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Andy Wilkinson December 3rd, 2015, 01:29 PM Dave, been so busy since my FS5 arrived I could not say with confidence. Some very quick/rushed stuff I have done suggests the Sony lens is worth the money....
But if you really want the FS5 to "sing" it looks like it will sure be capable of it with some nice, fast glass. I just don't have personal evidence yet to prove that statement.
Big decision for me, right now, is do sell my beloved PMW-300 workhorse to buy some of that lovely glass?
I would sure like other opinions on this aspect from those that might have the FS5 and some great glass. Great thing about the cam is the mount makes so many lens options possible.
Jody Arnott December 3rd, 2015, 02:36 PM Andy, how are you finding the Metabones adapter? No issues with the electronic communication? I'm thinking of buying the same one, although there's also a Commlite adapter for around $100 that is reviewed very well
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Commlite-Focus-EF-NEX-EF-EMOUNT-Adapter/dp/B00DW0EV2I
Andy Wilkinson December 3rd, 2015, 02:48 PM Not even had time to take it out of the box and put it on the cam yet!
If editing goes well tomorrow and I meet a critical film delivery deadline I am hoping to try it this weekend...Sunday maybe...definitely not Saturday - as me and a dozen mates, and no doubt a lot of alcohol, are going on a steam train to Lincoln :-)
Andy Wilkinson December 3rd, 2015, 03:11 PM Definitely worth a read...
The Sony FS5: A C100 shooter’s verdict (http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/12/02/the-sony-fs5-a-c100-shooters-verdict/)
Andy Wilkinson December 3rd, 2015, 10:26 PM Found this interesting information in the X70 firmware thread! Just in case any new FS5 owners might miss it thought it worth posting here too!
Spent a day with the FS5 today and would go as far as to say it's like a big X70 but with colorimetry almost identical to the FS700, far more so than the A7S models we have worked on. In fact side by side the FS700 and FS5 were very hard to tell apart.
After running the FS5 up on the charts and scopes we ended up getting the best "in camera look" out of PP4 with the knee set to 85 and the slope to -3. This gave us the best looking highlight roll off. If you don't push peak white exposures above 90IRE it will look quite natural on the way up to just over 102IRE. Much prefer the manual knee adjustment because if you watch the behaviour of the auto knee in rapidly changing lighting conditions such as stage strobe or rapid pulse lighting you can actually observe the auto knee pumping trying to compensate and keep up.
Also dropped the color depth on red to +3 (the adjustment is counter intuitive.) Then finally adjusted color phase to -3. These last two adjustments are totally subjective but for my eyes tone down the rather reddish magenta hues in skin tones that some of the Sony cameras tend to exhibit.
One observation a couple of us made was that the center crop mode is a definitely a little noisier and softer. Overall though quite impressed with the package so far.
Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney
Link to the source thread here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-pxw-x70-fdr-ax100/530503-pxw-x70-firmware-v3-0-early-next-year.html#post1904469
Jody Arnott December 3rd, 2015, 11:56 PM My FS5 arrived this morning! So I've spent the day playing with it. Very impressed in general, with a few minor concerns. Manual focus on the kit lens is very difficult to get used to, but I think I will be able to work with it.
The next step for me is to find a workable picture profile. The standard profiles all seem to roll off the highlights extremely harshly (except for the log profiles that require grading). It's something I've noticed with other Sony cameras too. So I'm going to do a bit of reading - ideally I want a profile like the Wide DR profile on the Canon C100. Something that is usable straight out of camera, with good dynamic range, nice highlight roll off, flat enough to grade, etc.
On another note, I wish the camera had a waveform monitor. I find them much easier to read at a glance compared to the histogram.
I'll be using the camera a lot over the next few days - so if anyone has any questions, ask away.
Dave Mercer December 4th, 2015, 10:21 AM Mike Watson - did you receive the Wasabi batteries? If so, how do they work?
Thanks!
Mike Watson December 4th, 2015, 04:47 PM Took the words out of my mouth, Dave. They arrived an hour ago, I charged them up, they work fine.
