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Dick Mays
April 14th, 2006, 09:04 AM
I'm new to this filmmaker business. I took up acting as a hobby years ago, for relief from the pressures of software development. But I'm liking making movies because it combines the creative and the technical.

My shorts tend to feature actors and dialog due to my background, and watching these other shorts, I am learning so much about how one can tell a story with just pictures.

Anyway, my favorite part of this group is getting the honest feedback and critique from peers. We all love the strokes, but I learn more when you suggest areas for improvement. So fire away.

What can I say about the movie, other than I hope you like it? I thought there would be a lot of mirrors in most shorts, so I elected to have reflections more as a theme for thinking back on past decisions. Threw in a couple of relections. My house is featured in the background of the lake scene. I also have a cameo in this one, as the guy drinking coffee outside.

You guys and gals are a great group of folks and watching these shorts I can see us all growing as filmmakers. Thanks in advance!

Robert Martens
April 14th, 2006, 09:44 AM
First off I have to apologize for wasting bandwidth; I got the WMV in a hurry while downloading all four films, then realized I wanted to see how your Quicktime file turned out, and got that as well. Looks great from where I'm standing, but I think you might shave a few megabytes off the filesize if you used something beside the "Apple Lossless" codec. Maybe I'm wrong, though, I'm not familiar with that one.

The movie was great all around, especially the writing and acting. Can't say there's anything bad about the visuals, though, you did fantastically. There's consistency between shots, too, something I can rarely say for myself! I've had trouble with that in the past, namely outdoors, but you pulled it off. And a happy ending, to boot. I liked it very much, keep it up!

"He's out back, by the pahnd." I love that accent. :)

Chris Barcellos
April 14th, 2006, 09:58 AM
Dick:

Love the whole feel of the film. You can tell you put a lot of work setting this whole production up. There were many great shots. Loved the bike scene.

How did you shoot and process the footage in the FX1 ? Down rez out of camera at capture, or edit in HD then dow rez ? Looks like you have used used some "filmic" filters too. Visually, whole thing was fantastic, I thought. As far as story line, I may have lost it a bit in looking at how you were shooting things-- but this was great.

Hugo Pinto
April 14th, 2006, 10:00 AM
Great acting!

Your actors were amazing, and I really felt the text.

The scene where they meet and resolve is very good.

As a fellow software-developer-turned-amateur-moviemaker, you have my two thumbs up.

Best,

Hugo

William Gardner
April 14th, 2006, 10:01 AM
Very nice! I also particularly liked the bike scenes over the initial credits: the shots and the cutting was done very professionally. Nice, simple story too.

Technically, the only small thing that caught my eye was that the color didn't seem to match when you were intercutting between the guy and the girl at the pond. Don't know if this was just a difference in the time of day, or different processing, or what...???

Good job!
Bill

Meryem Ersoz
April 14th, 2006, 10:13 AM
your stuff just keeps getting better and better.

as a fellow fx-1 owner, i'm also interested in hearing more of the post-production details. how'd you get that look?

Edward Slonaker
April 14th, 2006, 10:37 AM
as a fellow fx-1 owner, i'm also interested in hearing more of the post-production details. how'd you get that look?
Ditto. I keep my FX1 on "DV" because I haven't gotten the gumption to work with HD, yet. But, we're fixing to leave for two weeks to Canada and I'm DEFINITELY going to capture in HD and work it out later.

Liked this film as well. Good acting. The transition from cafe to "grandma's" was nice. There were a couple of spots where it was just a bit too 'filmic'....may have been the lighting. Not sure. Overall, though, good stuff.

Michael Fossenkemper
April 14th, 2006, 11:40 AM
Acting was great. I really liked the pace of this short. I enjoyed it.

Dick Mays
April 14th, 2006, 11:54 AM
Thanks for the kind remarks. Don't worry about the bandwith. I have a site with Gigs of bandwidth thanks to the recommendation of Aanarav Sareen. I wish I had uploaded a high rez image after seeing some of the really pretty shorts.

