https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1382031-REG/panasonic_lumix_dc_gh5s_mirrorless_micro.html/BI/2855/KBID/3801 (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1382031-REG/panasonic_lumix_dc_gh5s_mirrorless_micro.html/BI/2855/KBID/3801/BI/2855/KBID/3801/BI/2855/KBID/3801)

Thanks Jim,

Edit: Spoke too soon, no stabilization so not for me. Will buy a GH5.

Damn, no IBIS, that's a shame, I just removed my finger from the orderbutton.

I did the same Noa.

It is a shame about the IBIS, but you can still use OIS with your lens, such as with Panasonic's very nice Leica 12-60mm f/2.8-4. I use that lens on my GH5 and I'm happy with it. I am not in any rush, but will probably get a GH5S at some point to go along with my GH5 - for the low-light capability, better slow motion, and TC in/out. I also like that the new camera has a menu option of selecting LINE or MIC recording through the 3.5 input, instead of just MIC. Also, V-LOGL is included. With the GH5, it is a paid option.

Here is a video that I found helpful: Panasonic LUMIX GH5S | Hands-On Field Test in Slovenia - YouTube

Check out this video, iso 25600 on the gh5s looks about equally noisy as 3200 on the gh5 and it goes up to a respectable but unusable 204000iso! :) This might make me reconsider, the camera would allow me to use my constant f2.8 lenses in darker venues.
https://youtu.be/IJvcI8Twnlc

Hi Jim,

Makes sense if you have Panasonic glass, I have very nice Olympus glass without OIS, so IBIS is a nice addition for me. Will most likely get the GH5 but will wait a bit and see.

TC in/out is nice if it really goes both ways. Line or Mic is a nice addition.

Actually VLOG is pretty cheap on the GH5.

I bet they sell a lot of GH5S for all the positives you mention.

Check out this video, iso 25600 on the gh5s looks about equally noisy as 3200 on the gh5 and it goes up to a respectable but unusable 204000iso! :) This might make me reconsider, the camera would allow me to use my constant f2.8 lenses in darker venues.
https://youtu.be/IJvcI8Twnlc

Yep, one of the videos mentioned that the difference is about 7.5db of gain, which is considerable. It is certainly a trade-off losing the IBIS, but I use a Manfrotto Monopod w/ fluid head when doing events anyway - when I need to be mobile, and can't be on a tripod.

One of the videos, not sure which one, compared the GH5S with the EVA1 at different isos, and the GH looked surprisingly good. Obviously, there are many other factors, and the EVA1 is the better camera, but the GH5S would certainly make a nice B cam to the EVA1.

Hi Jim,

Makes sense if you have Panasonic glass, I have very nice Olympus glass without OIS, so IBIS is a nice addition for me. Will most likely get the GH5 but will wait a bit and see.

TC in/out is nice if it really goes both ways. Line or Mic is a nice addition.

Actually VLOG is pretty cheap on the GH5.

I bet they sell a lot of GH5S for all the positives you mention.

Hi Paul,

You won't be disappointed with the GH5, it is a really good camera for the money. It's a great stills camera too. I don't do much still photography professionally anymore, but use the GH5 for photos all the time and love it.

Jim

Rumors were slightly off with the 4K 60p. It's 4K 60p at 8bit 4:2:0 internal. Same as the GH5.

Only big difference is C4K resolution for all framerates.

IDK, I'm torn. Most of the internet based stuff is still 16:9, so a GH5 would suit that need better.

I may be waiting for a DVX200B then cause that body can have a beefier encoding chip, and I'm hoping for 4K 60p 4:2:2 internal on that. If I wanted to do web stuff right now, the GH5 has IBIS and C4K is something I'm not too keen on cause a lot of screens are still 16:9 for web delivery.

Edit: Changed my mind for the line level audio selection in particular. GH5 does not have that without the XLR adapter. If the audio tuning is more granular, I'm sold. I can then make the GH5S audio track the scratch track and a Zoom H5 the master recording PROPERLY. Scratch track with pre-amp hiss is not a good backup. If I used a standard GH5 with only the "MIC" setting for the 3.5mm jack, AGC is something unavoidable.

Edit 2: Vlog isn't optional on the GH5S, it's standard. There. That sold it for me.

