So Steve Bleasdale did you keep with the 6DII orders despite all that online "noise" elsewhere about dynamic range etc?

I was pleasantly surprised by the price of the 6DII at 2k, the more so as genuine grey suppliers are offering at not much more than 1.5k.

However I have a stack of new shoots in the next little while, some photo, some video, and some photo with video and I didn't want to wait around for expert opinions to report on the 6DII's real world results so I added another 5D-IV. The latter is even cheaper now at £2331 at Panamoz and only a whisker more if you call UK seller HDEW (next day delivery as well).

The 5D-IV's can be modified to c-log via authorised repairers for just a few quid but I'm not needing that anyway.

I'm still of the opinion that 4k is a solution looking for a problem when it comes specifically to weddings. I think it will only become requested by mainstream clients when various video vendors as it were hype up to clients that 4k ought to be an essential pre-requisite. I can use 4k with my 5D-IVs (not that most would want to obviously!) and thats gorgeous, but so it full HD :- )

The 30min time limit still bugs me. What I will look to do when time allows is get a cheap simple smartphone for use with each 5D-IV which I can then use not only as a fully tiltable and removable screen but also for all the other functions such as focusing, changing ISO etc.

BTW I added a Sigma 85mm f1.4 Art lens recently. Not something you'd do much video with for ovbious reasons but it is gorgeous and only £1k :- )

Pete

Hi Peter i cancelled the 6d ii from wex and did what you said from panamoz at 1500 each so saved 1000. Coming on Tuesday. They will suit me fine because the old 6ds i sold where excellent in low light with my 2.8 lenses. with the vision tech profile and impultz luts for vision tech,. the footage is ace. I dont need 4k.

I'm still of the opinion that 4k is a solution looking for a problem when it comes specifically to weddings.


Pete

Pete, was HD a solution looking for a problem? Was DVD a solution looking for a problem? Is Digital Downloads a solution looking for a problem?

Technology develops and there is a gap between those who embrace it early and those who embrace it late. I recall when first starting out on Weddings to find a website whose owner opposed widescreen cameras. His website had a small section devoted to explaining to clients how widescreen just meant a whole lot of wasted space and that 4:3 was a better format for video. Of course he was speaking nonsense as many widescreen TV shows, movies and even Wedding videos have demonstrated. All I saw from this argument was a man trying very hard to justify why he had yet to move with the times and upgrade to a widescreen capable camera.

I see similar arguments with 4K. Made by those either lacking 4K capable cameras, or those who do, but lack the means via either their style of work or PC limitations to deliver on it.

Now I agree, we are a long way from 4K being essential. Still I feel clients benefit in the long run from those who adopt it early, just as those who were the first to deliver via DVD and those who embrace HD before it became part and parcel of our service. By all means, feel free and wait for it to be an essential part of the service, but don't pretend that 4K hasn't a valid place in the future of video. Its not a solution to any problem, just yet another small step in the same way HD, DVD and digital delivery has been for Wedding videos previously.

If anyone is interested in the so called noise about the limitations of the dynamic range, please check out this article from DpReview who have conducted their own tests.

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3416153698/canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-dynamic-range

Now I am of the opinion that DpReview are very Pro Canon, having run plenty of sponsored content in relation to Canon Cameras. So I feel their article is by no means a senseless attack on the camera and raise genuine concerns of the 6D Mark ii for Photography purposes. Its video features, I still feel are extremely poor and aside from great focus and a swivel screen, not worthy of Professional interest. However that is my personal opinion, which others are free to disagree with.

What isn't in doubt is that comments on DpReview that were previously shifted heavily towards support for this camera have now become much more negative. It would be better to wait and see how Canon respond to this before committing for either Photography or Video needs.

I was pleasantly surprised by the price of the 6DII at 2k, the more so as genuine grey suppliers are offering at not much more than 1.5k.
Isn't it so that "grey" suppliers sell their camera excl VAT which also explains the price differences? I also see Panasonic camera's offered at a lower price by these kind of suppliers but as a company I don't see much advantage ordering from them. Personally I would prefer to order from a reputable company so I will have my 2 year warranty but also much better customersupport. VAT I can deduct anyway as a company so the pricedifference becomes so small it's not worth ordering from them.


I'm still of the opinion that 4k is a solution looking for a problem when it comes specifically to weddings. I think it will only become requested by mainstream clients when various video vendors as it were hype up to clients that 4k ought to be an essential pre-requisite.

I only see 4K as a solution instead of a problem, has brought nothing but advantages to me. I can either deliver in HD and use the cropping ability to my advantage which can make a big difference as a solo shooter.
4K is more detailed when downrezzed to HD compared to when I shoot HD, it also produces less noise when you downscale.
I can sell the client a 4K package which I currently have as a paid option, the client might not have the necessary hardware to play the 4K file on their TV yet but they will in several years and only then they will realize the advantage of their wedding in 4K when they view it on their hugh 4K tv.
If I deliver a 4K file my clients can also take framegrabs from the film which is requested more then once, I just tell them how they can do that in a mediaplayer and eventhough this is no replacement for a photographer it is a great addition for missed shots on the photographers part.

Everyone has a choice to take advantage of the possibilities 4K has to offer, ofcourse you can deliver for years to come in HD, even deliver dvd's because that is also not dead yet and your clients will be happy regardless when it's well shot and edited. I only think it's not smart to wait until your clients specifically request it because that moment might never come, it is up us us to either take advantage of the technology or to educate our clients about the advantages.

OK so i received the new 6d ii, and can safely say this will be my main camera during weddings from now on. Yesterday the full frame look was immense, the auto focus system the best i have come across, the facial tracking superb. The low light yesterday was tremendous working at 2.8 all night with out the need for a 1.8 lens and lights. Tracking the bride down the very long isle was a complete breeze. The color from my vision tech color profile is lovely to grade and even no grade is beautiful. By the way the dynamic range in video is great but i know a few bad reviews in photography mode.
Yes the 4k boo boys will put me down but i state if this 6dii was 4k then i mean everyone would just turn to it. Tremendous piece of kit. Steve

the full frame look was immense
I believe you had a 6D before, what has changed in terms of full frame look? How much more immense is it now compared to the previous 6D? Would be great if you could post a framegrab to see the difference.

In my opinion it is the same as the old 6d which had a great look anyway, the only difference is the camera is now lighter has the tilt swing screen and has the touch screen with great auto and tracking system, After today's wedding and Sundays i will try look at a old 6d video footage and screen frame and a new one and see what its like.

Just quickly before today's wedding, here is yesterdays wedding all untouched, straight from mark ii 6d vision tech profile. Cant seem to find old 6d footage as delete after two months but will look at difference

Pic of new camera

No need to compare, both have a full frame sensor so the "full frame look" will be exactly the same.

Sorry not got a frame grab from my old 6d i usually delete all footage once the film handed over. Just to add the camera has a added addition of the enhanced stabilization when you have a already stabilized lens on so my 70-200 2.8 yesterdays wedding at the 200 end looked freaking steady as a rock. Sometimes you can see the micro jitters at that 200mm end but as i say the added stabilization great.

How soft/sharp is the footage after the enhanced stabiliser? Canon dslr 1080 always looked a bit mushy to me, presume it takes a resolution hit

three settings ade, disable enable and enhanced, you are quite right with enhanced but the enable is good.

Everyone says they are holding up C-log + 4K + better comperssion for their cinema line...

14 weddings in and got to say, this full frame 6d ii is the best i have ever used at weddings, it can do anything... awesome