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Douglas Spotted Eagle January 19th, 2006, 10:01 AM This looks pretty damn cool but the limitations of SD cards make the recording time kinda sucky:
"To give you an idea what you can record on a 2GB SD, in the best setting (HD-SHQ) you can record 28 minutes and 45 seconds"
I guess it's not a big deal though.
That's still 18 minutes more than you can record with 2 P2 cards which cost more than a handful of Sanyo cams. (Substantially different format, but the point is that folks seem to be fine with recording 8 minutes at a time)
Jung Kyu January 19th, 2006, 10:27 AM 28min is enough for me..i would probaly use laptop directly to camera casue it supports usb 2.0
this is nice clip of hdr-a1 upscale to 1920x1080
http://videopage.net/morita/Hi_Vision/8M_fujiwara.wmv
Kurth Bousman January 19th, 2006, 11:13 AM ok - got it to play ! oh man , if you had told me a month ago my next camcorder would be a Sanyo , I'd have laughed. Not laughing now. The cards are no issue to me considering they're good for about 50,000 offloads. I rarely shoot more than an hour at a time anyway. I'd start with one 4g and one 2g. If only Jean Cocteau was alive today , he'd be a happy man. Kurth
Philip Williams January 19th, 2006, 01:47 PM 28min is enough for me..i would probaly use laptop directly to camera casue it supports usb 2.0
this is nice clip of hdr-a1 upscale to 1920x1080
http://videopage.net/morita/Hi_Vision/8M_fujiwara.wmv
Are you kidding? I just downloaded and watched the whole thing. I just want to confirm this: that was shot with the new 720P Sanyo camcorder? The one that's going to retail for $799 in the US?
Patrick Jenkins January 19th, 2006, 03:00 PM $10 says that this little cam is the holy grail for us indies.
Bob Curnow January 19th, 2006, 03:01 PM I think that particular shot was taken with the sony A1 CMOS HDV camcorder.
Bob C
Anhar Miah January 19th, 2006, 04:08 PM Thanks Bob you just saved me from downloading that monster ~700MB yikes !
Please note to all that clip is the Sony A1 HDV NOT the Sanyo
Anhar
Keith Wakeham January 19th, 2006, 06:05 PM It definetly does seem like a fairly good setup for indies to use depending on the level of manual control. But Like I said before some serious potential for major modifications to this little cam for serious indie movie making.
Unlike the Bayonet mount for the FX1, in the case of a major screwup in trying to do some werid modifications that involve major dissassembly, your only out 800 dollars rather than several thousand.
If this thing delievers half decent quality then it should be a hit.
Wayne Morellini January 19th, 2006, 10:58 PM Guys have a look at the following threads, lots of information:
Panasonic HD prototypes:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=58564
Samsung HD h264 camera with 17-19Mb/s.
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=58261
Ambarella full h264 chip, note the extreme low datarate needed for p60 and the quoted:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=58391
The JVC Camera, one article says it will do 1080 as well (but could be just an error) but, it seems, that it will still sue HDV:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52319
Other threads on the Sanyo:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57556
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57340
Please note, that the Samsung is said to have uncompressed HDMI output, around 17-19Mb/s.
Have a look for the comparison of transcode performance between Mpeg2, WMV, and h264 Mpeg4.
H264 (I don't know about Mpeg4) has the ability to mask blocking.
Wayne Morellini January 19th, 2006, 11:01 PM like i said before, it's the windows media format, however, it's been encoded at an insanely high bitrate, something like 8 mbps, which is a comparable bitrate to the mpeg2 used for dvd's.
Is it available in native mpeg4, thats only 6 or 9Mb/s, would get rid of any artifacts and is nearly the same datarate?
How about giving this camera its own category? There's a lot of us who would use this camera as our PRIMARY one for the extreme sports we're involved in. (In my case, I shoot backpacking videos and always need the lightest tool available.) Instead of dissing it as a toy or as falling beneath some unstated spec that nobody can define, let's give it all the support we can muster.
