No worry, Olympus came out with this 300mm lens and will be adding more to match their OMD-EM1 MKII.

Amazing piece of glass.

M.Zuiko ED 300mm f4.0 IS PRO | Olympus (http://www.getolympus.com/us/en/lenses/m-zuiko-ed-300mm-f4-0-is-pro.html)

I'll come back when the GH5 turns up here in Australia. I'm seeing almost 3k for the GH5 in Australia, man we get hit here.

Keeping in small these days is a must now Paul, my back is stuffed after using shoulder mounts for the last 15yrs.

Cool, look forward to your input.

I'll come back when the GH5 turns up here in Australia. I'm seeing almost 3k for the GH5 in Australia, man we get hit here.
$3600 tax in with the XLR adapter here in Canada, but i'll most likely get one, after the 400Mbs update :)

One thing we do need to check up for this camera: can it actually record the promised PCM audio rates to file or is it recording to AAC? The XLR adapter touts 96khz/24bit, but can that actually be recorded to file?

One thing we do need to check up for this camera: can it actually record the promised PCM audio rates to file or is it recording to AAC? The XLR adapter touts 96khz/24bit, but can that actually be recorded to file?

The pdf presentation ( page 39 ) says LPCM recording to MOV only when XLR1 is attached, so no MP4 or AVCHD is my understanding from that. Audio will record to MOV and MP4 except at 100Mbps which is then AAC ( page 25 ). Looks like AVCHD does not have a LPCM option only Dolby AC3 or AAC.

There must be a limitation on 96khz/24bit within the MOV only limitation... Might be troublesome for some NLEs like Magix Vegas which probably won't know what to do with a GH5 MOV until the software is patched.

I'm willing to bet you can't do 10bit 4:2:2 internal and 96khz/24bit PCM at the same time.

There must be a limitation on 96khz/24bit within the MOV only limitation... Might be troublesome for some NLEs like Magix Vegas which probably won't know what to do with a GH5 MOV until the software is patched.

I'm willing to bet you can't do 10bit 4:2:2 internal and 96khz/24bit PCM at the same time.

Table on page 25 shows High Resolution audio being available MOV only for 10 bit 4:2:2 . Remember 10 bit 4:2:2 UHD 60P is not available for internal recording and is only on the HDMI output to something like a Shogun Inferno. All UHD 60P internal recording is 8 bit 4:2:0. However 30P UHD is available for internal recording at 10 bit 4:2:2 in MOV with High Resolution audio with the second announced firmware update in the summer you then have a choice of 150Mbps Long GOP or 400Mbps all Intra. Also MP4 is always AAC. AVCHD is always Dolby AC3.

Ah, so you can't use 96khz/24bit over HDMI for 10bit 4:2:2 60p. In the very least they should allow 48khz/24bit for that mode.

In fact, I think the HDMI should in the very least do 2ch 48khz/24bit.

Ah, so you can't use 96khz/24bit over HDMI for 10bit 4:2:2 60p. In the very least they should allow 48khz/24bit for that mode.

In fact, I think the HDMI should in the very least do 2ch 48khz/24bit.

NO. You cannot do UHD 60P 10 bit 4:2:2 internally at all it is always 8 bit 4:2:0 internally. UHD 60P only available on HDMI in 10 bit 4:2:2 and then only if you do not record internally. Both these option do include the high resolution audio. You can have HD 1920 x 1080 60P 10bit 4:2:2 with high resolution audio internal after the summer firmware update. Either 100Mbps LongGOP or 200 Mbps All Intra. You should download the 86 page pdf as it has all the information. Embargo was lifted on 4 Jan. I think I got it from a thread on DVXuser forum.

Yeah, that's what I meant, 96khz/24bit over HDMI in the HDMI only mode for the camera.

Now it's all up to the Shogun Inferno to support that over it's HDMI input. No SSD recorder on the market currently supports 96khz/24bit over HDMI.

Edit: Just saw the PDF. It says (GH5 MOV only) for the 96khz/24bit mode on the XLR1. No indication whether that can be passed using HDMI in the HDMI only mode.

Yeah, that's what I meant, 96khz/24bit over HDMI in the HDMI only mode for the camera.

