Dear Friends

Some of you (like Doug or Olof) know about my physical handicap. On the other hand, I've always been after the best PQ - and frankly, I believe a true UHDTV requires 4K at 50/60 fps (I'm not talking now about things like HDR, the proper color gamut, pixel depth and chroma subsampling) - just the most fluid motion possible.... FS5 is not capable of it, so - added it only is lightweight when naked - I'm more and more leaning towards the FS7... A couple of points:

- my feeling is that should the framerates/bitrates/resolutions of the FS5 satisfy me, I could as well save 50% of its price and go with the X70

- if I go with the FS7K, the kit lens is not as cheap as the FS5K kit lens, plus it doesn't provide enough wide angle; do you think it would make sense - for purely price-related reason - to buy FS7 body only and (for the beginning) the $500 lens that comes with the FS5K? I've heard sth about Sony's commitment to improve it's focusing precision... Or doesn't it do justice to the FS7 at all?

Please provide me with what you think about my doubts, and advise accordingly.

Piotr

No, you can do good with the 18-105. People have been reporting the 28-135's weight has made it's brittle plastic interface with the mount break with enough force.

It makes sense to use the cheaper servo lens which is much easier on the wallet to replace than the 28-135.

Of course, going all out, you can get the HDx35 and a HD Canon or Fuji 2/3'' lens later on if you want full manual control.

The FS5 and FS7 are so wildly different from each other that the decision between them should be quite obvious for anyone who has seriously done their homework to compare them. They have almost nothing at all in common so I don't understand how it can be a hard decision. Some people will be better served my one, and some people by the other, but the choice should be easy when someone sits down and seriously compares them head to head.

I could say the same thing about the two lenses -- they are totally different from each other, so how can be be a hard decision?

It's like going shopping for a new car and you can't decide between a Suburban or a two-seater sports car. Both might be very good vehicles, but they don't serve the same purpose.

You know what, Doug? I really thought you knew better than that. But in your last dispute with Jack, and now - with this answer, you really prove to be a rather non-sympathetic guy. I wrote here many time I'm handicapped, which not only reflects on ability to and-held a camera, but in my financial standing as well (I thought the latter goes without saying). Luckily, shooting and editing video has been my second profession; you can read about me in my LinkedIn profile (I know you will not, because "you don't car about other people not related to your business"): https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-wozniacki-94922120

But as Alister Chapman put it in his excellent "which camera to buy" article in his blog:

If you’re running a business then you should also ask yourself that all important question: Will the more expensive camera make me more money? Yeah, yeah, I know…. for some of us they are our babies, our toys and it is nice to have the best toys. But don’t bankrupt yourself buying something you can’t afford or don’t really need.

- as an engineer by my first profession, I love technology and am always tempted by a more advanced (though more expensive, and not necessarily really needed,) tool for cultivating my creative passions - which didn't go away when the disease struck...

I guess you just don't care about people's passions either, Doug :(

Having just been on a shoot with both the FS7 and an FS5 I think the reason people would have trouble choosing between the two cameras are valid and not as easy for some to make as others. The person who bought the FS5 for the shoot I was on was thinking the camera did enough for them in the way they work to think they didn't need to spend the extra money for the FS7 and its feature set. They don't foresee ending up on shoots where the FS5 doesn't cut it. The FS5 is more of a one man band kind of camera than the FS7 and that is what they wanted. If you are not going to take advantage of or need the extra flexibility of the FS7 then the choice is easier. Of course I have been on shoots where the FS7 features that are not on the FS5 were an advantage so I am happy I didn't have to create a workaround or rent another camera to work that way. I don't like having to change my workflow to the limited feature set of the FS5 compared to the FS7. Others may not care. The only operational feature I wish the FS7 had which the FS5 has is the variable ND. Sometimes it takes a while for people to find out why they needed one feature over another. Predicting the future uses of a camera is very hard for most people to feel confident in and that is usually why there is some trepidation in making a choice.

I guess you just don't care about people's passions either, Doug :(

Piotr,

I have no idea what you are talking about. If you have an issue with my earlier post you clearly did not understand what I was trying to say. I stand by everything I have posted here and on other threads -- whether you want to listen to it or not, or for some odd reason find it offensive. Geez, I honestly try to help people and all they can do is spit in my face because I didn't research their personal lives. I just don't get it.

