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Mike Horrigan
December 11th, 2006, 11:23 AM
See this thread: H.264 Brightness / Contrast issue (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=73197)
Well... glad to know that it isn't a problem on my end.

Thanks,

Mike

Thomas Lundberg
December 11th, 2006, 12:33 PM
Thank you, Steven. I guess then there is no way to extract one part of a captured HDV clip and store it in a file which is (nearly) an exact copy of the corresponding part of the capture file.

I like my method because I can have a quickly accessible, easily searched, on-disk archive with my footage without wasting HDD and backup space with scenes that will never be used in any project.

I will have a closer look at Cineform Aspect HD. Thanks.

/Thomas

Christopher Watson
December 11th, 2006, 12:47 PM
Good to know on both accounts, thanks guys.

Daniel Cegla
December 11th, 2006, 05:35 PM
Ok I know there are a few threads dealing with this but I didn't want to thread hijack.

I have a 70 minute video I just finished. Shot in SD. It looks great on my comp screen, but when I export through Premiere Pro and get it to DVD, it looks bit grainy and not so great.

I used DVD encore, and I told it to build DVD. There was not an option on that screen to select how to compress it, so I assumed it set it automatically at the highest quality it could fit on a disc (I am using single layer discs). I checked the bitrate afterwards and it was between 7-10.

Yet I'm not satisfied with the image quality. Actually, when I used to work with Ulead tools, the DVD workshop gave me better quality.

I've heard some talk of using a better compressor etc. I'd really like to achieve maximum image quality on this disc.

Any tips on what I can do (preferrably for FREE, and before tomorrow evening so I can have the disc built Wed morning) to improve image quality? Whether it just be messing with the options in Encore, or using a different mpeg compressor....

please help! thanks!

Miguel Lombana
December 11th, 2006, 08:05 PM
Ok I know there are a few threads dealing with this but I didn't want to thread hijack.

I have a 70 minute video I just finished. Shot in SD. It looks great on my comp screen, but when I export through Premiere Pro and get it to DVD, it looks bit grainy and not so great.

I used DVD encore, and I told it to build DVD. There was not an option on that screen to select how to compress it, so I assumed it set it automatically at the highest quality it could fit on a disc (I am using single layer discs). I checked the bitrate afterwards and it was between 7-10.

Yet I'm not satisfied with the image quality. Actually, when I used to work with Ulead tools, the DVD workshop gave me better quality.

I've heard some talk of using a better compressor etc. I'd really like to achieve maximum image quality on this disc.

Any tips on what I can do (preferrably for FREE, and before tomorrow evening so I can have the disc built Wed morning) to improve image quality? Whether it just be messing with the options in Encore, or using a different mpeg compressor....

please help! thanks!

Not free but cheap, output AVI and MPG2 it via TMPGenc then burn it .. you'll be quite pleased.

Daniel Cegla
December 11th, 2006, 10:50 PM
Not free but cheap, output AVI and MPG2 it via TMPGenc then burn it .. you'll be quite pleased.

I will look into that... anyone else have any suggestions as well?

Question: in DVD encore, will I be able to select the compression engine to use as TMPGenc instead of Mainconcepts encoder? Or will I have to launch this program?

Michael Sweeney
December 12th, 2006, 12:58 AM
okay i will start off with how i have things set up. i have my dv camera connected to my computer through firewire. then i have a RCA cable(audio video analog) connected from my camera to a tv.

my problem is, the tv is out of sync with the computer when doing playback in adobe premiere. how can i fix this or can i? is there a different way to set it up. my audio is also out of sync.

thanks,
mike

Harm Millaard
December 12th, 2006, 03:52 AM
You could also try CinemaCraft Basic encoder for encoding from Premiere Pro, using a bitrate calculator to find optimal settings.
http://dvd-hq.info/Calculator.html?PHPSESSID=6501b6b2b31f4c4a295bc8c2ba1e6f57#Calculator

Bart Walczak
December 12th, 2006, 04:20 AM
You could just use EDL...

Gary Gonsalves
December 12th, 2006, 06:05 AM
Michael,

I once encountered a similar problem then realized what an idiot I was for not figuring it out right away. During capture I encountered a similar problem. The audio had a 1 second delay difference from my computer monitor and my broadcast monitor. I corrected the problem by going up to the menu bar and choosing playback options. If I remember right you have to set the playback to either one or the other to avoid the delay.

