http://home.comcast.net/~g.elliott3///AmyPreceremony.wmv

Nice edit. Reminds me very much of Joel's work although I haven't seen too much of it. The VO really helped, especially considering it was prep footage. Seemed fairly repetitive in terms of the content, so from an outside viewers perspective that doesn't know the couple, I would have suggested adding in more shots with the bridal party, grooms men, parents, and perhaps details other than the dress. Nice ending to a great peice overall. Did you have a second videographer there, looked like a shotgun mic in one of your shots?

As always..."Excellent".

Glen- where do you get your fonts?? You always use nice fonts which I cant seem to find.....


Regards,
Joven

I "third" the nice job/excellent comments! I love the sun/cloud/church thing at the beginning. Are those clouds some stock footage you shot, or was it shot that day with that edit in mind?

The vo's were also very nice. Last time I tried that (which actually was the first time and so far only time), they just weren't the touchy-feely kind of vo's I was looking for. He had a very gruff, hoarse voice that didn't lend well to this kind of use, and she just couldn't think of anything touching to say. I tried coaching her a little by asking some questions about them and their relationship, but she just didn't have it in her. So, I stopped recording, stepped back and just got footage.

Again, very nice sample! Always a pleasure to view your work.

Dan

I like it a lot. A little mushy, but it's supposed to be. I've tried something like that, too, with mixed results. This is a great example, and it gives me something to strive for.

Awsome work Glen,

I hated having to watch it with the watermark.

Mike

Nice edit. Reminds me very much of Joel's work although I haven't seen too much of it. The VO really helped, especially considering it was prep footage. Seemed fairly repetitive in terms of the content, so from an outside viewers perspective that doesn't know the couple, I would have suggested adding in more shots with the bridal party, grooms men, parents, and perhaps details other than the dress. Nice ending to a great peice overall. Did you have a second videographer there, looked like a shotgun mic in one of your shots?

Joel is one of my lead inspirations. Regarding shot selection I actually had an abundance of bridesmaids and groomsmen shots however once I laid the VO's down it was to personal to cut away to others. There are other segments where I can use these shots, namely the highlights.

I shot the bridal prep and my assistant shot the grooms. One videographer at each location.

Thanks for the critique.

As always..."Excellent".

Glen- where do you get your fonts?? You always use nice fonts which I cant seem to find.....


Regards,
Joven

Thank you. I get all my fonts from www.dafont.com/en

I "third" the nice job/excellent comments! I love the sun/cloud/church thing at the beginning. Are those clouds some stock footage you shot, or was it shot that day with that edit in mind?

The vo's were also very nice. Last time I tried that (which actually was the first time and so far only time), they just weren't the touchy-feely kind of vo's I was looking for. He had a very gruff, hoarse voice that didn't lend well to this kind of use, and she just couldn't think of anything touching to say. I tried coaching her a little by asking some questions about them and their relationship, but she just didn't have it in her. So, I stopped recording, stepped back and just got footage.

Again, very nice sample! Always a pleasure to view your work.

Dan

Thanks Dan- yeah the couple did pretty well with the on-the-fly VO's questionaire we had them do. They were both nervous and it came out in their voices- however it sounded more "true" than having them read off of a pre-written sheet.

I like it a lot. A little mushy, but it's supposed to be. I've tried something like that, too, with mixed results. This is a great example, and it gives me something to strive for.

Mushy is gold to most brides, particularly this one. I finished editing this bride's friends wedding. She was there when the couple screened it and she cried more than her friend did and it wasn't even her wedding. I'm looking forward to delivering this video to her.

Awsome work Glen,

I hated having to wath it with the watermark.

Mike

My appologies, I hope it wasn't TOO distracting. There has been an abudance of theft of online demos recently. I'm doing my small part to help thwart it with my work.

Glen, where di you get your music? That music fits perfectly with the feel of the video

excellent work!