Timecode interface is useful if you have other cameras that have this feature but if you have all Panasonic GH5 or FZ2500 etc you can sync them all to free run timecode through the WIFI app anyway. In a studio though it would be useful take the studio sync. All my use of my GH5 is on a tripod so lack of IBIS is not big deal as I have it all off anyway !!! GH5s may be an advantage to me as the IBIS would not use battery power even if it is just holding the sensor still. I expect if I did not already own a GH5 I would buy the GH5s.

Rumors were slightly off with the 4K 60p. It's 4K 60p at 8bit 4:2:0 internal. Same as the GH5.

Only big difference is C4K resolution for all framerates.

IDK, I'm torn. Most of the internet based stuff is still 16:9, so a GH5 would suit that need better.

I may be waiting for a DVX200B then cause that body can have a beefier encoding chip, and I'm hoping for 4K 60p 4:2:2 internal on that. If I wanted to do web stuff right now, the GH5 has IBIS and C4K is something I'm not too keen on cause a lot of screens are still 16:9 for web delivery.

Edit: Changed my mind for the line level audio selection in particular. GH5 does not have that without the XLR adapter. If the audio tuning is more granular, I'm sold. I can then make the GH5S audio track the scratch track and a Zoom H5 the master recording PROPERLY. Scratch track with pre-amp hiss is not a good backup.

Edit 2: Vlog isn't optional on the GH5S, it's standard. There. That sold it for me.

Jack, DVX200B is really what I am waiting for also. The DVX200 is a good all around camera for lots of different applications, and of course is a real camcorder, with proper form factor, XLRs, etc. But it could use better low-light capability.

We'll have to see at NAB if they release a DVX200B, cause the tech in this GH5S cannot be just for the Lumix series. What I do want them to do though is to expand ALL-I framerates shooting to Cfast cards on the DVX200B. SD cards won't catch up in time for ALL-I framerates at sustained 800mbps for instance. If we can't get 10bit 4:2:2 Long GOP C4K, at least allow ALL-I at 800mbps C4K on Cfast cards.

that wifi sync u speak of sucks and never works, ill be getting gh5s to replace gh5


Timecode interface is useful if you have other cameras that have this feature but if you have all Panasonic GH5 or FZ2500 etc you can sync them all to free run timecode through the WIFI app anyway. In a studio though it would be useful take the studio sync. All my use of my GH5 is on a tripod so lack of IBIS is not big deal as I have it all off anyway !!! GH5s may be an advantage to me as the IBIS would not use battery power even if it is just holding the sensor still. I expect if I did not already own a GH5 I would buy the GH5s.

On the other hand as a Blackmagic Pocket user I want to have a look at the GH5S.

I already don't have IBIS or any auto focus to speak of and internal audio of limited value.
But... I also don't have 4K and anything above 30fps and no low light performance to speak of. I do have about 13 stops of dynamic range though.

So what other camera gets me to 4k, 60fps (and higher in HD), is at least 10 bit 4:2:2 and can be all I Frame up to 30fps, have decent color science and log.

Short of Blackmagic doing something by NAB, the GH5S might be the only path forward in a small form factor.

My "run and gun" camera is a Sony Z90 so that's what I'd grab for IBIS and excellent autofocus.

I'm attending an event next week on the Panasonic GH5s, which an opportunity to try it out. I'm using a G80 as my main secondary camera (mainly as it has a clip limit and needs more monitoring) . I was going to replace it with another GH5 and retire the G80, but may well get the GH5s instead.

Basically I need it to be the wide angle to another manned camera on close up. For that reason it needs to have a deeper depth of field for darker situations like a 1st Dance and I can see how the GH5s would clearly be of aid here. Being on a tripod I don't need IBIS from it, so its looking like a promising purchase.

Has anybody seen any real dynamic range numbers yet?

All I have seen are people saying it appears to be the same exact dynamic range as the current GH5.

Anybody actually put their GH5-S demo on DR charts yet? If Its got the same 11 stops as the GH5, then Im canceling my pre order and sticking with my regular GH5.

Its odd. If this GH5 does use the Sony STARVIS IMX294 sensor, than we know that sensor has already been measured at 13.5 stops in astronomy cameras today.

Hmmm....I wonder if Panasonic chose not to allow it to have 13.5 to protect the EVA-1's 14stop advantage. If so, I dont blame Panasonic as the GH5-S is already cleaner than the EVA-1 in high ISO. (I dont think the EVA-1 uses a Sony sensor)

Hmmm....anybody know?