I am heading in to the office and I will tell you where it is located in PP2.

Gary Gonsalves
December 12th, 2006, 10:38 AM
Try this...

Go to Project > Project Settings > General > Playback Settings

You can choose to watch and hear the video either on your desktop or your broadcast monitor. Often times, if you are capturing using PP2 you will hear a delay in audio when watching/listening to the footage in the capture monitor and while watching/listening through your broadcast monitor.

I am not sure if this is going to work for you but play with the above settings and see if that works.

Good Luck

John Miller
December 12th, 2006, 10:56 AM
There will always be a delay between what is displayed on the computer and what is displayed via Firewire.

The Windows driver responsible for sending DV from the computer via Firewire to an external DV device (MSDV.SYS) has a hard-coded buffer of about 0.5 seconds.

Any applications that use that driver (basically any DirectShow-based application) will show the delay.

Additionally, there is a delay from the time the raw DV data arrive at the camcorder and when the decode video frame is shown. This can be a frame or so.

Mike Horrigan
December 12th, 2006, 07:31 PM
Premiere Pro 1.5 crashes during the opening on my new laptop.

The last thing I see loading is "write on.AEX"

Then I get a black screen... nothing else.

I've updated QT. Still nothing?
I'm using Intel Centrino Duo, 2 GB RAM.

Works on my old laptop.

Any ideas?

Mike

Mike Horrigan
December 12th, 2006, 08:40 PM
I tried re-installing/repairing it via the disc, no luck.

Chris Barcellos
December 12th, 2006, 08:47 PM
How about updating ??? Did download the latest update of Premeire and install it ?

Mike Horrigan
December 12th, 2006, 09:13 PM
How about updating ??? Did download the latest update of Premeire and install it ?
Tried that.

This worked though...
http://www.asklaptopfreak.com/laptop-notebook-help/2006/08/11/satellite-a105-fails-with-adobe-premiere/

Looks like it was Realtek audio driver.

Thanks for your help though,

Mike

David Basulto
December 12th, 2006, 09:37 PM
Hi all, im running PP2. I have Cineform Prospect HD. Ive been trying to export a Quicktime today. I used the media encoder> Apple DV/DVC Pro. it goes about 20% then craps out. I turned off my effects then tried again, same thing.

my footage is 24p HDV, 720p. I used Cineform Prospect HD to import. All worked well and i cut it fine. My sound editor wants the quicktime file. any thoughts?

Daniel Cegla
December 12th, 2006, 11:48 PM
Hi all, im running PP2. I have Cineform Prospect HD. Ive been trying to export a Quicktime today. I used the media encoder> Apple DV/DVC Pro. it goes about 20% then craps out. I turned off my effects then tried again, same thing.

my footage is 24p HDV, 720p. I used Cineform Prospect HD to import. All worked well and i cut it fine. My sound editor wants the quicktime file. any thoughts?

My QT output doesnt work right in PP2 either. Try the demo of tmpgenc and see if you like. I am trying the demo right now and it seems great. It's $100 for the full version but from what others have said here its suppossed to be great.

David Basulto
December 12th, 2006, 11:56 PM
thanks will look into that! Meanwhile, i tried to render an ms dv avi and it game me a disc full error??? i have plenty of disc space... so confused.

Daniel Cegla
December 13th, 2006, 03:37 AM
thanks will look into that! Meanwhile, i tried to render an ms dv avi and it game me a disc full error??? i have plenty of disc space... so confused.

not sure.. check where your scratch disks are and make sure there is plenty of free space where you have those folders set.

Pierre Landry
December 13th, 2006, 09:21 AM
I created a widescreen project and want to render the scene. What ever the settings I choose, Premiere 2.0 always export the movie as 4:3... When I play it on my computer I just change the aspect ration to 16:9 and everything works ok... but know, it's time to make a DVD with Architect 3.0c and it detects the 4:3 to be the format of course!

It's my last project in Premiere. I learned how to use Vegas and it suits me a lot better! Not a single problem so far! And I can edit HD with my laptop! ;)

Thanks for your help!

Pierre

Pierre Landry
December 13th, 2006, 09:39 AM
I put all the settings as it should be... but still the wrong result! I actually tried many different configurations...

I really don't understand!

I'm very peeved to say the least...