The lighting was part by plan, part by mistake. I had testing the location, before 9:30 am, with the sunlight behind the trees, and the bounce off the lake, and got a really great look. However both my actors work night jobs, so making an early morning call time for no pay was tough to pull off. I had to continue to shoot with direct sunlight, and had to wait for clouds to keep the light from blowing out the highlights. By the time we finished, the "his lighting" was substantially different from the "her" lighting, and I had to play with gamma, contrast, and color hue to get it to match the best I could. That's why it looks like it was shot with a filter.

One thing about the FX1, is exporting DV gives black borders in a 4:3 frame. I think the Z1U allows 16:9 DV export. Since it's faster to edit and cut the DV video than the HDV video, I did this project in DV. I did an edit for DVD output with a 4:3 project. Then imported this sequence into a 16:9 project. I had to stretch the video to get it to full frame on the timeline. This loses resolution, but it didn't make a difference for the web. I used Robert Marten's suggestion of doubling up on the vertical resolution for the QuickTime version, to keep the file reasonably sized.

I had the luxury of having worked with my two leads for over two months. They had the lead roles in Barefoot in the Park, which I directed for our local comunity theatre. I think they're both pretty darn good.

Chris Barcellos
April 14th, 2006, 12:08 PM
One thing about the FX1, is exporting DV gives black borders in a 4:3 frame. I think the Z1U allows 16:9 DV export. Since it's faster to edit and cut the DV video than the HDV video, I did this project in DV. I did an edit for DVD output with a 4:3 project. Then imported this sequence into a 16:9 project. I had to stretch the video to get it to full frame on the timeline. This loses resolution, but it didn't make a difference for the web. I used Robert Marten's suggestion of doubling up on the vertical resolution for the QuickTime version, to keep the file reasonably sized.

Dick:

Because of lowlight issues, I shot both the FX1 and VX2000 and used them on same time 4:3 line in Premiere Pro 2.0. With the 4:3 VX2000 stuff, I just overlayed a matte. I did not go through the process of trying to force it back to 16:9, and didn't see a reason to-- especially for Quicktime or .wmv production. And it works just fine to DVD to. I am curious why you wanted to do that.

Dick Mays
April 14th, 2006, 12:35 PM
Chris,

I didn't force it back to 16x9 for DVD. I left it 4:3 with the black bands. I forced it back into the 16:9 frame so the QuickTime version would not have banding, and no bandwidth would be used to encode the black video.

Dick

Chris Barcellos
April 14th, 2006, 12:45 PM
Chris,

I didn't force it back to 16x9 for DVD. I left it 4:3 with the black bands. I forced it back into the 16:9 frame so the QuickTime version would not have banding, and no bandwidth would be used to encode the black video.

Dick

Okay, I understand now. Thanks.

Lorinda Norton
April 14th, 2006, 12:47 PM
Dick, that was beautiful! I'll echo what others said about the bicycle segment--I loved it.

You did an excellent job with all your shot choices, framing, etc. The color and feel of this movie was just right! Bravo!!!!

Bradley L Marlow
April 14th, 2006, 01:23 PM
Wonderful job Dick!

You had some great cinematography going on. Did you use a car mount of some sort for the bike scenes? Well done.

I'm especially fond of the end sequence and found it to be quite touching. Thought the actors did a great job and your decision to use reflections for thinking back on past decisions was great - strikes a chord with me.

Best wishes~
Bradley

Philip Gioja
April 14th, 2006, 03:26 PM
I really thought the acting was strong, so was not surprised to hear that they are actually actors -- I was very impressed with that. I like the fact that it was so simple of an idea. I felt like it really worked well with the time limit and gave you time to develop the moment rather than crunching to get all the story elements in so that nothing was missed. The script was good -- nice touch at the end with the letters.

Sean McHenry
April 15th, 2006, 01:22 AM
What codecs were used on bith the wmv and QT versions? I can't get either one to play here. Remember, I'm an Avid guy and can't randomly add codecs so if you used any exotic codecs, I won't be able to view this one.

Let me know what you used so I can check my system or load the codecs on another machine to wathc it there.

Thanks. Looking forward to seeing it.

