I read so many conflicting things about anti-virus/spyware programs messing up computers. My editing-dedicated computer is also used for internet purposes, and I'd like to know what "security" programs people here have found useful and trouble-free with their digital video-oriented computer.

I use Vegas, incidentally. :)

Id I'd like to know what "security" programs people here have found useful and trouble-free with their digital video-oriented computer.



I could go on and on about how to keep your PC free of virus, spyware popups, and all the other little nasty stuff. I have attempted it all. The best thing I found was to throw my PC in the trash and get a Mac. Not a guarantee, but the next best thing. I just put a wireless network card in my PC laptop earlier today for fun and found some hotspots to surf the net. I had more popup in the 2 hours I used it, than I have had on my Mac all year. It was rediculous. I love the PC for anything non internet related. But they suck for internet. Too many nasty things out there love them. And I found myself spend a rediculous amount of time trying to fight them off.

I've found in avoiding antivirus all together my computer has been running better than ever.

There are no known viruses in the MAC OS-X arena AFAIK; not to say that there won't be some day. Virus-protected computers running professional editing programs do not mix well, nor do they do well with other utilities, like energy savers, screen savers, etc. This is particularly true during capture & playback. Keep the CPU dedicated to as few tasks as possible.

My editing system (FCP) is MAC based, but I'd imagine the rules are true for Windoze machines, as well.

(If Barry wants to switch to the Mac I'm sure he will make his decision on more fundamental reasons than popups and spyware.)

Barry, first you should put yourself behind a firewall. This absolutely essential. Run out as soon as possible and get yourself a router. Linksys, Dlink, these are all good. By doing so you can control all access to your local network. (This goes for you Mac people too) You can block IPs, you can allow IPs, you can protect yourself more surely than any software can. As you use your computer for real work, I would not install any software-based firewall as this will use up resources you need for your programs.

When I surf I use both IE and Firefox because I develop websites and need to see it on both browsers. Plus I find sometimes Firefox is a bit slow for certain things. Anyway, for the paranoid I recommend Firefox. Actually, I surf quite a bit and er on lots of questionable sites (read that how you will) and unlike seemingly every mother with a teenager my computer has never been killed by a virus or been taken over or what have you. This is for a simple reason, I do not download executables that others have not vetted. I do not open crap that my parents or other clueless people send me through the email. I pay attention to Virus alerts so that by the afternoon I know what files to open.

Exploits that do serious harm to your computer or browser when you are just passively surfing a site are uncommon. It is the programs or files you download from questionable sources that are by far the most serious threat to your computer beyond leaving your network open to hacking.

Google Toolbar and now IE by default block popups. If you go to a site that has popups that work despite, avoid it. Sooner or later those sites adopt policies that don't annoy their visitors. Firefox also has a popup blocker.

I've now started running a program called PeerGuardian that blocks IPs. You can whitelist and blacklist IPs and the company also updates several lists of IPs that are identified as coming from spammers, risky locations, universities. Occasionally it interferes with a server based program I actually do want to run and so I just whitelist the IP I want to allow or temporarily turn it off.

For email I find cleaning my mail before it gets to my inbox saves me from spending half an hour filtering Russian, Nigerian and Chinese spam. I whitelist from people I know I want mail from and let the program figure out everything else. I use Mailwasher. Do a search on it.

I have used two programs to clean my registry and my browsers of Spyware. Actually, I only use one right now and that is Adaware. There is a free version. I run it every week or so or after I think I've dirtied myself by diving too deep into Internet dreck.

If you suspect something is running on your computer that is an exploit, hit the CTRL-ALT DELETE and watch what processes are using up the CPU cycles on your machine. You can look up the names of processes you are unfamiliar with on the Internet and decide whether to kill it or not. Usually this bit of research will lead you to the steps to get rid of one annoyance or another.

Finally, you definitely need some form of antivirus but I hesitate to endorse programs that run ALL the time and scan your drive constantly.For that reason I've avoided using Norton since forever ( I heard they were getting out of home net security too). Instead I use a free antivirus program called AVG. I have it do a daily search every morning. I am on the west coast so by the time I go for work the viruses have already been out so AVG will have already updated its virus definitions. Do a search on that.

