Hi, I have a GH6 with which I only take 4K videos. I'm going on a trip soon and I should take some shots of rituals inside homes. Not at night but during the day. I can't film with the GH6 because it would be too annoying. I would like a small camera that works well in 4K (if it also works well in AUTO, it is even better) and whose clips can be mixed with those made with the GH6 outdoors without too many quality differences. Again, I will only use it indoors. Should I buy it, do you recommend any small or very small cameras at an affordable cost? Thank you

What sort of rituals are you planning on filming?

Andrew

What sort of rituals are you planning on filming?
Filipino healers

I would suggest the GoPro Hero 12 black. It is fully auto but with manual options if preferred, shoots up to 5.3k 10-bit in GPlog or Flat to make it easier to match with other cameras in post and Linear if you don't like the fisheye effect. Hypersmooth means no need of a tripod most of the time.

I have partnered mine with a Sennheiser MKE 200 microphone and it makes an excellent combo. The Rode Videomicro works well too, but the Sennheiser is less obtrusive.

I would suggest the GoPro Hero 12 black.
But can it shoots indoors with ambient light?
Don't you think DJI Osmo Pocket 3 Creator Combo is better since it has a CMOS da 1'' sensor?
Thank you

Sensor size is not the only thing that effects performance in low light. You need to dig deeper if you want to compare cameras properly.

I can't speak for the Osmo, I've never tried one, but I have had good results from the Hero 7 (8-bit no log) and the Hero 11 (10-bit no log), both indoors and outdoors at night with only available light. The Hero 12 is almost exactly the same as the 11, but with GPlog and a few other additional settings plus, at last, a tripod bush. Like any camera, GoPros take a while to find the best settings for your useage, but the Hero 12 allows saving and naming presets for particular scenarios, for almost instant recall.

Add the Mediamod and it has a reasonable microphone, two cold shoes in one of which I fit my preferred Sennheiser, along with mini-HDMI, USB-C and 3.5mm microphone sockets.

But can it shoots indoors with ambient light?
Don't you think DJI Osmo Pocket 3 Creator Combo is better since it has a CMOS da 1'' sensor?
Thank you
yeah you'll need some sort of 1" small camera. I'd pick either Osmo Pocket 3 or Action 4. Ironically both by DJI. Both would be great to have outside of this situation.

yeah you'll need some sort of 1" small camera. I'd pick either Osmo Pocket 3 or Action 4. Ironically both by DJI. Both would be great to have outside of this situation.

I think with Action 4 you get better video quality than Pocket 3 but I think Pocket 3 is more versatile for filming. I never will use Action 4 in sport time or or diving. What would you buy between them?

I think with Action 4 you get better video quality than Pocket 3 but I think Pocket 3 is more versatile for filming. I never will use Action 4 in sport time or or diving. What would you buy between them?
Even though you don't do sports one advantage of the an action camera is compactness and durability.

There a few things you can do with an action camera:
-mount it on top of your GH6 this provides two fields of view while filming
-mount it to you chest or head. frees up your hands
-mount it to dashboard of car or even outside the car to film you driving to a location

The pocket is the better for walking around although it's main advantage is filming yourself which you might not need. The only downside is its more fragile and the case is a bit awkward and it isn't weather sealed so if you get caught out in the rain... Maybe get insurance if you can. Out in the field not hard to drop or damage when you're juggling equipment in the dark.

I still do like the pocket but saying that I haven't used it.

I have a GH5, a Hero 7, a Pocket 2 and now a Pocket 3, which is now my preferred camera due to its excellent image quality, and sheer convenience. It can shoot in 10 bit log and has a low light mode but it is so compact and convenient that I now use it for promo shoots.

Two advantages of the P3 for your work is that you can place it on its tripod, step away and control it remotely as a PTZ camera using your smartphone, while placing the DJI Mic 2 radio mike wherever convenient. The Mic 2 will also record independently in 32 bit float while the P3 records from its own mikes. Altogether, the P3 with the Creator Combo is an incredibly capable package.

I have a GH5, a Hero 7, a Pocket 2 and now a Pocket 3, which is now my preferred camera due to its excellent image quality,

Hello I I just ordered the Pocket 3 and am waiting for it. Can you tell me what precise type of microSD I should buy and what capacity? An hour of recording in 4K 50p 10 bit, how much space could it take up? Thank you.

Is this OK?
https://www. amazon.it/SanDisk-microSDXC-adattatore-prestazioni-Rosso-Grigio/dp/B08GY8NHF2/ref=sr_1_13?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1FLUIUA95LEKQ&keywords=microSD+256+GB&qid=1706899360&sprefix=microsd+256+gb%2Caps%2C291&sr=8-13

Or is this better for Pocket 3?
https://www. amazon.it/SanDisk-microSDXC-adattatore-RescuePRO-prestazioni/dp/B09X7CRKRZ/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1FLUIUA95LEKQ&keywords=microSD+256+GB&qid=1706899669&sprefix=microsd+256+gb%2Caps%2C291&sr=8-8

Good choice.

You need the second one, designated U3, for 4K 50p recording. I've never had a problem with Sandisk Extreme SD cards.

I recorded 3.5 mins of 10 bit HEVC today and it took up 2.88GB so a 256GB card should give you at least 4 hours of recording, but your batteries will probably last less than half of that time.

You need the second one, designated U3, for 4K 50p recording. I've never had a problem with Sandisk Extreme SD cards.

Since the price is not much different, do you think the "PRO" of Sandisk version is even better? Thanks again.

In 2024, I wouldn't spend money on any card that is not at least V90.