Now it's all up to the Shogun Inferno to support that over it's HDMI input. No SSD recorder on the market currently supports 96khz/24bit over HDMI.

Edit: Just saw the PDF. It says (GH5 MOV only) for the 96khz/24bit mode on the XLR1. No indication whether that can be passed using HDMI in the HDMI only mode.

LPCM is only MOV. The HDMI output appears only to have a restriction at UHD 60P 10bit 4:2:2 with no internal recording. Also the Inferno over HDMI can record 8 channels 48Khz at 24bit so I am sure it can manage 2 at 96khz 24bit. I cannot see a spec on this though. Will have to find more info on that as that is likely the setup I will get.

will be waiting for the new canon 6dii, love canons colours and the auto focus better than Panasonic especially the dual auto focus. nothing can beat the 70d/80d, so full frame with 4k coming will be sound, just saying thats my preference.

I pre ordered a GH5 so when this turns up I'll let ya know about audio.

With the exception of orchestral type classical music where more than one pieces of musical instruments are played for the recording I think 48 KHz, 16-bit LPCM would be fine. From my experience, the type of microphone, the placement, the quality of the preamp (either on board the camera or external) and not least the skill of the soundman in the more difficult shooting conditions, make so much more difference in sound than other factors. In most cases you can tell the differences in terms of audio characteristics/quality from those recording hardware by listening to carefully encoded MP3 files or AAC files (such as on YouTube) using adequate monitoring devices such as a good pair of headphones or carefully set up sound monitoring system with various speakers for anything more elaborate than a single mono or stereo tracks.

Just hope that optional XLR adapter comes with an adequate built in preamp that does at least on par with those built into their pro-level XLR camcorders.

will be waiting for the new canon 6dii, love canons colours and the auto focus better than Panasonic especially the dual auto focus. nothing can beat the 70d/80d, so full frame with 4k coming will be sound, just saying thats my preference.

Thanks for that insight. However what makes you think the 6D mark ii will have full frame 4K when even the 5D Mark IV doesn't have this. Instead making a pigs breakfast out of its 4K implementation. Colours and auto focus are indeed Canons strength, which is alas the only good thing you can say about their video features in their DSLRS.

+ you can be sure Canon will cripple the camera in other video related area's to protect higher end models, like give it just enough moire, make the image softer or leave out functionality that is critical for video use. For video they have made clear that you need to get into their c-line of camera's to get everything you need.
Not only Canon does this, Panasonic also cripples anything below the GH5 just enough to make you want their flagship, like unusable audio on the gx85, no headphone in to monitor your sound on the g80 or make button integration or placement just awkward enough so it can become it bit frustrating.
But that doesn't mean you can't do great things with these camera's, you just need to work around their limitations and get the best out of their strengths. For the canon that will be autofocus and color and for panasonic ibis and the small formfactor.

I also like Canon's video image but to be realistic the best you can hope for on the next 6DII or whatever is maybe a flipout screen which is a defining feature of most Canon's lower end DSLRs to facilitate video shooting. Other than that it can't do better than the 5DIV that traditionally has always sat one level up above the 6Dx in price and performance.

Panasonic has a simpler job with the GH5. They can go full tilt with it within the limitation of sensor size and form factor because there is no longer anything like the dead AF100 class of cameras to protect. Other things they are offering in 4K are geared towards different, and mostly higher end types of video shooters.

The new 6dii is heavily reported to be having 4k but if it comes great if not i will still get it, flip out screen, dual auto focus, touch screen. full frame, that will do me just fine.

The new 6dii is heavily reported to be having 4k but if it comes great if not i will still get it, flip out screen, dual auto focus, touch screen. full frame, that will do me just fine.

I think heavily rumoured rather than reported; where previously the rumour was that it was not getting 4K, subsequent and more recent rumours have suggested it may well be getting it in some capacity. This could mean at best heavily cropped as per the 5D mark iv and not using the fullframe sensor. It could also theoretically mean a time restriction such as seen in the Fujifilm X-T2 where it has a 10 min limit. Just speculation mind.