Ironically, the more people who switch to Mac the bigger a target the Mac will become for viruses.

There is nothing inherent about the Mac besides its low user base that makes it virus or exploit proof. Virus writers get their jollies seeing how far and wide (how successful) their nefarious project has spread. A virus writer whose goal is to bring down networks and generate infamy would hardly target the smallest user base just as a grafitti artist would hesitate to spraypaint in a desert or a terrorist launch a suicide attack on Iceland. No one would care.

Now if someone was able to target iPods, now there would be a huge hue and cry.

Wow, thanks to everyone so far--and you in particular, Keith. I always suspected that heavy duty utilities etc. tend to threaten the maximum efficiency of editing software and all that. I'm pretty well committed to the PC, so that's why I like gathering this info. :D

The top things to do in my opinion would be to:

A- Run Windows XP service pack 2 (not win2k, or win98). This version of Windows has Microsoft Antispyware available for it, and it has Windows SP2 firewall.
B- Use Microsoft Antispyware Beta... it will detect the various spyware programs out there and stop them from installing.
C- Use Windows SP2 firewall. Easy to use (with routers you may need to mess around with port forwarding), no problems/conflicts (unlike Norton, and to a lesser degree all the third-party firewalls), and the most widely supported.
D- Use an antivirus program like AVG Free, Avast (free), or NOD32 (commercial; scans fastest, and good track record).
E- Using Firefox will help too, as it is not as exploited as Internet Explorer.

Extra protection:
- Install Spyware Blaster. This passively protects you by stopping known nefarious sites from installing activeX controls.

The best thing you can do is get another computer for surfing the web and isolate your editing machine completely.

I think I would have to disagree about Mac not being a target because of the small user base.
If it were due to that reason, in my opinion, we would see at least 1 virus for Mac OS X that someone wrote. Macs have a huge professional user base, much more than regular home users and this would definitly be a target. As it now stands, there are around 18,000 viruses for Windows and 0 for Mac OS X. I'm not saying they're immune, but I think if someone was planning to write a Mac virus, they would have done it long ago.

Anyway (sorry to get off topic) the tips mentioned are great. Stay away from odd web pages, unknown emails and don't download things you don't need, especially freeware that often has a lot of spyware on it.

One tip I haven't seen mentioned is partitioning your hard drive. Since you're editing, I'm assuming you have at least 2 physical drives in your computer - one for video and one for everything else. I would split up the drive containing your OS into 2 partitions, one for all your documents and files and one for the OS and programs. That way if something does happen (crash, virus etc.) you just need to reinstall Windows and programs and all your stuff will be fine.
hope this helps

AVG free software can be obtained from www.grisoft.com. It runs in the background, upgrades regularly on its own, with an internet connection. I have used this on most of my systems for years, and have rarely had a virus problem.

Ad-Aware is also great for popups. It is a free program from http://www.lavasoft.de I run it if I have a pop up problem, and it usually resolves it.

Also look for the free Spybot-Search & Destroy. Finds destroys various spy programs.

These three seem to keep everything clean.

I have been on AOL since its inception, and the it has new protective software it provides is detecting any spy programs and adware. In fact, since that was introduced by AOL, I haven't been using the Ad-Aware or Spybot programs.

I think the most sound advice given so far is to keep the editing machine off the web. It negates the possibility of infections. Even with the absence of viruses in the MAC world, I put mine on the net only for program updates from Apple. It also eliminates the need to run a bunch of utilities that don't add to the editing workflow. (I use a Dell laptop for my surfing!)

Andrew, I believe you're correct about MAC viruses. The odds are overwhelming that someone wouldn't have taken a shot by now. There are other factors at work, not the least being the Unix-based operating system. Whatever the reason, the attempts haven't been successful, fortunately.

Barry, there is no reason not to stay in your comfort zone, which in this case is the Windows-based environment. And, there's been some pretty good advice given here for you to filter and use, as needed.