I wish you luck in your search for the camera that will best meet your needs . . . whatever they are. I strongly suggest you compare the cameras and lenses head to head -- and the right choice should be immediately obvious because they are so different. If you expect a stranger to say "hey, buy this camera because it fits your personal needs best" then you are sadly mistaken.

Doug,

I know the FS5 & FS7 features and differences by heart - but only people actually using them for time long enough to get the full picture (pun unintended) can advise me. A short "test drive" I might or might not get from any of the Polish suppliers, which aren't that many and don't keep such stocks as American ones, would not be sufficient.

And my needs and goals are obvious: to get a batter bang for the buck. As simple as that.

Also, I posted several valid questions which you didn't even care to address (e.g. with the same code, framerates and resolutions, is the FS5 worth 3x more than the X70? - even considering it's an S35 camera while the other only has a 1" imager, in some circumstances it can be an advantage as getting the critical focus would be easier. Similarly - is the ultimate goal - the picture quality - 150% better from the FS7 than it can be from the FS5? The numbers and percentages reflect the price differences of course.

So yes - your answer has simply been arrogant, Doug.

Piotr

Wow, I guess I'll just wipe that spit off my face again. I'm sorry I didn't address your questions to your satisfaction. Please accept my sincerest apologies for not spending more time on it. I'll try to do better in the future.

Your humble servant,
Doug


PS. If you think my advice to compare the features of the cameras is arrogant, then it is clear that you have not compared the features of the cameras yet. I rest my case.

What type of video do you shoot Piotr? Is 50/60fps @ 4k a requirement for your next camera purchase?

Doug said nothing wrong Piotr. If you are going to refer to your disability in a post, you should say what it is if you want help that takes that into consideration. Don't expect people to know what you said in another thread. All Doug said was to compare the cameras specs and the choice should be obvious. So what disability should we take into consideration when advising you on what camera you want?

Wow, I guess I'll just wipe that spit off my face again.

No Doug, your answer was like a spit on my face

I'll try to do better in the future.

You know Doug - we have a bunch of real gurus on these forums, and you're certainly one of them. But I'm asking you one single thing: just compare yourself with Alister I mentioned above.

Your humble servant,
Doug

No need to be sarcastic. I'm still your friend, Doug.

Peace.

What type of video do you shoot Piotr? Is 50/60fps @ 4k a requirement for your next camera purchase?

Hi Noa,

Mainly live classical music performances, in beautiful venues. I used to be one of a multi-camera crew (6-10 cameras) - I've only been editing for quite a long time.

Why I'm thinking of buying a new camera I partially explained in my previous post - this time it's only going to serve me for some beauty shots, maybe a feature or two - things like that. As I said, luckily I do have another profession :)

Thanks for asking!

Piotr

Piotr,

Well if you only plan to shoot on sticks and need high end then get the FS7 it will produce superior results especially in 4K (real 4K not UHD) and it has the CineEI. However you may be better off shooting Rec709 or a Custom Hypergamma depending of how the concert is lit. Do a lot of testing during the rehearsals to figure out the best mode and camera settings.

If you plan to be mobile with a StediCam or Gimbal then the FS5 is better.

I would spend a lot of my money on great lenses and use a FS7 for live concert shoots. All the live concerts I have recorded were multi cam with some mobile and some on sticks or jibs.

I would say that even in HD the picture is superior from the FS7. Harder to configure then the FS5 but done right it is extremely capable and the absolute best bargain in cameras today IMHO.

I would watch Doug's 50 minute preview it really helps to nail down what the FS5 is and what the differences are to the FS7. As a matter of fact I would rent the Vortex FS5 and watch the whole series a few times, this will really make it clear what the FS5 is. Then rent the FS7 videos and watch that the same way. This will help you make a good decision. But I would still rent/borrow/demo both.

Personally I have both, for different shooting situations, and a A7s as well it is the low light champ and a fantastic stealth cam.

This is how I decide what cam to use.

On sticks controlled locations. Always the FS7.

