Good...
It's not just me trying to get something decent out of AVID Xpress Pro HD (PC). No MAC :(

Man, I'm about this close to pulling my fcking hair out and not buying the HVX and buying the Canon XLH1 or JVC HD100 instead.

Will I be able to use Vegas with these cameras without going fcking nuts!

Sorry if I seem agitated,
Steve

Naw Steve,

Don't do that. Don't worry about the post production flow so much right now(dec '05). Choose the HVX-200 or the XL-H1 based on your PRODUCTION flow for next year (2006). That's what is important and where you put your money.

Post Production will catch up for HDV & DVCPRO-HD very soon for both cameras. So that's not so important right now.

Let your decision be based on your future Production flow.

Both cameras produce a remarkable picture. We all know that. Now pick your camera based on features & price. Should be easy for you.

Beleive it or not, my first project I'm doing with my XL-H1 is a new Aerobic Workout DVD Video being shot with 3 HD cameras in 1080i60 (or 30p if I can convince them). We shoot it next weekend on the 7th & 8th. I could care less about post production as I care about Production and which cameras work best for me in this situation right now.
The following weekend on the 14th & 15th I'm producing a Comedy Vignette for a friend of mine called "The Surrogate Photographer". It's about a door-to-door baby photographer who is allowed to screw this man's wife who is home waiting on a sperm donor that's late because he's caught in traffic. We'll be shooting that at 1080p24.
So you see.....it's all about PRODUCTION at this point. Let that be your determining factor. When you determine what you do, you'll chose a camera easily.

- ShannonRawls.com

Hey Barry - wait for a week. Stevo himself is getting up on stage - and he only does that when he's got something to wow with, and it better not be another freak'n iPod. ('less of course he's in full RDF mode - but it can't hurt to wait.)
The pb range is in dire need of a face lift - Yonah is officially released by Intel in the next day or so, just before MWSF. So yeah, hopefully dual core pb's.

The real issue is when Apple will release pro app software optimised for Intel and not running on top of Rosetta (emulated) on an Intel machine, most people are expecting a little bit of a performance hit in this case.
Hope that helps.

Thanks Shannon !

I was starting to slip.
I'm back now.

Steve

Hey Barry - wait for a week. Stevo himself is getting up on stage - and he only does that when he's got something to wow with, and it better not be another freak'n iPod. ('less of course he's in full RDF mode - but it can't hurt to wait.)
The pb range is in dire need of a face lift - Yonah is officially released by Intel in the next day or so, just before MWSF. So yeah, hopefully dual core pb's.

The real issue is when Apple will release pro app software optimised for Intel and not running on top of Rosetta (emulated) on an Intel machine, most people are expecting a little bit of a performance hit in this case.
Hope that helps.

I totally agree with you here.

Make sure that it's 24p at 1/48th. No 1/24th, unless for a test shot. 1/24th has way to much blur. Make sure to shoot at 1/48th when in 24p...

I was doing some 1/24 on purpose because I wanted to get the blur on the onboard shooting with my bike and it was very dark. Making it 1/24 helped to get what I wanted.

So what do I do as a PC user? ...... wait patiently. lol
If Sony Vegas don't do something fast...I may be a new G5 owner soon.

You're exactly where I am then.

I am thinking along the same lines -- I really, really want to stay in Vegas, but without support, I've got to look elsewhere. And while Canopus has some awfully deep pockets now (they were just bought by Thomson), they still have a tiny installed base vs. Avid and FCP.

I'm thinking Canopus, because I'm a "closed shop" -- I don't do editing for others. If I was an editor-for-hire, no question I'd go FCP or Avid. I'm really tempted by the FCP thing, but there's four main reasons I hesitate:

1) new Intel macs are coming, and rumors are that the Intel powerbooks might be announced less than two weeks from now. Do I really want to go dump a whole lot of money into an end-of-the-line product when the beginning of the future line is so close?

2) Not all that thrilled with the "ingest P2" part of FCP. I'd much rather it had native MXF support like Canopus does.