Last word on Macs and viruses. I promise. I was curious so I did a search.
I am NOT a Mac expert nor a virus expert. All I know is that someone has compiled a list of Mac viruses:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/computer-virus/macintosh-faq/

I don't know how current any of these are but it seems that at least some one out there has bothered to create viruses that threaten Macs.

Mac users should be aware of at least two ways that Macs could be threatened. 1) MacOS is now UNIX based. Do a search on UNIX and viruses. 2) MacOS has Java bundled which, like any runtime, can and has been a source for trojans and other exploits. 3) Any program that has a macro facility (I know Word is going away, btw).

And also since this thread is about SECURITY in general, we are not just talking about viruses, we are talking about hax, exploits, malware. There is no magic shield protecting one particular operating system over another. So patting yourself on the back because you have a smaller target doesn't mean your computer will not be harmed when someone decides to target that platform. So far, from what I've read, virus writers are simply ignoring Macs because they want to make the biggest splash.

Another article (albeit by a security company):
http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2003/07/va_mac2003.html ('http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2003/07/va_mac2003.html')

"Despite their cool designer looks, Apple Macs are failing to capture interest amongst the counter-culture which writes viruses," said Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant for Sophos Anti-Virus. "It's perfectly possible to write viruses for Apple Macs. Indeed, a Mac has no more inherent security when it comes to malware than a PC, but virus writers appear to be motivated by a desire to cause widespread havoc and so have concentrated on the market leader."

great advise from everyone, let me simplify a little bit: GET XP service pack 2 and get NOD 32 antivirus system. That is seriously all you need. Just try it out and get back to me.. It really is that simple..

By the way, I have a computer currently in repair due to a "corrupted Windows file." This is Windows XP. The machine could not boot all the way up. Sorry to say I had no updated security program (the reason I'm now revisiting the whole subject). I wonder if this was just an unfortunate software gitch or because some malevolent bug got through.

Unlikely. Could be a hard drive error.

What you need to do is boot up with the Windows XP installer disc in your CD and use it to repair.

what i use is the avg virus scanner and sygate personal firewall, both of which are free.

barry, your "corrupted windows file" would probably have been an easy fix, if you had backed up your windows systems files... typically that gets done with a fresh install of windows, after you have installed all of your computing applications as well... that is also a good time to make up a bootable cd disk, customized to whatever is installed on your pc.

windows can back those system files up if you know how, but you can do it easier with spybot, which also does a decent job of cleaning out most of the spyware on your pc... it won't get the most sophisticated spyware and viruses, but neither will anything else... a combo of spyware apps is usually what's required to clean up a computer, along with booting the pc up in safe mode... i ended up having to isolate some polymorphic items with killbox, which deletes 'em when you first boot up.

less than 3% of the computers on the 'net are macs, which is why nobody bothers writing viruses for 'em... there's simply no r.o.i. in it.

My editing PC is also used for video editing and, occasionally, (gasp!) gaming.

I used to turn off my antivirus software and firewall while editing, but I don't bother anymore. It just doesn't seem to make any difference, even when capturing video. Nowadays, I actually browse the web and even watch videos from DVinfo members while Premiere is batch-capturing DV, and I never got a dropped frame. I use 2.4GHz PC with 2GB RAM. So unless you PC is much older, I don't think it's an issue. The only time I'll turn everything off is when I do long renders in AE.

Speak of the devil.

16 February 2006
World's first OS X virus hits Apple

http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?NewsID=5392

By John E. Dunn, Techworld

Apple’s Mac OS X software has been hit by a mischievous instant messaging virus – the first ever to target the platform.

The virus, dubbed Leap-A by anti-virus company Sophos, is said to spread using Apple’s iChat IM service, forwarding itself as a file called “latestpics.tgz” to an infected user’s buddy contacts.

Clicking on the file allows the malware to install and disguise itself as a harmless-seeming Jpeg icon.

