just presuming, as it's all we've got to go on ;-(

that said, have read there was no one from scs at nab to answer any questions, which doesn't bode well.

NAB 2016 - No Sony Creative Software Showing??? - Sony Vegas Pro - Video Forum (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/showmessage.asp?messageid=943213)

i'll be more than happy if it's a case of premature burial.

Ahhh... well that would explain why I've not seen any reports of a "beat down" at the Sony booth.

I'll be using SVP for years, regardless of any further updates. I've played around with some of the other offerings on the PC side and only stay as long as I have to. I occasionally go into Premiere to round-trip some footage for codec-swapping. Used to use Premiere for image stabilization, but at some point SVP got better enough at it so no longer need to round-trip for that. Anybody who thinks Catalyst is an editor, will be really impressed with Windows MovieMaker.

Mark

"Anybody who thinks Catalyst is an editor, will be really impressed with Windows MovieMaker. "

Excellent!

G

Yes it does seem to be MIA presumed dead.

Not trying to rub salt, but I moved to Final Cut about six months ago now and must say I haven't looked back.
I loved learning and using Vegas for all these years but the stress of the last couple took a toll.
The crashing, the nervous control S twitch, the random black frames, the woeful playback performance etc

Dont bash me for saying this, but now its just easy and stress free. Final Cut is solid.

I jump back into Vegas every few days on my second machine to do little things if the Mac isnt on, but its getting fewer and far between.

Everyone will have to decide where they go next eventually, will be interesting to see where the majority of Vegas editors end up.

All the best people :)

Yes it does seem to be MIA presumed dead.

Not trying to rub salt, but I moved to Final Cut about six months ago now and must say I haven't looked back.
I loved learning and using Vegas for all these years but the stress of the last couple took a toll.
The crashing, the nervous control S twitch, the random black frames, the woeful playback performance etc

Dont bash me for saying this, but now its just easy and stress free. Final Cut is solid.

I jump back into Vegas every few days on my second machine to do little things if the Mac isnt on, but its getting fewer and far between.

Everyone will have to decide where they go next eventually, will be interesting to see where the majority of Vegas editors end up.

All the best people :)

I to have begun my transition to FCPX; DVD production keeps me in Vegas for now, that and I need to buy that 5k mac to do my video work. I just built my pc last year, so it'll give me three years or so. I also find FCPX easier to work with, stays more up to date and has more available third party resources.

Obviously it is a "requirement" if you are shooting and producing Quicktime files. It is not required for anything else. Quicktime would be required for any editor if you are editing Quicktime files - this is not special to Vegas.

And, according to Adobe, the executable decoding Quicktime video files contains the vulnerability. So all Quicktime program files have to go.

I did a core components only install as suggested in this thread on Reddit and AE still works: https://www.reddit.com/r/AfterEffects/comments/4eyy81/possible_workaround_for_quicktime_security_issue/

Vegas though doesn't with Quicktime files.

This Quicktime issue isn't unique to Vegas, AVID, Premiere and Lightworks users have been discussing it.

The issue is using Quicktime player to play mov from the internet. . Just use VLC etc and remove file associations with Quicktime player.

Ron Evans

I highly doubt Vegas is dead.

It would be great for SCS to reinforce your "doubts".

For the QuickTime issue AVID has posted this for their users:

QuickTime Support and Security on Windows (http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/How_To/QuickTime-Support-and-Security-on-Windows)

SCS also published infos regarding the Quicktime thingy:

https://www.custcenter.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5197/kw/quicktime

Vegas is dead and Catalyst is its replacement. This was made clear to me earlier this month and I wasn't even trying to find out about it, just mentioned to me in some conversations.

Vegas is dead and Catalyst is its replacement. This was made clear to me earlier this month and I wasn't even trying to find out about it, just mentioned to me in some conversations.

Well its going to have get a lot better than it is now to compete in the current market for NLE's.

Ron Ev ans

For the QuickTime issue AVID has posted this for their users:

QuickTime Support and Security on Windows (http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/How_To/QuickTime-Support-and-Security-on-Windows)

Doesn't work for Vegas 10. Not sure how later versions will handle that.

I think you are relatively safe if you do not let Quicktime player run. Remove all file associations in Windows and remove Quicktime player from running in any of your browsers. That way it should not run for anything. Use other players to play mov files etc. VLC or Windows Media . Which is what I had done some time ago on all my PC's. The library files used by NLE's should not be a problem as far as I understand. I am sure that in the next series of updates all the NLE's will now remove the need for Quicktime.

For most people who do not use NLE's etc then removing Quicktime is a sensible choice and use another player for mov files etc.

Ron Evans

i simply renamed quicktimeplayer.exe. everything works - well, apart from the player ;-)

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Ho ho!

Dave

On another thread there seems to be a reply to a poster from someone at Sony Creative Software support which states that Vegas 14 is being worked on, but there has been unexpected delays.

Vegas is dead and Catalyst is its replacement. This was made clear to me earlier this month and I wasn't even trying to find out about it, just mentioned to me in some conversations.

See, I heard the same thing from Alister and this is where I got this from.