Amazon.com : Wasabi Power Battery for Sony BP-U60 and Sony PMW-100, PMW-150, PMW-160, PMW-200, PMW-300, PMW-EX1, PMW-EX1R, PMW-EX3, PMW-EX160, PMW-EX260, PMW-EX280, PMW-F3 : Camcorder Batteries : Camera & Photo (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CSABW1G)
Andy Wilkinson December 5th, 2015, 04:40 PM Some very impressive run-n-gun, low light footage of the demonstrations in London this week.
Sony FS5 tested at anti-war protests: real world, low light, broadcast quality results (http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/12/05/sony-fs5-tested-at-anti-war-protests-real-world-low-light-broadcast-quality-results/#comments)
Jeroen Wolf December 6th, 2015, 09:48 AM Definite barrel distortion and softening with Center Scan on, albeit at high ISO's.
Does anyone hear fan-noise like I do? And not because it's running hot. You won't hear it under most (busy) shooting conditions but I have taken this baby to bed a few times to read the manual and push some buttons and I could hear a very distinct fanning noise. Something that would be picked up by an on-camera mic...
Andy Wilkinson December 6th, 2015, 10:27 AM Yes mine has fan noise - but it's very quiet, barely audible. You really have to put your ear next to the camera to hear it, at least on mine.
On another point, one which I brought up at the beginning of this thread, I read somewhere on one of the forums of others mentioning the slight play in the side grip, even when locked. So it seems this is a Sony "feature" ;-)
Jody Arnott December 6th, 2015, 07:58 PM Mine has fan noise but barely audible. I very much doubt the internal mic would pick it up, but I will do a few tests.
I've also got a bit of play in the hand grip, but it doesn't bother me too much. My C100 had some also, so maybe I'm just used to it.
Jody Arnott December 8th, 2015, 08:53 PM Well after shooting with the FS5 for two full days in a row, I must say I absolutely love it. I'm even getting used to the sluggish manual focus. A few random things I've noticed:
- Auto focus seems to be very good. I've never used auto focus before, but I found myself using the "push AF" button quite often. It's not super fast but it's very smooth, and I even used it a few times to rack focus (manually focus on foreground subject and then AF to background - it's generally much smoother than using manual focus on the stock lens).
- OIS is good on the stock lens. I used it handheld a few times and was happy with the result. I would never have done this with my C100.
- In terms of picture profiles; Cine1 (PP5) seems to be very good for outdoor/bright daylight shooting (it does a good job of preserving the highlights, and even blown out highlights look natural). I also modified PP6 to use cine4 gamma, which seems good for low light (more detail in the shadows). The cine profiles seem to have a lot more dynamic range than profiles with the REC709 curve, without the need for intensive grading like you would with SLOG.
(Alister Chapman's 2.5 hour FS5 seminar was a Godsend for figuring out the picture profiles and how to work with the gamma curves).
- I love the variable ND filter. It is incredibly smooth and can even be used when recording to change exposure. When shooting in good light I have been at f4 most of the time and use the ND filter to expose.
- The picture seems to be relatively noise free up to about 3200 ISO. I personally didn't need to go above 2500, even indoors with no additional lighting.
- There's a hidden button behind the hand grip. It's really handy to assign peaking to it.
That's all for now. I'll probably think of more later.
Jeroen Wolf December 9th, 2015, 03:46 AM Hi Jody,
Good to hear you enjoy it so much.
I shot some stuff for a doc yesterday and found myself struggling to find a proper way to shoot from the shoulder. I used a slightly modified shoulder rig I had for my GH4 but it was not well-balanced. Very (front) heavy with the Sigma 18-35, external mic and wireless receiver. I thought I could shoot handheld for docs but holding it at shoulder height for extended periods with the above mentioned setup is impossible. I ordered one of those belt-fit support rods and will keep a close watch on shouldermount solutions for the FS5.
I shot an indoor scene through the viewfinder and with focus peaking the focus was sometimes not quite on, most likely because the background was only a few meters away. Probably better to turn it off in small spaces following people around.
I used Cine4 for this scene and am anxious to make the footage shine in FCP X. What have you done to your footage in your NLE?
