tweaks that are going to be included in that update?
I emailed them last week as I am thinking about getting one, and they also stated that a 720/24P .MOV was in the works as well.
I have a quick question:
If shooting with the HD100 in SD 24PA and setting the DRHD100 to Quicktime 24, will that save files with the pulldown already removed?
Matt McEwen May 30th, 2006, 11:40 AM Hi,
The QuickTime update is only for FS-4Pro HD, FS-C and DR-HD100. It will not be available for FS-4 HD. If you currently own an FS-4Pro, it will be possible to update to the HD version (including QuickTime).
Hope that helps,
Matt McEwen
Steve Benner May 30th, 2006, 03:29 PM Hi,
The QuickTime update is only for FS-4Pro HD, FS-C and DR-HD100. It will not be available for FS-4 HD. If you currently own an FS-4Pro, it will be possible to update to the HD version (including QuickTime).
Hope that helps,
Matt McEwen
Can you answer my question above about the Quicktime 24?
Matt McEwen June 1st, 2006, 10:08 AM Hi Steve,
To my knowledge, Final Cut does not support native HDV 720p/24 yet. If and when Apple adds 720p/24 support natively we will most likely support it.
Hope that helps,
Matt McEwen
Matt McEwen June 1st, 2006, 10:10 AM Sorry...read your question again. Yes, if you shoot in QuickTime 24p mode (SD), the file will appear as a 23.98 clip to Final Cut.
Matt McEwen
Steve Benner June 14th, 2006, 03:38 PM Hi Steve,
To my knowledge, Final Cut does not support native HDV 720p/24 yet. If and when Apple adds 720p/24 support natively we will most likely support it.
Hope that helps,
Matt McEwen
At NAB, Apple had a version of Final Cut Pro that captured the 720/24P from the JVC which is expected as a "Imminent Release" so that is good news.
Any update on when the .MOV Wrapper for 720/30P is coming out?
Matt McEwen June 14th, 2006, 03:54 PM Yes, I did see the version of FCP supporting 720/24p. Hopefully it will be shipping soon. DR-HD100/FS-4Pro HD QuickTime HDV support is expected by the end of this month.
Hope that helps,
Matt McEwen
Steve Benner June 14th, 2006, 05:18 PM Yes, I did see the version of FCP supporting 720/24p. Hopefully it will be shipping soon. DR-HD100/FS-4Pro HD QuickTime HDV support is expected by the end of this month.
Hope that helps,
Matt McEwen
YES IT DOES! I was considering selling the HD100 for a HVX, because of no real Direct-To-Edit in HD yet, but this confirmation is good news. Thanks.
One more quick question that I want to confirm...If I buy one now, I will be eligable for an upgrade correct? None of this having to buy a new model or anything right?
Carl Martin June 16th, 2006, 07:35 AM YES IT DOES! I was considering selling the HD100 for a HVX, because of no real Direct-To-Edit in HD yet, but this confirmation is good news. Thanks.
One more quick question that I want to confirm...If I buy one now, I will be eligable for an upgrade correct? None of this having to buy a new model or anything right?
I was told the upgrade would cost $39.00
Matt McEwen June 16th, 2006, 11:00 AM Yes, if you buy a unit now (FS-4Pro HD or DR-HD100...but if you own a GY-HD100, definitely get the DR-HD), you will be able to get the QuickTime HDV upgrade for $39.
Hope that helps,
Matt
Steve Benner June 16th, 2006, 01:57 PM Yes, if you buy a unit now (FS-4Pro HD or DR-HD100...but if you own a GY-HD100, definitely get the DR-HD), you will be able to get the QuickTime HDV upgrade for $39.
Hope that helps,
Matt
That's completely fair, I was afraid of having to buy a whole new unit...Glad to hear that! I am looking to buy a DR-HD100 Soon.
I heard the update came out last night, is that true?