This is why I spread around that it was indeed dead.

But now I'm hearing conflicting reports...

i really can't understand scs's reluctance to come out with the truth. either way the disruption their silence is causing is going to be a major factor in the stream of loyal customers looking elsewhere.

On a Creative Cow thread there seems to be a reply to a poster from someone at Sony Creative Software support which states that Vegas 14 is being worked on, but there has been unexpected delays.

As you well know I posted some of the publicity shots for the New Vegas 14 release which got released to the dealers. Dealers also received pricing information for Vegas 14. From what I understand dealers were told to hold off just days before the release which I was informed was supposed to be April 5th from memory. In other words I still believe Vegas 14 will happen.

Re the unexpected delays. I am hearing similar stories and that the sudden holdup might have something to do with the QuickTime issue and having to go back into coding to enable support of .MOV files without having to rely on Apple's 32-bit QuickTime support. If that's the case I am more than happy to wait. Time will tell I guess!

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

Native 64bit ProRes I/O and DNxHD (container independent) I/O would maybe skyrocket them past any other Windows NLE at this point.

It's asking a lot for ProRes but not too much for DNxHD and DNxHR.

i really can't understand scs's reluctance to come out with the truth. either way the disruption their silence is causing is going to be a major factor in the stream of loyal customers looking elsewhere.Oh I can Leslie: Division or corporate lethargy, coupled with diminishing individual career opportunities is the only reason I can see or think for the prolonged silence.

There's a telephone ringing somewhere in Wisconsin but nobody's at home. About time somebody recognised we're here. At best, this is corporate fear. At worst, it's just plain rude.

Grazie

Native 64bit ProRes I/O and DNxHD (container independent) I/O would maybe skyrocket them past any other Windows NLE at this point.

It's asking a lot for ProRes but not too much for DNxHD and DNxHR.
Wouldn't it be something if SCS pulled in ProRes without QT! I have to agree with Jack, though, Apple has shown little interest in the windows side of ProRes, with their EOL of QT for windows it's hard to imagine them opening ProRes to an SCS decoder. Wouldn't it be a nice surprise, though.
Oh I can Leslie: Division or corporate lethargy, coupled with diminishing individual career opportunities is the only reason I can see or think for the prolonged silence...
Oh, I don't know. Corporate silos are the same all over. I could easily imagine someone in charge saying "We don't announce until we release, that's always been our policy..." I tend to accept this sort of thing as business-as-usual, though I agree with Grazie's and others' comments that it is destructive of Sony's relationships with a once-loyal group of users. AVID was famously siloed, even when they were the dominant NLE. How about the Apple silo, that caused the massive professional abandonment of the platform when FCPX came along.

But, Apple may get the last laugh, as up-and-coming editors who weren't around for the FCP7 to X debacle embrace the new NLE GUI, which has continued to improve.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think Sony is especially nefarious or unappreciative of their users. It's the same all over, much as we would wish it were otherwise.

Editshare, which has a strong forum community with Lightworks, doesn't let too much out in advance about release timing or new features. The time between releases has varied a bit, especially when the cross platform builds were coming out However, they do have a long beta testing stage that allows users to communticate directly with developers.

RED, in the early days was an example of going too far the otherway, with time slips etc, but now hold things very close to their chest. This seems to be case with all programs, although there is more of a rolling release process these days, rather than always waiting for NAB or IBC etc.

Could be Sony don't want to go big in marketing Vegas when they haven't anything new to release and want to keep their powder dry with new features or chamges in Vegas 14.

Corporate silos are the same all over. I could easily imagine someone in charge saying "We don't announce until we release, that's always been our policy..."

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think Sony is especially nefarious or unappreciative of their users. It's the same all over, much as we would wish it were otherwise.

My sentiments exactly.

I would not characterize the users jumping ship because Sony will not make an announcement yet about upcoming release as loyal users. If that is all it take for someone to switch products then they were not committed to it to begin with.

It's not about loyalty anyway, a product meets your needs or it does not. Vegas meets mine. I remember trying out a trial of Premier pro and the hoops I had to jump through to accomplish the simplest of things that were but one or two mouseclicks in Vegas.

Vegas meets my needs. I can edit multi-camera shoots of 4K on a computer that is 4 years old. It's not perfect but I am still very fond of Vegas and find it's simplicity for what I do a wonder.

Like most of us, I wish they would get under the hood and improve things. The way Edius handles HD and 4K footage without much effort makes me extremely jealous, but it is what it is.

At any rate, for now, I'm good.

Not to sound like a broken record, but there are many directions Sony could/should/have taken or take Vegas. When the great Fruit started over with FCPX, we all had to take steroid injections to keep from getting sick, but I agreed with their philosophy of designing software with the end user in mind, there for starting over. Granted FCPX in it's infancy was only good for dog videos or maybe skating videos, Apple had the right idea.

A real world example is; I recently rendered some videos into MP4s, I have four different tvs to test on and out of Vegas, it failed on 1. So I took that same video file and re-rendered using software that is specifically designed for a variety of end uses; ipod, ipads, phones etc. That fixed my issue. The difference is the conversion software stays current and relevant to what we need in end time delivery for today's market.