I'd like to understand the speed of the first microSD (V30) is 200 MB/s and the second one (V90) is 160 MB/s. I am not an expert, maybe am I wrong?

https://www.amazon.it/SanDisk-microSDXC-adattatore-RescuePRO-prestazioni/dp/B09X7DMBVF/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=sandisk+extreme+pro+256+gb&qid=1706907457&sr=8-5

https://www.amazon.it/Recupero-Gratuito-Gigastone-Specialmente-Adattatore/dp/B0BYDHB2JP/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=3FWBC4OUDBAUC&keywords=microsd+v90+256GB&qid=1706987408&sprefix=microsd+v90+256gb%2Caps%2C279&sr=8-8

Plan for the future, not just to meet the very minimum specifications you THINK you can get away with today. Cards are dirt cheap now. There's no reason not to invest in better cards.


https://progradedigital.com/memory-cards-101-your-guide-to-different-memory-cards-for-digital-cameras/

"SDXC V60 and SDXC V90 Memory Cards

Not all SDXC cards are created equal. They differ greatly in both the read and write speeds. Latter is especially important when shooting video, as that requires a stable minimum write speed to avoid frame drops and errors during recording.

SDXC cards that can handle large amounts of streaming data carry a Video Speed Class rating. This is marked on the card with the letter “V” followed by a number. The “V” stands for video, and the number displays the minimum sequential write speed in MB/s. For example, the write speed of the V90 card is guaranteed not to drop below 90MB/s.

Since higher-speed cards can handle more data in the same amount of time, they allow digital cameras to do more. Just put an SDXC V60 or V90 card in your camera (instead of a slower V30), and a whole new world of possibilities opens up for you. Memory cards for digital cameras have come a long way!

For instance, the V30 card limits the Sony a7s III camera to a mere 1080p video at 120fps. Plus, you can’t go above 4:2:0 8 bit colors or exceed 100mbps data rate. SDXC V60 cards, at the same time, can easily handle 280mbps and allow you to shoot 4K video at 120fps with 4:2:2 10 bit colors. SDXC V90 cards push this even further and let you shoot 4K at 600mbps.

Similar opportunities arise with Nikon, Panasonic, Canon, and other digital cameras when faster cards are used. For that reason, dedicated photographers and cinematographers should always stick to either SDXC V60 or SDXC V90 memory cards whenever using an SD-card-compatible camera."

Shooting 4K for many years using cards with the U3 designation in a number of cameras has never been a problem.

But to be sure, I've just recorded a 4K 120 slo-mo sequence in 10 bit with no problems on my Pocket 3 using this card and it worked perfectly. Buy more expensive faster cards if you want but the P3 will probably not be able to take advantage of it.

https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40125&stc=1&d=1706991602

Adriano …. Interesting thread you have here. There is often a conundrum with trying to select something to buy in tech because the technical stuff keeps changing. Doug wrote a good post about SD cards and as the little cards have also been really changing he did a good job in explaining the various differences. And, made a good point about getting better cards.

While the years have gone by I’ve managed to collect a number of cards but have difficulty throwing the old ones away. You never can tell when you might need one, maybe even to sell an old item? The good part is they don’t take up much room and it takes time to figure out what to get rid of. Dug into a zip-loc bag with my SD card and thumb drive collection and thought I’d share a bit of history.

The picture shows how they’ve changed in size, both physically and in capability. Omitted is the micro size because they’re being used, but included the new Sony Tough card, and, since the bag also had thumb drives, the oldie but goodie (can’t bear to part with) PNY 16G thumb drive (that cost quite a bit back in the day).

As a justification for paying less for a new card, say, for example, one that will do what you want for now, perhaps when it (the existing card) does get upgraded the old one could be re-purposed in another device such as a recorder, or? Just a thought. But sooner or later, whatever one gets, it will (speaking for myself) eventually wind up in the oldie-but-goodie collection.

Edit: Sorry for the poor quality of the picture. The original file size was too large so downsized it, consequently, the detail was lost; already deleted the original. The lower left SD card is 32GB/U1/C10/45mb/HC1; next is 64GB/U3/C10/95mb/XC1; then 128GB/U3/C10/95mb. The Tough card is 64GB/300r/299w/V90/U3/SCII ($!)
The two upper left are circa ~2000±, I think.
As a X3000 user, its good to read posts about use of the small sport-sized cams.

It is nice to read all these interesting threads. I'm enjoying.
I am learning various things from you that I didn't know, but a question comes to me spontaneously:
I have a Sony SD that I compacted when I had an old camera, about 6-7 years ago. I also used it with the subsequent Lumix GH5, and now I'm also using it with the Lumix GH6 in 4K. Of course, I mainly use CFexpress but sometimes (rarely) also old Sony SDs.
Why today buy a V90 microSD for the Osmo Pocket 3 and spend 3 times more than a normal microSD that can easily be used by the Osmo Pocket 3 without problems? Surely when I change the Pocket 3 in a few years and I have a new camera, I will buy a new microSD suitable for that camera. So the microSD will be new, while the V90 microSD that I bought a few years earlier, after several years of use, will have become old and worn. This way I will spend less and get the same results.

This is true. I have a number of very old SD cards I bought to record in AVCHD camcorders when they first came out. Some of those cards still work and I use them in my audio recorders now.

I bought new SD cards for my 4K cameras and will buy new media when I start recording in 8K, which hopefully will be fairly soon.

If you buy high-performance SD cards hoping that they will be usable in future generations of equipment they may turn out not to be suitable and will probably be superseded by cards that are much faster and cheaper than any you can buy now.