It weighs twice as much as my X70. It is a tad front heavy when not using the F970 batteries, and it should be noted this camera is fine with aftermarket non chipped batteries. The focus mechanism is not like the X70, you can actually rack focus when zoomed in. Low light performance and sensitivity is identical to the X70, but with a slight reduction in apparent noise at each gain setting. Green/yellow color cast is not visible on the LCD, which I hope means they fixed the weird "off" green cast that has plagued my X70. Color correction values for the X70 seem to be compatible with the Z150, assuming you are not trying to transfer over any alterations that were meant to fix the green cast, which seems to be gone. Otherwise, everything is identical to the X70 if you judge it by the LCD and menu structure.

There is a menu item for "wide conversion lens". I don't know what that does, but it gives me hope there will be an OEM bayonet wide converter for this camera sometime in the near future....which for Sony means within 2 years.

Camera is going into service tonight, so I will begin posting clips and on air links shot in 1080p60 overnight.

Paul

The manual says that the wide conversion setting is for "compatible lenses only", "sold separately". Since Sony doesn't provide electronic lens compatibility with non Sony lenses, we can expect a Sony converter option I presume. :-)

Paul

A few more notes......

The lens is NOT f2.8-4.5 as listed by Sony. At full zoom, the camera is showing f4.0, just as on the X70.

Also, live streaming is available in XAVC, XDCAM, and AVCHD codecs. The X70 could not live stream while set to AVCHD.

ALL custom assignable buttons cease to function when you are in live streaming mode, you cannot access menu either, just like the X70. PITA that I cannot switch Steadyshot on and off if I am live streaming.

Paul

Ran into the first firmware "glitch". When AGC limit is set to OFF, it in actuality sets the AGC limit to 27db instead of allowing full 33db. This glitch also exists in the v2.0 firmware of the X70, but ONLY when in 4K mode. Obviously, someone copied and pasted this when writing the Z10 firmware. Would be nice if Sony addressed this in the v3.0 X70 firmware as well as the next Z150 firmware updates.

Paul

The manual says that the wide conversion setting is for "compatible lenses only", "sold separately". Since Sony doesn't provide electronic lens compatibility with non Sony lenses, we can expect a Sony converter option I presume. :-)

Paul

Might be something like what is on the Canon XF300/305, which has a similar menu item. They came out with the WA-H82 wide-angle adapter that screws onto the fixed lens. Setting the Wide Attach. Lens option to ON in the menu does two things; it limits you to normal AF (no instant AF) and it adjusts the image stabilization to suit the wide attachment.

Canon WA-H82 0.8x Wide Attachment Lens 4591B001 B&H Photo Video


Mark

The lack of bayonet mount wide converters for the X70, X180, and X200 has always irritated me. In fast paced breaking news, I can't afford to spend a full minute trying to line up threads and such to get the converter on!

Paul

I'm really excited to see more test footage out of this camera. It's a bit over my budget but I have been looking at gear like the NX100 and haven't seen anything that really impresses me. a killer cam might just have me throwing some extra cash on it. Also looks like I can use the same batteries as I have on my V1e.
I'd really like to have a see some HD footage (not downscaled 4K) as I don't see me using 4K in any of my work for the next 1-2 years. Nice to be future proofed in some way, though.

Not to mention you would need to remove the lens hood first... another 30 seconds gone. Could be worse, could be the WA will introduce a magenta cast... (sorry).

Mark

The magenta cast would cancel out the green CMOS cast. :-P

Don't wait for any test footage, there is absolutely no point, just look at any X70 footage and that is what this camera does. I will most likely return it though, as it is ergonomically not well suited for handheld use with my farsightedness. Also, I cannot adjust the exposure and adjust focus at the same time, the controls are too far apart and placed badly for me. Sony also had the bright idea to not match the button placement to the LCD indicators for iris, gain, and shutter etc.

Anyway, the ONLY thing I like about this camera is the focus is quicker when at full telephoto than the X70, but everything else about it i am not happy with. Obviously, these opinions do not matter when used on a tripod in the day, which it would be wonderful for, and the controls would be amazing. I only ever adjust GAIN. I have an iris ring, adn a zoom ring that I wish to gosh I could set for gain or AE shift. I shoot 100% handheld with these cameras, I already have a proper shoulder ENG camera with 100 watt spotlight for tripod work. :(

If you have any questiosn regarding the operation or limitatiosn of this camera, or any specific aspect of it, please feeel free to ask and i will make sure you are "in the know". :-)

Paul

I'm really excited to see more test footage out of this camera. It's a bit over my budget but I have been looking at gear like the NX100 and haven't seen anything that really impresses me. a killer cam might just have me throwing some extra cash on it. Also looks like I can use the same batteries as I have on my V1e.
I'd really like to have a see some HD footage (not downscaled 4K) as I don't see me using 4K in any of my work for the next 1-2 years. Nice to be future proofed in some way, though.

