They only mention the XL1, and not the GL1... What are you using Grazie?

XM2 [PAL] - Grazie

I was wondering if anyone knew of a company that mande UV, soft, or anyother type of lense filters that would fit on my canon wide angle lense....

thanks!

Matte box is the only way I know of getting a filter "in front" of the BIG end. If you want to screw filters at the "THIN" end then you can ONLY deal with non-Grad OR NON-Pola filters. I've used UV and SKYlight 58mm on the thin end. However, using screw filters are a massive pain in the bottom.

Once you are using a matte box then the World's Your Lobster! I use a Kestrel Matte Box and Formatt filters - and this on a XM2 - works a treat!

Grazie

Hi Grazie,

Out of interest, why do you say you can't put a polariser before the wide angle? Fully accepted it's a pain but I have used a cheap Tiffen filter between the wide angle and the camera and haven't noticed any issues at any focal length.

Actually, having said that, the one thing I have noticed is that the W/A is ever so slightly lose fitting when it's attached to the Tiffen.

Still up for that beer one day???!!!

Cheers.

Ian . . .

How do you twist it? Them pola that is?

Drink! Anytime PAL!

Grazie

It just, well, twists! (along with the w/a of course.)

It doesn't affect the polariser action at all (although, as I mentioned before, I think the extra weight of the w/a on the filter does make the rotating disc a bit loose).

Regarding a wee drinky, I'm in a Variety Club charity show at the moment so very tied up. Let's do what we agreed last year - let me get back to you when I'm a bit freer! Which of course means we'll be having this conversation again in 6 months!!

Cheers.

Ian . . .

BTW, if ever you are down in the New Forest over a weekend, be sure to visit the Saturday market at Lymington. I just picked up 2 Hakuba metal cam cases with original uncut foam for a fiver each. There is a stall there which deals only in photographic equipment and they have loads of lenses, filters, cases etc etc. All used, much garbage, but the odd gem.

I held my GL-2 out the window of a car to get really low car shots and got a couple tiny, very tiny, chips in the lense. whats th ebst way to get these repaired or in the futuree protect my wide angle lense.

In the future, try an inexpensive (at least compared to replacing the cameras lens) UV filter over the lens. Be careful, it sounds dangerous.

Just a thought about filters behind the wide angle. I know on my GL-2, if I put a filter behind the wide angle, I experience vignetting.

i want one so it protects the wide angle. i guess i would need a bayonet type.

any one know what mm the canon wide angle is or a copmany that makes one?

What a good wide angle, cost effective lens for the GL2?

The Canon WD58 is probably the best bet, and not too expensive. Don't make the mistake of buying a cheapo no name off of ebay. You'll regret it.

One of my cameras has the WD58 screwed to it - all the time! Love it!

When you are well zoomed out - WA - be careful of the bending lamposts on archtectural shots - oh yes it'll do it. If I really need "that" shot then I either move camera OR zoom in a bit OR combination of both . . whatever you need. But do take note at the edges of a shot of vertical lines - eg lamposts - and other "impotant" reference points. Unless you do WANT bendy lamposts - of course. ;-)

Grazie

The Canon WD-58 or one made by Century Optics. Canon's is by far the less expensive. I've seen rave reviews from owners of several different brands of cameras with lenses using 58mm dia filter threads. I have always had one on my GL1. It approximates the angle of view one would get with a 28mm lens on a full frame 35mm film camera. That will cause some noticable image distortion of vertical lines. It is a fact of optics.

I just got the Century reversible .55X wide adapter.

On the fisheye side, I'm seeing severe vignetting on the left part of the image; no problem on the right side. Is this normal? Seems odd that the vignetting is not symmetric.

Works OK on the wide angle side.

John, what's your experience with this (DS-55WA-58) adapter? I recently got that and am seeing:

(1) Severe vignetting on the fish eye side
(2) Mild chromatic aberration on the wide angle side

Wanted to compare notes...

Hey Sekhar,

Yeah I get the severe vignetting with the fish eye as well. I pretty much never use it. I just thought it would be neat to be able to occasionally use it as a fisheye, but I was dissappointed with the amount of vignetting.

