You are the one that just keeps talking about your 80d in a thread that's about the gh5, others just respond to that. I mean just check the posts you made so far, it's only about the 6d, 70d 80d and how much better you find them then the gh5 or any other panasonic dslr, is constantly repeating the same non relevant thing going to be of any help to potential gh5 buyers?

Hey know all, i gave my opinion like everyone else. You are the one that does not like anyone saying anything that goes against Panasonic. If i think canon in my opinion is a better choice than Panasonic then i have the right to say so!! Stop poking your nose in every where like a know all.

Hey mate my opinion GH5 kills 70D, 80D hands down without doubt

Hey mate, how do you know its not out yet??

More and more footage is already available online that was shot with the gh5 and it looks so much better then a 6D, 70D or 80D, completely destroys the canon, just my opinion.

And its clear you dislike anything but panasonic? so it makes no sense repeating this thread about the 80d?

With respect Steve, it was your choice to enter a GH5 thread to rub people's noses in how great Canon's 80d's auto focus is compared to Panasonic. A fact I am more than happy to concede. If you have faced comeback, it is only because your motives for entering this thread seem less like constructive opinion to aid this threads discussion and more a case of personal vendetta.

How many Weddings have you shot with Panasonic gear? I've personally shot loads with a Canon 60d before I gave it up because I found the image lacking when compared to the GH3. The footage I have seen since of the 70d and 80d, including a video you posted, did not impress me except in those close up shots where detail was less pertinent. In short, it showed much of the same issues that led me to sell my 60d for Panasonic. That said, I did miss the 60d's colour reproduction. Something I have to work at very hard with Panasonic. I don't miss it's lack of video related features and poor detail in wide shots. In short, the soft image that suggests a 720p image up scaled to 1080p rather than true HD. The 70d and 80d betrays the same limitations.

Still it works for you. It seems your clients don't even flavour bluray or USB delivery, which accounts for 50% of my Wedding delivery. I have on average 5 clients a year asking for 4K videos. Still such clients will hardly trouble you, who can't even deliver a true HD image with your choice of cameras. As long as you have happy clients, it matters little which of us is right or wrong. The fact you prefer your gear and I mine, is an argument neither of us can win or lose.

And of course i respect all views and thanks Steve for watching my work very closely (how did you know i used the 70d or 80d on that video as i also have the C100 and also the 5diii ? )
I have been filming weddings for 11 years with many many satisfied clients and still booking highly (so something is right)
I have used many camcorders and DSLRs and i am certainly not rubbing any noses into how good the 80d or 70d auto focus is, you only have to go on you tube to see how many people have chosen the 70d and 80d over the gh3 and gh4...
If you must know i filmed a couple weddings with the gh4 and g7 and g6 and sent them running because of there miss failings on the day.
Correctly which you make the most sense, is that my work is very different from yours where i held back with one of your videos previously that did not impress me neither.
So for now lets leave it like this, i am fully booked for 2017 and nearly for 2018, i use 5d 3s, c100, 70/80ds and yes its all about the story telling, the wedding film the way its told. the framing the correct balance and finished product, so go ahead use your own cameras and i mine.

More and more footage is already available online that was shot with the gh5 and it looks so much better then a 6D, 70D or 80D, completely destroys the canon, just my opinion.

And you are entitled to your opinion and i have just watched on you tube 6d videos and 80d videos that look absolutely stunning and in my eyes and completely rubbish the fact that the gh5 will take over. Oh in my opinion of course!!

I have seen 6d videos and 80d on youtube as well but the GH5 absolutely crushes them, no comparison whatsoever. On youtube many say they will leave the 80d for the GH5.

Thats cool!! Good luck mate

Sorry to bother you Steve but is this the gh4 just come across it on your site video4aday?

Post removed because it has served it's purpose

Seriously Noa how old are you? Put your video against yours? Sounds like school ok here you go, my way of shooting not your way.