Of course, not saying the new 6D Mark II won't meet your needs. Just that my own list 10 bit 4:2:2 recording, 4K at 50p, 5 axis stabilisation for smooth hand held shooting, Log Profiles, focus peaking, highlights monitoring, dual card slot, and non cropped 4K so that I get the full field of view from my best lenses.

Yep whilst pretty demanding of me, the above will definitely do me just fine. :)

Here is the answer to audio, right at the start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXVBMBP3mis&feature=youtu.be

Ah, good find Simon.

You have been on the hunt. So when did they say you take delivery?

I think March mate at this stage, I'm in no hurry as I have a stack of editing to complete and I'm really looking forward to this new camera, could be the look I'm after and have been chasing for a long time.

It's a new system completely for me, glass, batteries etc... so not a cheap exercise but one I'm willing to go with based on information and images I have seen on the net and also a ton of research on Panasonic and also going back through the GH4 and checking that out. Gh4 owners seem pretty happy.

I've been with Sony for ever and was disappointed in the a6500 release (I was going to grab one) and feel that Panasonic have just ticked all the boxes for what I need.

Cheers

Here is the answer to audio, right at the start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXVBMBP3mis&feature=youtu.be
It's good to know too that once the XLR pod is plugged in the camera's built-in analog-to-digital converter, and hopefully the preamp as well, that receives the input via the camera's 3.5mm jack can be totally bypassed to get a cleaner signal no matter how it is recorded, 48kHz, 16 bit or 96kHz, 24 bit.

I downloaded these 4K GH5 Vlog clips from Neumann films Edited with Sony Vegas pro14 and graded them with Magic Bullet film


Panasonic GH5 4K VLOG CLIPS Graded with Magic Bullet Film on Vimeo


download link below
http://www.mediafire.com/file/m5rrourqi6sp8a1/Neumann_Films_-_Panasonic_GH5_Footage.zip

Man I can't wait for the camera, out of all the gear I've ever purchased this one feels good as a pre purchase.
There is heaps of content on line now and more dripping out everyday. Do what Brian has and download the clips, colour grade and have a look, I have and with great results in Premier Pro.

Also there is a FB page which I find a great resource.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/pansonicgh5/

The clips graded great too using only FCPX. No Resolve, no fancy plugins and using only my imagination with no LUT. It should be one hell of a video camera.

I downloaded these 4K GH5 Vlog clips from Neumann films Edited with Sony Vegas pro14 and graded them with Magic Bullet film


Panasonic GH5 4K VLOG CLIPS Graded with Magic Bullet Film on Vimeo (https://vimeo.com/201450435)


download link below
http://www.mediafire.com/file/m5rrourqi6sp8a1/Neumann_Films_-_Panasonic_GH5_Footage.zip

Why is the motion signature all messed up on these clips, they play back very stuttery on my iMac and I have fiber optic and the clips load up quickly but look all messed up?

Mate got a gh5 loaner from panny for a couple days. I did lighting for a short he used it on and played with it a bit. The point to point focus worked great... just like the old fx1 days. Bummer was that it didn't like either of my speed boosters if i used a zoom lens. It must require some kind of firmware update. Overall... a nice little upgrade. Did a couple of face tracking autofocus moves with talent walking up to the camera and it nailed it.

Did a couple of face tracking autofocus moves with talent walking up to the camera and it nailed it. What about "Continuous Autofocus", how does it works?

I wouldn't expect to much, maybe a minor improvement compared to the gh4, if it was a big improvement they would have shown it's capabilities but from what I have seen so far it's not that impressive.

I wouldn't expect to much, maybe a minor improvement compared to the gh4, if it was a big improvement they would have shown it's capabilities but from what I have seen so far it's not that impressive.

Panasonic has made it clear the cameras that were out there for testing were very early betas and that the CAF would improve significantly upon final release.

we"ll believe it when we see it.

The canon 80d has got the best i have ever seen, unbelievable

The canon 80d has got the best i have ever seen, unbelievable

Unbelievable - nah. However definitely not infallible as various videos from it have attested to, including I think one of yours when you made similar boasts. I'd take good focus peaking over a more reliable auto focus any day. Now in an ideal World, I'd like both, but it's not an ideal World.

