Hi everybody,

What's the best 4K camcorder for wildlife that is under $7,000 or at least not super expensive? My main experience with fancy wildlife camcorders was with the Canon XL series years ago.

Ideally, I would want something that has image quality at least as good as the Sony FDR-AX100 and can zoom a lot farther than the Zeiss lens on the FDR-AX100 (either on its own or in conjunction with my Canon EF lenses or other lenses). Is this a realistic preference? I'm not sure what's out there. I think the FDR-AX100 is great, but I really want to zoom closer to some animals.

I'm making a natural history production about a lava flow close to my family's land in northern California, and I want the quality of my footage to hold up for awhile as I might not be done for a few more years.

From roughly 2004-2009, I enjoyed getting lots of wildlife footage with Canon XL1S and Canon XLH1 camcorders. I used Canon EF 100-400 and 28-300 mm lenses with the XL adapter and was able to get super close shots. I made three documentaries that were broadcast on local PBS stations.

In 2017, I finally tried 4K and got a used Sony FDR-AX100. I'm really happy with its performance and image quality and have gotten lots of wildlife footage with it, but I've hardly researched 4K camcorders, and I'm not sure what's out there and what my best options would be.

Thank you,
Tristan

I am a nature videographer for going on 20 years. Have owned lots of cameras. My current rig that I am very happy with is the Panasonic GH5 and the Olympus 75-300 (150-600 effective). It is well under your 7K amount. More like 2K. There is no gear out there that I would rather have.
This was shot with it. A Peaceful Morning on Vimeo

Hi Mark,

Thank you for the quick reply. I looked up the GH5, and the Panasonic Lumix DC-GH5S looks like a good option that is supposed to be more tailored to video than other versions. The Olympus 75-300 mm lens seems pretty affordable, which is great. Are there any other accessories you would recommend? I already have pretty good tripods and heads and will want to get at least one extra battery.

Nice shots of the great blue heron. Wetland wildlife will be a major focus of my efforts.

Thanks,
Tristan

My full kit is the GH5, Panasonic 12-60, Olympus 60mm macro, Olympus 75-300 and Benro tripod. That covers all the bases for me and is pretty light for hiking. Got rid of my jib and slider. They produced some cool shots but setup and transport was more trouble than it was worth. The only thing I might add is one of the smaller drones that shoot 4k. Here is a recent video shot in 4K and slow zooms done in post.

Springtime on Goforth Creek (4K) on Vimeo

Great image quality on those videos. The lenses look like they would have you covered for scenery, close things, and far things. Yeah, it's nice to be able to travel quite a bit with a kit. My old XL setups got pretty cumbersome, which limited where I went. Any recommendations on drones? I have a GoPro Hero 7, which I thought would be a good drone camera.

I'm sold on the GH5S, but now, I need to figure out my telephoto lens choices.

What would be the best options for a lens on the GH5 that is more powerful (e.g., 400 mm or greater) than the Olympus 75-300 mm? That lens seems great, but I'm willing to pay for more zoom power. I could get a Canon EF adapter (for about $650) and probably mount my EF 28-300 mm f/3.5-5.6 L USM and EF 100-400 mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS USM lenses on the GH5S, but I'm not sure how that image quality would compare to getting a powerful lens that does not need an adapter (e.g., Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmar 100-400mm f/4-6.3). Also, if the adapter route is preferable, then I'm guessing I would have a lot more options and research to do.

With my Canon XL cameras and the EF adapter XL, I was able to get 7.2x magnification for my EF lenses, which was great for bighorns, distant grizzlies, etc. Is something like that achievable with the GH5 while retaining good image quality?

The Metabones T Speed Booster Ultra 0.71x Adapter for Canon Full-Frame EF-Mount Lens to Micro Four Thirds-Mount Camera looks like it might do a similar thing but not zoom quite so far. With the 35 mm conversion for the GH5 and this adapter, I think I would be getting a 2.71x magnification of whatever the mm range is for the lens I'm using (i.e., 203-813 mm for a 75-300 mm lens). I also have a 1.4x extender that works with my Canon 100-400 mm lens, but I rarely use it as the zoom boost isn't huge, and the light isn't as good with it.

I dug into the stats for my FDR-AX100, and it looks like its zoom is equivalent to 29-348 mm for a 35 mm still camera, so all options I mentioned would be magnification boosters.

Thanks for the feedback. It's exciting to learn there are now some very high quality wildlife cameras that are much more affordable than things were 15 years ago.

Consider the Olympus 100-400. It is about $1499. But you are going to be giving up the compact size of the 75-300 and it will weigh more than twice as much. Image quality will be better than the 75-300. Keep in mind that it will be 200-800 effective and you can punch in more with "ETC" which only slightly affects IQ. If you need more there is a dedicated 1.4x and 2.0x Olympus converter.