I understand that it will take some time to develop the 720/24P HDV .MOV format since Apple hasn't released it yet. When they do, while waiting for Focus to construct a wrapper, can the DR-HD100 act as a Firewire Device so that it can playback the clips so FCP can capture them?
Matt McEwen June 19th, 2006, 10:55 AM Hi,
The QuickTime HDV update has not come out yet. I am curious where you heard that.
Regarding 720/24p support and being able to capture the format to FCP, we'll know more I assume when Apple releases the software. It is hard to answer this without doing any tests.
Hope that helps,
Matt
Steve Benner June 19th, 2006, 11:55 AM Hi,
The QuickTime HDV update has not come out yet. I am curious where you heard that.
Regarding 720/24p support and being able to capture the format to FCP, we'll know more I assume when Apple releases the software. It is hard to answer this without doing any tests.
Hope that helps,
Matt
Someone else on the Forum Said they heard it was out...forgot who
Well even like now can it act as a firewire device in 720/30P?
Matt McEwen June 19th, 2006, 12:13 PM Yes, it is currently possible to capture 720p/30 to Final Cut. 720p/24 may be a different situation, we just don't know yet.
Matt
Steve Benner June 19th, 2006, 12:19 PM Yes, it is currently possible to capture 720p/30 to Final Cut. 720p/24 may be a different situation, we just don't know yet.
Matt
Thanks Matt.
Carl Martin June 19th, 2006, 04:46 PM Thanks Matt.
I was the one that mentioned it, because I was told by Focus Tech support that an upgrade for $39.00 was suppose to be releesed last Friday, according to the tech. My question was, I cannot capture 720/30P into Final cut HD express, and he said this update would allow it.
Carl
Matt McEwen June 19th, 2006, 06:04 PM Sorry you were given the wrong information. The release was delayed a couple of weeks, so this may have been how tech support had the wrong info.
BTW, I don't believe that Final Cut Express supports native HDV (what you will require to use the new QuickTime update). It only works with HDV cameras using the AIC. You will require Final Cut Pro.
Hope that helps,
Matt
Steve Benner June 19th, 2006, 07:58 PM Just ordered my DR-HD100! Should have it by Friday, and I am very excited. Matt, I have a Anton Bauer Battery System. Where can I get the cable so that it is powered by the Anton Bauer Battery. Also, on Focusinfo.com, the offical store has only extra batteries for the DR-HD100, but no Hot Shoe Mount Package. Will the FS-4 package work with it?
Also, should I get the kit with the High Cap Cradle or the regular mount kit?
Carl Martin June 20th, 2006, 06:06 AM Sorry you were given the wrong information. The release was delayed a couple of weeks, so this may have been how tech support had the wrong info.
BTW, I don't believe that Final Cut Express supports native HDV (what you will require to use the new QuickTime update). It only works with HDV cameras using the AIC. You will require Final Cut Pro.
Hope that helps,
Matt
Matt,
I believe FC HD Express does support native HDV. I am able to capture 720/30P from tape.
When I try to capture from the DR-HD100 a window pops up saying quicktime does not support.
Thanks,
Carl
Matt McEwen June 20th, 2006, 11:23 AM It was my understanding that Final Cut Express HD is able to capture HDV clips, but only in the Apple Intermediate Codec (about 80Mb/s). I thought only Final Cut Pro allows for native HDV (MPEG2 Long GOP) editing in the timeline (which is what our up coming QuickTime HDV support format is). Maybe I am wrong though.
Matt
Steve Benner June 20th, 2006, 03:31 PM It was my understanding that Final Cut Express HD is able to capture HDV clips, but only in the Apple Intermediate Codec (about 80Mb/s). I thought only Final Cut Pro allows for native HDV (MPEG2 Long GOP) editing in the timeline (which is what our up coming QuickTime HDV support format is). Maybe I am wrong though.