Hey mate my opinion canon 70d 80d kills gh4 g7 g80 hands down without doubt

I agree the 70/80d excels at auto focus. I filmed a short with a 70d and my friend was using 5d fully rigged out with a Zacatto viewfinder and follow focus. My shots were tack sharp while many of his were soft. Point being focus ability is often over looked because it can't be quantified as resolution, bitrate, sensor size, etc. Its not to say the GH4 doesn't have its own set of advantages 4k, run time, form factor... While I can't say how much better it is over the GH4 there is no denying Canon dual pixel tech is the standard that all others are measured against.

I agree the 70/80d excels at auto focus. I filmed a short with a 70d and my friend was using 5d fully rigged out with a Zacatto viewfinder and follow focus. My shots were tack sharp while many of his were soft. Point being focus ability is often over looked because it can't be quantified as resolution, bitrate, sensor size, etc. Its not to say the GH4 doesn't have its own set of advantages 4k, run time, form factor... While I can't say how much better it is over the GH4 there is no denying Canon dual pixel tech is the standard that all others are measured against.

I've loved the focusing on the 70D for over 4 years now, but unless Canon is going to offer me the other features at a price point below $3500, I'm out.

Along with dual IS, full 4K, etc, I'm really intrigued by the photo/video mode thing where it'll shoot in 6K 24fps, and you can select 18 MP stills out of it. From what little I see, its a photo mode, but is basically shooting a 6K video.

While it may not be up to Canon 80D standards, it looks like even with the beta firmware, it is definitely better than the GH4 autofocus.
Panasonic GH5 autofocus and Dual IS testing with Kaiman Wong and Dan Chung - YouTube

I've loved the focusing on the 70D for over 4 years now, but unless Canon is going to offer me the other features at a price point below $3500, I'm out.

Along with dual IS, full 4K, etc, I'm really intrigued by the photo/video mode thing where it'll shoot in 6K 24fps, and you can select 18 MP stills out of it. From what little I see, its a photo mode, but is basically shooting a 6K video.
Canon came out with that weird XC10 and XC15 line to fill that void. The fixed consumer lens was obviously put there for a reason. They don't want to offer dslr 4k at a price point that would undermine the c100 and c300.

Someone was complaining about Sony holding back features to protect the higher lines but they all do it. Just happens in this case that Panasonic doesn't have higher end cinema line to protect.

So they all do it, that is they all withhold features to protect higher priced gear. Then along comes Panasonic with the GH5 offering features up to and surpassing hugely more expensive gear from Sony and Canon. And right here we have Robert Benda saying unless Canon comes to the party he's 'out'. How many professions and prosumers will do likewise? What's the point of protecting one's higher end gear when a competitor can do what Panasonic is doing with the GH5? How many FS7 and C300/100 cam sales will be lost to the GH5? Isn't the approach allegedly taken by Sony and Canon to 'protect their higher end gear' a 'shoot yourself in the foot' business case? Why in this day and age bearing in mind the big dollars spent by both outfits on market research would Sony and/or Canon do that? Do they really believe brand loyalty will save the day for them and that the number of people that will 'switch' will be minimal?

Bottom line question: are they just protecting higher end gear, is it really that simple? I doubt it. There must be more going on behind the scenes than we can even imagine.

Hey mate my opinion canon 70d 80d kills gh4 g7 g80 hands down without doubt

Mine is a little different. :) I find the 70d and 80d to be fine in close up shots but sometimes terrible in wide, highly detailed shots. It feels less full HD to me in resolution. For colour and auto focus, they have the edge - superior to other brands all the way. For features useful to a Videographer, Canon DSLR trails very far behind. Given the GH5 will be enjoying 50p 4K and 10 BIT 4:2:2, sitting alongside 5 axis IS, log profiles, focus peaking, highlights, waveform monitor and vector scope, the 80d line has a very long journey to match Panasonic output. My opinion of course.

Hey mate my opinion canon 70d 80d kills gh4 g7 g80 hands down without doubt

My 15 year old son recently said his gh4 completely destroys the 70 or 80d, I told him to give the camera a bit more credit, his mother at least loves her 80d because she uses it to cover his soccer practices and since all other mothers there seem to have one as well it can't be that bad though I have to say her films look like crap but at least they are in focus.

