Okay, I'll guess an MSRP for the "GL-H1" of $3995, with the street price dropping toward $3K by mid 2007. No XLR inputs.

:-)

Okay, I'll guess an MSRP for the "GL-H1" of $3995, with the street price dropping toward $3K by mid 2007. No XLR inputs.

:-)

With 20X zoom and 24F

Okay, I'll guess an MSRP for the "GL-H1" of $3995, with the street price dropping toward $3K by mid 2007. No XLR inputs.

:-)
Is it that big of a deal to put in XLR inputs?

Is it that big of a deal to put in XLR inputs?

It would be for me. I wouldn't be interested without XLR. It would make the camera more of Z1 rival though and probably up the price.

Maybe they could release a pro and consumer version, like the FX1 and Z1..?

I don't mean is it a big deal if you have them or not. I want them too. I mean is a big deal for Canon or Sony etc to put in XLR? Does it cost a lot to add them?

It probably costs them next to nothing to put them on. The only excuses I can see for not including them are maybe space limitations (which I don't even think count anymore because the Sony PDX10 has them and it's tiny) or because they don't want it to compete with more expensive cameras in the product line, which I also think isn't an excuse because every camera with a mic input should be using the XLR connector anyway.

Still the main thing I want is a 16:9 with XLR, 24p. It would be nice to have HDV but I don't really care right now. I just wish Canon would make a scaled down XL2. A XL2 Mini. Or a XL H1 mini.

I also want the smaller size. I still think there is a big market for this. Look at the Sonys! They are just missing the 24p on them. The Z1 is close.

If now got enough to get a $3,000 camera. With the rebate I could get a DVX100b, Sony A1U, FX1 and others but they all miss something. I'm I missing one?

My main goal is a doc and my someday a indie. I'm not doing it that soon so I still have time to wait.

It probably costs them next to nothing to put them on. The only excuses I can see for not including them are maybe space limitations (which I don't even think count anymore because the Sony PDX10 has them and it's tiny) or because they don't want it to compete with more expensive cameras in the product line, which I also think isn't an excuse because every camera with a mic input should be using the XLR connector anyway.
And look how small the Sony A1U is and it has XLR input your right they could do it.

If now got enough to get a $3,000 camera. With the rebate I could get a DVX100b, Sony A1U, FX1 and others but they all miss something.

For me the FX1 offers the most for the price, and the lack of XLR inputs is easily solved by adding an adapter. If you really want built-in XLR the A1U would probably be my next choice, followed by a used Canon XL2.

P.S. I don't know why Canon doesn't offer XLR inputs on their GL line, but my guess is to maintain some distinction for their more expensive products.

I agree with you. I'm currently in the market for an XL2. I'm shooting at a summer camp for 2 months, for long hours during the day, all handheld. The XL2 is heavy, but unfortunately, the only camera to deliver 16:9, 24P (to be used on my other projects) and a 20x lens. If they could make a camera that's the same size/form as the DVX100 but with 16:9 and a longer lens (while keeping everything else, including sensor size, 1/3, the same, I'd buy it within the next 5 minutes.

I've always thought it would be a big seller. It probably won't happen now. It will have to be HDV/DV.

For me the FX1 offers the most for the price, and the lack of XLR inputs is easily solved by adding an adapter. If you really want built-in XLR the A1U would probably be my next choice, followed by a used Canon XL2.

P.S. I don't know why Canon doesn't offer XLR inputs on their GL line, but my guess is to maintain some distinction for their more expensive products.
I was in a Apple store and saw some great video from a FX1

Bob, yes, yes it is.

All that detail. C'mon Mr Canon!

Grazie

It's a long ways to Japan.

Speaking about the XLR inputs....is there a discernible difference in the audio quality between cams with built-in XLR or those using adapters?

in terms of actual audio quality, I'd say no, but they usually sound better because they are less balanced which makes them less prone to interference from lights and stuff and they can also use phantom power which makes things a lot simpler.

So Andrew, which adapters would you recommend? Isn't this option cheaper than the high markup prices we see in the pro version cameras with built-in XLRs?

In all honesty, I haven't had very much experience with XLR adapters. Where I do most of my video work, we had an XL1 up until last year where we ended up getting an XL2, and since then, I've used the XL2 for most of the work. We often record audio completely seperate from the cameras then add it in post. As long as the cable going from the adapter to the camera is short, I don't see a reason why the quality would degrade. I have heard about issues dealing with phantom power since many of the adapers offer it, but don't actually give a full 48 volts of power, which means the mic operates at a lower level, introducing more noise. Other than that, from what I've heard around the board, Beachtech (did I spell it correctly?) makes some very good adapters. Depending on the camera you're using, you can get the adapter with a 1/8 inch (regular headphone size) output or dual RCA which I think is preferrable because it's more robust and the signals are fully seperate. In the end though, I think any cameras coming out for our section of the market will include XLR inputs as standard, since many new cameras already have them, and like I said, they're a lot better than the alternatives.

With hdv 1080i 24f and 20x zoom in gl2 form factor for 3500 street price they'd move units faster than they could put them on the shelves....

With hdv 1080i 24f and 20x zoom in gl2 form factor for 3500 street price they'd move units faster than they could put them on the shelves....

