Anyone out there using the Boris LTD products that came with Avid 3.5.3 Powerpack? I can't seem to get it to work right. It loads but locks up and is flickery and flakes out often. I've reinstalled but get the same thing. It does the same thing when I load outside of Avid. I need a decent titler. The one in Avid just doesn't do it for me. I miss Inscriber...

All by myself out here in the Nebraska Boonies...

Becky

Tewksbury, MA - January 21, 2003 - Avid Technology, Inc. (NASDAQ: AVID) today unveiled its Symphony system for the Macintosh platform and new Mac OS X versions of the Media Composer®, Film Composer®, and Avid Xpress® systems. Symphony v4.7 for the Mac platform will offer real-time 10-bit DVE, Ultimatte keying and color correction processing on Mac OS X, Apple's latest high-performance operating system. ...

As an introductory offering, new Avid Symphony v4.7 systems will be priced up to 22% off the regular $90,000 USMSRP through March 28, 2003.
Avid site's full press release. (http://www.avid.com/company/releases/2003/030121_symphonyMac_prod.html)

$90,000... damn. We could buy a lot of production and post
equipment for that kind of money.. Oh well.

I'm sorry nobody's been able to answer your question yet, Becky. If you haven't solved the problem already, one trick you can use to bring your question to the fore of the forum every so often is post a short follow-up (as I'm doing now) which will serve as a reminder that you're still having problems and will also help to alert your post to new members who might not have seen it the first time around.

(As Wrangler of the PC forum, I hate to see a thread go unanswered for weeks on end...)

Becky,

BorisFX is a very customer service oriented company. Go to their web site (http://www.borisfx.com/products/) and contact them or phone them toll free 1-888-772-6747. They will help you solve your problems.

jeff

I contacted Boris. They suggested that I talk to my reseller who in turn sent me to Avid. Apparently I didn't receive the right version of the Boris FX and Graffiti. I'm trying to reach Avid at this point. I'm getting there... I hope. It takes forever to get through. I just hope I don't have to start over again. Thanks for your help!

i read this article today on the avid web site. avid is working with panasonic to develop the software/hardware to enable the panny 24p to work with the avid in 24 frame editing.

go to www.avid.com and click on the heading "company" at the top of the page. then click on the title "press releases" below. third scroll down until you see the date 1/17/2003 and click on it to read the article. now they say that this new feature will be used on future avid models and software; when i don't know.

john,

Nice to know; I was not aware! Thanks for the link,

The ability to edit in 24p is just one of the "new" features being beta tested on Avid 4.0. Looks to be a big step up in other ways as well. The Avid board is full of rumors...

(Did a search, and nobody seems to have mentioned this so far...)

According to the Avid site (www.avid.com), a simplified free version of Avid DV will be available mid-year. You can sign up to be notified. A professional friend who knows people at Avid suggests it may arrive as early as March. Any real inside info here?

Only what's been mentioned here, I think. (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5933)

Thanks for the extra pointer. I did indeed only search this particular forum.

Maurice

Anyone hear about Avid's new DNA or Avid Xpress Pro products?

Yup.

Been leaking out on the Avid Forum. SHould know all about by Monday.

Here's the teaser link
www.bkproductions.net/dna/

This looks interesting:
http://www.avid.com/products/xpresspro/

Real-time DV and analogue I/O for desktop and laptops. HW & SW.

FCP4's new RT does sound impressive, and boy am I looking forward to the update, but surely RT hardware can't be beat.

Have has announced several new products. Read Avid's Press Release (http://www.avid.com/company/releases/2003/040603_XpressPro_prod.html) and tour their site. (http://www.avid.com/index_fl.asp)

Take a look at this device for input and output (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8452) on FCP 4

The Io from Aja is about $1000 more than the mojo box. That's a hefty piece of change. At that point you are looking at one of the other options with Avid's line.

Sounds amazing :)

Is Liquid Blue both a hardware and software solution?

About how much is it?

