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Steven Thomas
March 1st, 2006, 06:40 AM
Here are a few HD100 frame grabs (jpg) from some footage I took in Apache Junction AZ. This is straight off of the camera.


http://members.cox.net/vx2000/dress.jpg

http://members.cox.net/vx2000/jail.jpg

http://members.cox.net/vx2000/more.jpg

http://members.cox.net/vx2000/relaxed.jpg

http://members.cox.net/vx2000/superstition%20mts.jpg

Uncompressed tif:
http://members.cox.net/vx2000/relaxed.tif


Enjoy.

DJ Lewis
March 1st, 2006, 11:09 AM
Can you share your settings?

Chris Metts
March 1st, 2006, 11:19 AM
Great looking stuff Steven.

Steven Thomas
March 1st, 2006, 11:48 AM
Thanks,

I used Paolo's DSC settings listed at the bottom of his webpage.
http://www.paolociccone.com/hd100-calibration.html

You may want to change Knee to 80% and Black stretch to 3 as reccomended by Tim Dashwood to render the most latitude.
Nate Weaver also recommends this change.

I bet if I had the knee and black stretch set as mentioned, the footage would look even better.

Well, there's always next time :)

Steve

Tim Dashwood
March 1st, 2006, 12:05 PM
I bet if I had the knee and black stretch set as mentioned, the footage would look even better.

The footage looks pretty good. I especially like "relaxed.jpg (http://members.cox.net/vx2000/relaxed.jpg)."

Setting the knee lower would have helped you control the clipped highlights the one cowboy's white shirt in "more.jpg" (http://members.cox.net/vx2000/more.jpg)
Setting the black stretch to 3 would have rendered more detail in the shadow area of "dress.jpg (http://members.cox.net/vx2000/dress.jpg)" where the cowboy hat is hung on the wall and on the bearded cowboy's face. A lower knee would have also avoided the clipping on the cowgirl's shirt.

The colour redition looks good and your exposure was spot on.

Thomas Smet
March 1st, 2006, 12:07 PM
was this captured live uncompressed or did you filter the chroma channels? They look pretty smooth inside of Shake.

Stephen L. Noe
March 1st, 2006, 12:13 PM
was this captured live uncompressed or did you filter the chroma channels? They look pretty smooth inside of Shake.
That's the way the channels separate from the ProHD source Thomas. Blue, Green and Luminance are immaculate and Red is slighly over exposed (most of the time. That encoder has incredible quality.

Steven Thomas
March 1st, 2006, 12:34 PM
Tim,
thanks, I saw those same issues and sure wish I has set the black stretch and knee to allow for more dynamic range. Live and learn..

Thomas, JVC HDV codec is really decent. I can't believe how good this stuff looks on my 50" Pioneer plasma. The image is very filmic and clean.

Tim, Nate, and Stephen woke me up to how well the HD100 performs.
I'm sold on the HD100 and plan on looking forward to any further advancements
in their line.

Although their 19mbps HDV codec really work REAL well,
I wish they offered a function that would allow you to switch to a 25mbps sample rate to capture even higher quality.

Warren Shultz
March 1st, 2006, 12:35 PM
It has a nice "warm" color balance. Did you do a straight white balance or preset?

Thomas Smet
March 1st, 2006, 12:35 PM
I meant in terms of 4:2:0. These shots looked more like 4:2:2 than other shots from the HD100. Maybe it came from a Cineform export which actually tries to upsample the chroma to 4:2:2. It's hard to tell on real world images but when I examine the chroma channels at 400% in Shake they look more like an interpolated 4:2:2 or analog.

Steven Thomas
March 1st, 2006, 12:36 PM
It has a nice "warm" color balance. Did you do a straight white balance or preset?

Straight white balance.

Steven Thomas
March 1st, 2006, 12:39 PM
I meant in terms of 4:2:0. These shots looked more like 4:2:2 than other shots from the HD100. Maybe it came from a Cineform export which actually tries to upsample the chroma to 4:2:2. It's hard to tell on real world images but when I examine the chroma channels at 400% in Shake they look more like an interpolated 4:2:2 or analog.

Thomas, these were not converted to Cineform; although that is my plan when editing.

They are frame grabs straight off of the m2t timeline.

Steve

Stephen L. Noe
March 1st, 2006, 12:47 PM
Steve,

Can you export an uncompressed file instead of JPG? Instead does your editor allow export of uncompressed TGA or uncompressed TIFF?

Steven Thomas
March 1st, 2006, 01:03 PM
Stephen, no problem. I just uploaded a tiff.

http://members.cox.net/vx2000/relaxed.tif

Efrain Gomez
March 1st, 2006, 01:13 PM
wow that looks nice. what did you edit in?

Steven Thomas
March 1st, 2006, 01:23 PM
The frame grab is straight off of the mt2 file playing Nero Showtime.

As of yet, I have not done any editing. My plan is to use
Vegas with Cineform, or Edius Pro 3.61


Steve

Thomas Smet
March 1st, 2006, 04:36 PM
ok now that looks correct. The tiff clearly shows the 2x2 pixel blocks in the chroma.

For some strange reason your jpegs show a highly smoothed blurred and interpolated chroma. I compared both and they are as clear as night and day. This is why I was confused. I never heard of jpegs smoothing chroma by that much. This tiff looks exactly right.

Very nice footage by the way.

Steven Thomas
March 1st, 2006, 04:41 PM
Thanks Thomas,
I'm really enjoying this camera. Everything about it is pro.

I believe a lot of people are waking up to how well the HD100 performs - especially for $6K !

I'm now a JVC fan for sure.

Paolo Ciccone
March 1st, 2006, 05:58 PM
ok now that looks correct. The tiff clearly shows the 2x2 pixel blocks in the chroma.

For some strange reason your jpegs show a highly smoothed blurred and interpolated chroma.


I wonder if the fact that the tiff is not from the same exact frame makes any difference. I guess that different points in the stream might lead to slightly different results. Just speculating...

--
Paolo

Mike Sakovski
March 2nd, 2006, 05:20 PM
these grabs remind me Deadwood HBO series.. the same dramatic, crashed blacks look. Pretty cool)

Steven Thomas
March 2nd, 2006, 07:08 PM
Mike the blacks were probably crushed to much.

Today, I used the same color matrix, but went with Tim's suggestion
with knee at 80%, and black stretch 3.

This renders better overall lattitude and pulled better detail in the blacks.

Steve