I also noticed some chromatic aberration on the wide angle side when I was shooting very bright/high contrast images. I didn't really notice it until you pointed it out and I checked out some of my footage, but yeah, it seems to be there on my camera as well.

The barrel distortion bothers me a lot more than the aberration, which is why I've considered buying the canon WD-58


John, what's your experience with this (DS-55WA-58) adapter? I recently got that and am seeing:

(1) Severe vignetting on the fish eye side
(2) Mild chromatic aberration on the wide angle side

Wanted to compare notes...

The surprising thing is nobody (and no review) talked about these problems...I did a lot of Google searching before I bought. May be the lens is still better than other .55x adapters at that price.

Anyway, you can get rid of the barrel distortion completely with After Effects Pro. There is an "Optics Compensation" effect (only in Pro) that works great. 50 degrees seems to work fine with this lens. Using "Optimal Pixels" and then zooming in a bit salvages a bit more of the frame.

If you don't have AE Pro, check out the "Lens Distortion" effect in Premiere Pro. I didn't try it, but may be it's as good, since that's from Adobe too. See http://www.ferrario.com/ruether/perspective-correction.htm for a tutorial.

Can anyone tell me the overall length of the canon xm2/gl2 when the wide angle (WD-58/H) is attached? I ask because I'm looking for one that can be attached while the camera is in an underwater housing, but as the housing is built to the camera specs if it's too big I won't get the door shut!

With or without shade? With or without battery? What Size battery will also increae/decrease length.

Grazie

I do have AE Pro. Thanks for the advice, I was unaware of that feature. I'll have to give it a shot.

The surprising thing is nobody (and no review) talked about these problems...I did a lot of Google searching before I bought. May be the lens is still better than other .55x adapters at that price.

Anyway, you can get rid of the barrel distortion completely with After Effects Pro. There is an "Optics Compensation" effect (only in Pro) that works great. 50 degrees seems to work fine with this lens. Using "Optimal Pixels" and then zooming in a bit salvages a bit more of the frame.

If you don't have AE Pro, check out the "Lens Distortion" effect in Premiere Pro. I didn't try it, but may be it's as good, since that's from Adobe too. See http://www.ferrario.com/ruether/perspective-correction.htm for a tutorial.

HAH! Excellent option! I know Vegas has a "Distort" Fx . . I'll go find this one . . THANKS Sekhar . .thank you for the hint . . .hooooo...!!!


Grazie

I think you can hardly go wrong for the price but I'm just curious as to how it stands up when compared next to other commercial WA lenses for the GL2... I know Neil Slade says it's great but it's his baby so I don't expect less... I'm looking for "independant" reviews of his DIY WA. Has ANYONE built this thing? I can't find anything via searches on here (other than Neil Slade ;) )

I think for $40 bucks even if it's got artifacts it might be useful at times, such as skate videos where any extra bulk is going to be bothersome as I try to skate along with the skaters and shoot the footage.

Any thoughts?

Kevin,

Maybe I'm living in the dark, but I'm not familiar with this home made wide angle solution that you referer to. Please let me know where I can find info about it.

Thank you.

Guess it would have made more sense if I would have posted a link ;)

http://www.neilslade.com/lens.html

I actually bought his GL2 with his own wide angle lens. It has too much distortion in it for my tastes. I just wound up buying canon's WD58 or whatever the real deal one is called.

Peace, Rolland

So it may serve well as a skate lense.

Glad someone actually has some experience to say something about both ;)

Yeah, DIY stuff is cool for support equipment but it tends to err when it comes to lenses IMO. I too would recommend the WD58H or even a cheapy eBay one if you're that desperate for a WA lens. =)

Sorry, it looks like the search function is not working on this board.

I'm wanting to add a wide angle to my GL2. I know the WD-58 is a screw mounted lens, and that it works well, and reports that you have complete zoom range without distortion. The B&H description says that it includes a hood, but I have never seen one. Is it similar to the one that comes with the GL-2 except that it attaches to the OD of the WD-58?

I'm looking also at the Tokina .65 lens with a bayonet mount. I think that the bayonet mount means that it will fit where my existing lens hood is and twist on in a similar manner. It is a little wider angle, so does any one know if it vignettes at the edges? I got a .5 lens in the kit when purchased and that is useless.