Leap-A is believed to have originally been posted on a website for Apple users, posing as a software update. Although the virus is benign, and is not believed to be spreading in large numbers, it still marks a minor landmark for a platform that has come to be seen in some quarters as immune to such mundane security issues.

“It’s probably been written for publicity or as a proof-of-concept,” said Graham Cluley of Sophos. "Some owners of Mac computers have held the belief that Mac OS X is incapable of harbouring computer viruses, but Leap-A will leave them shell-shocked, as it shows that the malware threat on Mac OS X is real," he said.
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Hmmmm......no wonder I don't do the IM thing!

That should knock us smug MAC-types down a few pegs....!

Macfixit has a pretty good write-up on this as well as how to avoid it.

http://www.macfixit.com/

Actually, it is called rm-my-mac (if you are not a unix guy, look up "rm -r").


Winner mocks OS X hacking contest
Gaining root access to a Mac is "easy pickings," according to an individual who won an OS X hacking challenge last month by gaining root control of a machine using an unpublished security vulnerability.

... The hacker who won the challenge, who asked ZDNet Australia to identify him only as "Gwerdna," said he gained root control of the Mac in less than 30 minutes.

From Zdnet: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6046197.html

Lot's of good advice in this thread, the best of which is to avoid putting your editing computer on the Internet to begin with. Or you can do as I have done, which is partition the hard drive and dual boot. One Windows install is for editing, with the minimal apps necessary for that task, and no anti-malware apps to glut things up. The other Windows install is for office/e-mail, and is protected by the necessary anti-malware programs.


When I surf I use both IE and Firefox because I develop websites and need to see it on both browsers. Plus I find sometimes Firefox is a bit slow for certain things. Anyway, for the paranoid I recommend Firefox.
I personally recommend Netscape 8 (http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/). It's based on Firefox, but one can switch to the IE engine inside of it if need be for a Web site without having to launch IE separate. Plus, it automatically adjusts security settings according to constantly updated blacklists/whitelists, and now with the new 8.1 release it scans downloads for spyware.

The net installer for Netscape offers to install third-party extras you likely don’t want. They are easy to skip, but I’ll give you a direct link to the full installer that won’t bother you with them in the first place. Get it here: ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape8/english/8.1/windows/win32/nsb-install-8-1.exe


Finally, you definitely need some form of antivirus but I hesitate to endorse programs that run ALL the time and scan your drive constantly.
I don't. I wouldn't set foot on the Internet without antivirus running. It is too easy to get hit with a virus, especially with the new ones coming out so fast and thick now.


For that reason I've avoided using Norton since forever ( I heard they were getting out of home net security too).
I seriously doubt it, as I believe NAV is the top selling home antivirus program right now. In fact, Symantic is right now readying their own subscription based security service to take on Microsoft's Windows OneCare. (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6034127.html)


Instead I use a free antivirus program called AVG. I have it do a daily search every morning. I am on the west coast so by the time I go for work the viruses have already been out so AVG will have already updated its virus definitions. Do a search on that.
Until very recently I believed AVG was a decent free antivirus app, until I saw the results of the most recent PC World antivirus tests (http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,124475,00.asp). According to the tests, AVG was dead last (http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,124490,00.asp). Of the free antivirus programs, AntiVir was the best (http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,124487,00.asp). Still, the free programs had rather disappointing performance compared with the best commercial products.

ZoneAlarm Antivirus was PC World's world-class winner in antivirus apps last year. However, PC World claimed it would take too long to evaluate it's behavior based detection for this test (it uses traditional signature based detection along with behavior based detection Zone Labs' has dubbed the "OSFirewall").

Antivirus is not a place to skimp. In fact, with all the baddies out there now antivirus alone is not enough anymore. One now needs antivirus, firewall, and antispyware software. The best and easiest solution an integrated security suite. Currently, the two best ones are probably the McAfee Internet Security Suite 2006 (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1861243,00.asp), and ZoneAlarm Security Suite 6.0 (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1836241,00.asp). The Norton Internet Security suite is good, too, except it has a tendency to bog the computer down.