Kelly + Kevin // A match made in heaven... on Vimeo

i am stuck for words..

Me to in fact i have gone dumb...

Is it normal that there are several out of focus shots in your film or was this shot with a GH4?

Now dont get personal my friend!!!

Now because you have? That is my look not your boring un bokeh camcorder look!!
I have held back but yours was boring as watching paint dry in fact after 20 seconds i turned it off

I thought you made it personal by embedding someone elses video in here and commented on it unless your "If is then i am stuck for words.." comment meant you where wrong about your opinion on panasonic or did it mean you found it that bad you where "stuck for words"?
I at least did not mean to be personal, your film showed several out of focus shots, I just wondered how that is possible with the excellent canon focusing system.

I posted that to see if it was a example of 4 k and asked if it was!! Can you not follow! Then stuck for words meant just that if it was I would not use it! Do you not follow mate! What has that got to do with you ?
Now if you want me to pull you up about your video with certain things I cannot stand then I won't drop down to your childish ways. So bye mate and do what you have to do with your gear and don't question my work when I have not yours!!!

You should have been clearer with your stuck for words comment because it was so vague and I don't see any 4k reference in your comment, it's easy now to make it sound different then you initially might have meant it.

Nope you clearly did not understand unless it is the way accents and dialect get in the way of words and meaning! Don't worry about a post that does not concern you!

I posted that to see if it was a example of 4 k and asked if it was!!

Sorry to bother you Steve but is this the gh4 just come across it on your site video4aday?
If is then i am stuck for words..

Sorry, me engles not -so good but gh4 mean 4K?

Yes welll I meant 4 k .

That was for him to come back with a answer then he would have asked gh4? You mean 4K?
Not for you to put you nose in mate

I am also still waiting for your answer on my "Is it normal that there are several out of focus shots in your film or was this shot with a GH4?" question, I actually was stuck for words and just wanted some clarification.

It is clear you seem to take this very personal, most likely because the other Steve said he wasn't impressed with one of your works, why else would you embed one of his videos. His video that you posted was a 720p file on vimeo by the way, if you don't know how a 4K video looks like from a GH4 just search for it on vimeo, plenty of examples there but I don't see the need to expose another videographer to prove your point, I could do the same with one of your videos and take the worst one out but that's not my style. Just look at my boring un bokeh camcorder look video which was a mixture of 4K and 1080p but rendered as a 1080p file, the difference is easy to see if you want to know more about the detail these camera's resolve, at least, that was what you wanted to know, right?

Sorry to bother you Steve but is this the gh4 just come across it on your site video4aday?
If is then i am stuck for words..
The Wedding of Sharmaine & Adam - Trailer on Vimeo (https://vimeo.com/139117964)

Okay Steve, this is not acceptable. You have crossed a line here. Aside from the fact the video is not on my website, it isn't even my filming. Rather a colleague who handles my basic packages. I run a Pearl Package with basic editing and filming. Feel free to confirm this with my website. The Trailer is something I put together quickly a day or so after the Wedding and not the final product. A sort of early preview. It is not an example of 4K as some of it was shot with a GH3 and the GH4 was mostly set to HD recording. Plus it's been down converted for Vimeo to 720p.

I have only posted 1 video to DVINFO, a Marryoke one, not for critique or as a great example of my work, but purely as a fun video to watch. You recently posted one of your videos as an an example of how good the 80d was, hence my assumption it was the 80d you used. I gave my thoughts then that whilst the video was very well put together, there was some out of focus shots and poor detail in the wide shots. Again this was a reaction to a video you posted. I echoed my comments here, again, not as a critique of your work, but simply as a critique of the 80d. I am more than happy to concede the Panasonic's own weakness in auto focus, colour and low light.