3) What if Vegas DOES come out with proper support? Man, I'd leap back on that like Michael Moore at Thanksgiving dinner. So would I really want to shell out $4,000 for a Mac and FCP Studio, when it might turn out to be a temporary/stopgap measure?

4) Serious Magic DV/HD Rack. If they announce it, no way could I live without it, and it'll be PC-only.

That's why I keep thinking about Canopus -- they have what is reported to be the best integration and best HVX support, and at least it doesn't require a platform change. If it's brilliant I could stick with it, and if it's not-so-brilliant, well, maybe it'll tide me over until Vegas gets around to releasing proper support. Or, if they're not going to, at least we'd know that too, instead of hanging in limbo.

With that said, I am still extraordinarily tempted to just jump ship and get the Apple anyway, since I know it works and editing HD on one of those is as seamless as editing DV has been.

I like Avid because they offer a FREE limited version for starters that does the job. Im having problem loading the MXF clip by Kaku in the full HD version too... I havent figured it out

I suppose this is why nobody cuts in HDCAM or HDV or DVCPRO-HD using low cost NLE's. It's always cut in a proxy file. (usually DV) Ofcourse, if you have a high price NLE like Avid Adrenaline or Nitris ($80,000 & $110,000 repectively) then you just cut the stuff uncompressed and don't worry about anything. *smile*

Either way, PC owners are gonna have some serious troubles handling native DVCPRO-HD footage until these companies pan out the issues. In the mean time, make a DV proxy or cut it uncompressed if you have the $$$.

MAC users got it made!

- ShannonRawls.com

From what I've heard, VelocityHD is comparable in handling native DVCPROHD just as the online Avid systems, including 1080 24p. And, if it is an option for one, a VelocityHD system with this support starts at $30,000, which looks like one of the better PC options now, but not affordable, software-based PC solutions. It is mainly hardware based, and marketed as an 'online' editor somewhat similar to, say, Chrome and Adrenaline.

I think the next logical step for NLE's is to create this affordable 1080 p, i and f support for both HDV and DVCProHD, and hopefully soon, with all these new cameras!

Barry-

"1) new Intel macs are coming, and rumors are that the Intel powerbooks might be announced less than two weeks from now. Do I really want to go dump a whole lot of money into an end-of-the-line product when the beginning of the future line is so close?

2) Not all that thrilled with the "ingest P2" part of FCP. I'd much rather it had native MXF support like Canopus does.

3) What if Vegas DOES come out with proper support? Man, I'd leap back on that like Michael Moore at Thanksgiving dinner. So would I really want to shell out $4,000 for a Mac and FCP Studio, when it might turn out to be a temporary/stopgap measure?

4) Serious Magic DV/HD Rack. If they announce it, no way could I live without it, and it'll be PC-only."


1. No you wouldn't - you'd wait for MWSF.
Worst case - say you did jump now because you had to for some reason <shrug> It's not like a PPC machine is going to be redundant in two years time.

2. fcp 5.04 has some weirdo ingest ? Not on my menu - that was a stop gap as best I can understand. 5.04 update pdf (http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Final_Cut_Pro_5.0_lbn_z.pdf)

3. What if Sony do - what if they don't ? Don't think anyone who has made the switch to fcp regards it as a temp stop gap.
Shoot - ask any PC Avid editor who leapt across. They absolutely hate fcp for first two weeks to a month. Then they come to appreciate it - fcp is non modal.

4. Well - you've still got yer Winbox/s for this scenario. You're not going to offload them immediately just because you bought a Mac.

Damn sure you know all of the above anyway, you must get to see and have a play on so many systems ... but for other PC users.

<flame suit on>

edit: Kaku - want to thank you again for your effort in getting all of these clips up for us. Really, man - absolutely fantastic.

Happy New Year to all.

Either way, PC owners are gonna have some serious troubles handling native DVCPRO-HD footage until these companies pan out the issues. In the mean time, make a DV proxy or cut it uncompressed if you have the $$$.