I'm leaning toward getting a Metabones Canon EF Lens to Micro Four Thirds T Smart Adapter initially (can be around $300 used; don't need the booster version and read it would actually decrease zoom), so I can utilize the Canon lenses I already have with the GH5S, but after looking into the Olympus 100-400, I think that lens with a teleconverter may be one of the best clarity/zoom power combos available for the GH5S.

Anybody have any other suggestions on camcorders? What I've read about the GH5S makes it seem like a great wildlife option, but I'm wondering what a good equivalent camcorder (not a DSLR) would be. The GH5S might work great for me, but I tried the DSLR video route with the Canon 70D and was not happy with it. The video quality was poor, and I had to mess with the settings a lot for best results (which I'm not great at doing). I like having something with a good auto mode that enables me to shoot immediately with acceptable to great results. For me, this has been the case with the old Canon XL cameras and the Sony FDR-AX100.

This with a GH5 and a Olympus 100-400 plus 1.4x TC. Straight off the SD card more or less. 4K provided one doesn't watch via Apple Safari (GRRRRR!).

I'd have a shorter zoom lens as well if going down this route which far better than the one I was on with my old XLH1 (still have it if anyone interested).

Need, of course, appropriate computer hard and software for 4K.

https://youtu.be/MkIwc_LgNng

Ron

Amazed at the depth of field you are getting with the lens and the 1.4x converter.

Hello Mark,

I have admired the work you have posted here for years! Your imagery is stunning...from framing to focus dissolves and placement, etc.! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and incredible skills. I look forward to more in the future.

Jeff

I just bought a Panasonic Lumix GH6 ($2,100). I had the matching Leica 100-400 zoom lens ($2,500). I previously shot with a GH5. Forget the controversy about the autofocus. This camera is superb for wildlife. It shoots in 4K/422/10 bit and the images are way sharper than anything the GH5 could produce.
The autofocus, while not up to Sony (A1?) or Canon R5 or R6 standards, latches on and follows subjects pretty well. Just don't let any people get in your frame, because it will drop whatever you are following and glom on to the human any chance it gets!

There is a wide array of slow motion options available, up to 300 fps, it has V-Log and an image stabilizer that is so good that you can do dolly shots just by walking with the camera. It uses power-hungry CF cards, and the battery only lasts a little more than an hour in normal use, mostly not actually filming. That's an issue, but I don't know what the competitors are like. The fact that it is micro 4/3, with an extra crop setting that gives 6X magnification over a full size sensor is what sold me on it. The excellent image quality was a pleasant surprise.

That all sounds good, but for under $7000 the Sony FX6 absolutely runs circles around everything else on the market for wildlife.

Full frame sensor
World's best AF of any video camera on the market
Manual and AF simultaneously
Built-in electronic Variable ND Filter (like turning the dimmer on a light)
Dual ISO
4K @ 120 fps slow motion in full 10-bit 4:2:2
1.5x Clear Image Zoom in 4K
Up to 30 seconds of picture cache
Slow-motion + Picture cache simultaneously (the only Sony camera to offer than capability)
Dual 4K recording
Proxy files
Duration counter
Custom clip naming
4 channels of 24-bit 48 kHz audio
Huge selection of great Sony lenses
Excellent ergonomics with tons of external professional camcorder functions
Records on ordinary SDXC cards
etc.

The Variable ND Filter and Picture Cache + Slow Motion at the same time are revolutionary and make the camera perfect for wildlife. Nothing else can touch it. All the other features are just bonus.

https://youtu.be/xCYnyDWxfxw

https://youtu.be/1diMxndHjH4

https://youtu.be/KHARHB-3TJ0

The fx6 is 6K for the body only, ideal combo would be a 200-600 and a 2x extender but that would add up to 8,5K

Note the title of the thread: Best 4K wildlife CAMCORDER under $7,000

Yes. Lenses, batteries, tripod, a case, etc. are going to be extra. But those are all investments that will long outlive the camera itself, so need to be considered separately. I
There's no question that the FX6 is the best wildlife camera under $7K right now, and it still leaves $1000 in the budget for some accessories.

The title doesn't say it has to be 7K excl lenses and a camcorder can also mean a fixed lens camera like the Sony FDR-AX100 that is being referred to.

If the OP truly wants a traditional one-piece camcorder, rather than a mirrorless camera or cinema camera with a removal lens, then the best choice is the Sony Z280. It's under $7K and includes lens, battery, etc. Everything you need to take it out of the box and start shooting. The Z280 is basically a junior version of the $35K Z750 and includes many of the same specifications and capabilities.