Sean McHenry

Dick Mays
April 15th, 2006, 11:08 AM
Sean,

I'm not sure what I used, I think it was H.264 QT and WMV 9.0

I won't be back home until Monday, but maybe I will be allowed to render it again in a different code and post another version.

I've got outtakes too. I think it would be neat to see everybodies outtakes!

Dick

Robert Kirkpatrick
April 15th, 2006, 01:02 PM
By the time we finished, the "his lighting" was substantially different from the "her" lighting, and I had to play with gamma, contrast, and color hue to get it to match the best I could.I had the very same problem shooting with my FX1. When we started our film, the forecast called for a completely overcast day. Halfway through, the sun came out of nowhere and blew everything out.

You did a VERY good job getting them to match. The only thing I could suggest is just a little less contrast on the guy shots, or more contrast on the girl. The exact settings I couldn't tell you. You did a good job of doing a 2-person dialogue sequence and keeping the cuts and composition interesting.

Sean McHenry
April 15th, 2006, 04:30 PM
Dick,
It's OK now. I downloaded it and I can see it from the hard drive but not direct for some reason. Aside from that little tech issue, and that doesn't count at all - Freaking amazing. That was like watching the opening scenes from a feature. Well executed and planned. In other words, stuff I wish I had done.

Great acting. We seldom get that level of people to help us out. Great all around.

My only minor issue is, I know the guy didn't write her while he was away but I don't quite understand her really strong positive reaction to him saying he would write. If we knew he was incapable of writing, or had never written anyone anywhere, it might have been the push I needed there. Still, excellent.

Sean McHenry

Dick Mays
April 16th, 2006, 12:58 AM
Sean,

Thanks for the nice comments. I plan to shoot a feature some day, so my shorts tend to look more like scenes from movies rather than complete stories.

You ask why is she so excited that he will write her letters? Why indeed! If the audience doesn't get it from the story, I'll never tell.

I'm surprised no one asked about the father of the baby.
(My two year old daughter Caroline played the part and went uncredited.)

Hugh DiMauro
April 17th, 2006, 07:34 AM
Dick:

Music was well used and in all the right places. Camera work was good and great choice for the male and female leads. I think this might be your genre. I wish I could nail it like you. Thank you. The letters from a soldier angle hit me the most.

Sean McHenry
April 17th, 2006, 08:18 AM
I think we all made certain assumptions. Mine was that he is not the father (Wow, sorry, that sounded like a Maury thing didn't it?) and that it was some mistake she had made. That theory even follows her dialog as she says something rather round about like it wasn't anything that meant something to her, or something like that.

My assumption was they were close, she made a bad judgement call and he took off for the military to escape his seeming rejection.

I can creat a whole backstory in my head that fills it in. I always try to do that with anything I do. Leave enough small blank spots to let the audience tell the story to themselves. I always think that makes it so much more personal. We may all walk away with a slightly different take on it but hey, isn't that just like art then?

Good job.

Sean

Kris Holodak
April 17th, 2006, 11:07 AM
I read the baby thing the same way Sean did. But now that you mention it, did you have an interpretation in mind that you were expecting or hoping we'd get?

Dick Mays
April 17th, 2006, 03:45 PM
Kris and Sean,

I'm glad your guys got it the way I intended. For some reason, several people in Barrow county that saw the short, assumed he ran away from the problem, and that the baby was his. Probably because 80% of the births in this County are to unwed mothers.

Sean, I'm like you, I like leaving a few holes for the audience ot fill in. Thanks to all of you for the kind comments. I'm behind on reviewing all the entries, but hope to be able to catch up tonight.

Dick

Philip Gioja
April 18th, 2006, 07:29 PM
I pretty much read it the way Sean described -- she made a mistake and got pregnant by someone else, he got upset/hurt and left, she came around and realized how much he meant to her, and wrote him letters in the hope of winning him back. He never returns the letters. The ending is meant to be him forgiving her at least partly, by letting her back into his life at least a little bit. That's why she's so happy -- she feels relieved and forgiven, and the letters are a symbol of that.

Do you have your outtakes uploaded somewhere? I'm putting mine up tonight, as well as an extended director's cut (extra minute or so) and my initial green-screen mirror test.