Yeh, but . .No, but, . . . Yeah but . . No but . . that would meeeen, guy, that 'ere in London it would be like £3500 - yeah? And that's like £1,000 more than a SONY FX1? Yeah . . . ? Hey guy! That's Minging!

We wont see it for what would be the exchange rate - £1750-ish. If it got here for something UNDER 2k, then it WOULD fly. But then that would place it ONLY £600 over the now exsisting XM2 - yeah?

Am I bovvered? Am I? Am I bovvered? Am I? Look at my face?

Grazie

[QUOTE=Graham Bernard]
Am I bovvered? Am I? Am I bovvered? Am I? Look at my face?

/QUOTE]

This might need translating for a largely N American audience!

It's a reference to a wonderful surly teenage character created by English comic Catherine Tate.

[QUOTE=Graham Bernard]
Am I bovvered? Am I? Am I bovvered? Am I? Look at my face?

/QUOTE]

This might need translating for a largely N American audience!

It's a reference to a wonderful surly teenage character created by English comic Catherine Tate.

I thought he just lost his mind!!

[QUOTE=Paul Doherty]

I thought he just lost his mind!!

Ah! Found it! Thanks Bob for the reminder, just remembered where I left it.

Grazie

Hey Guys! You noticed something for this THREAD?

Posts: 73

Views: 2116

That's a Ratio

Views : Threads

of:-

30:1

I'd say that means that's HEAPS of interest in this thread!!!

Keep it up people!

Grazie

[QUOTE=Bob Zimmerman]

Ah! Found it! Thanks Bob for the reminder, just remembered where I left it.

Grazie
Great,,,,,I'm glad you are back.

I guess there are a lot of people hoping to see if Canon has released a GL3.

An XL2 post said a major retailer (Zotz) dropped the camera price by 10% yesterday. Could this be an indicator that Canon may be introducing something to our wishes at NAB soon? I know I maybe reaching a bit here, but hey, it's Area 51!

I'm hoping we'll see dueling HDV camcorders between Sony and Canon at NAB.

I've been watching the Sony A1U and notice there are less and less on the market. Most of the authorized Sony dealers have stopped carrying them, Sony's Style site no longer lists them, pricegrabber.com only has 6 re-sellers, and that $500 rebate goes straight into NAB.

Betcha we see an A1U replacement to compete with anything Canon introduces.

Most of the authorized Sony dealers have stopped carrying them. The Sony Style site no longer lists them.

Did the SonyStyle site ever list them? The A1 is part of the Pro lineup and that site is for consumer products. They don't sell the Z1, PDX-10 or PD-170, but do sell the HC1, HC3, FX1 and VX-2100. The A1 is still listed on Sony's pro website:

http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplayModel?m=0&p=2&sp=141&id=80897

And our sponsor B&H has them in stock if you want one:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=384527&is=REG&addedTroughType=search

It would be very unusual for Sony to discontinue one of their pro cameras so quickly. I don't think the A1 has even been shipping for a full year yet, has it? People have been predicting the demise of the PDX-10 for a year now, and in Europe the Sony site says it was replaced by the A1, but it's still listed on Sony's US site and available at B&H. And that camera is about 4 years old.

OTOH, this wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong about Sony's marketing plans! ;-)

Whoops, that's right the A1U is from the Pro dept.

I keep forgetting it's actually the A1U/Z1U and the HC3/FX1 which are related. I'm so used to talking about the FX1 vs Z1U which don't match, in that sense.

And hopefully we'll be able to put the GLH1/XLH1 on the list too.

Dell is selling the GL2 for $2300. They drop it $400.00. Plus there is a $250 rebate. Not a bad deal. It sounds like they are cleanin them out to me.

At last...

at last what? was something announced?

Maybe he was waiting for a sale at Dell!

yeah, I was excited for a second there:( After looking around the web, no announcements, so I guess that's what he was referring to.

Very funny, read the previous message, I have been watching for years for this camera, and at last there seems to be some action, getting rid of the previous camera.

So have a lot of people. Maybe it's about time!!

$2300 is a bit high. Most reputable places (B&H, BPAV, 17photo, etc.) are selling the GL2 for $2000 now. Add in the $250 rebate and it sure sounds like a blowout to me! =)

$2300 is a bit high. Most reputable places (B&H, BPAV, 17photo, etc.) are selling the GL2 for $2000 now. Add in the $250 rebate and it sure sounds like a blowout to me! =)


Tim,

Two years ago I picked up a GL2 with the exact pricing you just described from B&H.

Oh my bad, well I guess it's not a sign afterall =(

So, what is the point of the rebate?

Just as the XLH1 and the XL2 coexist, the introduction of a GL HDV successor shouldn't necessitate the extinction of the SD version.
Even though the price drop is an indicator that an HDV camera is coming soon, it still serves a purpose and will retain its value accordingly.
Sony still sells the VX and PD models, as does Panny with the AGDVX and DVC30, and they all have HD/HDV cameras evolving within in the lineup.

So, what is the point of the rebate?

If product isn't selling as fast or in the quantities the manufacturer hoped for then the market is saying that the price isn't right....

Just as the XLH1 and the XL2 coexist, the introduction of a GL HDV successor shouldn't necessitate the extinction of the SD version.

..

Sony still sells the VX and PD models, as does Panny with the AGDVX and DVC30, and they all have HD/HDV cameras evolving within in the lineup.

Good points Jacob.

Brought over from Area 51...