My appologies, I hope it wasn't TOO distracting. There has been an abudance of theft of online demos recently. I'm doing my small part to help thwart it with my work.
Dont ever apologise for wanting to protect you work mate, its one of the reasons i dont put stuff online.. ive had people leach my work and being a supplier/trainer, ive even had people walk through my shop door with my production studio's demo dvd in hand (the shop and the productions are 2 differet entities with different names) with them wanting to learn techniques.. so plagiarism is abuntant and rampant in this industry...

moving onto the the topic, again mate, nice and tight edits make for great viewing.
I Understand the reasoning behind dragging afew shots out, as it helps retian the pace and flow of what we're hearing, One thing though, speaking of hearing, be aware of the reverb configuration u have on the voices.
Im running an audio monitor set up which picks up EVERYTHING. Its an Old Yamaha setup with Berhinger truths (all 5 of them) with a custom build subwoofer. Basically i use it for Dolby Digital mixing, monitoring and mastering. Now theres nothing wrong with the reverb, its just a little to wide for a personal VO like this. In the chapel, i would use this setting, but for a one on one type, i would tighten it a little bit.
If your looking for good plugins which work really well within a video environment, have a look at Waves Pro, as well as Beatmodel plugins. There are heaps more but i think these 2 packages cover most video requirements

Thanks Peter for the suggestion. The way it sounds is how I preferred it for this piece. If I use VO's without talking heads I try to rid the natural dry sound of it. I wanted it to sound dreamy and reflective.

The original un-compressed piece was edited using M-Audio LX4's on a Audiophile 192.

if thats the case, then i would recommend something like a chorus effect for that dreamy reminescence, or more substantially, if u can get your hands on a Harmonic Exciter. I use 2 different exciters, ones on my Yamaha A3000mkII sampler and i pass the audio straight through it then record my line input
Another option i take, and this is the best way to retain clarity and quality, is to capture the footage where the VO was done (i dont carry my Marantz PMD671 to weddings if i dont have to.. )
Anyways, clean it up a little in soundforge, transfer it straight into my RS7000 workstation as a wav file and run it as a series of samples through a customised drum samplebank.
That samplebank is then chained to a series of effects. The output from that, is then run back through the optical output straight into the PC onto the Vegas timeline and recorded in realtime.. all the while im tweaking and adjusting as it plays along.
I like to fluctuate certain freq to accentuate what is being said. Some resonance tweaks help a fair bit and fatten up whats being said, then some tweaking of Chorus filters on high end plosives really give the mix that lil bit of an edge and accentuate the words. I dont do this very often though coz it DOES take time...

Obviously this is all outboard gear and i rarely do this unless theyre high paying customers, but in the SW world, Vegas is good with its realtime tweakability but its just not hands on enough for me... Im too old skool..lol

From here, if u want to get your hands on a pretty decent resonance filter, there are afew VST plugs, but i would recommend the Reso filter which comes with Acid, as this can actually be tweaked in realtime straight from the vegas timeline.
For decent chorus filters, checkout Beatmodels plugins as the chorus filter is one of the most robust ive used. really decent phasing, and shape configurations and does absolute wonders for VO work like this.

forgot to ask, are u mixing this as a stereo track or a 5.1 track? Reason i ask is that those speakers are 2.1 which u can easily use to monitor a 5.1 mix, basically in vegas, u create a 5.1 mix, and mute the rear and centre speaker.
Do all ur mixing and when ur done, duplicate that track and spereate it from its master. Go to panner and select LFE and voila, instant suibwoofer.. youll need to check this element of the mix though.

When delivering, jsut render out as a 5.1 track. In teh playback device, it will recognise 5.1, BUT your mix being 2.1 will only utlise those speakers.
Im really rather miffed that DVDArchitect doesnt allow for these variable in Dolby encodes <even though u can render tehm, u cant use them in DVDA unless its pure stereo or pure 5.1> , but this is one way you can give ur clients a decent mix and the use of their subwoofer

Where did you find that musical score. Its wonderful. I have a few of my own done by friends who are now in the music bussines, but it was paid for in good old reliable dollars, but its not as tear jerky as the one you have.... I love it, you made it yourself?

