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Noa Put December 8th, 2014, 11:58 AM I only shot a limited amount with the gopro 4 black but have not noticed any moire in my clips? About bitrate, it's not that low, my sony ax100 also "only" has a 50mbs 4K codec and that works out fine, considering that the camera fit's in the palm of your hand I find it amazing they manage to get that bitrate and 4k out of it.
For setting the camera and to have a monitor I use my smartphone, works great although sometimes it's losing connection for a short while during record and I can concur batterylife is poor, you definitely need a few.
Leon Kolenda December 8th, 2014, 02:37 PM I use a utility program called Media Info, you drag and drop a video or audio file on it's shortcut and it opens and reads all the detail on that file. I just looked at the clip I shot yesterday and it says it's Overall bit rate is 60.1, and the audio is 128 kb, 48KHz, 2-channels, AAC (LC). I stand corrected, I thought the understanding was that 100 MBPS was low for 4K? I will see when I shoot a serious test clip, and do some grading, denoise if needed and sharpening if needed. Then I'll see how it holds up. I'm not down on this camera, just giving my Initial findings, I expect this 4K black GoPro to have limitations, due to it's size.
Like I said I will shoot some more and post and verify the different bit rates. I also noticed what looks like color noise, on the hood of the car I shot while I was moving.
Mark Rosenzweig December 8th, 2014, 06:19 PM I have shot lots of 4K video with the 4 Black and see little moire. Some players and viewers will display artifacts due to scaling. Do you see the moire playing the 4K video clips on a 4K screen?
Leon Kolenda December 8th, 2014, 10:19 PM I don't have a 4 K screen, just my 24" Dell monitor using VLC Media Player, But that might be a good point about scaling. However, the moire that I'm seeing seems to be with edges and patterns, like house siding, and shingles, brickwork. Since you have been shooting a lot of 4k Gopro video, could you share your settings of your go pro? Also, what they are for Protune, and the advanced settings? Do you remove fish-eye?
Mark Rosenzweig December 9th, 2014, 01:26 PM I don't have a 4 K screen, just my 24" Dell monitor using VLC Media Player, But that might be a good point about scaling. However, the moire that I'm seeing seems to be with edges and patterns, like house siding, and shingles, brickwork. Since you have been shooting a lot of 4k Gopro video, could you share your settings of your go pro? Also, what they are for Protune, and the advanced settings? Do you remove fish-eye?
There are really not a lot of settings on the GoPro (unfortunately). I have shot 4K30P, Protune on, Protune Color, sharpness 'High.' I have also shot Protune Flat. sharpness 'Medium', with WB set for 'RAW.', then color grading and white balancing in GoPro Studio. Aiming for a 'realistic' look, and comparing, I did not see much of a difference between what I could do from Flat by color grading, ooc Protune Color and the scenes I shot. Protune color is actually pretty good. I will occasionally set WB rather than use auto WB.
I have not tried correcting fish-eye. I also found that Superview is pretty good in 4K, really giving a wider perspective without much distortion (since the camera automatically deals with it).
Leon Kolenda December 9th, 2014, 01:38 PM Hey, Thanks Mark! I'll give those settings a try. Waiting for some better weather here to shoot.
Due to the limitation of not being able to set a shutter speed, do you get a stuttery motion with moving subjects? I tried 24fps,(Not sure what the GoPro selects SS wise) I will try 30fps to see if there is much of a difference. Again thanks.
Mark Rosenzweig December 9th, 2014, 02:42 PM Hey, Thanks Mark! I'll give those settings a try. Waiting for some better weather here to shoot.
Due to the limitation of not being able to set a shutter speed, do you get a stuttery motion with moving subjects? I tried 24fps,(Not sure what the GoPro selects SS wise) I will try 30fps to see if there is much of a difference. Again thanks.
Those too high shutter speeds in bright light are an issue. The aperture is always f2.8, so all exposure control is by shutter speed. This means very high shutter speeds in bright light.
And the solution, to reduce shutter speeds, is - an ND filter. This one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JDYPWMU/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00JDYPWMU&linkCode=as2&tag=alasvideshoo-20&linkId=CYIBG6QDGCEVWPE5
works fine. You need to use the 'Frame', but I recommend that for normal weather (when the bright sun makes the shutter speeds too high anyway). With the Frame, you get better in-camera audio (ports not blocked) and can attach an external mic. There is absolutely no need for the waterproof housing if there is no water. I wish it did not come with the GoPro, although I have used the waterproof case in the rain (and in those conditions, with less light, shutter speed is not much of an issue).