I'd agree that the Mac platform as a whole appears to have better support for DVCProHD than most PC-based editing solutions, but don't be too quick to assume this is an all-or-nothing situation. Canopus in particular has got some interesting things going with their latest "Broadcast" version of Edius, which supports most SD and HD video formats on one timeline without pre-conversion to the project template -- resulting in some impressive flexibility for mixing and matching footage from different cameras. I haven't had a chance to test this for working with DVCProHD yet, but if they've got that handled as well as they've done HDV they could surprise a lot of people next year. You need some robust computer hardware to get the most out of Edius, but even with a basic dual-core processor it performs reasonably well.

Canopus has been responsible for keeping many people from jumping from PCs to Macs over the past few years, and with their latest tricks they just might keep us hanging on until Macs become PCs with an Apple logo on them...

2. fcp 5.04 has some weirdo ingest ? Not on my menu - that was a stop gap as best I can understand. 5.04 update pdf (http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Final_Cut_Pro_5.0_lbn_z.pdf)
Page 7, "import P2". That's the problem. It has to unwrap the MXF file and rewrap it as Quicktime .mov files. According to that PDF, that process is still there. In a native MXF system you wouldn't have to do that, you could just edit the files natively, instantly. It's the only real drawback that I see to the Apple implementation.

3. What if Sony do - what if they don't ? Don't think anyone who has made the switch to fcp regards it as a temp stop gap.
Don't want to get into an FCP vs. Vegas thing, but if Vegas had support, I would hands down choose it over FCP all day long, all night long, all week long, all month long. But it doesn't. And it may never. If it does, I greatly by far by an order of a million to one prefer its handling of 24p and format agnosticity over the Apple way. That's just me, that doesn't mean anything to anyone else, but it's just that much better for the way I currently work and the way I want to continue working.

4. Well - you've still got yer Winbox/s for this scenario. You're not going to offload them immediately just because you bought a Mac.
Yep, thinking about that too. Not really any reason not to have 'em both. I'll probably take the plunge after I see what MacWorld brings.

On a Mac,
I have downloaded the quicktime files and they want to open in Final Cut,
However, I have FC v4.5 or something
so this wont work in Final Cut

Nor do they work with the lastest Quicktime
It just takes me to the Apple plugin page

Sorry if this has been adressed - I have not seen it in this thread

Thanks,
J

Am I the only one seeing obvious interlacing in shots that are labeled as being 24P ... i.e. the first two in the list?

Am I the only one seeing obvious interlacing in shots that are labeled as being 24P ... i.e. the first two in the list?

Me too. So, I want to know if it's my setup, something I'm doing wrong, or something the camera is doing wrong?

All of the 24p shots Kaku uploaded are in 1080 mode. 1080p24 mode on the HVX works like 24p mode on the DVX...it's 24 inside 60 fields. Aka "pulldown". You'll see a pattern of 3 progressive frames and 2 interlaced frames when this is the case.

There's also a 1080i24PA mode on the HVX, akin to PA mode on the DVX. That would be a pattern of 5 frames also, all being progressive but #5 being a repeat of #4.

Most of Kaku's 24P clips are straight 1080p24, so they have interlace in them. The one clip labeled 24PA is mislabeled, last I knew...it was really 60i.

He never posted any 720p24, which WOULD be what I think you're expecting...a 24fps file with only progressive frames.

i was able to see the clip after i install avid xpress pro.
the bambo clip was close to fx1 color...also the city clip

http://www.pisces.ath.cx/~test3/Towada_Oirase2.wmv

Nate,
Do you know what options would I use (in either FCP or CinemaTools) to reverse-telecine ?

Hi Barry - re: 2 above -
I didn't realise that any of the NLE's could do that ! Edit straight on the card, huh ... that's just plain cool.

What fantastic technologies we have a choice of.
Sheesh, it's hard to muddle through all of this without having to drop a bundle here and there.
I'm in New Zealand and I'm still trying to get some sense out of the local broadcasters as to when they might go hd. That word from them, for me, will influence the timing of purchases. Stony silence down here ...