All joking aside, Panasonic is here to rule the world, get used to it.

Maybe your right Noa, but i had the g7 g6 gh4, held and used the g80 in a camera shop and filmed for a hour, not of them gets near the 70d or 80d. Sent the sony ax100 back as again at a latest wedding it did not cut the mustard and colors where awful. 70d with a flat neutral base line is excellent as with the touch screen and everything else that goes with it. Granted no 4k but in 10 years trading i very rarely burn a bluray disc for the client, no one seems to have a bluray player so god knows how they will play 4k.

It's clear to us now you dislike anything but Canon but it makes no sense in constantly repeating it in a thread that is about the gh5.

Maybe your right Noa, but i had the g7 g6 gh4, held and used the g80 in a camera shop and filmed for a hour, not of them gets near the 70d or 80d. Sent the sony ax100 back as again at a latest wedding it did not cut the mustard and colors where awful. 70d with a flat neutral base line is excellent as with the touch screen and everything else that goes with it. Granted no 4k but in 10 years trading i very rarely burn a bluray disc for the client, no one seems to have a bluray player so god knows how they will play 4k.

I always hear the whole "Canon colors" thing and I get part of that. Yes, Canon does color well right out of the camera. But how often do you give raw files right out of the camera to people that dont know how to color grade? Sure, Sony and Panasonic might need a little tweaking to get it to look like a Canon and that is something very easy to do in post. I always get paid to shoot, edit and deliver. So, I'm going to color grade everything I do anyway, no matter what cameras I'm shooting with.

Canon doesn't have a magic color spectrum that it captures that Sony and Panny don't. For 8bit, everybody is doing 0-255 in in RGB. It's all the same, you just need to tune it the way you want in post.

Any color that Canon can capture in a scene, Panny and Sony will capture it too. You can certainly match any "Canon look" with any Sony or Panny camera if you actually put a small bit of effort in post.

I guess the only exception is if you are giving allot of files straight from the card to clients that don't know how to color grade the footage they are buying from you. I don't know but maybe allot of Canon guys do that often.

CT

Problem with the Canon 70D, 80D and all the rest that have dual pixel AF in HD is that even when they nail the focus down to the millimeter the image still looks soft. It normally looks OK for closeups and head shots but once you go wide the detail simply melts away. If you don't believe this you can compare the HD footage in the highest available bit rate mode with HD in 50Mbps XAVC-S mode from either the Sony RX100xx, RX10xx, AX100, A6000, A6300 (the A6500 for some reasons is a bit worse than its cheaper predecessors in HD) or the Panasonic GH3.

Problem with the Canon 70D, 80D and all the rest that have dual pixel AF in HD is that even when they nail the focus down to the millimeter the image still looks soft. It normally looks OK for closeups and head shots but once you go wide the detail simply melts away. If you don't believe this you can compare the HD footage in the highest available bit rate mode with HD in 50Mbps XAVC-S mode from either the Sony RX100xx, RX10xx, AX100, A6000, A6300 (the A6500 for some reasons is a bit worse than its cheaper predecessors in HD) or the Panasonic GH3.
I have noticed this softness when I once used the 70d to film a wide shot of a theatrical performance. I wasn't sure if this was because canon uses less internal sharpening than the other cameras you mentioned. It's not uncommon for consumer targeted camera to do more internal processing since that type of user has no desire to do any grading. Others have pointed out that the smaller higher resolution on a relatively small sensor of the A6500 isn't a benefit under certain circumstances. So what is your explanation of Canon's softness, the bitrate? Btw I don't have an issue with softness in wide shot particular for weddings.

Doesn't the Canon 70D do a line skip readout of its image sensor? As a we all know, line skipping is a nasty and crude technique to scale down a high megapixel sensor to a 2megapixel 1080 image.

Im soooo glad that Sony dumped line skipping a while ago in favor of its full pixel readout technique today.

CT

It's clear to us now you dislike anything but Canon but it makes no sense in constantly repeating it in a thread that is about the gh5.

And its clear you dislike anything but panasonic? so it makes no sense repeating this thread about the 80d?