Yes, an "Shooters Preferred Second Camera (second, backup, special purpose and stunt cameras)" forum would be good, as a general place for these cameras, but what about "Solid State/Hard Drive mpeg4/h264 cameras", instead?
Jung Kyu January 20th, 2006, 12:06 AM yes.. the whole clip is sony hdr-a1
hdr-hc1 also can perform Similar to this.
this clip is converted to canopus hq codec 4:2:2 and upscale to 1920x1080
http://videopage.net/morita/Hi_Vision/8M_fujiwara.wmv
Jef Bryant January 20th, 2006, 12:22 AM Very much looking forward to seeing user tests and straight footage from this little camera.
I am a bit heartbroken that there apparently will be no european 25p version.
Also wondering if there is a filter thread on the lens. Perhaps the WA adapter is proprietary? That would also be unfortunate.
Looks pretty good otherwise, though!
Thomas Richter January 20th, 2006, 02:59 AM Yes, I'm very heartbroken, too. This would have been - as stated before - the perfect lens hack victim.
Just imagin adapting it to Bolex or Beaulieu 16mm c-mount threads and using some nice little 16mm primes on them.
Like a Schneider Kreuznach 1:0.95 25mm
Hellooooo DOF!
And it would look so cool (the 16mm primes are pretty small as well, would keep the form factor).
If the pixels on the 1/2,5 " 5 MP Sensor are too small to have microlens in front of them, the Sanyo may tolerate the wide apperture and this plan could work.
But maybe manufacturing is so advanced now that they can build such a small microlens structure. This would be good for the picture with the build in lens, but very bad for my purpose.
Hse Kha January 20th, 2006, 03:17 AM Well finally I managed to see the sample clip. Instead of right clicking and saving as, I had to left click it and open it in WMP. That tricked worked. Thanks.
Now to the footage - WOW! Amazing. Incredible colors, better than any 1 chiper I have seen. And the resolution is amazing as well.
Yes there are artifacts. BUT remeber that this is a VC1 encoded clip and so we don't know which atifacts are associated with which enoding, since it was encoded twice - first by the camera and then by whoever coverted to clip to WMV.
BUT Is this a prank? I mean seriously, how do we know that the Sanyo was really used for this clip??? It looks way too good. Maybe it is not a prank but an error and it is the footage of the Panasonic P2 HD Camera?
Serge Victorovich January 20th, 2006, 06:02 AM Original *.mp4 (not reencoded!) clip 1280x720p30 from Sanyo HD1 exist?
Anhar Miah January 20th, 2006, 08:15 AM Ok, I think we might be jumping the Gun on this one, sure its a great little camera no disputes there, however for any real inde use I personally can not see it happen, perhaps others may do wonderful things with this camera.
Anhar
Wayne Morellini January 20th, 2006, 08:59 AM Just managed to download it, but can't get that WMV format to play properly (works best at 50% speed and drops the ball again at 25%, odd). I had little trouble playing the other HD1 native Mpeg4 clip though, any chance that we could get to see the original, there are a few things I would like to see if Mpeg4 is causing them?
Was this shout in 9Mbps mode or 6Mbps 720p camera mode?
Ok, poor latitude, but might be caused by the codec/player. Seen the dark pants blocking too, maybe also in the face. Sanyo could fix this with firmware change (worth contacting them to let them know). Noticed that big movements, like the hand, the hairs all blur out, codec or low frame rate? Hard to tell, could be media player. Otherwise I am impressed at what they can fit in 9Mbps, but I think h264 at 18-25Mbps would do.
I have found that if you turn use overlays off in the player you get a more natural colour playback, and the edge of colour regions don't appear to change so harshly. There is also a selection on the MS player that turns off video smoothing.
Jung, thanks for putting up the video.
Wayne.
Kurth Bousman January 20th, 2006, 09:13 AM Lens hacking would only affect the res not the dof. Might be a cool camera for an adapter however.Kurth
Serge Victorovich January 20th, 2006, 09:15 AM Wayne, try last build MediaPlayerClassic6.4.8.7 or VLC player
Wayne Morellini January 20th, 2006, 09:57 AM Lens hacking would only affect the res not the dof. Might be a cool camera for an adapter however.Kurth
You might, if you can increase the aperture with a SLR lens through a condenser arrangement.