I like Avid because they offer a FREE limited version for starters that does the job. Im having problem loading the MXF clip by Kaku in the full HD version too... I havent figured it out

Avid's FreeDV software doesn't support HD resolutions, MXF or DVCPROHD via QT. Sorry, but you actually need XPress to do it.

Page 7, "import P2". That's the problem. It has to unwrap the MXF file and rewrap it as Quicktime .mov files. According to that PDF, that process is still there. In a native MXF system you wouldn't have to do that, you could just edit the files natively, instantly. It's the only real drawback that I see to the Apple implementation.

Not to mention the stripping and recompression of the audio channels! Conversion to QT doesn't leave the audio untouched. Even without the AVID DV100 CODEC installed (which doesn't work with QT anyway), you can load one of the FCP HD clips and play the audio.

Don't want to get into an FCP vs. Vegas thing, but if Vegas had support, I would hands down choose it over FCP all day long, all night long, all week long, all month long. But it doesn't. And it may never. If it does, I greatly by far by an order of a million to one prefer its handling of 24p and format agnosticity over the Apple way. That's just me, that doesn't mean anything to anyone else, but it's just that much better for the way I currently work and the way I want to continue working.

I feel the same way. For now I will just keep waiting and see what unfolds. I will be very surprised if MacWorld doesn't show new notebooks with Pentium-M CPUs. But I won't switch to Mac... Makes no sense for me. I've priced out a new Mac system that would actually fit into my workflow and be comparable to my other newest workstations and it isn't worth it. I already have to buy a new NLE software, so I can get XPress Pro HD... Or I can get XPress Studio for about the same price of FCP Studio less the system to run it on. But if I buy the Mac, I may as well stay with my all PC workflow and move up to Avid's MC Adrenaline with full HD monitoring and whatnot... We'd be talking about $2500 more than the Mac solution, but I would get a whole lot more. To equal that with the Mac, I would also have to buy a Kona card and a few other add-ons and it still wouldn't quite be equal... And it would be a proprietary odd-ball amidst my all my other systems.

OTOH, a new Mac notebook equipped with FCP just for editing, may not be a bad deal. Probably set it up for $3500 or less. Hmmm...

Hi Jeff - I personally hope that apple doesn't use pentiumM chips - should be Yonah in the pb range. Then in the second half 2006 - merom, which I'm totally guessing here, will be about the time we'll see Intel optimised pro apps and a roll out of new Intel Power Macs with Conroe - Woodcrest for the xserves.

Maybe we'll see m series chips in the iBook range at MWSF.

Are there any nighttime clips yet?

OTOH, a new Mac notebook equipped with FCP just for editing, may not be a bad deal. Probably set it up for $3500 or less. Hmmm...

I wouldn't buy a Mac notebook right now because that's where they're most hurting in terms of processing power until they switch over to Intel chips. Apple has apparently done a decent job of squeezing the most performance out of the aging G4 notebooks, but that's old technology by today's standards. If you're thinking of buying a notebook computer for video editing, wait for the dual-core PC (and possibly Apple) models due to ship in the next few months.

What is happening to the MXF file when it is being re-wrapped as a Quicktime? Is the data recompressed, leading to possible artifacts, or is it being adjusted for optimal editing in a QuickTime system without affecting the image and sound?

How long does it take and what are the potential problems? Do you end up with two files, the original and the FCP captured version? Is there any benefit to editing in native MFX? There are good reasons not to edit in native HDV.

There's also a 1080i24PA mode on the HVX, akin to PA mode on the DVX. That would be a pattern of 5 frames also, all being progressive but #5 being a repeat of #4.
Minor correction -- the repeat frame isn't progressive, it's actually a split frame between the one before it and the one after it. So if you're looking at a 24PA sequence on a computer in a 60i timeline, you would see interlacing on the duplicate frame. On a proper implementation of a 24p timeline, that duplicate frame will be dropped and you'll only ever see the original pure 24p sequence.