Talking heads. FS7 A-cam, FS5 B-cam.

Shoulder shooting for a long period. The FS7, it is better on the shoulder and the EVF is superior.

Quick moving, back packing unpredictable shoot. FS5. Like on speed boats or snow mobiles. Skiing.

Night time shoot around town. A7s

Stealth shoot in a city or possible sensitive location. A7s or FS5.

StediCam. I use both the FS7 and 5 the 7 is just as good here, more weight is better.

Gimbal shoot. FS5 or A7s.

Most shoots I bring all 3 and the EX3 as well. Then use the right cam for different parts of the shoot.

I realize you don't have my budget, but I think maybe this helps illustrate what the different cams are good at.

I also shoot with MRs a lot, those go in the production truck as well. Great establishing shots, can be flown indoors for great over view of a concert hall, done during a rehearsal can cut into the finished piece really well.

It is all about the right tool for the job.

I think you have to ask yourself if a fs7 is a camera that you need or want, remember that the body is only a small part of the cost because the fun starts when you start to invest in lenses, you mentioned to maybe start with a cheap lens but that is a waste of money, lenses are the best investment you can make (if you buy the expensive ones) and they can last you a lifetime and hold their resale value much better compared to camera's

I think for your type of shooting you would be better of with a dvx200 alike camera, much cheaper then a fs5 or fs7 (if you include the lens cost as well) and it's a complete camera that can do 50fps at 4K and has a much larger sensor then your ex1.

You know what, Doug? I really thought you knew better than that. But in your last dispute with Jack, and now - with this answer, you really prove to be a rather non-sympathetic guy.
I have read Doug's writings for years, never have been in a place to need his classes, but with the FS5 I really was looking forward to buying his class. Glad I held off. After reading the things he said in the other thread, I've decided to put those funds elsewhere.

As for the FS5 vs FS7, I agree that the cameras have a lot in common (and I disagree with Doug that the very utterance of the question makes you uninformed or uneducated). I prefer the FS5. I have the Sony 18-105, and it's an okay lens but the focus thing is very difficult, depending on how you use the camera. I have a Tamron 18-50 on it now. It's f/2.8 (instead of f/4 of the Sony). Better focus, more light, and with the digital zoom on the FS5 the lack of reach isn't an issue. It's a GREAT walkaround lens. I don't think the FS7 does digital zoom, so you'd really be lacking there.

Whatever you do, good luck. I'd love to see some photos of you in action.

I realize you don't have my budget, but I think maybe this helps illustrate what the different cams are good at.
.

Hi Olof!

Thanks for your elaborated and exhaustive response (as usual), but the paragraph I quoted above is - sadly - the most important statement that makes your broad and of course the most sensible approach rather impossible for me to adopt :(

Cheers

Piotr

I think you have to ask yourself if a fs7 is a camera that you need or want, remember that the body is only a small part of the cost because the fun starts when you start to invest in lenses, you mentioned to maybe start with a cheap lens but that is a waste of money, lenses are the best investment you can make (if you buy the expensive ones) and they can last you a lifetime and hold their resale value much better compared to camera's

I think for your type of shooting you would be better of with a dvx200 alike camera, much cheaper then a fs5 or fs7 (if you include the lens cost as well) and it's a complete camera that can do 50fps at 4K and has a much larger sensor then your ex1.

Hello again, Noa!

As to good lenses being the most future prove investment in the video industry/business, you're absolutely right. Olof's' examples on Vimeo shows that using even very old, but high quality vintage still glass (which I do have from my EX1+Letus times) can be a temporary solution for me for many problems - like if I bought the FS7K, after all, and found the kit lens not wide enough for a particular task - I can always put my 16mm F2.8 Canon FD prime, and the resolution would suffer only moderately (btw, I have a nice collection of these lenses, so I hope this plus the FS7 kit lense would bring me through the initial period of climbing the FS7 learning curve - when I have saved enough cash again, I could invest in more "serious" glass again). But this non-nonsense plan means the highest initial expenditure for me, so I'll repeat one of my OP questions again:

- if I bought the FS7 with SELP18105G lens instead of the more expensive FS7K kit lens, how bad would the barrel/pincushion distortion be (that the camera cannot compensate for)? I'd be grateful to anybody kind enough for posting a still showing it, for me to decide whether or not I could live with it (I have asked for this favor in one of my previous conversations with Doug, but to no avail).