I'm attracted to the bayonet mount idea because of the rapid conversion aspect of this system, though I have never used one. Any one know if the lens positioning is accurate?

Thanks in advance, Gene.

"The B&H description says that it includes a hood, . . . Is it similar to the one that comes with the GL-2" - no, it is bigger and has what I call the "tulip" configuration - longer top and bottom and shorter sides - clever. Whatever happens you need it!

" . . except that it attaches to the OD of the WD-58?" Yes. It has a static claw "grip" on one side, and a screw "clamp" on the other.

"I'm looking also at the Tokina .65 lens with a bayonet mount. " Never heard of it.

Yup, a bayonet system is good. But then again, how often are you thinking of changing the adapter? Seriously? I maybe wrong, but I leave my "wide" on all the time. Yeah, at times I get some "bent" lamp-posts RIGHT at the periphery AND it does take out some light .. but I mostly leave it on. Up to you really. The thing for me is not to get too hung up on the kit too much - oh yes I've done that! we all have - the thing is to get out there and shoot, shoot, shoot!

Canon WD58H . . oh yeah the "H" means "hood" . . works for me!

Grazie

Grazie

Thanks Grazie, I suppose you are right in that I use two cameras and settting one up for wide and leaving it that way will be best.

I saw the Tokina on e-bay but couldn't find it anywhere elde on the web, so it probably has little regard from anyone other than the seller.

And B&H is very reliable vendor with quality products. Price for Canon vs. Tokina is very comparable too. (B&H does offer a range of lenses by Tokina, just not this .65 model.)

Merry Christmas

Gene

Hi all,

I've done a search on this topic and seen a few options but Im trying to keep the cost of adding this filter to a minimum so matte boxes and expensive sun shades are out of the question.

I have also seen that some people are placing the filter between the lens and the camera, I prefer not to use this option, I am actually using this lens on a Sony VX2100 and feel this would put a lot of strain on the filter threads.

Has anybody tried to mount the filter onto the little holder where the lens cap slips onto the Canon hood?

Otherwise is there a cheap aftermarket hood available that has filter threads for filters?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Joel, I agonized for at least 18 months on how to do this in a cheap way. After much MUCH research I decided to try and "hunt" down a Matte box "offer". I found one. Sorry, not a repeatable offer. But now I have it, with a bellows shade, I can honestly say it is remarkable.

El Cheapo solution? Think plastic bottles. Think plastic containers. Think plastic bottle/containers with BIG shoulders and necks. Think Duck tape, and then, ultimately lovely matte black paint. At the end of the day, you ARE gonna need something in front of that massive plano glass to shade it from glare striking that BIG lump of filter glass. I betcha can work out how to do this with Duck tape and discarded plastic - from the sides of the same plastic container? Could look neat too!?!

When finished I challenge you to post it so we can all marvel at your creative abilities. Bottom line, if it works - it works!

Grazie

Thanks for your reply Graham,

There is a good chance I will only ever need to use one filter so Im not going to spend the money on a matte box. I already have the Canon hood that comes with this lense so there is no need to make one out of a plastic bottle.

Im going to measure that lip where the lense cap slips on tonight and see if there are any filters available in that size, I will let you know how I get on.

cheers

Joel.

I use a Series 9 Schneider Tru Polarizer that I managed to get new for an astonishing $25. They are normally $171, so deals are out there. I use a Century Optics Series 9 sunshade that is unfortunately no longer made. I've seen them used pretty cheap on eBay though. I actually got this sunshade free when I bought another lens. My filter is the linear version, and is somewhat difficult to rotate, but it can be done. The rotating version is -- cough -- $285.

I'm considering purchasing a wide angle lens from ebay for my GL2. I got one previously, but the vignetting was so bad I had to zoom in to the point where I had a smaller angle of view than without it. I returned that and decided I'd learn more about wide angle lenses before trying again. I'm finding myself really needing one now and I'd like to get some advice. As much as possible, really. :)

What should I know about getting a wide angle lens to get good results? What sort of things affect what I'm going to get?