Pierre

Nick Ambrose
December 13th, 2006, 12:09 PM
I put all the settings as it should be... but still the wrong result! I actually tried many different configurations...

I really don't understand!

I'm very peeved to say the least...

Pierre

I think you need to search the forums for a tool called "anamorphizer" (which i cannot spell). You drop your exported movie into this application and it will set the 16:9 widescreen properties in the Quicktime file.

I am still playing with the same thing with Final Cut Express/iDVD

Mark Morikawa
December 14th, 2006, 02:47 AM
I'm new to Premier (6.5) and I can't figure out how to make my job easier.

I have about 2 hours of clips on my timeline and I need to insert clips in the middle of the timeline. I would like to just be able to drop a clip in between two other clips, thus forcing everything after that insert to simply move over to make room for the inserted clip. But it doesn't do that and so I have to move over ALL the clips manually enough so that the new clips can fit.

So I either want the clips to move over when I insert a clip or I want to find a easy way to insert space in between clips without having to select ALL the clips and move it. I just don't know if 6.5 can do either.

Anyone know?

Harm Millaard
December 14th, 2006, 05:50 AM
I'm using PP 2.0 and cannot remember if it works the same way, but try to keep the CTRL key pressed when you drag and drop the clip to be inserted to the time line. If that does not work as it does in 2.0, look up insert editing in the help file.

Charlie Durand
December 14th, 2006, 03:27 PM
Hey there,

I recently purchased a Canon XH-A1 and have been getting used to working with HDV footage in Premiere 2.0

More or less everything is the same but the render times are much longer, which is to be expected.

One problem I am seeing is when I create subclips. The video and audio are always out of synch, by a lot, when I create subclips. It's like the system is having to work too hard to keep track of the subclip for lack of a better description.

I am running a Pentium 4 at 3.4GHZ, 2GB DDR667, RAID 0 for the system and RAID 0 for the data. The CPU doesn't max out and never really gets higher than 50% at anytime.

I have worked with tons of DV footage on this same computer and never had this problem.

Any ideas?

David Basulto
December 14th, 2006, 07:11 PM
Hi, i have been editing a film (93min) in PP2 using Cineform Prospect HD to import the footage etc. Source is from the JVC HD 100, 24p HDV 720p. I have been trying for the past 3 days to render a quicktime to no avail. not only that but i cant render any format without an error. I have done the troubleshooting and fixes on the phone with Adobe, nothing has worked. I finally started rendering out DV Avi chunks 12min at a time, this seems to be working.

Questions:
1. Can i import these into say Quicktime Pro to make one big QT file? (I lost all faith in PP2).
2 I will need to make a digi beta master when all is said and done. Whats the work flow to get this done via PP2?

Thanks in advance! Dave

David Basulto
December 14th, 2006, 11:28 PM
David Newman from CineForm replied to me on the Adobe forums:

Hi David,

Long form quicktime output has come up as in issue in the past. As you using Prospect HD, I recommend mastering to a CineForm AVI first -- that should work without issue. The you can load that is several tools for producing your final export (including bringing that into a new project with Premiere typically works.) Premiere has some memory issues with features are a typically overcome by breaking the production into reels. Also make sure you are up to date with your Prospect HD install, which is now on version 2.2.8 (version 2.2.10 will be up any day now also.) Prospect help reduce some of the memory issues under Premiere (particularly for HDV) and it gets better at this with newer versions.

If you having problems using Premiere, as an Prospect HD user our support people will likely be of better help -- after all most of our customers are indie filmmakers.

Contact support and ask for Jake Segraves, or file a trouble ticket at www.cineform.com/support (which Jake will handle.)

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

Jon Jaschob
December 16th, 2006, 02:10 PM
Jake was a great help for me, he got my shit to work man :-)
Jon

Lars Siden
December 16th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Hi,

Today I made a new project with a sequence(1) containing about 40 clips. Wanted to apply an audiofilter to the whole track so I made a new Sequence (2). Dropped sequence 1 into sequence 2. Applied EQ. Within sequence 2 - I choose File -> Export Wave. Nothing happens - I get the window that says "rendering" but nothing happens.

If I set Sequence 1 as active it works just fine... this must be a bug?

// Lazze

Premiere 2.0 on XP SP2 - all updates applied.

Bart Walczak
December 16th, 2006, 08:02 PM
It is rendering audio effect, be patient.