How much hard drive space do I need for 10 minutes of PAL 4:2:2 50mbps MPEG IMX video?

When using Liquid Blue, can I use Serial ATA Raid with MPEG IMX (again, using PAL 4:2:2 50mbps MPEG IMX video), and if not, what type of SCSI drives would I need?

Your answers would be most appreciated, thanks.

Glenn,

Liquid Blue is a hard/software solution. In fact it is a prebuilt turnkey system aimed at broadcast institutions. You probably wont get much change out of $20 000 for it. For the complete details I suggest you e-mail Bonnie Rawson at Pinnacle (brawson@pinnaclesys.com)

I read a news article that Avid ExpressDV with 24p & 24p Advanced Editing capability for source footage from the Panasonic AG-DVX100 is coming. The camera is great! But, dealing with in-sync's Blade 2.1 NLE-----garbage in my opinion. Or Sonic Foundry's Vegas 4 to do editing 24p 24p advanced is a big step backwards. Help me find out when an update will be available from Avid to work in 24p & 24p advanced with the AG-DVX100 with Avid ExpressDV. PLEASE! I'm sure that I am not the only ExpressDV user here.


Kevin

Hey guys. I'm trying to figure out why Avid is de-interlacing my footage without me saying to do so. I use Avid Xpress for color correction on my film, however it keeps de-interlacing my footage when I specifiy it not to. I shot in frame mode, so there is no need for me to deinterlace. It's very annoying. Can someone help me out here?

That's new to me. Try the avid forum at www.avid.com. Lot's of good help there.

Actually, I found out that it's because I am exporting with Single Field activated. I don't know how to turn it off. I don't want to use Even or Odd fields option either. I just want to edit in progressive mode. Why is that so hard for Avid Xpress to understand? argh. I will try that, Richard

It'll be in the upgrade to Xpress Pro, which is currently $295 for XDV users, and Xpress Pro is slated for release in Q3 2003, so a couple more months. I'm excited about this new release too since it incorporates almost everything from media composer now in a software-only (without mojo) package.

Jason Rodriguez

Follow the developments of XpressPro on the avid board, at www.avid.com

Looks to be an interesting upgrade. Even without the DNA (digital Nonlinnear Accelerator) MOJO. I'll be bumping for the pro version when it comes out.

(I just love the name game being played between FCP and Avid. First, FCP comes out with a downscale version of FCP and call it Final Cut Xpress, then Avid announces a downscale version of Xpress and calls it FREE. Then they come out with a major upgrade and call it XpressPro! Ahh marketing...)

I am trying to capture live from my DVX 100 to Xpress DV direct to the hard drive.

XDV will capture video but not audio. I think the problem is a deck configuration issue between XDV and the Panasonic DVX 100.

I can capture live video & audio with a Canon GL1 but when I use the DVX 100 I can only record video. (It is not the DVX 100 camera settings, as video & audio is recorded to tape OK. Also this tape will input into XDV with the audio intact). Puzzling? Does Avid have an updated driver for this camera?

Any suggestions? Would someone with a DVX 100 and XDV try this and see if they get the same result?

Thanks,
Bill
Xpress DV 3.0
W-2000
DVX 100
GL1

In what mode are you trying to capture, 24p, 60i etc.? Have you tried different modes? Some modes may not send audio out the FireWire because of necessary delays etc.

I am capturing in normal mode (60i) same as the GL1, which works.
Bill

Have you posted this on the Avid site? They have a very active user forum. I have one contact with a DVX100 and an Avid but he is using a later version (3.5.X I think) and running XP. He's out of town for the weekend, but I left a message. I'm 99.99% sure it works on his version.

The camera may not pass audio live from the camera, it may be a design limitation.

Thanks Jeff:

I did post on the Avid forum, but I didn't get a response, which seems unusual considering the popularity of the DVX 100.

I hadn't really considered the camera design as the culprit, but it is possible. I have not enough equipment to test it. I doknow that it passes analog audio just fine, as I do that a lot.

