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Guest
December 29th, 2005, 09:10 PM
Chris Hurd got the footage uploaded here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57068
- so I removed the link.

So... what is the "Family Truckster" worth?

... an inside joke to those who may remember my quest to find a HD/HDV that would be worthy of replacing the XL2 back in September: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=51082&highlight=family+truckster

Marty Hudzik
December 29th, 2005, 09:17 PM
That footage looks rather weird Derek. What is the frame rate? It almost looks like there is a stutter in there and a weird motion blur. I am not judging the camera by this but this particular clips looks very "fake" 24P. Again I am not saying it is but the encoding is off or something.

Can you clarify what happened? Anyone else seeing a very weird stutter effect and odd blur?

Robert Graf
December 29th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Thanks for posting the footage Derek. Marty, I am also noticing the wierd stuttering and accompanying motion blurs. The stuttering reminds me of the time I shot with an XL2 in 2:3:3:2 pulldown and looked at the viewfinder, which apparently was previewing the motion in 30p or 60i... very similar effect.

Guest
December 29th, 2005, 09:21 PM
I did notice the blur in FCP 5.0.4, but thought it was just due to something Kaku was messing around with. Steev may be able to say if he saw the same thing or not. When I unzipped the file, it automatically opened up in FCP for me and I did not change any settings, as they looked like they were already set up. I've never been able to edit it this format, so I may have not set it up right. I just don't know.

Blurr thing aside, I was paying more attention to the colors and the fact that I could actually edit it, as opposed to what most Canon H1 owners are doing right now with 24F in Final Cut Pro, not through a lack of trying on their part.

Shannon Rawls
December 29th, 2005, 09:23 PM
It must be the conversion to Flash.
I can't beleive the HVX would really look like that. Of all companies, Panasonic is the last one to screw up 24p. They know their stuff.

and what are Canon H1 owners doing Derek? I'm kinda confused as to what you're saying. I don't want to misunderstand you.

- ShannonRawls.com

Marc Olivier Chouinard
December 29th, 2005, 09:28 PM
I got a 1GigE available to this box... Just I pay per gig transfered, not a fixed price. As user probably saw, it fast as hell (but limited to 100mbits rightnow) still my small calc show Im never going to get a HVX200 EVER because of this, it not good...

Ok, called my friend and got a deal for bandwidth, not perfect but better. 25cent/gig transfer. So will be about 28cent/gig for actual transfer. It can only be used for this purposes and no other. Nothing confirmed but looking good.

I had a slight problem before we started, the X-serve hunged up. So I had to reboot it. It seems going to the exact download directory seems little slow right now. But I saw maximum of 20 people logged in and doing download.

My connection don't have bandwith limit. It's FTTH and we have our own server running consisting few X-serves and some G5s.

Besides one of the related site being down right now (because of the previous problem), it is quite running okay. (and I had done this before with XLH1 footage, some popular mountainbike clips and so on).

Oh, and we limited the number connection to protect the bandwith.

Guest
December 29th, 2005, 09:30 PM
and what are Canon H1 owners doing Derek? I'm kinda confused as to what you're saying. I don't want to misunderstand you.

- ShannonRawls.com

Not importing 24F into FCP from what I've been reading. I'm not saying anything negative abou Canon H1 owners, just that it kills me that Canon did not work a little more closely with Apple in making it work with FCP. And If anyone feels my post is too negative or offensive, I'll be happy to delete it.

Shannon, I truly appreciate all of your work over in the H1 forum, but as of now, I've only been able to read about all the great stuff it will do and have not been able to get footage and edit it in FCP. And it was easy to do so today with the stuff Kaku supplied.

Guest
December 29th, 2005, 09:33 PM
I'll add that I was also just able to download the footage referenced just above in line #143 (using the "Kakugyo" search term) and I did not see any of the blur in that at all.

Shannon Rawls
December 29th, 2005, 09:46 PM
Huh? awww man, it's all good, chillout big pimpin'. I was just tryna understand what you were saying. I didn't detect you saying anything negative my man. I just got the colors and editing in FCP thing mixed up, that's all.

I'm a PC dude, so I don't know much about the FCP workflow. Everyting is good for PC users and 24p from the XL-H1.

- ShannonRawls.com

P.S.
Final Cut Pro will be able to edit .M2T files natively right on the timeline in real-time in its next release. *shhhhhhhhh* you didn't hear that from me.

Kaku Ito
December 29th, 2005, 09:46 PM
They have both 24p and 24p advanced, so you have to treat them to make a real 24 frame clips.

Sorry, but I'm not into that much of film stuff but I made sure to have the right shutter speed for each format.