Matt
I thought that was true also...Carl, you can check by looking at the Sequence Settings (Command 0). If it says that the compressor is AIC, then it is the AIC codec, not Native HDV.
Matt, which Hot Shoe Mount System fits the DR-HD100 that is on your website?
Carl Martin June 20th, 2006, 05:42 PM I thought that was true also...Carl, you can check by looking at the Sequence Settings (Command 0). If it says that the compressor is AIC, then it is the AIC codec, not Native HDV.
Matt, which Hot Shoe Mount System fits the DR-HD100 that is on your website?
It does not say anything under sequence settings,(command 0) I do notice that when I choose a setting under easy set-up and sellect from the list, HDV 720/30P, it says under that Setup for: (HDV-Apple intermediate codec 720p30). Does this mean I cannot use the DR-HD100 even when it has the update?
Thanks,
Carl
Steve Benner June 20th, 2006, 05:49 PM It does not say anything under sequence settings,(command 0) I do notice that when I choose a setting under easy set-up and sellect from the list, HDV 720/30P, it says under that Setup for: (HDV-Apple intermediate codec 720p30). Does this mean I cannot use the DR-HD100 even when it has the update?
Thanks,
Carl
I think you can not use it because FCE transcodes the HDV to the AIC format which is INTRA frame. FCP can do this plus edit Native HDV across the GOP.
Carl Martin June 20th, 2006, 05:53 PM I think you can not use it because FCE transcodes the HDV to the AIC format which is INTRA frame. FCP can do this plus edit Native HDV across the GOP.
Wow! That sucks. Now I have to buy FCP? or sell my DR-HD100.
Are you pretty sure Steve? Even when Focus come out with the update?
Thanks,
Carl
Tom Chaney June 20th, 2006, 07:10 PM Hi Matt,
Can you please explain how we will upgrade the drives?
Will we download the upgrade and then connect the drive?
I own the 40 gig version and we are very excited about this upgrade.
Thank you for such a cool tool.
Tom
www.tomchaney.com
Steve Benner June 20th, 2006, 08:09 PM Wow! That sucks. Now I have to buy FCP? or sell my DR-HD100.
Are you pretty sure Steve? Even when Focus come out with the update?
Thanks,
Carl
Here is what I know about HDV/AIC.
HDV is what the JVC shoots. JVC uses HDV 1 (720P) which is recorded to tape as a 6-GOP. Each 6 frames contains only 1 full frame called an "I" frame. The next 5 are made up of B and P frames that are based on the information of the surrounding frames.
The Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC) transcodes each of these GOP's into 6 independent frames. This is why HDV takes up less space than AIC. This can cause lag in real time capture because it takes a lot of processing power to transcode the HDV to AIC on the fly. The Firestore drive does not have the power to do this.
HDV on the otherhand is easy to capture, but when editing requires more processing power because the GOP structure gets damaged and needs to be reinterpreted. Without a VERY fast computer even dissolves may need to be rendered for real time playback.
FCE can only do the AIC. FCP is able to do this and edit the HDV Natively in its GOP form, but it needs a Quicktime wrapper (hence the update) since it cannot read a pure .m2t file.
I owned Final Cut Express HD and did this. It came with Soundtrack. I bought the Soundtrack Pro upgrade ($100, though it may be hard to find now) and then sent in the disc with $200 and got the entire Final Cut Studio from Apple. One of the best purchases of my life. You can also do this with Motion 2 and DVD Studio 4. They may be hard to find, but in the long run will be cheaper than paying for the studio in full.
Also, one of the best things about the JVC HD-100 is that it does 720/24P. While I am not sure you use it or not, but FCE DOES NOT support 24 Frame editing. Also, to get the "Soon to be released 720/24P HDV Support" FCP release from Apple, you are going to have to have a Crossgraded version.
I hope I helped you understand the whole thing. Good luck man. I just ordered the DR-HD100, and I am a big fan of Direct-To-Edit. I wouldn't part with it so soon. You are better off trying to get Final Cut Pro/Studio.