If you do not want UHD then the CX900 at less than 1/3 the cost may give you almost the same picture, especially if you are not going to play around with scene files etc. Also has touch focus and nice wheel for controlling AE shift etc. Or get the AX100 which give you the future proofing of UHD but still with all these cameras only at 30P. As Paul as mentioned the X70 will give you all the Pro controls you may want too. The core of these cameras ( CX900, AX100, X70, Z100 are likely the same) with the Z150 having a new sensor but likely the rest is the same. X70 and Z100, Z150 use mxf wrapper and have time code while the CX900 and AX100 are mov wrapper with no timecode. However the latest AX53 does have time code and data code in XAVC-S mov wrapper so that is possible. If you want to try the 1" Sony cameras the CX900 is the lowest cost and about the same price as the AX53 ( which has UHD 30P ) As to batteries these new Sony's require the NP-F V series batteries not the older NP-FH batteries. They will give an error message if you try and use an older battery.

Ron Evans

Great points Ron.
I'm ordering the AX53.
Still on the fence between the 150 and FS5,one of which will be my main cam,although I'll keep my reliable ex.
Was good to find out at nab sonys software upgrade for the18 105 focus issues

Easy choice. The FS5 is a much better camera with interchangeable lenses and option of RAW out to get UHD 60P . But at some cost !!! The Z150 is a x70 basically in a different form factor with a new sensor. If you are going to keep your EX1 I don't think there is a need to hurry. Wait and see what Sony does about competing with the DVX200 and the AG-UX180 if you do not want interchangeable lenses. If Sony do nothing then either of the DVX200 or AG-UX180 would be a much better choice than the Z150. Just my opinion.

Ron Evans

It weighs twice as much as my X70. It is a tad front heavy when not using the F970 batteries, and it should be noted this camera is fine with aftermarket non chipped batteries. The focus mechanism is not like the X70, you can actually rack focus when zoomed in. Low light performance and sensitivity is identical to the X70, but with a slight reduction in apparent noise at each gain setting. Green/yellow color cast is not visible on the LCD, which I hope means they fixed the weird "off" green cast that has plagued my X70. Color correction values for the X70 seem to be compatible with the Z150, assuming you are not trying to transfer over any alterations that were meant to fix the green cast, which seems to be gone. Otherwise, everything is identical to the X70 if you judge it by the LCD and menu structure.

There is a menu item for "wide conversion lens". I don't know what that does, but it gives me hope there will be an OEM bayonet wide converter for this camera sometime in the near future....which for Sony means within 2 years.

Camera is going into service tonight, so I will begin posting clips and on air links shot in 1080p60 overnight.

Paul

Paul...thanks for the short review...I'm very interested in knowing how the rolling shutter at UHD is compared to the X70. Keep up the good work ; )

Easy choice. The FS5 is a much better camera with interchangeable lenses and option of RAW out to get UHD 60P . But at some cost !!! The Z150 is a x70 basically in a different form factor with a new sensor. If you are going to keep your EX1 I don't think there is a need to hurry. Wait and see what Sony does about competing with the DVX200 and the AG-UX180 if you do not want interchangeable lenses. If Sony do nothing then either of the DVX200 or AG-UX180 would be a much better choice than the Z150. Just my opinion.

Ron Evans

If I didn't require mpegts streaming, and low light capability, the other brand UHD 60p cameras would be a better choice. And the sensor in the Z150 is the same as the X70, the processor has been relocated to make it speedier, but it really doesn't look any different and is 100% not more sensitive than the X70

So, here is some 4K footage from my Z150. It looks identical to footage shot with my X70, no difference whatsoever. However, it is much much better at being operated on a tripod, by an order of magnitude! I hated trying to use the X70 on a tripod, but the Z150 is just big enough, and the controls are just right, for tripod operation.

Unfortunately, I have a camera that is better than the Z150 for tripod use, so I am still suck with a turd of a handheld device. Reverted to my X70 last night for all my live shots.