This video is 100% Z280 and shot in one weekend.

https://youtu.be/yu1crWvcdJU


https://youtu.be/JeCjw7D9XDc

The title doesn't say it has to be 7K excl lenses and a camcorder can also mean a fixed lens camera like the Sony FDR-AX100 that is being referred to.

Depends on your definition of "camcorder". But see my post above.

What is YOUR suggestion? You have suggested nothing.

My suggestion would be what Mark Williams, Ronald Jackson, Steve Siegel said, is that OK for you?

If you don't have any suggestions of your own, or anything meaningful to add to the discussion, why post at all on the thread? Do you think the rest of use don't know that a lens will be required for the FX6? If your "suggestion" is to listen to Mark, Ronald, and Steve, you should have said so in the first place. Those other people you mention are already took the time to post their suggestions, which come from personal experience of shooting with the cameras they are talking about. Their comments have validity because they come from experience. Do you even shoot wildlife?

Yes, I occasionally shoot wildlife and my suggestion for camera's and lenses are the same as the other posters I mentioned.

Not only that, but In areas with sales tax, that will be an additional cost to the marked price.

Based on a quick search, "The current total local sales tax rate in Seattle, Washington, is 10.250% . The December 2020 total local sales tax rate was 10.100% ."

Not only that, but In areas with sales tax, that will be an additional cost to the marked price.Based on a quick search, "The current total local sales tax rate in Seattle, Washington, is 10.250% . The December 2020 total local sales tax rate was 10.100% ."

What??? You're out of your mind. Nobody includes sales tax when talking about the cost of gear. And why stop there, anyway? What if he's in a 25% federal income tax bracket? Doesn't that need to be taken into account because the true cost is really 25% more if he is purchasing with after tax dollars. Does Washington state have an income tax? If so, how much is it, because that should be taken into account as well. Will he have to pay property taxes every year on the camera, because that certainly needs to be factored in to the true cost.

From now on, whenever there is a discussion of budget, it only makes senes for the OP to provide full financial disclosure and a business plan. Otherwise, how can we offer meaningful advice?

What??? You're out of your mind. Nobody includes sales tax when talking about the cost of gear.

Agreed. Sales taxes vary widely among states. If your in B&H’s store and buy a camera you will pay New York State’s base 4.00% sales tax plus New York City’s 4.875% sales tax for a total of 8.875%. When I buy from B&H online and have the item shipped to my home I only pay Connecticut’s 6.35% sales tax. No one likes paying sales taxes. If the cost of the item plus sales tax is more than you are willing to pay, then you can’t afford the item.

If we are talking taxes and you are professional and run a business, you have to add property taxes to the mix, which is a yearly cost of doing business. These vary by city or municipality where I live.

The GH6 looks interesting and for what you get for the cost is a nice camera for video. Panasonic has thrown in just about every function and video feature they could into this small camera. (No, Doug, there isn't variable ND, which is a lovely function. Sony is way ahead on that one.) Full frame is nice for some kinds of shooting but is overrated for wildlife and doc work. I would take the Z280 also (which you can't buy currently from venders. They appear to be out of stock everywhere); perhaps they will update it with a better autofocus and more current media when they do bring it back. I actually would like a new APS-C camera with the latest Sony feature set; I'm not holding my breath waiting. I am tempted by the A7iV for that reason, but I have't moved on that one yet.

(No, Doug, there isn't variable ND, which is a lovely function. Sony is way ahead on that one.)

Not only no variable ND, but no built-in ND whatsoever. That makes it much harder to keep up with changing lighting conditions, and to quickly modify the exposure settings when going from regular frame-rates to slow-motion, whcih is something I do constantly. Successful wildlife shooting means you have to be ready for anything. A couple of extra seconds to change settings can mean the difference between getting a great shot or going home with nothing special to show for your time effort. There is rarely time for unscrewing an ND filter and putting on another. And variable ND filters that use two rotating polarizers are not ideal because they cause too many artifacts.

Also, I would disagree that full-frame is overkill for wildlife. Shallow DoF is a great way to separate wildlife from the foreground and background. I try to keep my DoF as shallow as I can possibly make it at all times. A FF sensor makes It easier to get shallow DoF and, contrary to what inexperienced shooters may think, it also makes focusing easier.

Yes, I realize that mirrorless cameras suffer from lack of built in ND among other things, but they are packing a lot of functionality into a very small and portable unit.

Doug, something I forgot to mention: your footage of the horned owl and chick is just beautiful. It looks at like you were up in the tree yourself and right there with them and the chick looks like it is eyeing you intently. Just great. Nicely done.