Wayne, try last build MediaPlayerClassic6.4.8.7 or VLC player
Thanks. Have latest VLC, and WMP, but native mpeg4 works many times better than WMP.
Thomas Richter January 21st, 2006, 05:35 AM Yes SLR and condenser is possible, I was thinking of something else:
If you can replace the original lens with a mount for prime lenses, you will get a shallower depth of field IF the primes have very wide apertures (wider than the build in lens).
One example is the Drake cam (see Alternative Imaging methods). They get very shallow 35mm style DOF with a 2/3" sensor using primes with very wide apertures. The only reason they can do this, is because the sensor doesn't have a microlens-array in front of the silicone.
But I don't want to extend this discussion too far. Just imagining how cool this little cam would be with small but fully manual lens for 16mm cameras on it.
Les Dit January 21st, 2006, 05:42 AM Sorry to tell you, but you can't change the DOF without a ground glass or other intermediate focal plane between the lens and the sensor.
It's just not possible to change DOF with any combination of just lens's.
I doubt that the Sanyo is stopped down much either. They want all the light they can get. So hoping that a F1.2 lens would help is probably
futile. But when you get the Sanyo, are you *really* going to hack it's lens off? Really?
-Les
Thomas Richter January 21st, 2006, 06:30 AM Les, you are right. If it comes with a 1.2 lens, it makes no sense at all.
I think I am creating a bit of a misunderstanding. Obviously, the DOF of the camera won't change. What would chance would be the maximum aperture of the lens. That's what I was referring to. The picture of a 1/2,5" imaging sensor at 1.2 would probably have the same DOF as a 35mm film (not photo) stopped down to 8. (Not calculated, just an estimate - I can calculate precisely if requested).
I would have hacked if the following three conditions:
1) PAL version with 25p
2) Aperture of build-in lens >= 1.8
3) live video out (to monitor on an external LCD screen)
As 1) is probably not going to materialise, its purely hypothetical. Anyway, if someone would like to join my dreaming, feel free to email me.
Wayne Morellini January 22nd, 2006, 08:27 AM Here is a conversation I am having with the akihabaranews guy, about the camera, he is waiting for a review unit.
http://forum.akihabaranews.com/viewtopic.php?t=6872&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
Jung, any chance we can get a copy of that footage in the cameras native format (Media player does nasty things to footage quality, as can be seen from that trans-codec review I posted earlier)?
Thanks
Wayne.
Jony Upper January 30th, 2006, 03:41 PM Hello all,
with this links you can get the original movie files.
http://china.nikkeibp.co.jp/china/image2006/01/060116baby.MP4
http://china.nikkeibp.co.jp/china/image2006/01/060116child.MP4
The quality seems much better.
Serge Victorovich January 31st, 2006, 07:25 AM Jony Upper, danke! Nice samples:)
Jef Bryant February 1st, 2006, 01:02 AM Yes, thanks very much for posting those. I fooled around with them for a bit in After Effects. Looks good on an SD screen, and good on my CRT.
The auto-exposure looks a little "steppy."
Wayne Morellini February 6th, 2006, 04:44 AM Had a look at those clips, which I assume are unprocessed originals. Better, can still see the problem on the black trousers and faces (more evident if you put the brightness down and contrast up) and anti aliasing. Is it my imagination, or is motion better than we expected. On the woman walking in front of the child left to right just after the yellow balloon appears you can see a lot of blocking on the head, and other areas of movement, even slow movement on mouth, but on others very little. Things that move don't seem to blur out unless they are moving fast enough (except maybe the newspaper text/hairs) to form blur in the shutter interval. The latitude problem is not really improved.
Fast panning, waves and low light shots would tell a lot of what's left.
A great consumer camera, certainly makes Flash cameras more viable for consumers. If this had came out a few years ago we would want one. I'll wait for higher bit rate h264 cameras.
Wayne Morellini February 7th, 2006, 05:06 AM Re-edit: I forgot to mention about the motion blur, that I don't know for certain that it isn't still there, because VLC won't zoom the video on this system.