Contrary to your experience I'm not too impressed with the autofocus on the kitlens. It was worthless when shooting puppies walking towards the camera. Even though they filled most part of the frame or where right in the middle, the lens focused on the background. I've had better results shooting football players from a much larger distance. Autofocus does not like close, moving subjects? Maybe I should have used the 'push auto' button more often...
One annoying thing: when using the VF on a rig (without the eyecup, which I find too flimsy. You press against it and it blocks part of the view) my headphone cable protruded into my chin, almost preventing me from pressing my eye fully against the VF.
I'm very curious to hear (and perhaps see) what you shot and how you postproduced it.
Jody Arnott December 9th, 2015, 05:04 AM Hi Jeroen,
Interesting comments.
I'm very happy with how the image looks using PP5 (cine1). I spent the day in a manufacturing plant shooting machinery and factory workers, so a relatively dim environment with a lot of harsh highlights to deal with (windows, lights, etc). I'm happy with how it looks straight now of the camera. I don't think I'll need to do much grading (probably just play with the levels, add some saturation, add some sharpening) but nothing unlike what I've done with my C100 for the last couple of years.
I'll find a nice shot tomorrow and make a short before/after grading clip if you're interested. Grading isn't my strong point but I'll do my best. I'm also interested to see how others deal with it too.
And yes, I've noticed the same issue with the eye cup blocking out part of the VF. A slightly smaller eye cup would have been good. However the VF is SO much more usable that the one on my C100, so I'm happy.
Jeroen Wolf December 9th, 2015, 07:55 AM Yes, I would like seeing what you shot, Jody. Did you only shoot with the stock lens?
Jody Arnott December 9th, 2015, 02:07 PM Yes stock lens only, I'm waiting for my EF adapter to arrive.
Docea Marius December 9th, 2015, 10:33 PM Hallo
which is the maximum ISO that have a decent image on FS5,i have Sony A7S this camera is very good and 32000 iso..
I saw a C100 test against Mark II,Canon colors are wonderful..autofocus is perfect,even ISO is ok..
thanks
Jon Nash December 11th, 2015, 11:00 AM My FS5 arrived this morning! So I've spent the day playing with it. Very impressed in general, with a few minor concerns. Manual focus on the kit lens is very difficult to get used to, but I think I will be able to work with it.
The next step for me is to find a workable picture profile. The standard profiles all seem to roll off the highlights extremely harshly (except for the log profiles that require grading). It's something I've noticed with other Sony cameras too. So I'm going to do a bit of reading - ideally I want a profile like the Wide DR profile on the Canon C100. Something that is usable straight out of camera, with good dynamic range, nice highlight roll off, flat enough to grade, etc.
On another note, I wish the camera had a waveform monitor. I find them much easier to read at a glance compared to the histogram.
I'll be using the camera a lot over the next few days - so if anyone has any questions, ask away.
+ 1 here . Im not the greatest with post and grading so Im looking for a nice all round profile for out of the box situations. Does any one else have any PP settings that would like to share :-)
Paul Chiappini December 11th, 2015, 04:14 PM You may find this useful:
Sony FS5 - Picture Profiles - YouTube
Andy Wilkinson December 12th, 2015, 02:33 AM This one compares FS5 and C100MkII.
FS5 vs C100II on Vimeo
Jim Stamos December 12th, 2015, 03:25 AM I shot 2 gigs today.1 xavcl 50mb 30p
The other 4k 100mb 30p
PP4
Ive been shooting with an ex1r for years and it's served me very well.
But the technology has improved drastically. This camera shines on all fronts.Picked it up from my vendor
today for my testrun.It was a breeze to set up.As always I shot all manual.
Surprisingly,the stock lens worked very well.Focus was easy to lock,the zoom was very good,being able to a very good slow one,no issue at all. The LCD was xtremely sharp.I only wish I could use my hoodman loupe
on it but the LCD design prevents that.
Oddly when I went hdmi to my ikan in hd,the picture was dark,this after having my ex1 connected with a perfect image.it should b the same....?
When I was shooting 4k, with cards in relay mode,with 3 minutes left on card a, the card icon A appeared and started blinked,even after recording began on card b,and when I stopped recording it kept blinking.