I didn't know about the AVG low ratings, Christopher. I'll be sure to check out some of the other programs recommended in your post.

anyone here try nod32? if you run hardcore apps and can't afford system resources for antivirus programs, try out Nod32. takes up minimal system resources, performs way better than any other antivirus program and is very minimal. If you don't like minimalistic, non-userfriendly programs, then its not for you. Its a bit weird to understand, but boy does it work well. I highly highly recomend it. Set Nod32 on your rig and forget about viruses/trojans/spywares, etc

I will add to the pile. The recently announce Mac virus is the first OS X virus. There have been others, but they just don't get spread far and wide because of the population. There have been many vulnerabilities that are not viruses, just a way to attack or take control of part of the system, including inject spyware. I don't know of a current running OS that could not be compromised while network attached and poorly administered.

So, if you have a DSL or cable modem, get a hardware firewall between you and it. They can be purchased for less than $50usd. That will stop a majority of the network attacks. If you use a browser, e-mail, or instant messenger on the set, add a A-V/Anti-spyware package. The system drag is minimal. A local firewall on your computer should also be considered if you have wireless networking on your network or allow other folks to attach to your network (worms are usually stopped by a firewall, but if an infected computer can get behind it, it cannot stop it. - yes, I said usually - I know of proof of concept stuff that is designed to penetrate firewalls, but it is not targeted at home users, just poor corporate implementations of non-patched components by the hacker elite.)

Edit - just found this in my tech haunt today Mac OS X hack challenge - 30 minutes (http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html?tag=blog)

A local firewall on your computer should also be considered if you have wireless networking on your network or allow other folks to attach to your network
I also highly recommend a hardware firewall. But I also believe a software firewall is a very good idea as well, and not just if you are on a wireless network. The reason being a hardware firewall only filters incoming traffic. A good software firewall also filters outgoing traffic, essential for blocking Trojan horses and other malware that phones home from your computer.

I have a Linksys router for my VoiP phone. Does this mean I don't need a firewall, or anti-virus software?? Could the person who implied that please explain. Also, should all antivirus and/or firewall software be disabled before capturing video?? Thanks...

I have a Linksys router for my VoiP phone. Does this mean I don't need a firewall, or anti-virus software?? Could the person who implied that please explain.
Both Linksys VoIP routers have SPI (Stateful Packet Inspection) (http://www.homenethelp.com/router-guide/features-firewall.asp) firewalls, so you don't absolutely have to have a software firewall. However, as I mentioned earlier, I still recommend a good software firewall, as it would monitor outgoing connections from your computer.

Also, a firewall, whether hardware based (as in your router) or software based, is no substitute for antivirus software. You need both. Nowadays you also need antispware software (though it sounds like McAfee antivirus does a decent job of detecting spyware).

[QUOTE=Daniel Manasia]Also, should all antivirus and/or firewall software be disabled before capturing video?? Thanks...
It's generally a good idea to do so, at least the antivirus. However, if you are not behind a hardware firewall, DO NOT TURN OFF YOUR SOFTWARE FIREWALL! I can't stress this enough. There are worms that are constantly scanning the Internet, looking to connect to and infect unprotected computers. I believe I read that successful infections of unprotected computers connected to the Internet is now under one minute. Disabling antivirus for the short time you're capturing is fine, as long as you are behind a firewall or disconnected from the Internet. Oh, yes, and as long as your e-mail program isn't checking for new e-mail.

By the way, I just wanted to let you all know about a couple great deals going on now for the ZoneAlarm Security Suite and McAfee Internet Security Suite. Microcenter has a special right now where you can get the ZoneAlarm Security Suite for $10 after rebates (normally it sells for $50-60). See it here: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0226948. NOTE: One of the rebates requires a previous version of any McAfee or Norton program.

As for the McAfee security suite, Buy.com is currently running a special where you can get it for free after rebates (normally it sells for $60). See it here: http://www.buy.com/prod//q/loc/1871/201904185.html. NOTE: As with the ZoneAlarm suite, one of the rebates requires a previous version of any McAfee or Norton program.