I'm posting the same scene with many formats including 24p, 24pa, 60p and 60i later.

I will do night shooting a little but it is very cold.

Guest
December 29th, 2005, 09:50 PM
Huh? awww man, it's all good, chillout big pimpin'. I was just tryna understand what you were saying. I didn't detect you saying anything negative my man.

I'm a PC dude, so I don't know much about the FCP workflow. Everyting is good for PC users and 24p from the XL-H1.

- ShannonRawls.com

- Sounds Good

Shannon Rawls
December 29th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Kaku,

Did your cellphone survive that blow?
it was a cool shot.

- ShannonRawls.com

Michael Pappas
December 29th, 2005, 09:56 PM
Hey Marc thanks for sharing your space.

Why isn't Chris Hurd hosting these files anyways? Or is he also?


People have to understand that hosting big file is costly. http://hvx200.moctel.com costed me 50$ just for 10hours of operation. That is over 1500$ per month.

I will have to discontinue this, or make a pay per transfered done. No one will host those huge file for free, and if it cost 50cent per gig of transfer, I wont have any problem pay for a few buck for having highdef, uncompress video.

What about 5$ minus paypal fees (50cent I think). Then 50cent per gig, so 9gig of transfer. I'll cover the user upload cost (ofcouse, since I too want to beable to access it fast too...).

If anyone know of other way to get $ out of this so we lower the cost, Im open for sugestion.

Robert Graf
December 29th, 2005, 09:58 PM
Chris posted them a bit ago:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57068

Man, this thread is moving quickly! ;) My gmail indicator keeps beeping like mad!

Chris Hurd
December 29th, 2005, 10:10 PM
Read the thread... I just got in (to Dallas that is) from the road... will be home tomorrow night.

Kaku Ito
December 29th, 2005, 10:23 PM
Kaku,

Did your cellphone survive that blow?
it was a cool shot.

- ShannonRawls.com

The rider is yugo, I'm on the cam. But he happens to be Ito, too. Hahaha.

Actually, he damage the phone on the second clip first, you see him crash on his butt that is when he ripped his rear pocket. The phone did go off, but it turned on okay that time. Then the whip clip, the cellphone slipped off from the ripped pocket like magic ane he ended up hitting it with his chainstay while he was giving a hip trick!!! What a magic. It all happened without any plan, and I was shooting with 60p so it captured with the level of presiceness. This is a beautiful story.

His cellphone survived, the cover and the battery scattered but not cracked.

Kaku Ito
December 29th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Use the "Search this thread" feature and you can search the word "Kakgyo HVX200 Clip" to display only the posts with clips.

Kakugyo HVX200 Clip #4 Static Shot of Vehicle passing by 24 version (http://www.hdvinfo.net/media/kakugyo...ng1080_24p.zip)

So far, only workable with MacOS.

It's the static footage with cars passing by horizantally, while the cam is placed on a tripod. I have similar footage with other cams at my site and some here at HDVinfo.net.

This is shot with 1080/24p with cinelike gamma, Auto Iris.
QuickTime DVCPRO HD codec
File size:97.8MB ziped

Video by Kaku Ito/CreativeSuite (http://creativesuite.com/)
Special Thanks to Provideo-Station Shinjuku (http://www.pv-station.com/)

Chris Hurd
December 29th, 2005, 10:40 PM
Use the "Search this thread" feature and you can search the word "Kakgyo HVX200 Clip" to display only the posts with clips.Actually I gathered all of the clips together and posted them in a new thread here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57068

Kaku Ito
December 29th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Actually I gathered all of the clips together and posted them in a new thread here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57068


Yes, I know, but I need to do this so people have better ideas which clip is what. They are all big files and I want to provide better explaining than just a list of links. Can you make a note about this in the link post?

This is important because the riders need credits.

Chris Hurd
December 29th, 2005, 10:46 PM
Oh yes, I see... I'll edit that post as soon as I can (when I'm back home, tomorrow night) to include all of that information. Thanks again Kaku,

Justyn Rowe
December 29th, 2005, 11:46 PM
Great video. Glad there is such a resource and to view some trials riding. I shot a bunch of trials riding with Doug White for a project that went bust so we put it up online. it's at www.xsportstv.com and it's under the video button.

I appreciate the great footage and look forward to participating in the artistic liberation.


Thanks


Justyn

Marc Olivier Chouinard
December 30th, 2005, 12:27 AM
I couldnt track all the credits for all the clips, if you can send me the one over Im missing, I'll be sure to add them up. You are right, it is important.

http://hvx200.moctel.com/production/Kaku_Ito_www.xtream.ne.jp/

I wont show the link of my server after this. Let home the few who remember it will have happy fast access to as much hvx200 I can hold... Will be up for atless until I get my camera or too many user use it ;) Chris got fast connection, so I'll ask user to go there first for the files.