Jamie Whitham February 7th, 2006, 04:15 PM I see the price has dropped on eBay down to £488 including shipping to UK.....
I have a 4GB MMCPlus card which should hold more like a DV tape worth of video, anyone any idea if they work in it?
Cheers
Jamie
Rafael del Campo Garcia February 8th, 2006, 05:17 AM Well. I have a Xacti C1 (first model) and it works ok with mmc. Never tried 4gb model.
Im planing to buy the HD1 shortly. The C1 is a little toy but i have enjoyed a lot this camera. Is always with me in my pocket. The video quality of course is poor, but sometimes you only want to capture a special moment to remeber it later, and quality is not as important in that situations.
Is ready to shot in a half second, the battery lasts a lot. (You can easily record 2 hours of video without charging). The menus are clear and fast to navigate.
I hope that the new Xacti will be the same in this aspects.
pd: Anyone wants a cheap C1? ; )
Robert Jackson February 8th, 2006, 12:53 PM Has anyone seen the specs on the compression format for this camera? Is it just a variation on H.263? I'm kind of wondering how much color information they're able to get into a format that compressed. To me the footage looks amazing for something that came out of a camera the size of a cell phone.
Dave Ferdinand February 8th, 2006, 01:54 PM The footage looks amazing, however there's more to a 'pro' camera than image quality.
Let's just hope they release a prosumer version with lots of control and options.
I just don't see anyone making mildly serious films with a tiny piece like this!
Robert Jackson February 8th, 2006, 02:27 PM The footage looks amazing, however there's more to a 'pro' camera than image quality.
Let's just hope they release a prosumer version with lots of control and options.
I just don't see anyone making mildly serious films with a tiny piece like this!
Heh...whatever. People made serious films with cameras that only had a crank and a lens. You probably wouldn't use something like this for narrative fiction, but I've already preordered one. I'm doing a documentary right now on the nuclear industry and a lot of times it's been a hassle getting bulky gear into the places I want to shoot. Something like this could always be in my jacket. I imagine I'll get a ton of mileage out of it.
Dave Ferdinand February 8th, 2006, 04:03 PM Well, I mentioned *serious films*, not industrial or any other type of documentary. Besides if this cam is always in full auto you're quite limited in what you can achieve.
Robert Jackson February 8th, 2006, 04:26 PM Well, I mentioned *serious films*, not industrial or any other type of documentary. Besides if this cam is always in full auto you're quite limited in what you can achieve.
Well, you can manually set focus points, ISO and white balance. It's not complete control by any stretch of the imagination, but if you know enough about how the camera works I'm sure you can "achieve" quite a bit, as the examples posted have already shown.
Dave Ferdinand February 8th, 2006, 07:58 PM The examples posted here don't resemble in the slightest a film production.
Just face it: no manual control and quick-access buttons and you're left with a toy camera. Consumer yes, PROsumer, don't think so. And if that wasn't the case nobody would bother wasting $3k+ on XL2s, Z1s, DVXs, etc.
They have the technology, just give us a semi-pro version, that's all I'm asking.
Robert Jackson February 8th, 2006, 08:20 PM The examples posted here don't resemble in the slightest a film production.
Just face it: no manual control and quick-access buttons and you're left with a toy camera. Consumer yes, PROsumer, don't think so. And if that wasn't the case nobody would bother wasting $3k+ on XL2s, Z1s, DVXs, etc.
They have the technology, just give us a semi-pro version, that's all I'm asking.
Heh...don't take this so personally. The camera is the size of a cell phone. It's not being marketed to people shooting a feature. And yet it has some manual controls and apparently delivers excellent quality for a small, pocket camera.
And FWIW, the examples from a Viper or a Varicam don't "resemble in the slightest a film production." Digital doesn't look like film. I love my Olympus E-1, but you're never going to mistake my RAW files for film.
In addition to that, small chips all look pretty crappy. I know that might be a point of contention with some people, but IMO the differences in quality between a $5k 720p camera and the examples posted from the HD-1 are notable, but not nearly as notable as the differences I see in footage I shoot on Super-8mm and footage I shoot on 35mm. That's a night and day difference. This? Not so much.