Matt McEwen June 20th, 2006, 08:49 PM Thanks for the great explanation Steve.
To address Tom's question, you will be able to order the QuickTime update from the Focus webstore ($39). You will be sent a CD with the new version and the new manual. To update, simply copy the .bin file which will be on the CD to your DR-HD100 and run the OS Update function in the DR-HD100 SETUP menu. After a reboot, the new software will be loaded.
Hope that helps,
Matt
Steve Benner June 21st, 2006, 04:14 AM Thanks for the great explanation Steve.
To address Tom's question, you will be able to order the QuickTime update from the Focus webstore ($39). You will be sent a CD with the new version and the new manual. To update, simply copy the .bin file which will be on the CD to your DR-HD100 and run the OS Update function in the DR-HD100 SETUP menu. After a reboot, the new software will be loaded.
Hope that helps,
Matt
Thanks for the explanation...I will have to run it as well...
Can you canswer my question about the Camera Mount Kits? I'll write it again here:
There are none listed under the DR-HD100 Accesories on the Focusinfo Webstore Page. So I figure it is the same Cam Mount Kit as the FS-4. First, is that correct? Second, should I get the High Cap Kit or the Regular or does that depend on which Li-Ion Battery I plan on using?
Tom Chaney June 21st, 2006, 04:29 AM Steve,
I called Focus Enhancements and they talked me through ordering the camera mounting kit listed for the FS4, it works.
And for the record, it was really only a manfrotto hot shoe attachment that made it work. I would bet you can order the hot shoe attachment somewhere else for less money.
Matt, Thank you for answering my question.
Tom
www.tomchaney.com
Carl Martin June 21st, 2006, 05:04 AM Here is what I know about HDV/AIC.
HDV is what the JVC shoots. JVC uses HDV 1 (720P) which is recorded to tape as a 6-GOP. Each 6 frames contains only 1 full frame called an "I" frame. The next 5 are made up of B and P frames that are based on the information of the surrounding frames.
The Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC) transcodes each of these GOP's into 6 independent frames. This is why HDV takes up less space than AIC. This can cause lag in real time capture because it takes a lot of processing power to transcode the HDV to AIC on the fly. The Firestore drive does not have the power to do this.
HDV on the otherhand is easy to capture, but when editing requires more processing power because the GOP structure gets damaged and needs to be reinterpreted. Without a VERY fast computer even dissolves may need to be rendered for real time playback.
FCE can only do the AIC. FCP is able to do this and edit the HDV Natively in its GOP form, but it needs a Quicktime wrapper (hence the update) since it cannot read a pure .m2t file.
I owned Final Cut Express HD and did this. It came with Soundtrack. I bought the Soundtrack Pro upgrade ($100, though it may be hard to find now) and then sent in the disc with $200 and got the entire Final Cut Studio from Apple. One of the best purchases of my life. You can also do this with Motion 2 and DVD Studio 4. They may be hard to find, but in the long run will be cheaper than paying for the studio in full.
Also, one of the best things about the JVC HD-100 is that it does 720/24P. While I am not sure you use it or not, but FCE DOES NOT support 24 Frame editing. Also, to get the "Soon to be released 720/24P HDV Support" FCP release from Apple, you are going to have to have a Crossgraded version.
I hope I helped you understand the whole thing. Good luck man. I just ordered the DR-HD100, and I am a big fan of Direct-To-Edit. I wouldn't part with it so soon. You are better off trying to get Final Cut Pro/Studio.
Thanks Steve, you did help me to understand.
Carl
Jaadgy Akanni June 21st, 2006, 10:31 AM Here I go again. For GODSSAKES someone please answer me this: Is it possible to import 24p HDV (.M2T) files into AVID EXPRESS PRO HD? I've tried it so many times to no avail. I keep getting the friggin' "not compatible MPG file" error. Somebody tell me, what's up with this SHHH... how can I import .M2T files into Avid Xpress Pro HD? Is it not possible? Should I be recording my 24p footage in a different format? Thank you.
