Hi people,

I am very interested in knowing how this clip was created, what type of cam can do this job as well as what editing techniques are implimented in this clip....

http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/finalists/film/flv/04005.htm

here is my guess,

-Canon Xl 1 or any 24fps cam
-Relevant lighting in the scene
(editing the gamma and contrast????)

Would i be able to do this using FINAL CUT STUDIO 5?

I would appreciate if you guys can help me out :>

Thanks
Joey

that clip is kinda creepy

Basic lightning with any good cam can accomplish this

And yes you can cut it with FCP, or just about any NLE PC or Mac

-Canon Xl 1 or any 24fps cam
-Relevant lighting in the scene
(editing the gamma and contrast????)


Just for knowledge, the XL1 isn't a 24p cam. The XL2 is.

The P.O.V. of the cam is why this looks like film. Production values period. As for the edit techniques to get the story told well, there are none. All are cuts that respect the producer/director's storyboard.

By default the lighting design is perfect.

24p or 25f pal ... compressed to the net at either 24 or 15 fps ... film looking clip is the result.

A camera or editing program had nothing to do with this clip. It is professional high-end lighting and set-design. With that much producion I doubt it was shot on anything less than a Varicam...



ash =o)

To default that clip to Varicam+ status is ignorant. When projected in a web feed environment you can't judge at all. I could post 1chip DV at 15fps at 320x240 and have the look the same.

Wow thanks for the reply people :)

just a few questions here...

what is P.O.V??? is the Varicam the Panasonic one that is 60 000$ + ???

What cam would u recommend me buying???

-XL2 24fps or other?

What resolution should i shoot at:
-320:240 or 720 x 1280

What kind of lighting system I should purchase???

As for editing i have FCP studio

Should i invest into accessories such as Dolly, mics, filters and so forth?
Thanks people;)
JOey

Wow thanks for the reply people :)

just a few questions here...

what is P.O.V??? is the Varicam the Panasonic one that is 60 000$ + ???

What cam would u recommend me buying???

-XL2 24fps or other?

What resolution should i shoot at:
-320:240 or 720 x 1280

What kind of lighting system I should purchase???

As for editing i have FCP studio

Should i invest into accessories such as Dolly, mics, filters and so forth?
Thanks people;)
JOey

Point of view.

As for everything below, try to use the search function on this page or within the XL2 portion for very complete reviews on all the assorted gear. Your list of questions would require many paragraphs ... time for the research!

If you want to make something of this calibre you'll need a pretty good budget.

I don't think you need mics for this shot, it had not dialogue or sound effects!

If you want to shoot 1280x720 you'll need to get at least an HD10U. If you have the money just get one of the new HD cams (H1,HD100U,HVX).

For 24p in SD you can get either the XL2 or DVX100A.

I personally think you can achieve this kind of professional look with any 3 CCD camera (and all the prod values). You don't need 24p.

Lighting setups are complicated and expensive so I doubt you can find an easy answer for that.

As Jimmy said, look around the forum and you'll find lots of useful info.

Weird... I replied to this but it vanished... There is no 1CCD camera on earth that has the depth of field, color rendition or range exhibited in this clip. This is either a 2/3" CCD camera or a 1/3" CCD with a mini35 adapter.

Again, this is about production value, you cant just buy the gear and make it look like this, you have to have an art director, set design, light design, etc. etc. etc.



ash =o)

I'd say 35mm (film, not video) Cut with Avid - color corrected by a pro.
Atleast 50K budget.. But I'd go for 100-300K budget. (This is a guess)

Andreas is correct.

35mm. With a great colorist. Most likely a budget north of $100k

that clip is kinda creepy

I have to agree with this.... it was cool at first, but the whole tranny thing at the end.... hmmm

I have to agree with this.... it was cool at first, but the whole tranny thing at the end.... hmmm

Cmon guys, we're in the 21st century. You got be a bit more open minded than that. I'm not gay and I thought the idea was genius!


35mm... maybe, but with the tiny resolution we're seeing the clip at it's impossible to tell exactly. I'm pretty sure that any pro DV camera can handle something like this...

I would assume film by default as well but since it was posted here I thought maybe it was known to be from digital source... besides I got called ignorant for saying it was a Varicam and not a 1CCD DV Cam!



ash =o)

35mm... maybe, but with the tiny resolution we're seeing the clip at it's impossible to tell exactly. I'm pretty sure that any pro DV camera can handle something like this...

I'm judging by everything BUT resolution. Color rendition. Perceived latitude. 10+ years working in commercial (spot) film production and knowledge of when and why film is used over video.