I have 1 more shoot tomorrow.
I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on the x70.
I will b making the plunge on this jewel.
Steve Rosen December 13th, 2015, 11:38 AM I had preordered this camera, but cancelled because I needed UHD for a documentary before it was available. I bought a JVC LS300 and set it up for my shoot (since I have a bunch of MFT lenses for my Pocket Cams), and after some minor problems was very impressed with the results - it's a much better camera than I thought it would be... Far superior to my C100 in 1080p and probably at least as good as the Sony in 4K (the specs are actually better).
However, I am still considering the FS5, mainly because I'm nervous about the construction quality of the JVC - it's a little flimsy feeling and I work handheld, fast, without an AC... I can't complain though, because it's already paid for itself on the two jobs I've shot, and it'll always be a good BU.
I gave my C100 to a student intern, but kept the 24-105 and 17-55. My question is - does the EF- E Metabones adapter work reliably with the FS5? I bought an EF-MFT for the JVC and it is very flaky (iris control freezes), and I've had terrible customer service from Metabones (I'm stuck with it because it was 30 days past B&H's return policy before I discovered the problem).
Before I ever buy another Metabones product I want to be sure it's reputable - and if I go for the FS5 I want to use my Canon lenses.
I forgot to ask - several here also have/had C100s. Do the two zooms I mentioned "act" parfocal with the adapter on the FS5 the way they do natively on the C100 (and on the Pocket Cams with Speedbooster)?
Jeroen Wolf December 13th, 2015, 01:32 PM I have the Speedbooster and a CommLite EF - E-mount. Save yourself some money and get the CommLite for 80 bucks. Very solid with my 24-105 and 70-200.
Steve Rosen December 13th, 2015, 01:37 PM Haven't heard of the CommLite EF - E-mount, I'll check it out...
Andy Wilkinson December 14th, 2015, 02:45 PM I am reading reports of some people having "iris not working" issues with Canon lenses and Metabones MkIV adapter, even when using latest Metabone's firmware version...I have all the necessary parts in my bag, i.e. FS5, MB MkIV adapter and a few Canon lenses and will look into this asap.
Same MB version etc. seems to work fine on FS7.
(Frustratingly, not had time to even look at/take my FS5 kit out of my bag for nearly two weeks (!!!!) but will try and investigate this later this week - once I have hit some challenging edit deadlines for a big client).
Jim Stamos December 14th, 2015, 03:59 PM Hoodman looking into a modified loupe for the LCD on this camera. had a long talk with Bob and xplained that this lcd has a cable going into the bottom of it.
I use on my EX cam and its a must for me, makes focussing so much easier.
Ray Lee December 14th, 2015, 04:59 PM Jim that is great news, I will pre order if I can
Jody Arnott December 14th, 2015, 05:29 PM I'm actually very pleased with the usability of the VF. I haven't had any issues focusing with it. A loupe would be nice but I personally don't see it as essential.
Ray Lee December 14th, 2015, 05:43 PM I'm actually very pleased with the usability of the VF. I haven't had any issues focusing with it. A loupe would be nice but I personally don't see it as essential.
I shoot a good deal or sports and other outdoor activities and the LCD is often useless depending the the brightness and angle of sun. also toying with the idea of moving the grip forward and tossing it on my shoulder from time to time
Jim Stamos December 15th, 2015, 12:19 AM I'm probably gonna get this, will still use my ex but this cam is special,I loved everything about it
If you haven't used the loupe,you'll love it,very sharp,easy to focus diopter
Mike Watson December 15th, 2015, 09:48 AM I'm actually very pleased with the usability of the VF. I haven't had any issues focusing with it. A loupe would be nice but I personally don't see it as essential.
I agree with this. It's small, but the diopter works well for my eyes, and I can get a crisp focus.
Jim Stamos December 15th, 2015, 10:53 AM Mike have u gotten the camera yet? what cam were u using?
Jeroen Wolf December 16th, 2015, 02:53 AM Interesting that I never heard anyone ever mention that by using the variable ND you use 2 stops of light. Alister said it is great if you move from outside to inside or vice versa you can maintain the same f-stop but he didn't mention you need to up your ISO. (and in some cases that won't be enough) So this is not a replacement for iris-control, as was suggested.