In response you have deliberately sought out one of my videos and posted it here without my permission to win what has become a very silly argument on who has the best gear. By all means post an example of your work as proof or even the many comparison videos that are out there. However I would never stalk someone else's Business out of this forum to find one of their videos, post it here just to prove a point. It is as I said before, crossing a line of decency.

As the video, whilst an example of my editing, isn't an example of my filming, I would ask that you do the decent thing and remove the link immediately. If not, I will have to report the post. Now I apologise if I have caused you offence in some way, but I hope we can part this argument in a civilised manner.

Ok Steve i will remove the link but just to inform you that i entered the conversation after Danilo del tufo post about continuous auto focus and i clearly was only saying "it was unbelievable the best i have seen"
which i am allowed to say!
Then your reply clearly stated to my post

"Na definitely not infallible as various videos from it have attested to including one of mine"

So you where clearly having a dig then my friend.
I then stated merely that was my opinion in my next post!!.
(I did not mention any of your videos so why mention mine?)

People then agreed with me on other posts but nothing got said to them so it is obvious that you and Noa felt so strong about this matter that it has escalated.

You then replied again to my post and then mentioned "in my opinion of course" sort of detrimental to me so you where carrying this on i could see?
Then Noa pushed his nose into my reply by saying his 15 year old son said his gh4 destroys the 70d or 80d and give the camera more credit then replied his mother uses the 80d for football practice and since all other mothers have them it cant be a bad camera and her films look crap but at least they where in focus. "Again this was detrimental to my post!!
Then my next post was about how i sent the gh4 g7 g6 back as i used them on a wedding again i am allowed to do this!!
Then i went on to say about bluray and 4k, nothing detrimental against you or Noa then Noa came back with its clear to us!! now you dislike anything but canon but it makes no sense in repeating in a thread that is about the gh5.
Well sorry but every single post on this forum sometimes people go of the subject from time to time but it was clear both you and Noa where now in full force to put me down not anyone else.

I then repeated what Noa said in his post "its clear that you dislike anything but Panasonic, he then came back with a ridiculous post about all my posts is only about the 6d 70d 80d which it clearly is not!!

I then said i have the right to my opinion that canon was my clear choice than Panasonic.

You had to then got involved again by saying i had entered a thread to rub peoples nose in how great the canons 80ds auto focus is compared to Panasonic!
NO I DID NOT I WAS REPLYING TO DANILO POST BUT YOU TWO GOT INVOLVED AS YOU DID NOT LIKE MY CANON AUTO FOCUS REPLY.

Then you went onto to say a previous video of mine did not impress you so you had a go at me then Noa got involved like a child, so yes i will take of the post but be very careful what you say in future and have a dig at peoples work and i am glad you posted so you could fight your own replies instead of Noa who was getting far beyond the rules of this forum by having a go at my videos like a child.

Noa who was getting far beyond the rules of this forum by having a go at my videos like a child.

That is my look not your boring un bokeh camcorder look!!
I have held back but yours was boring as watching paint dry in fact after 20 seconds i turned it off

At least I stayed decent just asking why some of your shots where out of focus, just like you where questioning the other Steve's "4K" like video which you embedded without his permission. I think it's clear what your intentions where from the start and trolling comes to mind, you are only not that honest about it.

Well, time to move on, more important things to do, like going out to shoot with my ls300 which trashes any other camera out there :)

[QUOTE=Noa Put;1927504]My 15 year old son recently said his gh4 completely destroys the 70 or 80d, I told him to give the camera a bit more credit, his mother at least loves her 80d because she uses it to cover his soccer practices and since all other mothers there seem to have one as well it can't be that bad though I have to say her films look like crap but at least they are in focus.

"I take it personal"
I could not reply because i was finishing a trailer for a couple on honeymoon in Mexico last night and could not be bothered answering your childish remarks like the one above that was truly detrimental.This had nothing to do with anything Noa.

"Trolling"
Dont make me laugh, you are constantly on here disagreeing with anyone or everything, so yes there are more important things to do so move on.