Yes, I know, but I need to do this so people have better ideas which clip is what. They are all big files and I want to provide better explaining than just a list of links. Can you make a note about this in the link post?

This is important because the riders need credits.

Kaku Ito
December 30th, 2005, 12:39 AM
Marc,

Thanks and it is good enough for now. All of the credit will be notified here, so that should be good. I would also do special edits for these so they will be happy. As far as the main location to provide clips, we should do everything correct. Your effort is much appreciated.

Obin Olson
December 30th, 2005, 10:05 AM
PC solutions yet?

Kaku Ito
January 1st, 2006, 04:11 AM
Use the "Search this thread" feature and you can search the word "Kakgyo HVX200 Clip" to display only the posts with clips.

[url=http://www.hdvinfo.net/media/kakugyo/HVXbamboo108024p.zip]Kakugyo HVX200 Clip #5 Bamboo trees wuthering 24 version[/rul]

So far, only workable with MacOS.

It's the static footage with cars passing by horizantally, while the cam is placed on a tripod. I have similar footage with other cams at my site and some here at HDVinfo.net.

This is shot with 1080/24p with cinelike gamma, Auto Iris.
QuickTime DVCPRO HD codec
File size:97.8MB ziped

Video by Kaku Ito/CreativeSuite
Special Thanks to Provideo-Station Shinjuku

Kaku Ito
January 1st, 2006, 04:22 AM
Use the "Search this thread" feature and you can search the word "Kakgyo HVX200 Clip" to display only the posts with clips.

[url=http://www.hdvinfo.net/media/kakugyo/HVXbamboo108024p.zip]Kakugyo HVX200 Clip #5 Bamboo trees wuthering 24 version[/rul]

So far, only workable with MacOS.

The same bamboo trees wuthering from the winds as FX1, HC1 footage I had provided before. The hour is ealier so this clip with HVX200 is a lot brighter.

This is shot with 1080/24p with cinelike gamma, Auto Iris.
QuickTime DVCPRO HD codec
File size:160.4MB ziped

Video by Kaku Ito/CreativeSuite
Special Thanks to Provideo-Station Shinjuku

Kaku Ito
January 1st, 2006, 04:23 AM
Use the "Search this thread" feature and you can search the word "Kakgyo HVX200 Clip" to display only the posts with clips.

Kakugyo HVX200 Clip #5 Bamboo trees wuthering 24 version (http://www.hdvinfo.net/media/kakugyo/HVXbamboo108024p.zip)

So far, only workable with MacOS.

The same bamboo trees wuthering from the winds as FX1, HC1 footage I had provided before. The hour is ealier so this clip with HVX200 is a lot brighter.

This is shot with 1080/24p with cinelike gamma, Auto Iris.
QuickTime DVCPRO HD codec
File size:160.4MB ziped

Video by Kaku Ito/CreativeSuite (http://creativesuite.com/)
Special Thanks to Provideo-Station Shinjuku

Kaku Ito
January 1st, 2006, 04:27 AM
Chris, I made some mess above. Please ommit the first two.

Kaku Ito
January 1st, 2006, 04:59 AM
I'm going to continue the posting at xtream.ne.jp for now. It is too much process to put them here and make necessary credit writings and links.

Chris, we maybe transfer the files after some people make recommendation at my site, and post them here. What do you think?

Michael Pappas
January 1st, 2006, 06:58 AM
Got it, thanks Kaku.... :-)

Chris, can you delete this now. I used it to contact Kaku about his web site. Thanks

Craig Seeman
January 1st, 2006, 09:39 AM
Michael,

I had same registration problem. In my case it seemed my password was too short. It seems it must be 6 characters.

Kaku Ito
January 1st, 2006, 09:45 AM
Michael,

I had same registration problem. In my case it seemed my password was too short. It seems it must be 6 characters.

Ah, that is not described in English, I would add that soon.
Thanks Craig.

I'm adding one clip right now with one kid playing around with his new mini lite-saber with his dad in front of Kiddyland in Harajuku. Somewhat dark.

Kaku Ito
January 1st, 2006, 11:33 AM
many night time clips are added at xtream.ne.jp. Chirs, if you like them, you can transfer them to your ftp.

Lee Faulkner
January 1st, 2006, 01:22 PM
Thanks for the footage Kaku...

Downloaded it here... unzipped it and straight into FCP5 on my 15"G4 powerbook and playback perfect.