As to the DVX200: it looks like a perfect camera on paper, with the price tag in between the X70 and the FS5; sadly my arms-neck partial disability makes handling the EX1 with add-ons it requires difficult if not impossible - the Panasonic is even heavier, and also requires a shoulder mount for me to be used... Also, I went through all 274 pages of the other forum thread about it, and it doesn't seem to perform quite as the specs on paper would suggest. Sure - most shortcomings seem to be the teething problems, and the early adopters' problems with setting the DVX200 up properly (as Barry Green patiently keeps pointing out) - but still, it looks to large and heavy for me being handicapped like this (and the message from my doctors is I will never be better, at my 61 years of age and after 2 unsuccessful surgeries on my neck spine).

Thanks anyway for your suggestions

Piotr

I have read Doug's writings for years, never have been in a place to need his classes, but with the FS5 I really was looking forward to buying his class. Glad I held off. After reading the things he said in the other thread, I've decided to put those funds elsewhere.

What can I say? Hate flames...


Whatever you do, good luck. I'd love to see some photos of you in action.

Thanks mate;

Piotr

I have the FS7 and bought the FS5 for a back up and when I wanted a tiny camera... For what I shoot I am really questioning if I need the FS7 enough to keep it. I think the FS7 is absolutely the better value and a more well rounded camera but the FS5 is small and light enough that it puts it in a much better place regarding support equipment size, weight and cost

FS7 I needed my heavy Kessler Cine slider, a larger tripod system Vinten pozi lock legs legs and heavy 100mm head, if I wanted a gimbal for it I rented the regular Ronin, not a fan of vari ND so I used my matte box when possible .... and always use the larger more secure van

FS5 I am using the Varavon Slidcam EX plus 1000, Vinten vision blue and some small carbon single tube legs, Ronin M and even added a cheap $200 DLSR jib from eBay that would never ever work with my FS7. The jib and slider are cheap enough if they go missing or only live a couple years its not the end of the world this easily fits in the car

I missed the DSLR revolution shooting ENG cameras but I think I get it now, its really been liberating not being tied down to the big and costly support gear that goes along with the other cameras. When the day comes I need a better more robust codec I can always use a recorder or take advantage of the future RAW output and deal with the large set up when its needed.

The FS5 and stock lens are so light it works just fine on my Vinten Pro-Touch 5. Although I expect it would hit issues with a heavier lens.

I have read Doug's writings for years, never have been in a place to need his classes, but with the FS5 I really was looking forward to buying his class. Glad I held off. After reading the things he said in the other thread, I've decided to put those funds elsewhere.

I don't know why Doug's character is being called into question, and I don't know the man, but I bought the class for the EX3 years ago and again paid for the class for the FS7 and I can say they are incredible, well researched, extremely thorough and highly prepared tutorials that will save you HOURS of learning by trial and error and could save you trouble on the set of a paying client.

Every time I have posted a question directly to Doug he has taken time and answered me on a thread, and the value of that advice and experience cannot be underestimated. Looking at this thread I see no problem with his response to Piotr.

I am sorry to hear of Piotr's difficulties, but he cannot expect someone to answer a question as broad as "which camera do I need for my personal, unique situation." Doug's advice to fully research both cameras/lenses and possibly rent and try them out beforehand is an appropriate one.

I don't know if I could be any more clear, you actually quoted it in your reply, but if you read the other thread where he makes light of someone's neurological condition, that's pretty much what turned me off. As I said in my initial reply, I don't doubt his camera knowledge at all.

Plus the fact that Doug has posted for free in another thread on this forum the initial section of his FS5 course -- in which he outlines some of the major differences between the FS5 and FS7. I know that when I compare the features (and what my clients require - such as ECS capability) the FS7 was the proper choice.
I hope everyone reading this thread has watched Doug's video!

Wait, the FS5 has no ECS? For LED stage lighting with variable brightness this is crucial.