You also need a lot of light to shoot 200 FPS noise free.
For longer periods of handheld work, I found I really need a shoulder solution and loupe when shooting with the camera fully decked out with the SpeedBooster+Canon 24-105, external mic, wireless receiver and BP-U60. It becomes a heavy little package.
Yesterday I mounted my FS5 on a Zacuto shoulderplate with a wooden handle on the right and an Albatros monitor. It was a setup for use with the FS700. (see attachment)
For the FS5, we could do away with the monitor and use a proper loupe. And replace the wooden handle by mounting the handgrip forward on the rods.
I really liked the compact factor and balance. And with the FS5 handgrip replacing the wooden handgrip, this could be a great package.
I just wonder how the LCD screen would stand up under the strain of a loupe pressed against your eye.
Jody Arnott December 16th, 2015, 03:19 AM I've been using the variable ND a lot. I've been shooting over the past few days in a big farming equipment manufacturing plant. Not dimly lit by any means, but also not a bright outdoor setting. At 1000 ISO and f4.0, I haven't needed to remove the ND filter yet. I've been exposing primarily using the ND. Extremely handy being able to expose while maintaining the same depth of field.
Jeroen Wolf December 16th, 2015, 03:34 AM Jody, what PP do you use?
Jody Arnott December 16th, 2015, 04:51 AM Jody, what PP do you use?
So far I've been sticking to PP5 (Cine1 gamma) and I'm happy with it. It handles highlights very well, which was my main concern when testing out the REC709 profiles. It requires some grading but just a few tweaks to contrast and colour, nothing like SLOG.
Jeroen Wolf December 16th, 2015, 08:19 AM Did you tweak the PP5 settings or use it 'as is'?
Steve Rosen December 16th, 2015, 10:50 AM Jeroen: You've said that you're using EF lenses - I assume with the CommLite EF - E-mount Adapter you mentioned.
I have the 24-105 and 17-55. I've tried them on the JVC LS300, and the Metabones "smart" (quotes are mine) adapter I bought seems to lose contact, so I lose iris control. I have to shut down, remove and remount the lens. And Metabones has not been a great resource for customer support.
Have you ever had that problem with the CommLite on the FS5? Or has anyone else with the Metabones or Speedbooster?
Also, I've looked at some comparisons and the CommLite seems to exhibit considerable flare compared to the Metabones - true or false? I dislike adapters, and that's the one thing keeping me from springing for the FS5.
Jeroen Wolf December 16th, 2015, 11:11 AM I have not had any issues either with the CommLite or Metabones SB. I have not used the 70-200 f4 with the Metabones but the 24-105 works fine with both adapters.
Mine is a brand new Metabones Speedbooster, by the way. I have read of problems with the (older) Speedbooster and the FS7.
(Interesting comment on the flare issue- it may explain a phenomenon during a shoot a week ago. I'm going to have to look into that.)
Paul Chiappini December 16th, 2015, 02:51 PM Is there a specific model Commlite adapter for the FS5 (Canon EF/EF-S lenses) that I should get or is there just one version?
BTW, there are a number of online tips on fixing the flare issue. Here's one on a Metabones but the Commlite tutorials were about the same:
http://dennisharding.com.au/prevent-flare-in-canon-ef-adapter
Mike Watson December 17th, 2015, 12:12 AM The camera is set up such that the viewfinder is only on when your eye is up against it. When your eye isn't up against it, the viewfinder turns off and the LCD pop out turns on. This is a decent idea for a feature (er, "feature"), but for the fact that the f'ing thing turns on and off everytime you pass a shadow over the viewfinder, turning the LCD monitor off.
The only way I have found to fix this is to go into the menu and turn the viewfinder off entirely, but I'd like to still use it from time to time, and diving into the menu each shot doesn't seem realistic.
How is everyone else handling this?
Jody Arnott December 17th, 2015, 04:13 AM I can only see two options:
1. Use the automatic eye sensor so the VF turns on and the LCD turns off automatically
2. Set it to manual so the VF only turns on when the switch on the top of the LCD screen turns off
I'm personally using the auto method, although it is annoying when you move in front of the VF's eye sensor and turn it on by mistake.