Sure, an F900 or Varicam could have gotten the image most of the way to what the clip looked like, but when that much money is spent on everything else, HD is very rarely used.

I could also be wrong. But I'll bet lunch it was 35.

WOW... i love to see many thoughts and ideas going around...

Personaly I found this clip fantastic, the amount of space between the camera and the Tranny guy decives the spectator... its brilliant...

You guys are 100% right about its more a Production Value.. of course there is a great amount of mise en scene, d.o.p, lighting and so forth...

In terms of camera i have read some posts in the forums.. some say that XL2 even XL1 is a great cam to shoot cinematic clips and so on... HD i guess just gives a more sharp image... But do i really need HD for what i want to do???

I will read on lighting equipment -

What im mostly intersted in is
-24fps
-cinematic look
-wide screen 16:9
-great color (i guess, im not sure if that makes sense)

Ahh im not to sure what the significance of I (interlace) or P (Progressive) is in a camera. I've tried to search for that but was not able to find anything :<

I love when i log on and i read many posts its so awesome to have such community inwhich one can benefit from.

Thanks again,
Joey

OK Ash, I guess I should claify. My point wasn't directed soley at you. My apologies. I was just playing the devil's advocate.
My point is that it is obvious it is a high budget spot. Massive lighting, camera motion and of couse the name brand product they were advertising were all dead give aways they used a high-end cam. My point was given the specs of the clip we viewed, 320x180? 15fps, highly compressed, that a much lesser cam (given skill, during shoot and post) could substitute very well when downsampled.

But dont you agree that 35mm film or even a Varicam will look better at 320X240 than a 1CCD DV cam? Even forgetting everything but the range and DOF would lead one to believe it is a larger chip HD cam if not film.

Back to the original poster though... in essence you have watched the Winter Xtreme games on ESPN and asked what snowboard you need to buy in order to do the stunts you saw... Obviously, there is a WHOLE lot more to it than that...



ash =o)

hahaha Ash that was a good post haha regarding the snowboard ;)

No, your absouletly right, its more of a production value and skill as oppose to " Ohh i got the equipement now i can do the same style of film " its common sense everyone needs to practice in order to better improve... From the readings i did on the site regarding the 35mm, Varicam and 1ccd - I agree with you on the 35mm is a better choice.

Today i pretty much spent close to 6 hours just reading posts on all kinds of stuff from what type of Cam would be good for the films i want to make - to what Monitor I should use...

I must say the more i log onto to this forum the more im addicted to read people's posts... This is kinda new for me and its a fantastic way to educate myself on the technical side.

And right now im reading on WideScreen 16:9

Greatly appreciate every single post
Joey :>

She was hot. I mean, he was hot. I mean, she was...

Now I'm just confused.

That was a first rate professional production all the way and absolutely positively was not 'Basic lightning with any good cam can accomplish this'

Basic lighting ?

yeah - agree about it being wierd. Other than that, I would say this is possible using a higher end 3CCD cam, but what I'm seeing, as mentioned, looks more like film with an excellent lighting designer at work and enough of a budget to shoot in whichever building that was - I wouldn't call it "basic" lighting since it does look like an extremely expensive setup.
As to whether or not it could be done on a prosumer camera, I think it can be if the lighting is that great. But if you can afford that setup, you'll probably be shooting film anyway.
If you go to the site - radicalmedia.com, they have an impressive list of clients - it's a very well known advertising company with a big budget to do what they want.

Joey, I could probably write a book answering all the questions you ask but the fact that you show interest in the field means you've just opened a new door to yourself and learning an art like video or film will take time. I would continue reading on the different things that interest you and perhaps once you decide on a camera that you think suits you, ask questions about it in the dedicated forum for that camera or any other gear you're thinking about.

Well Done fellas!

I knew from the first time I saw the clip it was an expensive set... without a doubt.... I do not have a budge close to that ;) hahaha however im learning from all you guys who post amazing information.. so thanks for that... :)

And let's put this post to rest - I dont want to annoy more people with this post...

I just thought it was a brilliant clip and I wanted to share it with people and get some information regarding the production side....

Well done people :>

Thanks so much!
Joey :)~

the spot reminds me of 1980's Ridley Scotts spots but without Ridleys sense lighting, stlyle , set design ...

the spot just doesn't have the "lighting" to take it out of ordinary .. a few of the set/rooms keep it out of extra-ordinary ... overall i'd rate it as like Ridley Scott with a labotomy ... IMO the possibility was there to have it extra ordinary ( primo) BUT ........