Simon Denny December 9th, 2014, 06:51 PM This is my second test with the FunnyGo and a GoPro 3+
We are touring (The Allniters) with UB40 and I thought I would do a walk around during soundcheck and see how I go with this device.
I had the GoPro set on 1080p wide and the FunnyGo set on its default setting.
There has been no stabilisation done at all in the edit, this is straight from the camera.
http://youtu.be/IxiGLUAT3-g
Mike Wade December 10th, 2014, 05:39 PM Looks good Simon, thanks for posting. I can't seem to find Pilot Fly or Funny Go on Google. Could you post their web site please.
Leon Kolenda December 10th, 2014, 10:01 PM Those too high shutter speeds in bright light are an issue. The aperture is always f2.8, so all exposure control is by shutter speed. This means very high shutter speeds in bright light.
And the solution, to reduce shutter speeds, is - an ND filter. This one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JDYPWMU/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00JDYPWMU&linkCode=as2&tag=alasvideshoo-20&linkId=CYIBG6QDGCEVWPE5
works fine. You need to use the 'Frame', but I recommend that for normal weather (when the bright sun makes the shutter speeds too high anyway). With the Frame, you get better in-camera audio (ports not blocked) and can attach an external mic. There is absolutely no need for the waterproof housing if there is no water. I wish it did not come with the GoPro, although I have used the waterproof case in the rain (and in those conditions, with less light, shutter speed is not much of an issue).
I already had that exact ND Filter on order should be here tomorrow. Not sure what you mean by the frame?
Leon Kolenda December 10th, 2014, 10:05 PM This is my second test with the FunnyGo and a GoPro 3+
We are touring (The Allniters) with UB40 and I thought I would do a walk around during soundcheck and see how I go with this device.
I had the GoPro set on 1080p wide and the FunnyGo set on its default setting.
There has been no stabilisation done at all in the edit, this is straight from the camera.
http://youtu.be/IxiGLUAT3-g
I'm liking that Simon! You can see a little up and down movement on some shots, but pretty darn nice considering the price. Thanks for posting. My Z-One Pro Gimbal should be here this Tuesday.
Leon Kolenda January 4th, 2015, 01:37 AM Well I have to say, this Z-One Pro gimbal is pretty darn slick! It works very well, as long as you work it with in the parameters that it was designed for. It has 2-buttons for Pitch, Pan and Roll, and they work very smoothly, not abruptly. There are two modes also, One being a Full Follow mode of average speed, and a Locked Pitch, Pan and Roll mode. I also liked that it was very easy to adjust the Pitch and Roll to your levels by pressing the mode button 2 times quickly, It puts it into a Pitch and Roll mode then when you adjust them to your level, you just switch modes to your desired mode.
Also, you can do some nice camera moves using your wrist in some creative ways, but you have to be careful you don't over do your wrists. The Z-One only uses 2 batteries, which I like, where some of the other competitors are using 3, with no gain in time that I can see, and they last pretty long at least a few hours. I ordered a second set of batteries for longer needs and back up.. For $299.00 US, this is a keeper gimbal for my Hero 4. The company I purchased from was a Chinese vendor, they handled my order well, it came DHL free shipping, They also responded to my emails quickly.
You will get some Up and Down movement a little, but that will very according to your ability to walk with the gimbal, in a motionless, vertical gate as possible. None of these 3 axis gimbals, big or small are designed for vertical Up and Down Movement. Plus you can always stabilize in post if you desire. I'm glad I did my research on these dedicated Go Pro gimbals. I'm going to experiment with attaching this gimbal to my MoGo Pod, just waiting for some clamps to come in. Now I have only had it for a week, So we will see how it performs with a little more of an endurance test. I'm not afraid to eat crow if the Z-One crashes or has stability issues. Love not having to balance the Go Pro. Also, I might add, that this gimbal handled the Go Pro Hero 4 with the LCD Pac and a popular ND Filter attached, with No issues.
It is a little hard to get to the menu settings button on the side of the Go Pro, the mounting bracket is a little too close, but with effort you can press it. Can you believe the Go Pro Hero 4 does not come with a Lens Cap! I had to order one on line from a Chinese vendor. If you get one order the lens cap right away, as this lens is a bit of a fish-eye, and you have to be careful not to scratch it.
Simon Denny January 4th, 2015, 02:21 AM Yeah, I think I had the FunnyGo on the wrong setting and this was producing more of my walk in the footage.
I reckon down the track we will see 4xAxis gimbals coming up and this will be fantastic.
Leon Kolenda January 4th, 2015, 01:40 PM Well. I agree, 4-Axis gimbals will be very cool. Hope they wait a while LOL, I just got a new AllSteady 5 Pro 3-Axis for my other camera.
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