Jody Arnott December 17th, 2015, 04:15 AM Is there a specific model Commlite adapter for the FS5 (Canon EF/EF-S lenses) that I should get or is there just one version?
BTW, there are a number of online tips on fixing the flare issue. Here's one on a Metabones but the Commlite tutorials were about the same:
Dennis Harding Tasmanian Photography | How to prevent flare in a METABONES Canon EF adapter (mark 111) (http://dennisharding.com.au/prevent-flare-in-canon-ef-adapter)
This is the one I got:
http://www.amazon.com/Auto-Focus-Mount-Adapter-EF-NEX-Canon/dp/B00DW0EV2I
I believe it's the only version (that I can see).
Initial thoughts are it's very well built (it actually has a much better fit than the last Metabones adapter that I had).
AF is mostly unusable, auto iris doesn't work, and I can't get image stabilisation working on my Canon 17-55 f2.8. I'll do a few more tests with my other lenses tomorrow.
It cost me less than $100 though so I'm happy. Even if it doesn't last, I can buy at least 6 of these for the same price as a Metabones adapter.
Jeroen Wolf December 17th, 2015, 10:29 AM The camera is set up such that the viewfinder is only on when your eye is up against it. When your eye isn't up against it, the viewfinder turns off and the LCD pop out turns on. This is a decent idea for a feature (er, "feature"), but for the fact that the f'ing thing turns on and off everytime you pass a shadow over the viewfinder, turning the LCD monitor off.
The only way I have found to fix this is to go into the menu and turn the viewfinder off entirely, but I'd like to still use it from time to time, and diving into the menu each shot doesn't seem realistic.
How is everyone else handling this?
I find it easiest to turn Auto Off and just turn the LCD on and off to switch between LCD and VF. Just a switch on top of the LCD screen to deal with :-)
Andy Wilkinson December 18th, 2015, 07:26 AM Ok so I FINALLY found a little time to try my Canon lenses on the FS5 with the Metabones IV adapter (MB-EF-E-BT4), directly linked below:
Metabones® (http://www.metabones.com/products/details/MB-EF-E-BT4)
The fit is good and tight/no more play than when these lenses are on my C100.
Lenses tried were:
Canon 10-22mm F3.5 EF-S (nice and light on the FS5 - this is going to work great with my Letus Helix Jr!)
Canon 17-55mm F2.8 IS EF-S (bit front heavy but this is my main lens on my C100)
Canon 70-200mm F4 IS EF (front heavy as expected)
Above lens with Canon EF 1.4x MkII Extender (what the hell, whilst I was in testing mood)
Canon 100mm F2.8 Macro HIS EF (again, front heavy).
On all of them, I can adjust Iris (albeit in a very step-wise fashion) or, what I'm more likely to do when outside etc., set the Iris and ISO where I want it for DOF control (e.g. using the Direct menu for speed) and then simply adjust exposure to fine tune via the Variable ND (very, very smoothly) using the little thumbwheel. It's not 100% perfect but it all seems usable.
I am only getting manual focus on all these lenses - but that's OK as that's how I shoot 99% of the time.
So whilst not ecstatic, I'm basically happy - as although the super light Sony 18-104mm G kit lens offers some additional features (autofocus, power zoom etc.) those are not essentials in my style of shooting. And I have this lens for if and when I want that.
BTW, if you push Auto Iris or Auto Focus in Green Mode you get an error message "Cannot execute functions because of the condition of the lens".
Explanation of what Green and Advanced modes are directly linked below.
Metabones® (http://www.metabones.com/article/of/smart-adapter-operation-manual/147-green-power-save-mode)
I've tried the Advanced mode a couple of times (using the mounting instructions above) but it does not seem to make any difference at all, not sure why! OK, worked it out, Cam power needs to be ON, doh!
UPDATE: In Advanced mode I have now worked out that Push Auto Iris works. Push Autofocus still gives the error message. This is with the Canon 17-55mm F2.8 IS and the Canon 70-200 F4 IS. You also now get a zoom position indicator - will test the other lenses and update further if it is any different with them.