It's eyeopening for me to see the clarity in the Cinema Desktop mode... all off a standard internal drive!

I think the curtains are being rised on something big!

Lee

Marc Olivier Chouinard
January 1st, 2006, 01:42 PM
many night time clips are added at xtream.ne.jp. Chirs, if you like them, you can transfer them to your ftp.
Great, see you put the descriptions for the other clips too, Im mirroring all that.
I can't wait to beable to play them out on my PC lol ;)

Kaku Ito
January 1st, 2006, 10:51 PM
yeah, it's a lot of work. My eyes are killing me since my eyes are suffering from presbyopia and on top of that, I had a tiny metal piece poke my left eyeball few months ago and made it really worse.

Anyhow, I posted a lot more ay my site including various DVCPRO50 formats.

Marc, will the donation give you enough to cover the expenses? Please let me know because I want to know for the future references. My company's server is holding up since I set it through registration scheme to control the traffic.

Lee,
I'm glad that it is working for you.

Jim Arthurs
January 1st, 2006, 11:24 PM
Kaku, thanks for all your work!

I had a little 3D tracking fun with a section of one of your biking clips over at dvxuser and though you might like to see it, here's the thread...

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=42411

Or, a direct link to the QT I made (8megs)...

http://ftp.datausa.com/imageshoppe/outgoing/HVX/BIKE_vrs_ROBOT.mov

The HVX provides a MUCH better source for tracking than the Z1... less barrel distortion on the wide angle range of the lens, and the DVCPRO codec beats HDV hands down in frame to frame tracking.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs

Chris Hurd
January 1st, 2006, 11:27 PM
my eyes are suffering from presbyopiaAck. This is my new nemesis as well. I really hate presbyopia. Not only is it incredibly annoying, it also means that I am not a young man anymore, not by a long shot.

Guest
January 1st, 2006, 11:29 PM
That's nice Jim! If I did not know it from your post I would have thought it was real. I would have thought it was some sort of movie prop in the middle of the street to promote one of the latest releases or something like that.

Kaku Ito
January 1st, 2006, 11:36 PM
Kaku, thanks for all your work!

I had a little 3D tracking fun with a section of one of your biking clips over at dvxuser and though you might like to see it, here's the thread...

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=42411

Or, a direct link to the QT I made (8megs)...

http://ftp.datausa.com/imageshoppe/outgoing/HVX/BIKE_vrs_ROBOT.mov

The HVX provides a MUCH better source for tracking than the Z1... less barrel distortion on the wide angle range of the lens, and the DVCPRO codec beats HDV hands down in frame to frame tracking.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs


Ah, Jim, it's you, I saw your post not wanting to watch me doing the figure 8 in front of my office. That concept is to do the comparisons between the cam and it was the easiest way to get help from my wife to show people something so please understand the situation. My wife is always being alone living here in Japan, not being able to get around by herself because she does not have confidence going around by herself, and often she feels sick getting out but by having her shooting cams with me give her things to do. I'm putting our lives, work, interests, education and my leasure time all together to do this, so I hope you understand my situation. Yes, I'm lucky in the way that I was able to establish what I like to do for living, but it took more than 17 years to do that. I have short comming in my shooting technics but I have access to many things to provide infos and evidences to broadcast. I even hesitated to do this because of your post, but ample of people here encouraged me that they can still figure out the quality of camera even with my limited ability of shooting video. So, I hope I served you better this time and thank you very much for using my clips to do your testing :). That is great. I loved what you did with it!

Jipsi Kinnear
January 1st, 2006, 11:41 PM
Ack. This is my new nemesis as well. I really hate presbyopia. Not only is it incredibly annoying, it also means that I am not a young man anymore, not by a long shot.


Sadly I'm in the same boat. Nothing like a little blurry vision to remind one that we're not immortal.

PS: Kaku, thanks for all your work over the past several days in regards to the HVX and thanks to everybody else who posted. I'm a "production" person in film not a techie, without all the mostly unbiased info here on dv info net, I would still feel like a little fish drowning in a big techie sea.

Happy New Year's to all out there...on planet earth and beyond.

Jipsi K.

Jim Arthurs
January 2nd, 2006, 12:25 AM
Ah, Jim, it's you, I saw your post not wanting to watch me doing the figure 8 in front of my office.

Thanks Kaku... that post months ago on dvxuser was done more in frustration, fearing that Panasonic wouldn't first make available pro clips of the HVX in a polished production similar to what Canon did with "The Watchmaker" and is not a reflection on your work.