Props to your work. I'm scared, cause I've only done one wedding, and it was a friends one, and pretty basic at that. I'm going to have to set my standards higher evermore... Thumbs up all the way man.

forgot to ask, are u mixing this as a stereo track or a 5.1 track? Reason i ask is that those speakers are 2.1 which u can easily use to monitor a 5.1 mix, basically in vegas, u create a 5.1 mix, and mute the rear and centre speaker.
Do all ur mixing and when ur done, duplicate that track and spereate it from its master. Go to panner and select LFE and voila, instant suibwoofer.. youll need to check this element of the mix though.

When delivering, jsut render out as a 5.1 track. In teh playback device, it will recognise 5.1, BUT your mix being 2.1 will only utlise those speakers.
Im really rather miffed that DVDArchitect doesnt allow for these variable in Dolby encodes <even though u can render tehm, u cant use them in DVDA unless its pure stereo or pure 5.1> , but this is one way you can give ur clients a decent mix and the use of their subwoofer

All my productions are 2.1. I haven't even tried to produce 5.1 as of yet. I know the LX4's are expandable to 5.1 which is nice. I don't, however, know if it'll be something I venture into for wedding production though. Sound quite interesting though- and I love how the surround panner works in Vegas.

Regarding the chorus filter you spoke of...I'll have to definitly take a look into it. I deal mostly in visual filters- I haven't explored even 1/4 of the potential in the audio realm in Vegas and or Forge.

Glen

Really nice work. Colours, tones and highlights spot on!

I thought your sound was great, but I do agree about the chorus effect...very nice if used right.

Cheers

Tony

Considering the level of quality your videos carry, 5.1 mixing would reallybe a boon to the final product. The fact that 5.1 give u the full 20Kz bandwidth as well as the additional wow factor of the additional channels, would really bring out the fullness of any mix. With VO like this as an example, you can duplicate that VO track (centre channel), and run a completely wet reverb/chorus/exciter and send that straight through your FR/FL RL and RR channels, and THIS would REALLY fatten up ANY sound... in this case, i woudl even recommend a tempo delay to have the closing elements of teh VO segments paced in sync with the tempo of the music bed.

Once you get into this style of mixing, you'll soon change he way you work with audio and its when this happens that youll see how much more power and flexibility you have within the whole editing environment within Vegas

for what it is, Vegas is THE most powerful NLE by far, even Avid and FCP cant do half the stuff Vegas can do

for what it is, Vegas is THE most powerful NLE by far, even Avid and FCP cant do half the stuff Vegas can do[/QUOTE]


Semi-biting tongue here because i have gotten into too many fruitless discussions about NLEs but needless to say that is simply not a true statement. FCP can do things Vegas can't or not as well..without a script or aux app.

And yes, Vegas can do some things that FCP can't..big deal...

but to call it "THE most powerful by far" is just hyperbole and nothing more.

dude, everyones entitled to their opinion, and the fact i sell this stuff for a living gives me exposure to every and all NLEs on the market..
And with my opinion, i chose to say that "FOR WHAT IT IS, VEGAS IS STILL THE MOST POWERFUL nle on the market. "
And i still stand by that statement.

In Glens case (which is what i was actually refering to considering the discussion about his audio options) he has the best tool at his disposal for what he wamts to do with the audio ele,emts within his videos. He obviously knows how to utilise the video elements to full effect, Im just showing how much MORE can be done to improve his product

This isnt a "my nle is better than yours" thread

And with my opinion, i chose to say that "FOR WHAT IT IS, VEGAS IS STILL THE MOST POWERFUL nle on the market. "
And i still stand by that statement

True..you did add "for what it is" in your orginal statment. And what it is is a great all around NLE (probably the best on the PC side of things) for event video. It gives you alot for a very good price. I would use it for event stuff if I were using a PC.

However, your statement that "FCP & Avid can't do half the things that Vegas can do" is simply wrong...opinion or otherwise. I am standing by that statement. ;)

and sticking to the topic, Glens work still kicks ass

and sticking to the topic, Glens work still kicks ass


No argument there! :)