Easier method is to apply the EQ effect to a track, this way you avoid nested sequences and unnecessary rendering.

Christopher Lefchik
December 18th, 2006, 12:30 PM
So, I'm nearing the end of a reinstall of Windows and my apps after a hard drive failure. I edited a short project the other day, and went to export it, and what should I see but an entry for “NeroDigital” right above the Adobe Media Encoder option in the Export menu. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, you can now export directly to MPEG-4/H.264 straight from the Adobe Premiere Pro timeline! No need to go through the Adobe Media Encoder and use the buggy QuickTime export (and be restricted to the .mov container). The NeroDigital export plugin looks to be very configurable, and includes handy presets for iPod and PSP/Memory Stick.

Note that I am using Premiere Pro 2.0 and the latest edition of Nero 7 as of this writing (v7.5.9.0A). If you don't have Nero I am sure you will not have this export option.

Emre Safak
December 18th, 2006, 01:57 PM
Does this work in After Effects too?

Christopher Lefchik
December 18th, 2006, 02:13 PM
Does this work in After Effects too?
I'm afraid I don't see NeroDigital listed in the After Effects export menu. There is an MPEG-4 option which uses the QuickTime rendering engine.

If you wanted to export an After Effects timeline using NeroDigital, and you have the Production Studio, you could always use the Dynamic Link (http://www.adobe.com/products/productionstudio/dynamiclink.html) feature to embed the AE timeline directly in a Premiere Pro timeline. I've used this on one of my projects so far (not to render to NeroDigital - yet), and it's pretty slick.

Jay Lee
December 20th, 2006, 11:14 AM
I've been working on a clients project using their computer and I took the hard drive home to work on my personal computer. In the preferences, I set the Preview files to go into the same folder as the project. If I open the Preview files directory, I can see the preview files that I rendered. So far, so good.

When I returned to the clients computer and opened up the project file, the rendered preview files are no longer linked, meaning that I'd have to re-render to see the clip previews. This is a bad thing as the files are pretty long, requiring a fair amount of time for rendering.

Am I not understanding how this is supposed to work? How can I re-link my clips to their appropriate preview files?

Chris Macneil
December 20th, 2006, 12:28 PM
Hi all can anybody help with this
I am completely bald as I have pulled out all my hair. I am capturing from my Sony a1u to premiere pro 2 creating a series of single avis which are 60 mins long, when I put the Avi on the timeline and go to the end of the timeline there is a discrepancy of 10 secs: the timecode on the camera is 10 secs different if I look at 30 mins along the timeline I am 5 secs out it appears to lose 1 frame every 360 frames, the camera is pal I have it set recording at 25fps and the settings on PP2 for capture are the same 25fps in pal. I have shot HDV footage tho am capturing in DV as I need to travel and HDV is to many gigs I was hoping to edit a rough cut in DV then recapture in HDV for final edit I AM STUCK
any wisdom about this that could be forthcoming would be cherished and your place in nirvana assured in my eyes
Here's hoping
Chris

Ervin Farkas
December 20th, 2006, 01:06 PM
Do you get an error message (where is file xyz?) when you open the project? If so, just point to the location of the file.

Jay Lee
December 20th, 2006, 02:27 PM
Nope, it was as though I hadn't rendered the files at all. Re-connecting the media would have been the way to go, definitely.

Terry Lyons
December 21st, 2006, 09:09 AM
Hi all, any body use Adobe's expert support? I have a contract and have been having a hard time getting through for about a month now or longer. I did get to talk to a customer support person and they told me that the contract I have for $300.00 a year is going to $1600.00 a year if I want to renue. Well anyway I dont think I will be able to swing that, so is there any other tech support programs that you know about? Mine covers their video production bundle and it is nice to be able to call and get help when time is critical. Although I dont know if I will be able to afford that convenience. Thanks again TAG

Matt Ludwig
December 22nd, 2006, 12:29 AM
I have a friend who has a Sony TRV-950 who uses P.P. 7.0 to edit. Just recently he has started to encounter problems when he captures with his TRV-950. As soon as the computer tells the camera to play, the playback speed decreases (you can hear the audio drop to a lower speed) and everything is slow and jagged.

The tapes play fine when not connected to the camera, and the footage was shot with the same camera. When you click to actually record, a message comes up and says the connection to the device was lost. He can capture using the camera and Windows Movie Maker just fine, only P.P. gives him problems.