I would be interested to hear what your friend says about it.
Thanks,
Bill

Well, I follow up on Monday when he's back in town. Until then, anyone else have an idea?

Hi guys. I just purchased my GL2, Yay!, and I'm looking at different NLE's. I have Premiere from a while back and I hate it. I also picked up Vegas 4.0 and it's really nice. However, being a techno weenie, I'm thinking of moving to Avid Xpress DV because it's basically THE pro editor of choice, right? I've done a lot of cutting on Discreet's Edit as well. I'm just wondering if folks here that are using Avid and have taken the time to learn it think that it can do all that Vegas can do and more. How's the plugin support? I'm also using AE 5.5 and Boris for a lot of stuff so compatibility is an issue.

I just want to take the time to learn something that will always be around and be an industry leader. I figure if you're going to spend a lot of time with something, it might as well be the best right? I had the same dilemma when I built my home recording studio...started out using Cakewalk, but moved to Pro Tools because it was the industry standard. I don't regret that move, but will I regret moving to Avid??? Opinions??

Thanks,
Michael

No way in the world for anyone to know in advance what you will regret later.... if you don't know.

Lot of people on the board here are very happy with Vegas. It's MUCH cheaper and will do a lot of the same things. (Though the workflow is different. Some say more intuitive, but I think it all depends on what your prior experience is.) There are a couple of threads going on right now about VEGAS being bought by Sony, and how it is a good/bad thing. Read them and draw your own conclusions.

I edit on Avid. I bought it (with the powerpack) because I was looking to be able to walk into an advanced suite and still be comfortable on the interface. (MC or Symphony) I bought it because I wanted to CUT FILM ( you need a film matchback program to do this... Avid's is the best.) Avids color correction tools are superb.


Avid comes with a full Boris Package, and Graffitti, and it comes with a copy for Mac as well, (should you need to go cross-platform or if at some point you decide to switch to Mac.) It's got lots of third party support. The AVID codec is great, and can be used in other systems. (Yeah, you can work in AE too)

Avid's been around a while, and is not likely to dissapear anytime soon.

The new XpressDV pro is set to be released in June. It will INCLUDE the powerpack, the full boris, the full grafiti AND some upgrades to the interface that make it practically identical to the Symphony interface. All this at a price that is less than I paid last year for the powerpack edition. 3.5 is the same price as FCP right now.... $999

XpressPro can be bundled with the new MOJO Digital Nonlinear Accelerator to give you all sorts of realtime uncompressed options... though the hardwares not due out till June as well.

Now then, if you are NOT cutting film, NOT likely to be offlining and need to take a project up to a finishing suite, or don't need to generate accurate edls or cutlists... you might save your money and go with another NLE. Some do other things better.

Only you can decide.

For more info on AVID go to www.avid.com

Thanks for the input Richard. Since I'm never going to "cut film", I think I may be better served with Vegas or something similar. It's unfortunate that FCP is only available to the MAC, as that package seems to have the biggest following. The recent acquisition of Vegas by Sony is very troubling. As a witness to several large corporate acquistions, I've seen great products go to the crapper because of poor management decisions and I'd hate to get comfortable with a dying editor....not that Vegas' demise is a foregone conclusion.

Perhaps I'll stick it out and see what happens. It would be nice if Vegas were to take off and become the FCP of the PC world!!

Thanks again for taking the time out to share your thoughts.

Indeed, Avid and FCP are two of the top tools used by pros, as well as Media 100. If you plan on cutting and editing for somebody in a studio, these are the ones to learn. You'll likely only find Premiere and Vegas in home studios, but not absolutely. In addition, alot of places look for After Effects experience.

Yes. Go for avid.
It has one of the more powerful colour correction tools in NLE.