Wait, the FS5 has no ECS? For LED stage lighting with variable brightness this is crucial.

We actually have very few issues with LED stage lighting frequencies. However the video walls used for dynamic sets in many of the Broadway shows do sometimes require tweaking the shutter speed slightly. Not to mention the random computer or equipment screen scan that's running at a strange rate in corporate or product shot situations... Again, look at (free) chapter 1 of Doug's FS5 video...

I don't know if I could be any more clear, you actually quoted it in your reply, but if you read the other thread where he makes light of someone's neurological condition, that's pretty much what turned me off. As I said in my initial reply, I don't doubt his camera knowledge at all.

Please believe me - if I reacted to Doug's dismissive answer to my own questions in this thread was really because it happened right after his disrespectfully treating Jack's condition in another thread. Being handicapped myself, I strongly sympathize with Jack; Doug knows about my disability as well so his impolite treating two persons like Jack and myself in a row, one just after the other, has really been too much to keep my mouth shut. I'm 61 years old, always respect people and expect the same from them.

Also, I didn't expect Doug to "to answer a question as broad as "which camera do I need for my personal, unique situation.", as Brian put it. What I expected was a couple of opinions from people actually using both (or any of the two) cameras to help me look at them from a more real perspective; interestingly it was Jack who was the first to provide me with a short but valuable answer (well - people who suffer usually have more empathy to other sufferers). Also, Olof who also is one of our gurus here, did find the time and patience for a very exhaustive answer.

Finally, I'm far from questioning Doug's profound knowledge of cameras; I never bought any of his tutorials an never will, but after having watched bot FS5 and FS7 introductory chapters on Vimeo I appreciate his technical knowledge. However, there are other gurus like Alister with similar knowledge who share it free - just as I do frequently with my profound knowledge of plastics injection molding computer simulation and optimization, which happens to be my main profession. I never dismiss a person even if he/she asks the most naive questions...

But as I stated in my last answer to Doug: I don't have any bad feelings (it's just the way I am), so please everybody - let's close this dispute and leave it in PEACE.

Piotr

He just once again upstaged one of my answers passive aggressively and I'm not going to stand for that anymore.

Edit: Wow, he reported the post. My point that there are no moving parts that can break down is very valid. Yet he has this "vendetta" to just prove me wrong at everything I post.

I even explicitly stated I've fallen on hard times and I get reported...

Hi Olof!

Thanks for your elaborated and exhaustive response (as usual), but the paragraph I quoted above is - sadly - the most important statement that makes your broad and of course the most sensible approach rather impossible for me to adopt :(

Cheers

Piotr

One more question to those actually using the FS7 (I'm almost decided to get this puppy - although my question would be valid with FS5 as well):

I'm trying to sell parts of my old equipment I used with my EX1, and hesitate whether such low-res pieces like the two below would possibly have any usage with 4K on super 35mm camera:

- my Marshall 7" field monitor (only 800x480); perhaps good for framing control only when shooting on tripod? Keep it or sell it for whaever it's worth?

- my Zacuto Z-Finder EVF Pro 3x (complete) - with its low-res 800x480, shall I keep it at all (interestingly, even with the Gratical out for some time, it's still $1,000 on Zacuto site)?

TIA for advance

Piotr

Keeping or selling old monitoring gear depends a lot on your working style.

In my case, I've re-purposed my Zacuto EVF as a client monitor. Sounds strange?? -- Perhaps, but when shooting b-roll and running around on bright, sunny days I can hand the EVF to the field producer or client and they can watch as I shoot -- without me having to listen to them complain about the field monitor being hard to see in the sun.

The EVF is also great because it's light to carry around (I stopped letting producers/clients carry 7" monitors long ago - they drop easily) -- of course I keep the magnifying eyepiece gaffer-taped on to avoid it getting brushed off. And of course a neck strap is also a good idea,,,

Good idea, Dave!

So as a focusing aid it's definitely not enough for 4K, and the original FS7 monitor is better for this purpose...