What is happening to the MXF file when it is being re-wrapped as a Quicktime? Is the data recompressed, leading to possible artifacts, or is it being adjusted for optimal editing in a QuickTime system without affecting the image and sound?
The video data is not touched, it stays exactly as it was, they just change the wrapper. I'm not aware of any changes to the audio.

However, it does break the association with the metadata. The MXF system lets you have all sorts of associated files and information about the clip including an icon that represents it, text memos that describe it, and all sorts of camera data and the serial number of the camera that shot the footage and the serial number of the card that it was recorded on, and just all sorts of stuff. On the bigger cameras there's even provision for an MPEG-4 low-rez proxy file, and GPS satellite positioning info. All of that stuff, and more, is tied to the file in the MXF structure.

Rewrapping the file as Quicktime discards all that info.

If you keep the MXF files as MXF then you can reference back to it and see the info, but that adds another step and makes media management your hassle, rather than the integrated MXF system which takes care of it for you.

How long does it take and what are the potential problems?
It takes about "real time", or a minute per gig, depending on the speed of your computer and the speed of your drives. Now, truth be told, time isn't that much of a problem. It's an annoyance, but if you were going to be copying the files to your hard disk then it's six-of-one, half-dozen-of-another -- it takes about as long to copy the MXF's to your hard disk as it does to import/rewrap.

The major drawbacks are: what if you'd shot on a CinePorter or FireStore? Or if you offloaded the footage to a portable hard disk? With the Apple you'll still have to "import" the footage, spending time that you really shouldn't have to, seeing as the footage is already on a hard disk and could/should be edit-ready.

In a nutshell, Apple's implementation is not optimal. They really should be editing the native MXF files.

Do you end up with two files, the original and the FCP captured version?
Yes.

Is there any benefit to editing in native MXF?
Yes, it's faster (no import/conversion time needed) and you keep all the original metadata and all the file associations. And the P2 card is fast-fast-fast; it's fast enough to support editing six streams of HD straight from the card. It's two to three times faster than many/most hard disks.

There are good reasons not to edit in native HDV.
Yes, but HDV isn't an editing codec, there are many good reasons not to edit in native HDV. DVCPRO-HD gives you a DV-style editing workflow. But whether you're editing from QT or from MXF, the data should be the same and the speed of editing should be the same. It's just that Apple makes you undergo a conversion step before you can get at the footage; Canopus and Avid don't make you wait, you can access it directly.

Kaku, can you shoot some footage in News gamma mode too! This will give a very broad latitude for grading that many are curious about.

Thanks Kaku!

Kaku, just FYI: for NEWS GAMMA, you'd need to be in VIDEO CAM mode, in either 60i or 60p. It took a little while to figure out how to get in News Gamma, so that's the steps I eventually figured out...

Kaku, just FYI: for NEWS GAMMA, you'd need to be in VIDEO CAM mode, in either 60i or 60p. It took a little while to figure out how to get in News Gamma, so that's the steps I eventually figured out...


Barry,

news gamma can't be used in 24? And why kill news gamma at 24, Docs shot at 24 need the NG setting. If not then what is the best way to get the image flat with a wide latitude on the 200. So far the HVX200 is contrasty with current settings that I have seen...

On the pre-release unit I'm using, I could only get news gamma in the "reality" settings: 60p or 60i. Don't know if it'll be that way in the final version, but that's the way it is in this 5-week-old pre-release model.

For wide latitude you'd use Cine_Like_D, and make sure the master pedestal's not too low.

So far the HVX200 is contrasty with current settings that I have seen...
It can look like anything you want it to look like. It's got latitude at least equal to the DVX, if not wider, and substantially wider than the competition. So you just have to pick the settings you want and go with them. Cine-Like-D is optimized for dynamic range, but that's not the default gamma setting so people probably aren't using that one in the sample footage you're seeing. Cine-Like-V is a snappy, contrasty gamma setting optimized for sharp contrast, and I think that's what the F5 preset defaults to, but not the F1 preset, and I think a lot of what we're seeing has probably been shot on the F1 preset.

Barry,

Does the HVX have more menu image adjustments than the DVX?