Steve Benner June 21st, 2006, 11:26 AM Here I go again. For GODSSAKES someone please answer me this: Is it possible to import 24p HDV (.M2T) files into AVID EXPRESS PRO HD? I've tried it so many times to no avail. I keep getting the friggin' "not compatible MPG file" error. Somebody tell me, what's up with this SHHH... how can I import .M2T files into Avid Xpress Pro HD? Is it not possible? Should I be recording my 24p footage in a different format? Thank you.
720/24P HDV IS NOT SUPPORTED by Avid Xpress Pro, nor will it be supported with the 5.5 update. Hopefully one day they will.
Jaadgy Akanni June 21st, 2006, 02:04 PM 720/24P HDV IS NOT SUPPORTED by Avid Xpress Pro, nor will it be supported with the 5.5 update. Hopefully one day they will.
Steve, or anyone out there, what is the solution to this dilemma, what's the workaround? How do I Edit my 24p footage in Avid Xpress Pro HD? I heard someone mention something about converting my .M2T files. Someone please respond. Thanks
Steve Benner June 21st, 2006, 04:36 PM Steve, or anyone out there, what is the solution to this dilemma, what's the workaround? How do I Edit my 24p footage in Avid Xpress Pro HD? I heard someone mention something about converting my .M2T files. Someone please respond. Thanks
Using a program like MPEG STREAMCLIP, you can convert the .m2t files to DVCPRO HD 720/24P. They should then be able to be imported into Avid.
Steve Benner July 13th, 2006, 12:19 PM Matt, any news about the HDV - .MOV Quicktime Wrapper?
Matt McEwen July 13th, 2006, 01:38 PM It is in test. Hoping before the end of the month.
I will post when it is available.
Matt
Steve Benner July 13th, 2006, 05:56 PM It is in test. Hoping before the end of the month.
I will post when it is available.
Matt
Thank you!
Carl Martin August 11th, 2006, 11:26 AM Any idea on when an update will be released, so I can edit m2t on my mac pro?
Matt McEwen August 11th, 2006, 11:51 AM I am hoping in the next week or so...assuming no new bugs appear.
I'll let you all know.
Thanks for you patience.
Matt
Brian Duke September 7th, 2006, 12:59 PM I am hoping in the next week or so...assuming no new bugs appear.
I'll let you all know.
Thanks for you patience.
Matt
Any updates yet?? I am not buying the DR-100 until I know I can work with 24P into FCP5 without any headache. At the same time I am tried of recording to tapes as my HD100 eats some of them when it gets hungry.
Matt McEwen September 15th, 2006, 10:51 AM Apple has only just announced support for HDV 720p/24 in FCP at IBC (with version 5.1.2). http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=6118
It is not yet shipping, but we hope to add support for QuickTime with 720p/24 as soon as possible. It is difficult for us to develop when the product we are planning on supporting is not yet shipping! The QuickTime update for DR-HD100 with 720p/30 support is now shipping.
Thanks for your patience.
Matt
Steve Benner September 15th, 2006, 06:02 PM Apple has only just announced support for HDV 720p/24 in FCP at IBC (with version 5.1.2). http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=6118
It is not yet shipping, but we hope to add support for QuickTime with 720p/24 as soon as possible. It is difficult for us to develop when the product we are planning on supporting is not yet shipping! The QuickTime update for DR-HD100 with 720p/30 support is now shipping.
Thanks for your patience.
Matt
I was hoping you would reference that soon and you did! Thanks...The only question I have is regarding money...I just shelled out $40 bucks for the 30P support, is that going to happen again?
Matt McEwen September 18th, 2006, 11:49 AM No, this will be a maintenence release.
Thanks,
Matt
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