Footage below shot in 4K, black gamma high +7, detail +7. I was playing with the gamma and forgot to set it back to a much lower level. The detail boost is because the 4k clips are downrezzed to 720p, so I need the baked in sharpening to prevent blurring.

Paul

https://youtu.be/LrZMu1hcbKs

Normally I wouldn't take a new camera out of the box, charge the batteries and immediately put it to work, but I went out on a limb with this new camera and I'm very glad I did. The menu is very similar to my X-70 and my FS/7, the form factor and general control placement felt good so I decided to roll the dice.

My experience in this industry pales in comparison to most of you here so it is no try intent to contradict anyone, but I love this camera so far. I'm digging into the footage from my first assignment with it and will have some clips for you to look at in a day or two. The shoot was challenging, as always, with lots of moving parts and changing light. The Z-150 performed wonderfully, and I'm pleased that I made the investment. I have a mint X-70 with a Samaurai Blade and extra batteries for sale.

Here are some stills to set the stage.....

I am finding the Z150 to be much better at doing my active live shots, particularly the iris ring, that makes such a difference!

Paul

I agree Paul, the layout is much more professional!

I'm really excited to see more test footage out of this camera. It's a bit over my budget but I have been looking at gear like the NX100 and haven't seen anything that really impresses me. a killer cam might just have me throwing some extra cash on it. Also looks like I can use the same batteries as I have on my V1e.
I'd really like to have a see some HD footage (not downscaled 4K) as I don't see me using 4K in any of my work for the next 1-2 years. Nice to be future proofed in some way, though.

Here is some 1080p footage for you, shot in 1080p XAVC 50Mbps. Looks just as bland and lifeless as X70 footage in the dark. Every clip out of this camera is identical to my eyes to an X70......I cannot stress that enough.

Paul

Color corrected

https://youtu.be/ZTXYLlebcdc

Pictures are the same but coming from an ex with a true focus,iris ring,that's crucial for me and worth the extra 600.00
I shoot totally manual and the focusing and little iris knob on the 70 don't cut it,especially the infinite turning ring.
I'll probably get the 150,still pondering the fs5 now that they have a fix for that 18 105 lens issue.

Here is some 1080p footage for you, shot in 1080p XAVC 50Mbps. Looks just as bland and lifeless as X70 footage in the dark. Every clip out of this camera is identical to my eyes to an X70......I cannot stress that enough.


Thank you for this!

With regard to the “infinite turning ring”, a possible solution might be something like the Focus-One from Edelkrone:
Home: https://www.edelkrone.com/eu/
Focus-One: https://www.edelkrone.com/eu/p/504/focus-one

It has a set of lines that can be matched up and if it’s setup so that they’re lined up when the lens is on Infinity then one would be good to go with the infinity focus.

Pictures are the same but coming from an ex with a true focus,iris ring,that's crucial for me and worth the extra 600.00
I shoot totally manual and the focusing and little iris knob on the 70 don't cut it,especially the infinite turning ring.
I'll probably get the 150,still pondering the fs5 now that they have a fix for that 18 105 lens issue.

I am curious how you came up with the $600 difference, is it between the Z150 ($3,200) and X70 ($2,250 with 4k option)?

The Z150 is infinite turning as well, but the telephoto infiniti to macro turns are only about 1/4 now, not several full rotations liek the X70.......MUCH improved there!!!


Paul

when i handled it at nab paul, it seemed like my ex, i zoomed in and focussed quickly didnt turn it much at all. the x70 def isnt like that.
on the 600.00, i thought the x70 was 2,000 plus 500 for the 4k upgrade. so actually 700.00 difference.
either way, id get the 150 cuz of the lens setup, thats what im used to, and that difference in money will easily be made up on one job for me.

The X70 is not "tripod friendly" AT ALL......in fact, it is quite a PITA to adjust things on a pod, with that LCD tilted things get blocked.

Paul

Finally getting some time to look through my Z150 clips from my air to air mission last week. The camera performed remarkably well in the low light at the end of the shoot and the color and quality of the footage straight out of the camera seem very pleasing. I don't use auto focus much, but for this shoot I used it throughout, never it lose track for even a split second. Much as I like my X-70, I couldn't rely on the focus tracking, especially as the light dropped off, not terrible, but noticeable. The Z-150 followed my acrobatic subject wherever he went, and tracked the biz jet perfectly for 40 minutes.

The following day I was with The Blue Angels and I found the same reliability. By the time the sun had set on my first day with the Z-150, it had paid for itself.