I have used Avid Xpress DV for a few projects (not an expert by far) and I now use Vegas. I switched mainly because I couldn't afford Avid when I set upmy own studio. After using Vegas for a while I prefer it for most things. I find the interface is more user friendly, and I feel Avid's is like some ported interface from some other OS (Is this the case? I'm not sure of Avids history). I found things like window movement, list refreshes, edit boxes and simple things like that are untidy in Avid and I hate untidyness. Vegas is slick and fast and if Vegas had the left-click drag for moving the timeline cursor (Without changing the selection), like Avid does then I think it's interface would be pretty damned perfect for me.

I do like Avid's colour correction with colour matching, and haven't found anything the same in Vegas (Please tell me I'm blind, I can only see a Mid, Low, High match but I want the lot in one go.)

I like all the built in stuff in Vegas for transitions, credits and all that and Vegas has some good built in Audio filters (Guess that's a bonus with SoFo's stuff)

So for me I think it's the general interface feel and price that I like. If I wanted to learn a product so that I could get work or move to a pro studio then I'd have gone with Avid, but I do my own projects and don't need anything else.

Cheers
Aaron

It's all about YOU!

I am an Avid Xpress DV authorized dealer (the only one in CT, if you check their web page). I switched to Avid-only after selling Premiere-based Pinnacle and Canopus RT system and having nothing but problems. Avid is far, far more stable and the workflow is second to none. That's Avid's emphasis -- workflow.

That said, I am fairly impressed with Vegas. For the money it is the undisputed Champeen. If you don't have serious future upgrade plans, and this is just for amateur use, then I can't see spending all that extra money on Avid.

That seems to be a big deciding factor in the choice... your future upgrade path and plans.

Avid XpressDVpro is definitely a part of a mainstream system. Get good on it, and you can easily transition into the professional broadcast, film/tv world.

Since you already own and use protools, you have the best audio for NLE at your disposal already. (Avid owns protools)

The interface on Avid is keyboard based. It works best when you learn to use the keyboard as opposed to the mouse. (Though you can mouse everything as well.) That is why some people find it "hard to use". That and the fact that the paradigm for it's work flow is film editing. THat's what it was originally designed for. That's where the words like "Bin" and "Heads/tails" comes from. It is exceptional at media management. This is one of the "Big improvements" that Vegas recently innovated. They are trying to be better at managing HUGE numbers of files that are common in long form projects.

If your future is strictly dv, and short form at that... Avid might be a bit of overkill.

Jeff:

Did you have a chance to talk to your friend about trying this?

Thanks,
WW

Sorry, I did hear back and I forgot to post. It appears that his is working the same as yours. It captures video but no sound. No explanation. You might want to contact Panasonic on this issue. I would be curious on their response..

Sorry again for the delay.

Hi Steve:

I wonder if you have any suggestions regarding a DVX100 problem I am having.

I am trying to capture live from my DVX 100 to Xpress DV. No tape, just direct to the hard drive.

I can capture video but no audio! I think this is a DVX100 problem rather than an avid problem because I can capture live video & audio with a Canon GL1 just fine.

Of course going to tape on the DVX 100 works fine, both audio & video.

Do you have any idea what's going on?

Thanks,
Bill

I have changed the title of the thread to better reflect what you
are looking for. I hope some will notice it now...

Thanks, but I think it was better the way it was. The question was already posted under a different heading and went unanswered. That is why I made an individual plea to Steve Mullen.

Regards,
WW

Try sending him an e-mail. If all else failes I will change the title
back for you and reply to make the topic current again. Just drop
me a line. Or if you really think that other line will get the attention
I can change it back right now... Let me know!

I need to get audio into XDV from a minidisc, but I'm not having much luck. I thought my best option would be to simply do an analog record through the mic input on the sound card. I turned off deck control in the record tool and selected microphone as my input. I can hear the minidisc plain as day through the monitors when I do so, but the audio tool doesn't show any reading. I tried recording anyway and when I checked the recorded clip in the bin, it was blank. The sample rate is correct, so I'm mystified as to why this isn't working. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance...

Have you checked so that your Mic-volume isn't muted?
I think Avid turns off mic-boost when it loads.