One post release "review" mentions 14 stops but I haven't seen any real test to verify that.
I also so an interview with someone from Panasonic that said it may cannibalize some EVA sales but they felt Panasonic would still benefit overall (this was translated from answers that were in Japanese). It may have been on Cinema5D YouTube channel.

While this is NOT the review I was referring to that mentions 14 stops, it is yet another review that mentions the same thing though.

https://www.mysterybox.us/blog/2018/1/8/panasonic-gh5s-hdr10
"Overall, we are really impressed with the image quality of the GH5S, especially when mastering in HDR10. Our biggest goal when we started the project was to capitalize on the GH5S' Dual-ISO (400 & 2500) sensor, which delivers excellent low-light capabilities and nearly14-stops of dynamic range."

Other reviews mention 12 (not 11) stops though. We'll have to wait for some concrete tests.

Mentions 14 stops, this is same mysterbox,
https://youtu.be/-f2b9xsAtnY

along with material they shot.
LUMIX GH5s: Horizons - YouTube

I attended a private sneak preview for the GH5S in November with the Pansonic Brass and the project engineering team. All slides and statements mentioned "12 stops of DR", I think 14 stops is wishful thinking and folklore.

The new imager is impressive. We viewed side by side footage of the GH5S, GH5 and A7 RII shot around Osaka at night and what they are getting out of an M43 sensor is kind of amazing. Better colors, very low grain at ISO 3200 and 6400 (12,800 was even usable). The dual ISO is pretty good too. I came away impressed. They really fixed the lousy color science of the GH4 too. The footage from the Sony did not look good in comparison and the GH5S looked noticeably better than the GH5 footage under those conditions.

I wish they had made the move to phase detection AF, the AF on the prototypes we played with was meh, not very usable. I would mainly be interested in the GH5S as a gimbal and second angle camera but the lack of really great phase detection AF still makes it a probable no go for my needs.

I am waiting to receive a review unit from Panasonic, if they deliver one, I'll post my thoughts about it. I only got to play with the prototypes in a conference room for a few hours.

14 stops mentioned here as well. Apparently an official Panasonic Youtube channel.

https://youtu.be/1ZngGNXZiMI

Nick Driftwood said no change to DR from the GH5.

DR isn’t going to change without a completely new generation of technology. I think people are hoping for some magic bullet where you just show up with a camera and film with existing light. there’s a lot behind the scenes work that goes into beautiful cinematic footage not just the camera.

14 stops mentioned here as well. Apparently an official Panasonic Youtube channel.

Interesting, but makes no sense. The 12 stops came directly from mouth of the lead engineer who designed the camera, me and few other journalists there specifically grilled the team on DR and the reply was 12 stops. Perhaps they changed that spec from late November when I was shown working prototypes to the finished, shipping units, but if it's true, you'd think they would want to really push that in the press, right?

The odd thing is there are a number of reviews (in addition to the one I linked to) which mention 14 stops and a number of others which stand firm with 12 stops. Those claiming 14 stops are getting that info from someplace and since those reviews are shooters doing real world tests I assume they're not simply misquoting an uninformed source.

At some point they'll have to be some definitive tests done with proper charts and lighting.

14 stops for Raw stills, 12 stops for Vlog L. Vlog L is only 12 stops.

Im inclined to believe exactly this.

This IMX294 has been measured at 13.5 in an another (astronomy) camera. I'm expecting that Panasonic is chopping off those extra stops using the VLog-L limitation.

I'm guessing this is no accident or oversight on Panny's part. I suspect it's 100% intentional.

I'm betting when Panasonic bought the first STARVIS sensor evaluation coppies for their lab work, they looked at those sensor results and said "wow...holy crap" (in Japaneese) and imediately started wondering how dangerous this chip was to their EVA-1.

Its not a good thing for the GH5-S to match (or pass) the overall image quality of a much more expensive model. They cant let the EVA-1 survive on just superior, professional ergonomics alone.

Lol....;-)

So it's time to bust the "GH5-S is a super low light beast" myth.....

For the past few days I have been looking at all this GH5-S footage and thinking "damn,...I feel like I'm seeing a TON of noise reduction on this GH5-S" This was especially true when watch people compare the GH5-S to the A7S-II, a sensor with pixel wells (photosites) that are TWICE the size (8+ microns) of the GH5-S

So DPReview has added the GH5-S to it's test database and you can now compare the two sensors for yourself.

