I was just wondering how lumiere hd actually converts the hd100 signal, does it have its own codec for 720/24p? im talking about the lumiere 2.0hd version and does anybody have this set up? a gy-hd100 and lumiere 2.0 with fcp 4.5 or 5. please get back to me, because i am about invest in both very soon and would like abit of assistance. also with the pulldown? should i have that off?

v2.0 hasn't been released yet. Go to www.lumiereHD.com and click on support and then go into forums to keep up on its status.

"lumière HD 2.0 is priced at $179.00 and will be available in July 2005, or will be a free upgrade for current owners of Lumière HD."

its been released, isnt there a guy from lumiere that regularly visits this site? any feed back from him?

That press release is old. It hasn't been released. Frederic told me last week that there is no firm ETA on the final release, but they will be releasing a beta soon. I'm not sure if it will be private of public beta. You'll have to keep an eye on the LumiereHD forums on their website.

That press release is old. It hasn't been released. Frederic told me last week that there is no firm ETA on the final release, but they will be releasing a beta soon. I'm not sure if it will be private of public beta. You'll have to keep an eye on the LumiereHD forums on their website.

Anyone know of any updates on FCP5 for HD100U 24p?

its good to know that the whole community is on this site, from the developers to the people who give feedback to r&d to the end user.
thanks for the time, i hope frederick can give us some lo down to when the whole beta thing will come in.

We are days away from a beta release which will support the 24p and the 25p of the HD100.

It's a tricky format but we're getting there.

Frederic

We are days away from a beta release which will support the 24p and the 25p of the HD100.

It's a tricky format but we're getting there.

Frederic

That is REALLY great news =)

Frederic would the beta be for only the people that have bought the previous software or is it an open beta?

The new beta with HD100 support has been released. v1.6b2

It also supports the BR-HD50 deck.

http://www.lumierehd.com/

The new beta with HD100 support has been released. v1.6b2

It also supports the BR-HD50 deck.

http://www.lumierehd.com/

YEAAAAAH!!!

I don't know how I did it, but I actually captured my 24p footage and began to edit in FCP5....!!!!! Hurrah! Watch out folks... =)

Tim,

What I don't get is how you transfer ytour final cut to DVD or HDV tape after you finish and keep the quality HDV. It seems like the footage is being transferred compressed, thus losing the high end quality.

Duke

Tim,

What I don't get is how you transfer ytour final cut to DVD or HDV tape after you finish and keep the quality HDV. It seems like the footage is being transferred compressed, thus losing the high end quality.

Duke

You would have to make a HD-DVD or blueRay to maintain the quality on a DVD format (or Windows Media 9.) Of course, the burners or players are not on the market yet, but DVD Studio Pro 4 will author an HD format DVD for you!

As for output back to HDV tape, if you didn't do any "processing" to the image (colour correction, effects, etc.,) then in theory you should be able to output back to tape without recompression artifacts. However, that seems impractical and improbable, so there isn't really any good way around it, except to work in a lossless codec, and then downconvert back to HDV.

Personally, I would consider HDV and aquisition format only... immediately convert it to an intermediate codec to work with, and then never go back.
For archiving, just use DVD-ROM and export a "Quicktime Movie," using current settings, and make it self-contained. DO NOT recompress frames.

Any idea when support for re-compression and going back to the camera or HDV deck with the 24p HDV will be supported?

Also, I understand from JVC that 24p is not supported natively by DVHS devices, only 30p, so will we have to convert 24p to 30p to make it possible to back it up, or play it on DVHS machines? It seems weird that JVC would make an HDV camera that is incompatible with it's own devices, after all, wasn't the original idea that HDV is a consumer HD video format that would be used to play your home videos on consumer playback devices?

Thanks,

Paul

Any idea when support for re-compression and going back to the camera or HDV deck with the 24p HDV will be supported?

Also, I understand from JVC that 24p is not supported natively by DVHS devices, only 30p, so will we have to convert 24p to 30p to make it possible to back it up, or play it on DVHS machines? It seems weird that JVC would make an HDV camera that is incompatible with it's own devices, after all, wasn't the original idea that HDV is a consumer HD video format that would be used to play your home videos on consumer playback devices?

Thanks,

Paul

Paul,

We should be able to offer 'back to HDV' in native 24p in no time.

Frederic

Thanks Frederic, that's good to know.
Any idea if I'm correct on the DVHS question? I would LOVE to be able to use Lumiere to move my DVCPRO HD stuff to DVHS, but you first have to add pull-down in After-Effects right now, FCP's pull-down just doesn't cut it.

Thanks Frederic, that's good to know.
Any idea if I'm correct on the DVHS question? I would LOVE to be able to use Lumiere to move my DVCPRO HD stuff to DVHS, but you first have to add pull-down in After-Effects right now, FCP's pull-down just doesn't cut it.

I assume you shot your Varicam footage in 24p (prob a good assumption) and you'd like to archive it to DVHS in 60i...

Doesn't Panasonic have a FCP plugin to play with framerate? You should try that and convert the DVCPRO HD first to 60p then generate a QT 1440 X 1080 and use Lumiere HD to make a DVHS friendly 1080i.

I think...

Frederic

Personally, I would consider HDV and aquisition format only... immediately convert it to an intermediate codec to work with, and then never go back.
For archiving, just use DVD-ROM and export a "Quicktime Movie," using current settings, and make it self-contained. DO NOT recompress frames.

I'm on the wagon that says, do not convert unless you have to. Keep it HDV in edit and the publish back out to tape. If you have to convert it to intercut somwhere else then OK, otherwise keep it native if possible.

I realize there are many ways to skin the cat though....

I'm on the wagon that says, do not convert unless you have to. Keep it HDV in edit and the publish back out to tape. If you have to convert it to intercut somwhere else then OK, otherwise keep it native if possible.

I realize there are many ways to skin the cat though....

I'm not sure I agree. I don't have the camera yet, but in playing with the posted m2t files in Final Cut, neither the 25 mbs or the 19mbs hdv codecs handle color correction and other post processing very well.

while I'm no expert, instinctually the idea of editing on a GOP codec seems very very wrong as various changes you implement might show up on a deltaframe versus a keyframe and some blackbox implementaion is going to make everything right again.

I'm quite willing to be educated and corrected. I understand that the idea of generation loss is to be avoided but my reluctance to edit in a gop codec seems to be emotionally stronger.

-ed

.....playing with the posted m2t files in Final Cut, neither the 25 mbs or the 19mbs hdv codecs handle color correction and other post processing very well.

I'm on a different toolset (Liquid 6.1) which is designed specifically for HDV workflow. There is another thread or two here where I've done extensive color corrections on HDV and provided example's. Anyway, as I wrote, there are other ways. To me native (if you have the toolset in place) is the way to go.

The best solution for editing HDV native (not 24p & 25p) is FCP 5.0

Read the article on HDV in Film & Video magazine Oct issue.

Paul Saccone (Product Manager for Final Cut Studio) says: "If you take an HDV stream, whether you're doing color-correction or a 16-layer composite, we decompress all that video into a 4:4:4 color space, do our composites, and then do one single re-encode back down to HDV format. So you're only, ever, incurring one generation of re-encoding."

...whether you're doing color-correction or a 16-layer composite, we decompress all that video into a 4:4:4 color space
As does Liquid 6, which works in uncompressed RGB, 2VUY or MPEG2 I frame for edits to the GOP and effects (your choice). B.T.W. now the same for Avid XpressPro.