Any Suggestions? Thanks.

Chris Kroitor
December 22nd, 2006, 09:49 PM
I think you're right in giving up the service, especially if it's going up to that price. I've got to admit thought that I don't have it, and would probably never use it.

My opinion is that its not worth it, even at $300. First of all, 90% of the problems that I've encountered are computer/video-tech related, not Editing Suite. If you have a techie-friend you can call, or you're a tech-person like myself, you've got most of those covered. Also, there's of course these forums, and lots of other places you can find online to find answers, if you do a bit of looking.

Even for quicker questions ("how-do-I.....") it's probably simpler to find it online (I don't even know if they answer those sort of questions...... do they?)

Sorry for not answering your question, I don't know any other services. But I'd probably find them a waste of money anyway! If you can't find anything to your liking, I'll offer to help you out, for free ;)

Bart Walczak
December 24th, 2006, 10:59 PM
If you didn't get the "find media" dialog box when opening the project, then it is very strange. You should have.

If for some reason premiere can't see the rendered files, then you can try and go to preferences and look under scrach disks for rendered files directory, but it this doesn't help, then nothing will, I'm affraid.

Liam Carlin
December 26th, 2006, 10:20 AM
i have 60 jpegs that are 2272x1704 pixels and what i plan to do is to create a photo montage. so which workflow makes more sense and what would you reccomend? and also i wan the picture to be 720x576 and i'll be working in pal if that matters and the final output is just for the internet but i have the compression covered.

also some of the jpegs need to be rotated so that they are the right way up.

im using:

premeire 1.5
AE7
photoshop cs2

workflow 1:

import jpegs into AE(comp settings 720x576, 5secs, 1frame)> rescale and rotate if nessecary> out put as avi no compression then import to prem and edit.

or.

Workflow 2:

import jpegs in to photoshop auto resize them> import jpegs that need to be rotated into AE then rotate> import everthing into prem and edit export etc.

So what would you do and how would you do it. can i shorten the time its going to take me or anything you think i should be doing differently, all commenst and suggestions welcome. also if you have any questions just ask.

Thanks in advance!

Jeff Chandler
December 26th, 2006, 10:53 AM
Why wouldn't you just do the rotation in Photoshop, too? I don't see the need for AE for this project.

Liam Carlin
December 26th, 2006, 01:45 PM
Why didnt i think of that? haha thats for pointing out the obvious! well ive certainly been wasting my time! thanks for that! i definatly did not get common sense for christmas! thanks!

Jeff Chandler
December 26th, 2006, 06:00 PM
Hey, sometimes we all need a little slap in the face. ;-) I often find myself making things more complicated than they are!

Terry Lyons
December 26th, 2006, 10:16 PM
Hi Chris, thanks for the offer. They do answer the how do I... questions and it isnt a problem with the software not working properly, its just I cant figure how to get things to happen. Right now I am dealing with Encore not accepting a wav file and we tried everything and now we are to the point of uninstalling Encore and re installing to fix the problem. Well that isnt in the help file so it is nice to call and get some imput. Although lately its been taking up to 2 hrs for them to answer the phone. This problem seems to be a software problem but usually my questions are how do I make a tilted picture in picture. Well the answer was to use After Effects. So in the time it would of taken me to try a couple of different options it was nice to call and ask. But im not sure it will happen at $1600. Anyway thanks for the reply. See you around. TAG

Thomas Fraser
December 27th, 2006, 10:59 PM
I have PPro 1.5 and will be using SD on Canon GL2 for a long time, I have no intentions of going to a HD camera. Is there any reason for me to upgrade to Premiere Pro 2 ?

Ervin Farkas
December 28th, 2006, 01:35 PM
2.0 has some extra features (multicam editing for example, better sound handling, etc) but nothing essential. Actually you can even do HD on 1.5 by downloading the free upgrade to 1.5.1 from Adobe.

Chris Barcellos
December 28th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Seems to me that the interface does a little more, though I actually only use 1.5 for a very short period, jumping 6.5 to Pro 2.0.

I think you can set up multiple monitors better and easier, actually have monitor dedicated to preview, the multicamera edit is great, and frankly, you keep up with the current technology by future upgrades to the program better than you might with 1.5. If you are a dedicated Premiere user, I think it is worth it.