For a "toy camera", Sanyo is apparently delivering a product that can hold its own with much more expensive cameras. And delivering it at a price that makes it practical to have a couple of them sitting around in addition to whatever uber-prosumer stuff you also have sitting around. I think it's way cool. I'm sure there are all kinds of drawbacks to shooting with it. It will probably be prone to flare and artifacting in harsh contrast and pixelating during shots featuring a lot of motion and all kinds of things that will make it totally impractical for shooting big-budget action film, but in certain applications it will undoubtedly be indistinguishable from a $5k prosumer camera. The smart man will be finding out what those applications are and using things like this in ways that show off its strengths.
Kurth Bousman February 8th, 2006, 10:29 PM Obviously you guys haven't seen " The Celebration " or Festen , dir. by Thomas Vinterberg in 1998. Won the Cannes Jury award , nominated for the Golden Palm shot with a sony pc3 one-chip matchbook palmcorder. Checkout this link>
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0154420/awards
Doesn't make a diddleysquat what camera you shoot a masterpiece on. If Fellini or Kubrick only had this camera to shoot their films , we'd still have great films. When will this concept sink in ? Truth is , if you get lost chasing the technology you never arrive at the art. That said , these new small formfactor cameras are a boon to any kind of genre if they find themseves used in the right hands. Kurth
Robert Jackson February 8th, 2006, 10:51 PM Doesn't make a diddleysquat what camera you shoot a masterpiece on. If Fellini or Kubrick only had this camera to shoot their films , we'd still have great films. When will this concept sink in ? Truth is , if you get lost chasing the technology you never arrive at the art. That said , these new small formfactor cameras are a boon to any kind of genre if they find themseves used in the right hands. Kurth
Nicely said, man. Stan Brakhage made his landmark films on cheap gear. When his 16mm gear was stolen he used 8mm for a while. It isn't the gear that defines the filmmaker. And in the case of something like this Sanyo with so much potential and at a price point where so many people can afford it, I think discouraging the use of these little cameras is almost a sin.
"Nah, it may be 720p, but you don't want it, man! It ain't got a Waterhouse singularity or an Ebson drive. Just won't do at all..."
Kurth Bousman February 8th, 2006, 11:00 PM thanks-Kurth
Wayne Morellini February 9th, 2006, 04:37 AM While I don't suggest that this camera is pro quality, it is certainly better than nothing, or probably many Mini-DV cameras. It has many manual features for a camera of the size/type, but if you want full manual control than just put a slr/film lens adaptor on it, lock everything all the auto's, and off you go. I think the camera is a step in the right direction, h264 higher bit rate is the next step.
I hear people saying the stuff about content versus film quality a fair bit, but the truth is that a good image makes a good film look twice as good, but a great image only makes being bored by bad content, tolerable. So yes, go for the best you can conveniently get for the moment. I am looking forward to seeing what the higher bit-rate h264 cameras have to offer.
Kurth Bousman February 9th, 2006, 10:24 AM Wayne - you're right about getting the best quality that's "conveniently" available at the moment, however a high resolution image never , ever helped to make bad content "tolerable". Maybe if it was great cinematography then that would be one element that could help bad content , but just the quality of the image, sorry .
About the Samsung (H.264) coming down the pikes , agreed. It will " probably" be better than the Sanyo. Samsung is taking off. They just released a new dslr. I'm certain they're ready to butt heads with the big guys. I want a smallform camera . I doubt if it will be the Sanyo. However , in a year ( I can wait that long ) if pany and sony come out with their own , and then Sanyo drops to $400 , then , well , who knows, esp. if this camera performs well enough.