I've noticed some (even with the same rating) have deeper and shallower barrels, does that make a difference? Same thing goes for the size of the front-threading, I've seen different sized front-threading for the same rating/ratio as well. Also, I've seen some pictures of the macro lens that goes on the rear and they often have very large rings seperating the lens from the threading, making the lens substantially smaller. It seems that would cause vignetting problems as well.

Also, what should I expect to pay for a cheap but decent wide angle lens? I pretty much see them run from $20 to $200, and I'm really not looking to spend more than $50 (but a lens that produces an unusable image is better left un-bought.)

Anyway, any info I can get would be great. Thanks

PS. I would like to get a wide-angle that gives me a good ratio (I imagine .5x) but I really need to avoid a fisheye effect.

Hey Chris,

I dont know much about fisheye lenses, I just got a Raynox mx-3000pro but it hasnt come yet so I cant tell you anything about it. As for a wide angle lense from what I hear you dont want to go below a 0.7x because then you start to get distortion (fisheye effect). I got the Canon brand wide angle lense and lense hood from H&B I figure I couldnt go wrong. Hope that might help you out a little.

Oh and $50 for a fisheye I'm sure you'll get what you pay for, I might recommend saving a bit more and be willing to lay down a little more cash for a fisheye.

With lenses you generally to get what you pay for. Good optics are not cheap.

For a wide angle you need a mount that matches the filter diameter - 58mm with the GL1/2. Any thing smaller is likely to vignette. So if vignetting is an issue for you do not even think about using step-up rings and a smaller wide angle adapter/converter.

The Canon 0.7x has a good reputation. I have a Century 0.65x that I like.

You can also get into the question of zoom-thorugh range - does the adapter allow focus for the zoom range, or is it only usable for part of the range. Othe points include is it multicoated, is it a single element or multi-element.

The first step is to decide how wide you need and what you budget is, then start to look for an adapter that meets you needs. Visit the Century Optics site to see on line demo of their afdapters.

All I can say, is avoid the cheapy lenses. I bought a tele for my GL, and paid maybe $30 for it. It is so bad, I won't use it for anything but a paper weight. If you need a wide angle, pony up and get the WD 58. It is often sold used for around $100, but is designed for our cam.

Canon WD58H ( H=hood ) ! PERIOD! - G

I agree- I bought my WD without a hood, and would really love to get my hands on one.

I am very happy with my Canon wide angle. (WD58H)

Hey Chris,

I dont know much about fisheye lenses, I just got a Raynox mx-3000pro but it hasnt come yet so I cant tell you anything about it. As for a wide angle lense from what I hear you dont want to go below a 0.7x because then you start to get distortion (fisheye effect). I got the Canon brand wide angle lense and lense hood from H&B I figure I couldnt go wrong. Hope that might help you out a little.

Oh and $50 for a fisheye I'm sure you'll get what you pay for, I might recommend saving a bit more and be willing to lay down a little more cash for a fisheye.

You misunderstood me, I DO NOT want a fisheye. :P

You misunderstood me, I DO NOT want a fisheye. :P


Sorry Ignoor that first and last sentence ;)

Canon WD58H ( H=hood ) ! PERIOD! - G

I find the hood makes a lot of difference.
Sandy

I bought a cheapy .45 wide angle as well. It is a piece of garbage. So I ended up getting the WD58H, it is a great piece of optics for the price. Nice weight to it and a crystal clear picture.

Chris

<edit> Just as a side note. The only complaint I have with the WD58H is that there are no internal threads (or external threads) to add filters to at the business end of the lense. It would be nice to add a UV filter if for nothing else other than to protect the lense from scratches and grime.

I use Canon WD58H's on my GL2's and don't have any complaints really. Good image, even when zoomed in. Like the previous poster mentioned you can't attach any threaded filters to the outside of this lens. I also can't imagine using it without the hood, especially outdoors.

I know A LOT of people who use this lens and love it.

I've been searching for a wide angle len's for my GL2. I've found them from $70- $700. I don't need a fish eye pro len's. I just want one thats decent for indoor filming. Will there be a hude increase in quality let's say from a $100 one compared to the one Canon sell's for $250? E-bay has a ton ton of them. Like I said they have a huge price range. Some say HD blah blah blah but are they still 1/2 way good at that price?

the wd-58 is great for what your looking for. I always had mine on my gl1