Any idea when we can see a PDF of the manual from Panasonic?

On the pre-release unit I'm using, I could only get news gamma in the "reality" settings: 60p or 60i. Don't know if it'll be that way in the final version, but that's the way it is in this 5-week-old pre-release model.

For wide latitude you'd use Cine_Like_D, and make sure the master pedestal's not too low.


It can look like anything you want it to look like. It's got latitude at least equal to the DVX, if not wider, and substantially wider than the competition. So you just have to pick the settings you want and go with them. Cine-Like-D is optimized for dynamic range, but that's not the default gamma setting so people probably aren't using that one in the sample footage you're seeing. Cine-Like-V is a snappy, contrasty gamma setting optimized for sharp contrast, and I think that's what the F5 preset defaults to, but not the F1 preset, and I think a lot of what we're seeing has probably been shot on the F1 preset.

Kaku, can you shoot some footage in News gamma mode too! This will give a very broad latitude for grading that many are curious about.

Thanks Kaku!

I'm thinking of going to Meiji shrine briefly and shoot in News gamma mode I guess. There are going to be more than ten thousands of people trying to get in there, so it should be a some scene. Can't spend much time so I would just do the News style only.

And thanks Barry for the information. In the production model is the same, I could not select News gamma in 24p mode. Do you want me to lower the sharpness, too?

Do you want me to lower the sharpness, too?
I think you'd probably prefer the look of your footage with a somewhat lowered detail level; I've been experimenting with the prerelease and I think -5 looks pretty good, but I can't say for the release version because I don't have one yet.

One thing that I've noticed is that having the sharpness up too high makes the footage look noisy, because the high detail level actually sharpens the edges of the noise in the video signal. Pushing the sharpening down some really shows just how clean and low-noise the camera is.

I think you'd probably prefer the look of your footage with a somewhat lowered detail level; I've been experimenting with the prerelease and I think -5 looks pretty good, but I can't say for the release version because I don't have one yet.

One thing that I've noticed is that having the sharpness up too high makes the footage look noisy, because the high detail level actually sharpens the edges of the noise in the video signal. Pushing the sharpening down some really shows just how clean and low-noise the camera is.

Barry, thank you very much for your prompt advice.

I supposed the parameter we are adjusting is "detail" rather than "shapness" and what do you suggest the V detail to be?

Kaku,

If you do lower the sharpness, shoot with it at normal setting and then the lowered setting so we can see were the camera is out of the box.


I'm thinking of going to Meiji shrine briefly and shoot in News gamma mode I guess. There are going to be more than ten thousands of people trying to get in there, so it should be a some scene. Can't spend much time so I would just do the News style only.

And thanks Barry for the information. In the production model is the same, I could not select News gamma in 24p mode. Do you want me to lower the sharpness, too?

Kaku,

If you do lower the sharpness, shoot with it at normal setting and then the lowered setting so we can see were the camera is out of the box.

Michael,

Will do.

Hi Jeff - I personally hope that apple doesn't use pentiumM chips - should be Yonah in the pb range. Then in the second half 2006 - merom, which I'm totally guessing here, will be about the time we'll see Intel optimised pro apps and a roll out of new Intel Power Macs with Conroe - Woodcrest for the xserves.

Maybe we'll see m series chips in the iBook range at MWSF.

Yeah, but if you look at the intended release dates for Intel Mac systems vs. Intel's chip roadmap, Yonah won't be ready yet. ...Unless Apple will just wait until Intel starts shipping the newer chips. I do hope that current P4 and mobile CPU lineups won't go into Mac systems. Current P4/Xeon chips suck, especially the dual-core models. Apple is stupid (IMNSHO) for not going with AMD. Intel must have made them one heck of a deal.

Can you anyone hint me where is the download video for windows pc platform to watch the video?

I am eager to watch it. ;-)

TIA

Regards
Leigh

Hi Jeff -
Intel is expected to formally unveil Yonah along with its "Viiv" media center technology during the Consumer Electronics Show CES linky (http://www.cesweb.org/default_flash.asp) which kicks-off on Jaunary 5th, just days before MWSF.