Make sure you adjust both cameras for RAW sensor data readout. This will strip away the in camera noise reduction so you can REALLY see what is going on under the hood of both cameras.

We can all see now that the A7S-II smokes the GH5-S at every ISO/gain amount. Even at a low 200 ISO.

This tells us there is a HUGE amount of noise reduction going on in the GH5-S and it does suffer form a softer image over the A7S-II because the noise reduction is scrubbing so much noise out.

Make no mistake. The GH5-S is VERY respectable and very commendable. It DOES go toe to toe with the A6500 very well but no,...it does not "truely" touch the A7S-II. That was a very unrealistic dream we all had for a couple of days.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/2333575124/panasonic-lumix-dc-gh5s-studio-scene-posted

CT

I agree about the NR. The other thing I noticed and is pointed out in a review, at the lower ISOs in dim situations there isn’t any difference between the GH5 and the GH5s. For the extra expense and what you’re giving up doesn’t seem like fair trade.

Well? I just canceled my GH5-S pre order. I got super excited and did an impulse buy once B&H listed it.

If the dynamic range is no better than my current GH5 and if advanced noise reduction is a big part of this cameras low light "magic". I'll just keep my GH5 with IBIS and 6k readout and my A7S-II and noise cancel in post if I ever need to. I would argue that noise reduction in post is more surgical and accurate anyway.

I will be interested in a DVX200 at NAB this year if it uses this sensor.

My GH5-S bubble has been deflated. ;-)

Noise reduction is a pain to apply and slows rendering. There's still noticeable improvement. Enough to make the GH5s a worthy camera to sit next to my GH5. Still I get to test it out next week, so hopefully can decide for myself rather than rely on others tests. Its always useful to keep expectations realistic. :-)

Steve, please report to us here after you test out the GH5S next week. I, for one, will be interested in hearing your real world results. Doesn't need to be accompanied by a fancy video, graphs, stills and all that. Just your general impression of the camera and whether or not the better low-light (which is really the big determining factor) justifies purchasing the camera. I have a GH5, DVX200 and JVC LS300, and will be very interested in your results. Thanks.

Interesting video interview with Panasonic's Manager of Retail Sales. He mentions that the GH5S has just shy of 14 stops of DR, and is two stops better than the GH5, So maybe the 13.5 figure is accurate, at least for video.


Panasonic GH5S Detailed with Matt Frazer - YouTube

It was also panasonic representatives who said the gh5 had a much improved autofocus and we all know how that turned out. I"ll believe it when I see someone perform a test, what I have seen so far for video at least there is no difference, even heard "reviewers" say they don't say a difference either between the gh5s and gh5.

No question that it's always best to take what the reviews say with a grain of salt, get your hands on one if you can, and perform your own real world tests. It's also worth noting that some of the "reviewers" have their own agenda, and may be looking to show the camera in a good or bad light. It's already been mentioned in several places that for stills the GH5 and GH5S are the same 12 stops. Supposedly, the difference is on the video side.

It was also panasonic representatives who said the gh5 had a much improved autofocus and we all know how that turned out. I"ll believe it when I see someone perform a test, what I have seen so far for video at least there is no difference, even heard "reviewers" say they don't say a difference either between the gh5s and gh5.

This turned out well. No it's not Sony but it's definitely improved at least in this scenario. Some tests with prerelease firmware had issues but it looks to be improved.

Panasonic Lumix GH5S vs GH5 vs G9 vs G85 Video Autofocus Tracking Test (firmware 1.0) - YouTube

Matt is a very sharp guy and I have talked to him many times at NAB.

Hmmm....I don't know why he is pushing the "14 stops" thing. So far, there isn't one single video that shows that the GH5-S has even 1/2 stop more than the current GH5.

"If" the GH5-S is using the STARVIS IMX294 (or variant ordered for this camera) than we know it has been measured at 13.5 in astronomy cameras right now.

I think the answer boils down to what dynamic range that VLog-L can support.

It seems like Matt is really sticking his neck out there on this 14stop claim. We are going to get the true answers more and more as this GH5-S hits the streets soon. Maybe he has firmware that nobody else has?

I'm guessing that Matt is going to regret saying this 14stop claim....but who knows?