You have provided a set of first eyes on these cameras, and invaluable help for others trying to make decisions. I'm pretty sure you're at least half responsible for me getting the Z1 based off of the quality of your bike clips, and now with the HVX you're reassuring my mind on this purchase decision as well.

Thanks again, and I hope you keep doing what you do with each new camera that comes out. Taking the time to share your experiences is valuable to many. The video you provided from the expo with hands on the HVX was very helpful as well! I must have watched it four or five times.

With regards,

Jim Arthurs

Michael Pappas
January 2nd, 2006, 01:00 AM
Nice work Jim. What 3d sw? I use EIAS and Silo!


Kaku, thanks for all your work!

I had a little 3D tracking fun with a section of one of your biking clips over at dvxuser and though you might like to see it, here's the thread...

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=42411

Or, a direct link to the QT I made (8megs)...

http://ftp.datausa.com/imageshoppe/outgoing/HVX/BIKE_vrs_ROBOT.mov

The HVX provides a MUCH better source for tracking than the Z1... less barrel distortion on the wide angle range of the lens, and the DVCPRO codec beats HDV hands down in frame to frame tracking.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs

Michael Pappas
January 2nd, 2006, 01:01 AM
Nice work Jim. What 3d sw did you use? I use EIAS and Silo!



Kaku, thanks for all your work!

I had a little 3D tracking fun with a section of one of your biking clips over at dvxuser and though you might like to see it, here's the thread...

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=42411

Or, a direct link to the QT I made (8megs)...

http://ftp.datausa.com/imageshoppe/outgoing/HVX/BIKE_vrs_ROBOT.mov

The HVX provides a MUCH better source for tracking than the Z1... less barrel distortion on the wide angle range of the lens, and the DVCPRO codec beats HDV hands down in frame to frame tracking.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs

Jim Arthurs
January 2nd, 2006, 01:24 AM
Nice work Jim. What 3d sw did you use? I use EIAS and Silo!

Thanks Michael... I used Icarus (now called PFTrack) and Lightwave with a stock model to do the 3D... radiosity rendered with a plugin called FPrime. Composited in After Effects. Took a couple hours from start to finish, with only about 40 minutes to render the element at 960 by 720.

Originally I was just going to try the raw track and lay down a simple grid, then the track turned out nice and I started adding stuff...

I hear good things about Silo.

The HVX is gonna be a huge boon for a personal HD camera... can't wait to try a greenscreen shot!

Jim Arthurs

Kaku Ito
January 2nd, 2006, 01:32 AM
Ah, Jim,

I happened to have the reflecmedia with green light here. Hehe.

What should we shoot for this collaboration?

Marc Olivier Chouinard
January 2nd, 2006, 07:43 AM
Donation slowed down my lost alittle, it help to keep it up. Cost is 92 $ so far, total donation is 16$. It not much but I apreciate alot people who did contribute. There is less traffic also, that helping rightnow. It started with 150gig/day. That mean 11 donation per day of 4$ would have been needed to cover the cost. Paypal also take 42cent per transaction !!!

Im still thinking of a $ subscription based system, so people pay for their traffic, so I'll be sure not to lose anything.

Im mirroring those new files again ;)

yeah, it's a lot of work. My eyes are killing me since my eyes are suffering from presbyopia and on top of that, I had a tiny metal piece poke my left eyeball few months ago and made it really worse.

Anyhow, I posted a lot more ay my site including various DVCPRO50 formats.

Marc, will the donation give you enough to cover the expenses? Please let me know because I want to know for the future references. My company's server is holding up since I set it through registration scheme to control the traffic.

Lee,
I'm glad that it is working for you.

Jim Arthurs
January 2nd, 2006, 10:12 AM
Ah, Jim,

I happened to have the reflecmedia with green light here. Hehe.

What should we shoot for this collaboration?

That is right, I forgot about your rig! I remember it from your FX1 testing. You could always get the singer back, and tell her it's for a good cause! :)

Seriously, anything is fine as a subject, just turn the camera detail down to, say, -5 as Barry Green suggests. And no hurry, we've got lots to look at thanks to you.

Jim Arthurs

Kaku Ito
January 3rd, 2006, 04:37 AM
Jim,

I will do something tomorrow, I hope.

Our reflecmedia is with 2m x 2m chromatte, so can't do anything large (especially the video being 16x9), so it will be bust and up.
Why don't I shoot someone on one side of the screen, and you can put the back ground and a CG cast on the other side?

......to do this, I should start a new thread. Please respond to the new thread for this particular collaboration.

Kaku Ito
January 4th, 2006, 08:04 AM
I posted a comparison zip file with 0 gain and +12db at my site (this is FCP files).