What's wrong with my comment? I have a 15 year old son with a gh4 who plays soccer and my wife has a 80D and her videos really look like crap, but since she doesn't read this forum I can say that.

Detrimental to me and you know it!!!

Ummmm,.....so, in other news,

I have read that pr-orders are very high for the GH5 and Panasonic is saying there will be delays on people getting theirs right away. I wonder how long this will be. I pre-ordered mine from B&H on the day they went up on their site.

Could we see and month or two in back order? Even longer? If so, how much will we see new GH5's go for on eBay for people that want them instantly?

Interesting supply and demand problem.

CT

I ordered my g80 beginning October last year and got it in end Januari this year, people ordering the fz2500 also had to wait quite long and by the looks of it this will be the same for the gh5 .

Like Cliff, I ordered mine the first day it was offered on B&H...probably minutes within it first going up.

I ordered my g80 beginning October last year and got it in end Januari this year, people ordering the fz2500 also had to wait quite long and by the looks of it this will be the same for the gh5 .

I wonder if the first wave of GH5's will sell for ridicules prices on eBay. I was first in line for a DJI Mavic. I got it and sold it on eBay for $800 more than I bought it for just before Christmas. (and it literally sold the day after I put it up!) Even today, supply is still somewhat short.

Could a GH5 sell next month for maybe $500 (or more) over cost? Are there GH5 fans that would pay that rather that wait two months?

Hmmmmm.....

You mean pay 500 more then the introductory price? Why would anyone do that? To get it a few weeks sooner? I actually will wait until the price goes down, you can be sure that by the ending of the year there will be stores selling for 1700 instead of 2K

Well, here in the U.S. it took over 16 months for the GH4 price to drop.

I agree with you. I was surprised how many DJI Mavics sold for WAY over retail price in eBay. (and mine was happily one of them)

I suppose (maybe) there are allot of wealthy guys that out there dont give a crap about an overly inflated GH5 cost, they just whant their camera tomorrow, no matter what and they just refuse to wait. I guess you and I are not in that category! haha

CT

Well, here in the U.S. it took over 16 months for the GH4 price to drop.

That might also be linked on demand, as long as it sells well stores might be less inclined to lower a price, it's also important to check as many stores as possible because there is always one that eventually will do a discount which is often temporary, if I am able to get the gh5 with a 300 euro deduction before the end of the year I"ll report it here :)

I believe that Panny does price controls just like Sony. "Official" Panny dealers cannot sell a GH5 for less than the fixed price unless Panasonic allows a sale for all dealers. If a dealer tries to undersell it, they risk losing their official dealer status.

An exception is "used" cameras. Sometimes stores on Amazon will open a camera box and sell at a discount because it is "used". That buyer saves money but might not get a "new" Panny/Sony camera warranty.

CT

Ok Steve i will remove the link
Well sorry but every single post on this forum sometimes people go of the subject from time to time but it was clear both you and Noa where now in full force to put me down not anyone else.



Hi Steve, cheers for removing the link. Much appreciated. Still not totally sure whether in posting it, you were attacking my work, the GH4 or 4K. Since the video you chose reflected none of them completely, it wasn't a great example to pick on anyway, so best removed.

As for your analysis, I understand what you're saying and you're right, I did start by referencing one of your videos I'd seen on this forum and my subsequent posts were more confrontation. I apologise for that. Had you stuck to what you did, saying you had seen one of mine you thought was a load of crap, I'd have felt fair enough, probably deserved.
However I think doing an Internet search on me, trawling my videos for one to throw back at me was a little over the top and actually then linking it here also, was in poor taste. It did surprise me that someone would go that far in what was a silly forum argument on gear. It's not something I would do, no matter the provocation. By all means, reference any messages or videos that I post in DVINFO in other threads, just consider what I don't post here as out of bounds.