CT

He's not the only one stating nearly 14 stops though.
I don't know if there's a correlation but the Photo by Richard did autofocus tests a few days preceding this which was on firmware 0.2 and the GH5s didn't fare very well.

Perhaps the firmware release version is a factor and it may well be why we hadn't seen any real dynamic range tests. Those stating 14 stops hadn't really done the kind of testing to verify that. Perhaps not out of haste or negligence but because they had (under NDA) known that their preproduction models wouldn't show it.

In any case 14 stops have been repeated a number of times by people who had preproduction models so I don't think they are casual incautious reviewers.

This turned out well.

I was actually referring to the gh5 and it's autofocus is just too unreliable, when the gh5 was about to be released some Pansonic representatives said the autofocus was very accurate, that's why I don't believe any statements coming from them anymore. I seen a few comparison videos between the gh5 and 5s and didn't see any improvement so far in dynamic range.

He's not the only one stating nearly 14 stops though.
I don't know if there's a correlation but the Photo by Richard did autofocus tests a few days preceding this which was on firmware 0.2 and the GH5s didn't fare very well.

Perhaps the firmware release version is a factor and it may well be why we hadn't seen any real dynamic range tests. Those stating 14 stops hadn't really done the kind of testing to verify that. Perhaps not out of haste or negligence but because they had (under NDA) known that their preproduction models wouldn't show it.

In any case 14 stops have been repeated a number of times by people who had preproduction models so I don't think they are casual incautious reviewers.


Well?....for me, I REALLY want to believe with all my heart that the sensor will do 14 stops AND its got a brand new VLog-L that can actually hold those 14 stops

Somehow, I doubt that Panasonic even "wants" this camera to have that much dynamic range. The GH5-S noise reduction is already cleaner than its more expensive EVA-1 cousin. If it matches the EVA-1 in dynamic range too? That might be a bit too scary for Panasonic Pro group to accept.

The truth is out there. We will know in a couple more weeks.

CT.

Steve, please report to us here after you test out the GH5S next week. I, for one, will be interested in hearing your real world results. Doesn't need to be accompanied by a fancy video, graphs, stills and all that. Just your general impression of the camera and whether or not the better low-light (which is really the big determining factor) justifies purchasing the camera. I have a GH5, DVX200 and JVC LS300, and will be very interested in your results. Thanks.

In the end it was more of a talk than a chance to play. There were a few GH5s to handle, but shared amongst a large group of attendees. The talk was quite basic, more catering to the low knowledge of video many there had on the subject. However the speakers enthusiasm for Micro 4/3s and the GH5s was infectious and the image displayed on a fancy 4K screen impressive despite footage some being in HD. The slowmo to 200fps looked great, that on 240fps rubbish and not useable in my opinion.

As for DR, I'd wager there is little improvement and what there is can be found at higher ISO, where the GH5 might lose out a bit. Low light looked good, but at my distance from the screen, hard to pixel peep.

I did film a bit with 1 camera, but just a shot of the lecture area with guests milling about. Nothing that is conclusive about real world use of the camera. Still as I planned to buy another GH5 anyway, I've decided to take the plunge and order the GH5s. Once I have a chance to really play with it, I think I'd be able to provide more thoughts on how it measures up. I need a B camera to replace my G80, something that works mostly on a tripod, handles low light so I can get a good dof on wide angle and which runs continuously, occasionally unattended. The GH5s seems therefore ideal.

Edit: Apparently I'm due to get it next Tuesday. Just in time for 2 Weddings I have Thursday and Saturday.

One other useless bit of detail I got from the seminar yesterday was that one of the attendees in the morning session referred to the Focus joystick on the rear of the GH5 as 'The Nipple'. An image in my head I am alas stuck with now everytime I'm twiddling with it. :)

I just told my wife that I'm on the internet discussung "joysticks" and "nipples" and she just gave me a dirty look.

So they went the Sony route from the EX1 to the EX1R and eventually to the PMW-200. They just did tons of processing to get the image to look good.

I'm willing to turn down that noise reduction till it's acceptable enough to retain just enough sharpness. I'm used to tuning the crispening setting on Sony picture profiles so it's nothing new to me. It's still much better than a 1'' sensor in the UX180, which suffers from dark noise.

So, yeah.....judging from the raw sensor data performance verses processed image, it does seem to tell the true story. I wouldn't call the GH5-S a "low light beast" at all. It's probably more acurate to call it a "noise reduction beast"!!