Piotr

PS. Please forgive my naive questions - I never even had a 4K camera in m hands :)

I'm happy enough with the FS7 viewfinder - I prefer it to the Zacuto EVF when expanding to focus.
Also maybe it's just me, but I think there's a little more delay using the Zacuto EVF than on the FS7 viewfinder. (Haven't done a scientific test... but that was always one of my issues with the FS700). I'm happier staying with the FS7 viewfinder and repurposing the Z-EVF to the producer/client.

I don't have a Sony, but watch this forum to keep informed...

However, I do own a Gratical X and two Z-Finder Pros. True, the Z-Finders have less resolution, but sometimes, after using the Gratical for several days, when I return too the Z on my Pocket, it seems EASIER to focus, because the image is so much larger. And with 1:1 (which doesn't cost more on the Z) focusing is very easy and accurate. Since it's possible to get a Z for around $600 now I wouldn't discount it. (I should mention that the Pocket passes it's color peaking through the HDMI, and in log it works better than an EVF's.)

The biggest advantage - for me - of the Gratical is having the exposure assist scopes in the black letterbox below the image... that's very cool.

Hi i was also wondering between those 2 cameras ..... and my work is mostly events and i care to have a servo lens , i care about the slow motion not interested a lot shooting 4K, 2k will do

first i was thinking about FS5 with the 28-135mm cause its lighter and in my kind of work we shoot non stop all the time, not to mention that it works on SD cards which i already have. the only thing made me doubt is the slow motion, FS7 can shoot 180fps continues while the FS5 its can do more than 180fps but only a few seconds.

so im kind of lost here if anyone can advise i will be grateful. here's what i care about
2K, good quality slow motion, and non stop hand held shooting, im mentioning hand held cause i dont care using it on Ronin or slider or anything else maybe very few times tripod.

i think i will go with 28-135mm but still didnt decide which body.
any help ? thank you

Arlen,
Since you plan to use the camera hand-held, a wide angle zoom would be a better choice than the Sony 28-135. I have that 28-135 lens, and I like it, but I usually have the camera on a tripod or jib. When I do put the camera on my shoulder, I use my Nikon 24mm lens (with Nikon-mount adapter). And that's almost wide enough, but I'm thinking of getting the G.L. Optics 18-35mm zoom (it's the Sigma zoom, modified for cinema use). Of course, that means no automatic focus or exposure ... I don't know if you're OK with that.

You can use the Canon 24-105 lens with a Metabones Speedboster Ultra, which will make the lesn close to the MM marked on the lens. I personally use the Sigma 24-105mm f/4 with the Speedboster Ultra, which makes it an f/2.8.
As for slow motion. I shoot slow motion at 240fps in either 4 or 8 second bursts. 8 seconds of 240fps played back at 30p is 1 minute of slow motion footage. I find I don't need more than that. And with the trigger after function, I just hit record right after something happens and it captures the previous 8 seconds. I like the slower slow-mo of the FS5. And with the variable ND filter built in, I can dial in that exposure perfectly.

Here's some slow-mo I recently shot with the FS5.
https://youtu.be/3iHkfpIOFT0

In the first 5 minutes of this video I point out most of the major differences between the two cameras.

Doug Jensen’s Sony PXW-FS5 Master Class - CHAPTER ONE FREE! on Vimeo

Of course, that means no automatic focus or exposure ... I don't know if you're OK with that.

Hi Ken thank for your help but i need a servo lens cause i need automatic zoom i can do without auto focus and exposure but i care a lot about the zoom.

wide angle wont be a problem cause we have multiple cameras at the same time any wide angle can jump in when its needed

In the first 5 minutes of this video I point out most of the major differences between the two cameras.

Doug Jensen’s Sony PXW-FS5 Master Class - CHAPTER ONE FREE! on Vimeo (https://vimeo.com/153611461)

Thx Doug for you video, i just have one more question i hope ))) does the slow motion quality differ between them since the FS5 shoot in burst mode ?

That's a tricky question to answer because the FS7 has overall better picture quality than the FS5 in all shooting modes. Although I've never specifically compared the slow motion head to head, but I would say the quality is similar between the two cameras as long as you don't exceed 240 fps on the FS5. The 480 and 960 speeds on the FS5 are unusable for professional work, and you always have to wait for the slow motion to process before you can shoot the next shot. And of course, only the FS7 allows you to shoot slow motion @ 60 fps in 4K.