I've always been in agreement with Cocteau , when he said filmmaking will be an art when the cost is equal to drawing , i.e. a pencil and paper. The most compelling content I've seen , and I watch alot , in the past 10 years is Bill Viola's " The Passing ". It was made using hi8 and s8 cameras. Robert mentions Brakhage. Another case in point, like Mcclaren, Mekas , Snow , Campus, etc. etc , all of the experimental work in 8 & 16mm and video that occurred before we were so technologically hellbent on reproducing the look of a major motion picture. Of course this site is mainly devoted to the technoloical aspects. So , I can hardly wait to begin to read comparisons and download some more footage from this and other cameras in its' class. Kurth
Robert Jackson February 9th, 2006, 05:05 PM I've always been in agreement with Cocteau , when he said filmmaking will be an art when the cost is equal to drawing , i.e. a pencil and paper.
If you look at the films of the French New Wave there are a lot of technical problems. We watched Breathless in class once and I remember that after the film someone said the synch was so bad it was like watching a Sergio Leone film. I guess it all depends on how you look at it. To me it's always amazing that a bunch of A/V nerd journalists were around at a time when cameras became small and affordable enough for them to make films of their own. The technical aspects of what they did weren't always perfect, but they captured a lot of great moments in time. Little cameras like this will enable a lot of people to grab moments of time in higher quality and at a lower price than ever before.
Wayne Morellini February 10th, 2006, 06:42 AM Kurth. I have supreme patience/tolerance sometimes, so yes I can sit through bad garbage just to record it with my eyes, though bad footage with bad content not only bores but annoys when I could be reading instead (and don't do much reading nowadays because of reading problems, that's how annoying it is).
I'm not saying that a great picture will give a bad film as much of a boost as a good film will get. Double next to no appeal is still next to "no" appeal. I'm sure, if most of you guys were compelled to watch feature releases on VHS, you would be wanting to watch it on DVD instead, very very much, and most of us want HD dvd/Bluray one day. For instance, on TV last night, on separate stations, as I was posting, at the same time, was "Arrested Development", and "Curb your Enthusiasm", one looks twice as good as the other (and the content is maybe twice as good too). Even though I don't really like the one with better content either, I can watch it, if it had the picture of the other, I probably wouldn't. The other, if it had a picture at least as good as the first one, I would be able to put up with it, if I didn't have anything better to do. So, if you got something it doesn't usually hurt to make it look twice as good, it's easier on the audience (and that means commercially). But if your beating a dead horse, than beating it further with a good picture, might give you a 0.2% audience penetration than a 0.1% penetration ;). I'm sure the film processing look they use in feature films, would be done deliberately to have the best psychological response from the audience. Just a different way of looking at it.
Kurth, you won't have to wait long for an alternative, in March, h264 cameras are supposed to be announced at around $799, by the looks of it, at faster bit rates. In August (or was that September) or so, Samsung is supposed to release one at higher bit rates too.
We watched Breathless in class once and I remember that after the film someone said the synch was so bad it was like watching a Sergio Leone film.
That's the problem, I've been to Arts college as well, and you find yourself surrounded by some pretty "interesting" people in class, and giving the classes (well, especially in some parts of Australia) who have some "interesting" ideas that are totally unrepresentative of what the audience wants ;). The problem is, that many of these people perceive what they are looking at, very differently from what the audience perceives, and while we can stretch our imaginations, the bulk of the population doesn't see it, but will notice the low quality footage that we ignore because we are concentrating on other parts of the content. This perception problem is one reason that knuckle brained blockbusters work many times better than the best arts films with the majority of the population, because they are appealing to emotional centres that the audience can perceive and care about. There are two things that can be done, make it easier to watch in comfort (good picture, good cinematography, as Kurth said) and teach them what they are seeing as you go, so they have the clues to perceive what they are watching. Something I learnt from the advances in Psychological research in the 80's and 90's, was that they found that men were many times more receptive to listen to women if the women calmly and politely talked to them rather than if they aggressively confronted the men (which is something men don't normally do to each other unless they want a fight, a major advance for feminism). But this is a clue to what is happening in film, you can aggressively agree with the audience (violent propagandist incitement etc) but the other extreme is to lull the audience into a calm/pleasant/enjoyable/restful/low stress (mellow) and/or exciting/interesting, state, so they can concentrate on the story better. Part of that non distracting look, is good picture and sound. Such a low stress look can be gotten on a better camera (which will even make it easier to post process in). Probably, eventually, an Ultra high definition 16-bit 4:4:4 visually lossless camera with 20 stop latitude, low signal to noise to match, and high light conversion efficiency, good glass, and software programs to do artificial pro-quality auto focusing, lighting, latitude ranging, colour correction and framing etc (totally doable) will probably replace much of the need for lighting, camera adjustment etc one day, allowing the cost and hassle, of low end production to drop.