Is Vegas dead, I still say it is, or like I mentioned before, Sony keeps it just so they say they have software, kinda like having a treadmill in your house that you rarely pay attention to.

No one seems to have reacted to Christopher Young's post ( No. 73 above):-

As you well know I posted some of the publicity shots for the New Vegas 14 release which got released to the dealers. Dealers also received pricing information for Vegas 14. From what I understand dealers were told to hold off just days before the release which I was informed was supposed to be April 5th from memory. In other words I still believe Vegas 14 will happen.

Re the unexpected delays. I am hearing similar stories and that the sudden holdup might have something to do with the QuickTime issue and having to go back into coding to enable support of .MOV files without having to rely on Apple's 32-bit QuickTime support. If that's the case I am more than happy to wait. Time will tell I guess!

Richard

I missed it, thanks Richard. This is good news.

It's amazing how folks, armed with no concrete evidence, will go public with this kind of thing and start the rumour mill. If someone did this to my business, started rumours I was going out of business with no proof, I'd be pretty angry.

Jeff et all, the biggest problem I see is the reluctance of SCS to tell us one way or the other about the future of Vegas :(
Based on what I've read here and elsewhere, there are a lot of users that, based on the rumours, have or are planning to switch to another NLE and that's a real problem as SCS is losing long term users.
If they would just come out and say tell us what's happening, that would be a huge plus to them.

A lot of messages about nothing.
What is the issue here? Vegas Pro is doing its job nicely for 99% of all users. Why not peacefully wait until the truth comes floating on the surface?

A simple "the rumors of our demise are greatly exaggerated" announcement would certainly be encouraging...

Both Vegas and the Alpha A mount are in this category. As a Sony user with a fair amount of "commitment" to both, it's rather frustrating, especially when the Cybershot division keeps spitting out newer better products!

Don't forget the way they killed off Cinescore.

Dave

Don't remind me, I paid full price for cinescore to find out one week later it would be discontinued and was sold at a fraction of the cost I paid for it.

the biggest problem I see is the reluctance of SCS to tell us one way or the other about the future of Vegas :(

Mike, I agree with you that, yes, it would be nice, but Sony has never behaved the way that many of us think they should. You and I have been around here long enough to know that they just don't, never have and probably never will. And you and I have both seen this uproar every cycle or two when things don't happen fast enough.

I agree with a previous poster who mentioned that few companies are very open when it comes to this sort of thing. Let's not forget how ungracefully Apple abandoned FCP and pretty much abandoned the professional market to focus on a more lucrative consumer market.

I just don't see the purpose behind the hand-wringing. Sony has always played their cards close to their vest.

If people are abandoning Vegas because news isn't coming fast enough I can only say fine, that's their choice. It never occurred to me that anything was wrong until I saw this thread, at which point I thought to myself "Here we go again!"

I guess I'm so jaded and have been in Vegas land enough years that the pattern of how this stuff plays out time after time is SO familiar and unchanging.

A lot of messages about nothing.
What is the issue here? Vegas Pro is doing its job nicely for 99% of all users. Why not peacefully wait until the truth comes floating on the surface?

Couldn't agree more! In truth, there have been a lot of very valid points made, but when speaking to the original intent of the post, yes, it's much ado about nothing to me also.

I did see the name Edius again in this thread which had me looking at it for the umpteenth time, but when I remember the lack of plug ins, and how I love Ultimate S and the multicam feature it offers, and the ease with which I can use Plural Eyes to sync my audio almost instantly, I forget about Edius and go back to editing.

I also found something odd, the price of vegas pro 13 on the official sony website is 558 euro excl taxes, there is a reputable audio store in the Netherlands however selling the same version for 210 euro excl taxes. That's less then half the official price, maybe they know something we don't know yet? It's weird to find such large price differences on a NLE unless they are clearing stock.

Interestng, Noa!

Clearing stock? I like the sound of that! So that's an indication v14 is about to be unleashed.

SONY
"Make.Believe"

Everything's going to be ok.

If Magix goes the subscription route, I'm selling everything and getting out.


MW

Clearing stock?

Don't take my word for it! I"m just guessing.

Still using 12 here, I didn't think there was a compelling reason to upgrade to 13.

Still using 12 here, I didn't think there was a compelling reason to upgrade to 13.
Maybe to help make sure there is a 14? Just sayin :)

Absolutely - even if Vegas is dead with Sony, if people are still upgrading another company could be persuaded to buy if there are still sales. Upgrade to 13.

I read a LikedIn article announcing Magix took SMS, Vegas, DVDA, Sound Forge and Acid.

MAGIX! Pulled Vegas outta the Top Hat.

Grazie

Read the press release here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/magix-ag

Cannot read press release, anyone else having same issue?

I will say, at first blush, this seems like really good news. A bit scary but I can live with it, a company that might actually be enthusiastic about the product and move forward in a positive direction.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/magix-aquires-sonys-video-editing-music-software-today-klaus-schmidt?articleId=6140572451404337153#comments-6140572451404337153&trk=prof-post