The more I use the Z150, the more I like it. Really gotten used to the controls, so my "active" exposure transitions in night ENG situations and really improved my video quality.......no more popping gain ups and down all the time, and no more wobbling camera as I focus at full telephoto!

I also NAILED some new custom color correction PP4 settings, for the ones posted a long time ago for the X70. I now have alterations that allow me TRUE direct from camera color correct footage, unlike my X70, which always required a bit of massaging. The changes were color 1 modification +5 instead of +7 for phase, and master phase +1. Last setting change was white balance off-set for +1 R. With those, everything just looks right, and no more greenish tint/hue. I am also running black gamma LOW +7 and master black at -1. This works amazingly well for low light where you need to see shadows next to a brightly lit subject, or keep the background from turning superblack while shooting a talking head with a camera light. Black gamma HIGH + 7 really is very bad for low light ENG work, especially with the lack of highlight handling of this sensor. May work well in the day, but not at high gain at night.

Paul

Something to note, the top handle zoom rocker is of a fixed speed variety, there is no variability with pressure application. Also no top record button lock switch.

Menu note, the sound menu ncludes an on/off limiter, and a -/+ offset for level for each channel.

Paul

Here is some more night ENG Z150 4K footage.......this time, the detail was left at default of 0, instead of maximum!

https://youtu.be/lqvyjjUK_p8

Here is a copy of the Z150 user manual, in English, from the CD. If you need an alternate language, please let me know.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=30A3FDCFC7D2BAD3!920&authkey=!ANHQ9PRpwgxrdn8&ithint=file%2cpdf

Here is a copy of the Z150 user manual, in English, from the CD. If you need an alternate language, please let me know.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=30A3FDCFC7D2BAD3!920&authkey=!ANHQ9PRpwgxrdn8&ithint=file%2cpdf

Private link. Requires a OneDrive login.

Paul thanks for the manual, will be useful for a lot of people to decide about this model.

I think that for persons that they need to read manual before buy, English is enough. Personally I always read manuals in English (otherwise I don't understand the terms ;) )

Private link. Requires a OneDrive login.

Worked fine for me.

Thanks

Ron Evans

Paul, are you keeping the z150? If you had to choose the z150 or the x180 for event /conferences which would you choose?



Don't wait for any test footage, there is absolutely no point, just look at any X70 footage and that is what this camera does. I will most likely return it though, as it is ergonomically not well suited for handheld use with my farsightedness.

Paul

Yes, keeping the Z150 100%........I have "adjusted" to the controls now, and find myself much more proficient at adjusting exposure while rolling than my X70. The X70 is staying on board, as my grab from the seat OMG a plane is crashing in front of my camera solution. :-)

A Z150 story I shot, the one I posted some RAW 4K clips, has already gotten like 5 million Facebook hits in a day, so obviously, the viewing public has given the camera the thumbs up! :-D

https://www.facebook.com/ABC10News/videos/1106167322759082/

Paul I loved handling the 150 at nab.my main thing was to see how easy I could focus,plus the iris ring was very smooth.coming from an ex1r,that was important for me to make the switch.I plan on renting it first and put it through some real shoots.3200.00 is a steal considering what u get.I'll make that back on one wedding.

... the one I posted some RAW 4K clips...

Paul, you mean the videos that you posted in YouTube, not the RAW recorded files.

But if you have space on OneDrive it will be interesting to see some small records (few seconds) in these formats, XAVC Long (4:2:0/ 8bit 100 Mbps) & HD XAVC Long (4:2:2/ 10bit 50 Mbps) to see real records because in YouTube you can understand only the color and light performance.

I am keep reading the manual, for now I don't like 2 things that I found.

First on Streaming mode, it disables Simulations and Relay Recording (with some other minor features). So for long events if you want to stream it on internet will be problem. I am not sure if the same happens also when “Content Browser Mobile” used in mobile.

The second thing that I didn't understand, maybe Paul you can help me on that, is if SDI and HDMI can output signal at the same time (of course with same resolution). I am not sure about it.

SDI OR HDMI, never both at the same time. Also, you loose every custom button when streaming mode is enabled.....that means no Steadyshot on/off, no push to set white balance, no punch in focus assist, basically, all those side buttons stop functioning, just like the X70.

Paul

Worked fine for me.

Thanks

Ron Evans

I think the permissions changed right after I said it was private.