Since we dont have access to the GH5-S' raw sensor data in video, we only then care about it's processed video output. Let's be honest, the in-camera processing is pretty damn amazing. We could call it "cheating" but who really cares? The image is clean and retains fairly decent 4k detail even at 6400 ISO.

I got overly excited on day 1 and I pre ordered mine instantly. I never intended it to replace my GH5 or my A7S-II but I thought it would be a great color companion to my GH5. However, after thinking about it for a week, I decided to cancel it. I figured I would wait for NAB in 2 months and possibly go for the A7S-III instead.

We all know the A7S-III will certainly have 10bit video and no 29minute time limit. (Right!...hopefully!!)

I have a funny feeling that the next A7S is going to be insane.

I really do commend Panasonic these days. They are being incredibly agressive on not holding back on camera features. Micro 4/3 has become "The Little Engine That Could" of the camera industry. Panasonic tries WAY harder than Sony and Canon on stacking every feature possible into their cameras. This FORCES Sony to compete in ways that are uncomfortable for them to do. (10bit in cheap cameras) I love this!!

CT

In the end it was more of a talk than a chance to play. There were a few GH5s to handle, but shared amongst a large group of attendees. The talk was quite basic, more catering to the low knowledge of video many there had on the subject. However the speakers enthusiasm for Micro 4/3s and the GH5s was infectious and the image displayed on a fancy 4K screen impressive despite footage some being in HD. The slowmo to 200fps looked great, that on 240fps rubbish and not useable in my opinion.

As for DR, I'd wager there is little improvement and what there is can be found at higher ISO, where the GH5 might lose out a bit. Low light looked good, but at my distance from the screen, hard to pixel peep.

I did film a bit with 1 camera, but just a shot of the lecture area with guests milling about. Nothing that is conclusive about real world use of the camera. Still as I planned to buy another GH5 anyway, I've decided to take the plunge and order the GH5s. Once I have a chance to really play with it, I think I'd be able to provide more thoughts on how it measures up. I need a B camera to replace my G80, something that works mostly on a tripod, handles low light so I can get a good dof on wide angle and which runs continuously, occasionally unattended. The GH5s seems therefore ideal.

Edit: Apparently I'm due to get it next Tuesday. Just in time for 2 Weddings I have Thursday and Saturday.

Thanks, Steve!

I really do commend Panasonic these days. They are being incredibly agressive on not holding back on camera features. Micro 4/3 has become "The Little Engine That Could" of the camera industry. Panasonic tries WAY harder than Sony and Canon on stacking every feature possible into their cameras. This FORCES Sony to compete in ways that are uncomfortable for them to do. (10bit in cheap cameras) I love this!!

CT

Agreed. Over the years, I have gone back and forth between Sony and Panasonic cameras, with Sony winning out most of the time. One big exception was the full sized Panasonic DVC200, which I used for over 10 years, the longest that I have ever owned a camera. It was built like a tank, and I never even serviced it. It just kept going and going like the Energizer Bunny. Right now, I am all in on Panasonic, and I own a DVX200 and a GH5. GH5S or DVX200B could well be next, though the EVA1 is very tempting if budget allows.

Oh yeah,...the DVX200 replacement! Now I have to believe this GH5-S sensor (Starvis IMX294?) is going to be inside this DVX200-II/B. It seems to me that the GH5-S motherboard already 98% of everything they need for R&D on this camera.

I just hope they dump that fake carbon fiber and bright red rear panel. Uggg....Panny, PLEASE make it all black. If you want to do the EVA-1 red line trim, that's OK but dont go crazy again with the spray paint!

I think a DVX200 with THIS sensor and GH5 CODECs is going to be a very nice ENG camera! (Assuming they fix their horrible auto focus! programming)

I don't use auto focus much, but I know that it is better on my GH5 than it was on the GH4 that I had previously. From what I have read, and have seen in the videos, it is improved a little bit more on the GH5S. I haven't done a lot of gimbal work, but it is obviously important to have good auto focus for that purpose.

DVX200-II/B is gonna be great if it comes to pass. Personally, the fake carbon fiber and red color don't bother me too much - though the camera does FEEL kind of plasticky, which I don't like. Still, If it performs like it should with the new sensor/codec, I will live with those quirks.