Dell, in addition are expected to "unveil" Yonah based laptops in Feb.

So I think all this will be happening sooner rather than later.
Anyways, no biggie for me - quite prepared to let this initial Mactel release slide on through UNLESS I absolutely have to jump on one. I'd rather wait for a dual core merom.

edit: aww, who am I trying to kid ... hell, I'll jump on one as soon as they are released if they are dual core yonahs. I've got an old dp 533 tower dvcam rig I really want to replace so Stevo will have have my $$$$. Then unload it when merom comes out.

and what do you suggest the V detail to be?
Unfortunately that's one parameter that's not working on my prerelease HVX, so I can't advise you as I haven't seen it in action. I can say that on the DVX it was a pretty minor effect, there wasn't a tremendous amount of difference between minimum and maximum. If the HVX is similar, then it shouldn't matter too much where you set it.

The thing is, DETAIL LVL adds electronic sharpening (white halos around black edges, etc) and V_DETAIL_LVL doesn't; it adjusts the contrast between lines, but doesn't actually paint in new lines. So it's nowhere near as important a setting as DETAIL LVL is.

Thanks Barry,

I'm posting some DVCPRO50 files as MXF files (wether these file alone would work of Windows users, I don't know) in details being zero and negative five, neews gamma on and off, 60i and 24p, room light on and off.

I hope this helps for PC users.

Hi Kaku,

I am not sure if someone else suggested before, why not wmv format?

TIA

Regards
Leigh

Thanks Barry,

I'm posting some DVCPRO50 files as MXF files (wether these file alone would work of Windows users, I don't know) in details being zero and negative five, neews gamma on and off, 60i and 24p, room light on and off.

I hope this helps for PC users.

Thanks Barry,

I'm posting some DVCPRO50 files as MXF files (wether these file alone would work of Windows users, I don't know) in details being zero and negative five, neews gamma on and off, 60i and 24p, room light on and off.

I hope this helps for PC users.

From what I understand, Pinnacle Liquid users should be able to import those files directly and then export .WMV files for those who don't have MXF-aware editing programs.

Hi Kaku,

I am not sure if someone else suggested before, why not wmv format?

TIA

Regards
Leigh

I simply don't have knowledge in transcode the video to wmv (my work has been concentrated in Mac platform) and it's going to be too much time for me to transcode to unfamilier codec. As it is now, I'm putting other obligations on the side and doing this. My goal here is to provide my clips as raw as possible. Hoping that we find someone that contineously provide conversions to wmv files at reasonable quality and do that part from us.

It's waaay too much work. Lucky it was new years vacation in Japan.

I understand Kaku.
You've been VERY helpful !

Thanks for posting the HVX files.
They are VERY helpful for all of us.

I'm looking forward to the HVX.

thxs,Steve

I have Telestream Flip4Mac so I can encode WMVHD. I did a couple of tests and unfortunately I can see the compression even at 4Mbps. I can do it but it doesn't show the camera at its best.

I have Telestream Flip4Mac so I can encode WMVHD. I did a couple of tests and unfortunately I can see the compression even at 4Mbps. I can do it but it doesn't show the camera at its best.

Hi Craig,

That is fine. It is better than nothing. I look forward to it.

TIA

Regards
Leigh

Right on.
So just encode it at 12 Mbps , like other HD sized footage is encoded.
Problem solved.
-Les


I have Telestream Flip4Mac so I can encode WMVHD. I did a couple of tests and unfortunately I can see the compression even at 4Mbps. I can do it but it doesn't show the camera at its best.

I have Telestream Flip4Mac so I can encode WMVHD. I did a couple of tests and unfortunately I can see the compression even at 4Mbps. I can do it but it doesn't show the camera at its best.

Craig,

Just cut my clips short and convert it with say, 20mbps which si D-VHS quality or digital broadcast quality, so people can see how these files look like on such situation.

Being responsible like how you mentioned, down to 4Mbps and show the compression, is the right kind of attitude towards such work.