Paul, glad to hear you have come around to the z150 being a keeper. I have too. Took a chance and grabbed two for a one week travel gig instead of taking two FS7's (I have one) and I do not regret it at all. Footage looks fantastic using Cinetone#1 pic profile. Shooting mostly interviews in UHD 30p and vignettes in HD 60i in tight spaces was a snap with these low profile cameras and a couple of SmallHD702 Lite monitors for the director. This is a great flypack combo. The lens is really quite amazing and how fun is it to have macro to clear scan telephoto in one small package? Every camera has pluses and minuses, but hard to find many issues with these cameras. I hear lots of complaints on the boards about no UHD 60p, but since almost all shows are output in 30p, UHD 30p is just NOT an issue, in fact, it saves media space. Thanks for the setting suggestions, btw. The first thing I read about doing was knocking down the detail level--it's just too crispy, due in part to that sharp,very fast focusing G lens. Will post screen grabs if the client allows. Would love to know how these cams are rated since 3db and even 6db shows no grain. And DR was quite good in highly backlit situations. Mind boggling! Happy shooting.

QUOTE=Paul Anderegg;1913868]Yes, keeping the Z150 100%........I have "adjusted" to the controls now, and find myself much more proficient at adjusting exposure while rolling than my X70. The X70 is staying on board, as my grab from the seat OMG a plane is crashing in front of my camera solution. :-)

A Z150 story I shot, the one I posted some RAW 4K clips, has already gotten like 5 million Facebook hits in a day, so obviously, the viewing public has given the camera the thumbs up! :-D

https://www.facebook.com/ABC10News/videos/1106167322759082/[/QUOTE]

Hi Chris,

Nice to read your post re: the Z150, my sentiments exactly. The 150 certainly doesn't replace the FS/7, but as you noted, there are a number of scenarios where it fills in admirably. The X/70 is a good little camera, but the Z-150 far and away is a better tool.

I have the X70, which I love, and the Z150 which I love even more.

I originally thought I was just buying an X70 inside a bigger body. I figured they would perform almost the same. However!,...I did a job two weeks ago that makes me think this is wrong.

Without doing any real lab testing yet, it "SEEMS" that the Z150's newer stacked sensor is either cleaner or the noise reduction on the Z150 is significantly improved.

I was absolutely forced to run some shots at +18- 21db on the Z150 and I was really expecting pretty noisy, nasty stuff. But for some reason, the Z150 handled it much better than I ever expected.

Again without, doing a real test yet, I "think" the Z150 is maybe 3 or 6 db cleaner than the X70?? So the Z150 has about the same amount of noise at 18db and the X70 does at 12db??

Has anybody else noticed this? Again, I'm not sure yet, it's sorta hard to believe but in the next week I'll get the two together in a side by side shootout to get the real answer.

What do you guys think?

CT

I have found that the Z150 provides the same noise levels of the X70, at 6db MORE setting. So the X70 at 27db will look the same (noise) as the Z150 at 33db. It really is noticeable when you start using high black gamma settings, which is basically low IRE gain amplification. :-)

Also, the Z150 doesn't have green hue in shadows that turns on and off.....very irritating.

Paul

Doug Jenson just posted some footage he took with the camera up in Camden, Maine:
Sony PXW-Z150 4K Test Footage on Vimeo

I saw that last night Jeremy, beautiful stuff isn't it!? Doug has the gift for sure!

OMFG, I wish I could make my Z150 look like that! :-O

Paul

My thoughts exactly! Proves that old adage about the tools and the hands the tools are in, doesn't it. Look on the bright side, we know the camera is capable of it, and it gives us something to work toward. This color grading stuff is kicking my butt, and the 150 doesn't even beg for it like Slog on my FS/7. I want some kind of "auto" button...............:)

Color grading kicks your butt until you understand how to do it! Once you get the hang of it, it becomes fun, sort of like knowing a secret code to a safe full of gold. I love FCPX's simple grading controls, which are quick and easy, but severely limited for anything other than bringing standard profiles into better shape. For anything that you'd want to look like Dougs, Resolve has much better tools. The best way to learn is to download the free Resolve, and just mess with some clips for a few hours, have fun, play around with all the controls while googling what each one does. You can do it! :-D

Paul

I think that Dougs should send this video to Sony to replace their promotion video.

Amazing, Paul I wish that I can take from this camera the 10% of Dougs video quality. ;)

The only think for my job is the top menu ;(, I use it on tripod for live streaming so it’s a little bit hard to use it.