As I mentioned I don't care about the 4K and I will be shooting mostly Full HD which means I can't do more than 240fps. But do you know how much time it needs to process the 8sec on 240fps mode ?

Arlen, an agonisingly long time! Can be several minutes depending on 50i or 60i set-up and HFR frame rate choosen.

Look at pages 58-60 in the FS5 handbook. Link posted in post #4 in this thread about HFR on FS5 for more details - quick PDF download:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdcam-pxw-fs7-fs5/531462-sony-fs5-continuous-shooting-120fps-1080p.html#post1911335

A graphic from my training video . . .

Guys i decided to go with FS7 with 28-135mm lens but I never worked with XQD cards before
Any idea what to buy if I want to shoot FULL HD multi frames, there are many series out there so I got little bit Confused. Thanks for everything

Definitely the new Sony G-series XQD cards. Lexar may have their 2933x series, but last I heard that was purposely made incompatible with the FS7 because firmware engineers were "lazy" or saw it as a threat to their own high speed XQD cards.

Guys i decided to go with FS7 with 28-135mm lens but I never worked with XQD cards before
Any idea what to buy if I want to shoot FULL HD multi frames, there are many series out there so I got little bit Confused. Thanks for everything

I saved myself a lot of money buying the -discontinued- Lexar 64 GB 1333x times cards. They work perfectly in all resolutions and framerates. Maybe you can still find them somewehere.

The Lexar 64GB 1400x are the new versions and work flawlessly as well. My only gripe is they're not as affordable as their predecessor and that they're not 128GB...

Just checked to see online and saw there's a 128GB XQD card from Lexar for only $159,- that far outspecs my Lexars but apparently do not work with the FS7. Strange?! (Sony protectionism or Lexar's bad..?) Anyway, I refuse to pay 400,- for a monopoly card.

For the price of 4 Sony 128GB cards you have an Atomos Shogun Flame... (insert a 500GB or 1TB SSD and you can shoot all day in 4K)

It also looks like some stores are trying to take advantage of these overpriced sony cards by raising the price on other brands, a Lexar XQD Pro 128GB 2933x card is 549euro in a Dutch store (Jeroen surely knows them as "fotokonijnenberg") and the exact same card is 215euro in another Dutch store. (art en craft), not sure if these don't work in the fs7 either?

Noa, these are the ones that are getting bad reviews on the B&H site for incompatibility issues with the FS7. But I noticed these ridiculous prices too. 555 euro's at Bol? They must be selling them like hotcakes!
(Isn't Art & Craft Belgian?)

Ah yes, they are, no wonder it's cheaper :)

I contacted Lexar to ask what the deal is with the card and they replied swiftly and with good news: the Lexar XQD PRO 128GB 2933X cards that sell for $159,- are compatible with the FS7- if you have updated to the latest firmware V 3.10

I didn't even know there was an update (Sony has my email address and I registered my FS7?? It's not a very significant one, by the way) but will gladly update to accomodate these new cards! Great news for FS7 shooters.

It would be nice if someone who has this card can confirm this compatibility.

"Hi Jeroen,

Thank you for contacting Lexar Support.

The Sony PXW-FS7 is compatible with the XQD 2933x Pro Card as long as you have updated your camera with firmware update V3.10.

Please contact your camera manufacturer for additional information regarding this compatibility.

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Thx Doug for you video, i just have one more question i hope ))) does the slow motion quality differ between them since the FS5 shoot in burst mode ?

I love the FS5, I actually use it far more often than my FS7 but the FS5 has a major issue with 240fps slow motion. specular highlights and high contrast you get weird purple blocks dancing around in your footage, I shoot sports so its almost always either in bright sun (specular highlights) or just super bright colorful uniforms (high contrast, like a red number on white jersey) so I get these in 99% of my slow motion. *** I never bothered to try 120fps to see if was better I just started using the FS7 or FS700 for slow-motion

I deleted most of the really bad ones these are actually the less noticeable samples.. and the indoor shot of the lock just to show it better

specular highlight issue with super slow motion - YouTube