Little cameras like this will enable a lot of people to grab moments of time in higher quality and at a lower price than ever before.
Robert, exactly my sentiments as well.
Jorge Gil February 10th, 2006, 03:57 PM Hi, my first post here.
I'm interested on this hd1, so i'm trying to find out every bit of info about this camera. Here is some words i found surfing and i want to share....
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from:
http://www.japaninc.net/newsletters/?list=gw&issue=222
So i wonder if you dont consider price, storage will be not a problem.
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The optics, from konica - minolta:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1136412541.html
http://www.sanyo.co.jp/koho/hypertext4-eng/0601/0111-1e.html
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A photo of the main chip and the famous "platinum engine" Mpeg4 coder:
http://www.sanyo-dsc.com/products/lineup/dmx_hd1/images/movie_image01.jpg
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I'm waiting for a review of some of you, guys. There's already some units sold on ebay, com'on nobody from this forums bought it?
Jorge
[Jorge, since you're new here, I'll ask that you not copy/paste text from other websites. Links are fine, but copy/paste violates the other website's copyrights. We try to avoid that here.-moderator]
Jorge Gil February 11th, 2006, 01:51 AM Sorry, first and last time i do it.
Anybody tried to burn a Dvd with the Mpeg4 original footage of the hd1 and tried to play it on a Mpg4 compatible Dvd player?
I was thinking on waiting for the H264 cameras, but if it is difficult to edit "old" mpeg4 standard, h264 could be worse.
More, you have to wait for a h264 player to view the film if you dont want to hassle with computers or docking station.
Perhaps i could take a little bit less quality codec for a more confortable editing+viewing.
Wayne Morellini February 11th, 2006, 09:15 AM Jorge, thanks for the links. The one of the Mpeg4 chip shows that it is indeed a Sony chip, not an Ambarella chip. I haven't noticed the 60fps VGA mode that uses 6Mb/s, going to be interesting for extreme sports people.
Jorge, the footage posted before tells the story pretty much, all we need to know is low light performance and things like wave/ripple motion etc. Great personal camera or compact. Get your hands on one and test it out.
About the H264 Ambarella camera, I can't remember the in and outs of the details but the chip used to encode the h264 is a mass array of little special purpose processors, probably more powerful combined, than your average PC processor on this job. I don't know for certain, but I remember reading about editing on camera (or was it the Sanyo). Undesirable I know, but at least you won't be totally left up the creek without a paddle if you can find the camera that supports it.
I think there are a number of DVD players etc, with h264 to come out, and if xbox360 or PS3, or Nintendo Revolution decides to support it, you definitely won't be left up the creek as far as playback devices go.
Joseph Aurili February 13th, 2006, 02:22 PM I have been reading the messages here for a while, but never registered.
I got my Sanyo HD1 today, so I registered so I could share sample pictures and video.
The video has a lot more compression artifacts then I would have liked to see and some of the shots look a bit blurred.
I will leave these clips up for a little while.
Let me know what you think:
Videos:
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/T1.MP4
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/T2.MP4
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/T3.MP4
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/T4.MP4
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/T5.MP4
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/T5.MP4
Stills:
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/ST1.JPG
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/ST2.JPG
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/ST3.JPG
--With a tripod--
Videos:
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/Cereal.MP4
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/left.MP4
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/right.MP4
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/trash.MP4
Stills:
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/Cereal.JPG
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/left.JPG
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/right.JPG
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/trash.JPG
Joseph Aurili February 13th, 2006, 02:25 PM Right click and the links and save them to your hard drive. If you just click the links directly it will take a very long time to buffer up and you may have playback problems.
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