UPDATE II: Advanced mode does not seem to work with the Canon 10-22mm F3.5 at all - just becomes unresponsive/impossible to set Iris (no F stop shows on LCD).
How are others getting on with their Metabones adapters and Canon glass on the FS5?
Steve Rosen December 18th, 2015, 09:47 AM Andy: Thanks for that comprehensive coverage of using various Canon lenses with the Metabones adapter. I have had similar - actually worse - experiences using the Metabones EF-MFT adapter on the LS300...
I've rarely used auto-anything in the past, but with old eyes when shooting 4K, it's sometimes absolutely necessary. However, my major complaint with the Metabones on the JVC is that it after a few minutes it loses it's ability to manually change aperture, which involves shutting down and remounting- and forget OIS. And customer support rivals the DMV (that's the infamous Departmeint of Motor Vehicles over here).
The Metabones is an adapter with no optics that costs $400. I have no doubt that the electronics involved are complex, but for $400 I just got my nephew a pretty complex consumer camcorder at Best Buy that works as advertised... And my young AC a pretty amazing 50" LG TV at Costco - $400 should assure a certain level of reliability.
For several years on these forums I've read many people praising the Metabones "Smart" adapters... Has the quality dropped, or is something else going on?
To be fair, I do have a two year old Metabones Pocket Camera specific Speedbooster that works pretty well. That was a $700 purchase, and except for an occasional inability to talk to the camera, it usually does what it is supposed to do... But even it isn't 100% reliable. Isn't this supposed to be a professional product?
Andy Wilkinson December 18th, 2015, 10:43 AM Reliance on adapters was one reason I steered shy of the FS7 when it launched...since I have Canon glass. Other reasons were size/weight (especially for one man band, low profile gimbal/steadicam work), slow menus/bugs and to a lesser degree cost. Plus, I had only just bought my PMW-300 a short period before and together with my C100 my needs were more than covered.
But I have become accustomed to reading posts from well respected professionals using the FS7 with Metabones adapters that indicated things could work pretty well - so when the FS5 was announced I took the plunge and ordered the cam and the MB adapter.
My guess is that, as things stand at the moment, unless Metabones issues a significant firmware update then FS5 owners might as well save themselves a load of cash and just buy the much cheaper Commlite adapter, which apart from a susceptibility to internal flare will offer the same (or at least similar) functionality? Correct?
I'm no expert on these "smart" adapters - never used one until today! This is more of a clarification question to help others...so is that right?
Steve Rosen December 18th, 2015, 11:45 AM Andy - I went through the whole AF100 thing and adapted a bunch of Leica and Canon FD lenses using dumb adapters.. I bought Novoflexes for the Leicas, but got cheapos for the FDs. Even the cheap ones focused accurately to infinity, although the mounts were looser (1/4" black gaffers tape saves the day).
The Metabones Speedbooster was my first foray into the world of smart. As I said, it's great when it works properly. But I get nervous on an important shoot when I can't totally rely on something, so I don't use it much on my Pocket Cameras, and depend on the Nokton or Rokinons when I need speed and the Olympus 12-40 when I need a zoom. And I was drawn to the LS300 because I had all these lenses. But I also have EFs.
Hopefull Metabones will improve these adapters for use on these cameras (or maybe it's something to do with an esoteric design difference in the FS5 and LS300?). Hopefully firmware will work.
Dave Mercer December 18th, 2015, 09:37 PM I've been debating buying the FS5 as a kit or body only and then buying the metabones speed booster and using it with my 24-105 L.
Unfortunately there are no FS5 demos where I am on holiday over the coming weeks to try out with either the kit lens or the speed booster / Canon combo.
I head back to central america early Jan so don't have too much time to play with the options.
Got to say, some of the glitches with the metabones makes me a bit worried. Especially as I wouldn't have a back up in the field. I travel around to some reasonably remote places in Latin America and the Caribbean and am thinking the kit lens might be the safest option. I'd hate to be on a 7 day documentary shoot in say haiti and not be able to work.
Open to all advice.
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