Ummmm,.....so, in other news,

I have read that pr-orders are very high for the GH5 and Panasonic is saying there will be delays on people getting theirs right away. I wonder how long this will be. I pre-ordered mine from B&H on the day they went up on their site.

Could we see and month or two in back order? Even longer? If so, how much will we see new GH5's go for on eBay for people that want them instantly?

Interesting supply and demand problem.

CT

I've got mine on pre-order as I did the GH4 and G80. In both cases I received them very promptly upon release. I'm sure there were similar rumours about delays when the GH4 came out. I'm hoping it'll be the same with the GH5 and that mine will still be in my hands on time.

Still it's good news for the GH5 and shows how popular the camera is even before its out. Of course such raised expectations run the risk of disappointment. I've seen posts on the GH5 Facebook page, where people are clearly expecting more from this camera than can be delivered. Perhaps such people will then flood eBay with their recently acquired GH5 and drive the price down to retail level.

Hi Steve, cheers for removing the link. Much appreciated. Still not totally sure whether in posting it, you were attacking my work, the GH4 or 4K. Since the video you chose reflected none of them completely, it wasn't a great example to pick on anyway, so best removed.

As for your analysis, I understand what you're saying and you're right, I did start by referencing one of your videos I'd seen on this forum and my subsequent posts were more confrontation. I apologise for that. Had you stuck to what you did, saying you had seen one of mine you thought was a load of crap, I'd have felt fair enough, probably deserved.
However I think doing an Internet search on me, trawling my videos for one to throw back at me was a little over the top and actually then linking it here also, was in poor taste. It did surprise me that someone would go that far in what was a silly forum argument on gear. It's not something I would do, no matter the provocation. By all means, reference any messages or videos that I post in DVINFO in other threads, just consider what I don't post here as out of bounds.

Ok no worries steve no problem and I apologise also.

I really think that the GH5 is going to be THE highest selling semi-professional market camera Panasonic has ever had. (unit sales)

I also believe that the GH5 is going to create an industry earthquake. Because it's so ridiculously overloaded with extreme professional features, it raises the standard for what a $2,000 camera "should" be allowed have. Every new camera moving forward with have to answer the GH5 question: "Does this new camera have what the GH5 has?" If that camera doesn't at least match the value that a GH5 gives,....that new camera is dead.

I dont think it's an exaggeration to say that the GH5 will permanently alter the old industry marketing and camera crippling rules and tactics of the past. It will force camera companies to do things that they really, really,REALLY dont want to do with every new camera in the future.

CT

Yes, not only is it something most professional shooters have been looking for in a compact package and at an affordable cost, it would also appeal to most knowledgeable consumer video users. The 4K/50,60p is something both the consumers and pros have long wanted but so far unable to afford or lived with the handling (think of the Sony FS7 or Canon 1DX Mk2). Though 10 bit 4:2:2 at the lower frame rates may appeal more to the professional types who could extract something extra from it, it would still benefit the consumers too as higher quality archive footage if they haven't had any specific idea yet on what to do with it.

I mean the price, the size, the flexibility of an interchangeable lens system and the generous amount of future proof for both the pro and consumer markets all for US$2K plus lens cost. There is no reason why it won't clean up the markets when it comes out even late in 3-4 month's time.

OK guys, lets stop this crap!!!

If you read something that is objectionable just ignore it and move on!!!

Get back on point.

We where back on point, it would be more interesting to hear what your thoughts are about the GH5.

I will buy one just for video. I had a GH3. I cut it's HD video with HD video from a Sony EX1 on Edius 8.0.

I was surprised at the quality. I have seen many reviews and awesome videos on the GH5 and there are only a few negatives.

Since I was happy with the GH3, I know I will be happy with the GH5! Now I am selling equipment to raise the cash.

Panasonic Lumix DC GH5 4K sample footage by DPReview.com - YouTube

MicroCorto grabado con la Lumix GH5 en 4K a 50fps - YouTube